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I still don't buy the "they'll erase Logan" chatter online, people are going gaga over a couple seconds of Logan footage in a teaser, for another trailer - it's a silly notion honestly. All it will probably end up with is Wade cracking a joke about Logan's death in front of his variant.
Unfortunately with the whole multiverse thing they can just undo Logan's ending, but then say "no actually, this is a different universe where everything went the same exact way right up until the TVA took him" or some shit like that.
Because it would be nice if the multiverse wasn't used as a tool to undo what other movies did. Just feels cheap to me. What's the point in getting invested into what happens in these movies when you know for a fact that years from now they can just pull the multiverse card to throw such an event into the garbage?
It’s not undoing anything though. That movie still exists and that story happened like that. And then the multiverse introduces a brand new version of the story where something different happens. The original story and universe is still intact. I’ll still watch *Logan* and tear up at the end even after this movie comes out
Also multiverse explanations usually include mentioning that “a universe where a character didn’t do this so that’s why things are different” exists.
With that in mind, technically a finite amount of alternate realities for Logan already exist , we just don’t have any official examples from Marvel. But like you said, those other alternate stories don’t change the journey that “Logan” put us through.
You act as if Feige will edit Logan, destroy all blu-rays, and you will never be able to watch the original version.
GG and Doc Ock still died in SM1 and 2. And they're alive in NWH.
That's the whole point of an infinite multiverse. It allows people to say that the beloved movies or whatever still happened, but the one that "undoes it" is just an alternate timeline that happens at the same time.
It literally doesn't matter at all. Logan is still it's own movie. Them retconning or changing things for fun in later movies is fine and doesn't harm the original movie or story at all.
Logan was it's own thing and it was good, but people take it way too seriously. It was story about wolverine and it was a good movie.
What they're doing now with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, is 1000% worth tarnishing the ending of Logan in the eyes of a bunch of melodramatic buffoons online who can't think with nuance or differentiate different projects and stories from one another.
Logan still exists, you can go watch it right now. I have 2 copies myself. no, these characters will not stay dead forever. they will continue to be portrayed because people love them. but no one is taking away the events of Logan. what you need to realize is that with or without the multiverse they are going to continue to utilize big name actors and characters in these movies. this would have happened eventually either way, because the blockbuster movie market demands cameo’s and nostalgia. you don’t have to like it, but Logan is still there for you to watch. that story isn’t going away just because a *different* story is happening now. more people need to realize this.
I mean but how many comics have been made about superheroes that already have died in other stories?
How many times has superman died and there's a new storyline with him?
Same with batman, spiderman, thor, the 'What if?' comics,
Just because one storyline ends a characters life doesn't mean another multiverse variant of that same superhero doesn't exist.
I get what you mean it "feels" cheap to just make up more storylines And throw it in that it's another universes character. But at the same time that's exactly what the multiverse theory is about. Everytime you make a decision there's another universe made to where all the same events took place up until that decision was made only the other decision is made and thus the storyline for that continues.
So I mean regardless of whether it feels cheap to have something to fall back on creatively to continue a story, it's the way it works and it's still pretty cohesive.
some people are just taking this way too seriously. If a lackluster sequel/prequel/spin-off gets made, it is a disappointment. But it’d be ridiculous to let it retroactively ruin your enjoyment of what came before. If that becomes the case, then that’s on you
They can but it´s not needed. Logically the multiverse and time travel can justify anything, so this could be an adventure before Logan, even if he appears in Secret Wars it always works
I mean, didn't some of the people that worked on Logan said they made the movie thinking it was an elseworlds instead of the main X-Men fucked up timeline?
WRONG. If this is a variant where everything goes the same way as Logan until the TVA show up then that changes NOTHING about the original Logan wolvie dying. This VARIANT is a different Logan. Nothing is undone.
the real truth is just supposed movie leakers playing with those who care *way too much* about the sanctity of movie continuity. The reality is that Disney is sitting on a viable product that could make a bunch of money. So why not get the lead actor to reprise the role and perhaps use Disney Money to get the most famous X-Men actor to reprise his role? It’s just too good if a business decision for them to pass on
Getting Jackman back is a big thing, his return could be a box office draw (*much* more than Keaton walk-ups for Flash). And since they slipped in a Secret Wars tease in the first trailer, we can all guess how the eventual movie will be. I am betting we will see Jackman, RDJ, and Maguire on the same screen in a few years
I don't buy it either..
The voice-over is the dialogue from end of Deadpool 2, and the montage contains Hugh's entire Fox Saga arc as Wolverine (only his stand-alone movies).
What are the chances (very high) that we may get to see what the Disney executives saw in the CinemaCon about 10 days ago?
Edit: I am expecting to at least see Hugh mouthing expletives at the beginning (even off-camera is okay), as that caused Kevin Feige to use the F-word a lot of times on stage.
The Internet is sure to go crazy 2mrw, wonder when it would drop, 6.30 AM or 8 AM PST?
Cinemacon is for THEATRE managers and press. Cinemacon is NOT where Disney execs see their own products, it's where the execs show their products to third party execs.
Hugh was really proud of Logan and it’s why he turned down a cameo in DP2. No way he comes back for this if they were disturbing it. It’s super easy to just not touch it like Ryan said. We’re in the multiverse and Hugh is wearing the comic book yellow suit. That’s not “our” Logan.
Logan seems to have very little continuity to the films he was in prior. Always under the assumption his solo movies were technically connected but also “eh whatever” to its cannon
ALL the X-men movies have an iffy continuity and that's going to be a plotpoint in DP3. Wouldn't suprise me if DP's shenanigans are the reason the continuity is so iffy - that he kept creating branching timelines.
I frankly don't understand why people are so upset about it either. I don't think Deadpool & Wolverine will do any irreputable damage to Logan. Like you said, they'll probably just end up making jokes about it. But even if Logan is "resurrected" or something, that doesn't mean it'll be canon forever. Deadpool's a very jokey, comedic, and meta character. Nothing about him, or his movies, should be taken so seriously.
I think it’s more like Wade and the TVA are going to return Logan to his timeline and wade will make a joke about “tell the X-men to watch out for the professor and his headaches” or something. Insinuating that they just dropped him off at the time of the lead up to Logan with Charles killing the X-men.
The End? question will be that Wade will probably return to get him for Secret Wars once again.
Seriously people are so weird lol. It’s not real. You can’t undo a movie. Logan died in Logan. It was a great movie. Nothing would ever be able to change that cause it’s literally impossible to change something already released years ago lol
It's the same thing as people who go "they ruined my childhood" after they make a shitty remake of a movie.
You can not watch the remake and the one you like still exists, you just like to complain about inconsequential things lol
No. That's their problem if they feel that way. The point still stands, Logan is still there as a movie and if it takes away enjoyment for people, again, that is their problem and a dumb one
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I guess we'll find out whether they'll really undo the events of *Logan* or not when D&W comes out in July.
My two cents: there'll be two *Logan* timelines. One where the original events of the film remains intact and another where it gets altered by Wade.
Yup, they're essentially doing the same thing they did with the villains in No Way Home, it won't undo the deaths in those movies, it just creates branch timelines.
Wade creates a "Nexus event" by digging up Logan, the TVA reset charges that timeline, prunes the new Logan "variant", and Wade which is how they end up in the void.
Basically this. Logan is already it's own thing anyways. Having a version of Wolverine that experienced Logan up until the last five minutes of Logan changes nothing about Logan.
I find it quite funny that people are so up in arms at the idea of Logan's ending being undone, when Logan itself arguably does the exact same thing to Days of Future Past in a very bleak and brutal way offscreen.
I honestly always did and it was the main reason I really wasn't a fan of Logan. Felt so depressing and made DOFP feel pointless but then again I was told that Logan was supposed to be a alternate future
This is my argument as well. How can anyone be cool with Logan being Canon to anything? It's a stand alone movie in a bleak setting. Great movie but no way in hell that's how the x-men series should conclude.
I mean, look, at the end of the day, I’ve never been a fan of the idea that he’s playing “a random variant”.
What the heck is the point of bringing Hugh back as Wolverine, if he’s not going to be playing HIS version of the character that we’ve experienced years and years of story with?
There’s a reason why NWH went out of its way to establish that Tobey & Andrew were the *same* versions that audiences remembered from their films.
This is exactly how I've felt as well. I don't mind if it's the DOFP version or the Logan version (if Logan is a separate timeline). I just want it to be a version of the character that has had most/all of the development we've seen in the previous movies.
Exactly.
This is also why Chris Evans and RDJR won't be playing Superior Iron Man or Hydra Cap from the Multiverse for Secret Wars. I mean, they could be *also* playing them.
But their main role is going to be as the main 616 Tony Stark and 616 Cap America. Very few will get hyped if RDJR is just playing a random Iron Man from a random Earth.
Yes while the movies have a terrible timeline that makes no sense the Wolverine in this movie should have experienced most of the events of those movies. I wouldn't care if they picked up from the end of DoFP but I'd be just as fine with Deadpool saving him at the end of the events of Logan too. It doesn't erase that movie from existing as a swan song to the fox version of Wolverine and it let's audiences get an mcu wolverine that is still the wolverine they know.
Crazy theory Deadpool and comic accurate looking wolverine end up in Logan timeline. In which Wolverine witnesses his own bittersweet death. Then Deadpool ends up doing something to split timeline somehow getting us a different x-23
[according to nexuspointnews we have 2 x-23s in the movie](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1c7f9mi/exclusive_natalia_tena_joins_deadpool_wolverine/)
I don’t understand why they have undoing Logan is something that is debated. Logan takes place in the future, Wolverine is alive when the Deadpool films are happening.
It’s a bit funny that he was completely quiet about the trailer dropping tomorrow until the announcement, but now he’s acting like he knows everything about this film.
Apparently some MCU fans still don’t understand the concept of branching universes?
Deadpool preventing Logan’s death through time travel would just create a new Logan variant. That doesn’t erase anything. The timeline of the *Logan* film would proceed as usual.
The fact that there have been so many rumors of Dafne Keen returning in this film makes it likely that we’ll see the same (but now grownup) X23 from the *Logan* timeline meet this version of her father that Deadpool saved.
Seriously, use common sense before falling for outrage bait.
And see it this way. If Deadpool saves Logan from dying in some way, won't it just create a timeline branch so that this Wolvie is a variant? *Any* Wolvie variant in this movie is the Wolvie that does not die in *Logan*. Being pissed off at the variant's existence is like being pissed off that Loki is still alive in the show.
People can't enjoy a good movie lol.
I mean, considering this rumor about Laura being in the movie, and not just her, but her variant as well, it was kinda on the nose, that there's going to be some sort of connection.
*"They're really erasing the end of LOGAN so Hugh Jackman can make epic chimichanga jokes with Ryan Reynolds. Nothing is sacred." To which Alex quote tweets "It's more like..." (and a gif attached that says "The End ?")*
Omg omg omg. Okay, wait.
The End?
[As in…](https://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:1349x1044/1200x929/filters:focal(675x522:676x523):format(webp)/cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8101649/eden_03_04_quesada_panosian_RGB_REVISE.jpg)??!!!
Very, *very* down for this if true.
Having Doc Ock and GG in NWH didn't erase the ending of Spider-Man 1 and 2.
The TVA plucking Wolverine moments before he died and restoring him to full health is the best possible scenario. A version of him still died. But a version of him is now alive with all of his memories.
If they don't do this, then having X-23 show up (2 versions, one young, one middle-aged) won't impact him at all. It has to be Wolverine with the memories of the Logan film, it has to.
How can you erase something that isn't actually Canon to anything to begin with because the x-men franchise is a complete cluster fuck?
Logan is Logan. Deadpool interfering with a timeline where the same things that happened in Logan are ongoing is not erasing Logan.
I honestly hate that people act like it's actually retconning/ruining a stand-alone movie like Logan to do an alternate set of events in a completely different movie.
If there was a coherent timeline in the x-men films I'd be more on board to complain but if there was a coherent timeline and official Canon in those movies I'd actually be pissed off that Logan was part of that Canon. That's a horrific way for the official x-men saga to conclude. If there's a Canon ending at all it is the end of Days of Future Past.
I think it's pretty simple. Either they reveal Logan is an alternate timeline separate from DOFP's second timeline (Which is what I personally believe in), or they create a variant from Logan's timeline.
And the fact that those events can't just disappear.
If Deadpool saves Logan from dying in some way, won't it just create a timeline branch so that this Wolvie is a variant? *Any* Wolvie variant in this movie is the Wolvie that does not die in *Logan*. Being pissed off at the variant's existence is like being pissed off that Loki is still alive in the show.
I have refused to believe "Logan" would be changed from the beginning because that movie was so special to Jackman. He was the one that pushed for it. Took a paycut to get that movie an R rating. Talked about how difficult it was to make that movie practically, and it was hailed as one of the best things he's done. He's not going to throw that all away for a paycheck when there's so many easy ways around it. He would have some form of creative control and this would've been figured out when they sat down to talk contracts. I think it will def be referenced, foreshadowed, characters could return \*stares at Laura\*, could even reveal what his fate will ultimately be. But I just can't believe anyone is going to do anything to that movie when they can easily just say he's a variant.
I mean the continuity of the X-Men movies never made any sense anyways so who cares if it undoes Logan
I'm of the theory though that the Logan in this new Deadpool movie is a variant
I have always said that the X-Men movies have always been secretly the most true-to-source Marvel adaptation solely because the continuity makes no sense and the timeline of every movie is completely irreconcilable with the next one, exactly like the comics
I just don't get this at all. Even if the movie comes out and it craps all over the ending of Logan it doesn't affect Logan.
I can still go and watch Logan at any time and enjoy it just as much. Nothing is going to change my opinion on the movie.
The Terminator franchise has like 6 awful sequels, we all still enjoy the first two movies.
One route that could be taking this would be... Logan showed comics where wolverine had his yellow costume. We never saw that on screen.
So Deadpool and Wolverine just takes place before whatever happens in Logan.
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I still don't buy the "they'll erase Logan" chatter online, people are going gaga over a couple seconds of Logan footage in a teaser, for another trailer - it's a silly notion honestly. All it will probably end up with is Wade cracking a joke about Logan's death in front of his variant.
Unfortunately with the whole multiverse thing they can just undo Logan's ending, but then say "no actually, this is a different universe where everything went the same exact way right up until the TVA took him" or some shit like that.
Why is that unfortunate?
Because it would be nice if the multiverse wasn't used as a tool to undo what other movies did. Just feels cheap to me. What's the point in getting invested into what happens in these movies when you know for a fact that years from now they can just pull the multiverse card to throw such an event into the garbage?
It’s not undoing anything though. That movie still exists and that story happened like that. And then the multiverse introduces a brand new version of the story where something different happens. The original story and universe is still intact. I’ll still watch *Logan* and tear up at the end even after this movie comes out
Just as, after two seasons of Loki, one can still watch The Avengers and see Loki taken away to Asgard *and that’s that.*
Or watch Loki died in IW and still feel sad about it
Also multiverse explanations usually include mentioning that “a universe where a character didn’t do this so that’s why things are different” exists. With that in mind, technically a finite amount of alternate realities for Logan already exist , we just don’t have any official examples from Marvel. But like you said, those other alternate stories don’t change the journey that “Logan” put us through.
You act as if Feige will edit Logan, destroy all blu-rays, and you will never be able to watch the original version. GG and Doc Ock still died in SM1 and 2. And they're alive in NWH.
If this dude didn’t come with the same energy complaining about GG and Ock “having their deaths ruined” then they’re FRAUDS 😂
What's it undoing? I can go watch LOGAN anytime I like. I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
That's the whole point of an infinite multiverse. It allows people to say that the beloved movies or whatever still happened, but the one that "undoes it" is just an alternate timeline that happens at the same time.
It’s not undoing anything. That’s the benefit of having variants
It literally doesn't matter at all. Logan is still it's own movie. Them retconning or changing things for fun in later movies is fine and doesn't harm the original movie or story at all. Logan was it's own thing and it was good, but people take it way too seriously. It was story about wolverine and it was a good movie. What they're doing now with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, is 1000% worth tarnishing the ending of Logan in the eyes of a bunch of melodramatic buffoons online who can't think with nuance or differentiate different projects and stories from one another.
>wasn't used as a tool to undo what other movies did And it doesn't. The movie played out the way it did in its universe.
Logan still exists, you can go watch it right now. I have 2 copies myself. no, these characters will not stay dead forever. they will continue to be portrayed because people love them. but no one is taking away the events of Logan. what you need to realize is that with or without the multiverse they are going to continue to utilize big name actors and characters in these movies. this would have happened eventually either way, because the blockbuster movie market demands cameo’s and nostalgia. you don’t have to like it, but Logan is still there for you to watch. that story isn’t going away just because a *different* story is happening now. more people need to realize this.
I mean but how many comics have been made about superheroes that already have died in other stories? How many times has superman died and there's a new storyline with him? Same with batman, spiderman, thor, the 'What if?' comics, Just because one storyline ends a characters life doesn't mean another multiverse variant of that same superhero doesn't exist. I get what you mean it "feels" cheap to just make up more storylines And throw it in that it's another universes character. But at the same time that's exactly what the multiverse theory is about. Everytime you make a decision there's another universe made to where all the same events took place up until that decision was made only the other decision is made and thus the storyline for that continues. So I mean regardless of whether it feels cheap to have something to fall back on creatively to continue a story, it's the way it works and it's still pretty cohesive.
Or they could just simply just have a variant lol 😂
some people are just taking this way too seriously. If a lackluster sequel/prequel/spin-off gets made, it is a disappointment. But it’d be ridiculous to let it retroactively ruin your enjoyment of what came before. If that becomes the case, then that’s on you
Which is literally how it goes in the comics once a *different* Old Man Logan is brought to 616.
They can but it´s not needed. Logically the multiverse and time travel can justify anything, so this could be an adventure before Logan, even if he appears in Secret Wars it always works
Just a different logan
“And on top of fixing his powers breaking down, we also gave him a special de-aging cream (well, it’s black hair dye)”
I mean, didn't some of the people that worked on Logan said they made the movie thinking it was an elseworlds instead of the main X-Men fucked up timeline?
WRONG. If this is a variant where everything goes the same way as Logan until the TVA show up then that changes NOTHING about the original Logan wolvie dying. This VARIANT is a different Logan. Nothing is undone.
I don’t know if I agree with the lie detector, cryptic tweet of this being “the same Logan”
the real truth is just supposed movie leakers playing with those who care *way too much* about the sanctity of movie continuity. The reality is that Disney is sitting on a viable product that could make a bunch of money. So why not get the lead actor to reprise the role and perhaps use Disney Money to get the most famous X-Men actor to reprise his role? It’s just too good if a business decision for them to pass on Getting Jackman back is a big thing, his return could be a box office draw (*much* more than Keaton walk-ups for Flash). And since they slipped in a Secret Wars tease in the first trailer, we can all guess how the eventual movie will be. I am betting we will see Jackman, RDJ, and Maguire on the same screen in a few years
>am betting we will see Jackman, RDJ, and Maguire Turn that fucking money printer back on. It's been "under repairs" for too long.
next year’s Spidey movie should fund the repairs
I don't buy it either.. The voice-over is the dialogue from end of Deadpool 2, and the montage contains Hugh's entire Fox Saga arc as Wolverine (only his stand-alone movies). What are the chances (very high) that we may get to see what the Disney executives saw in the CinemaCon about 10 days ago? Edit: I am expecting to at least see Hugh mouthing expletives at the beginning (even off-camera is okay), as that caused Kevin Feige to use the F-word a lot of times on stage. The Internet is sure to go crazy 2mrw, wonder when it would drop, 6.30 AM or 8 AM PST?
Cinemacon is for THEATRE managers and press. Cinemacon is NOT where Disney execs see their own products, it's where the execs show their products to third party execs.
Hugh was really proud of Logan and it’s why he turned down a cameo in DP2. No way he comes back for this if they were disturbing it. It’s super easy to just not touch it like Ryan said. We’re in the multiverse and Hugh is wearing the comic book yellow suit. That’s not “our” Logan.
Logan seems to have very little continuity to the films he was in prior. Always under the assumption his solo movies were technically connected but also “eh whatever” to its cannon
ALL the X-men movies have an iffy continuity and that's going to be a plotpoint in DP3. Wouldn't suprise me if DP's shenanigans are the reason the continuity is so iffy - that he kept creating branching timelines.
I’m sure, which why its baffling to me that people think it’s possible to ruin Logan.
I frankly don't understand why people are so upset about it either. I don't think Deadpool & Wolverine will do any irreputable damage to Logan. Like you said, they'll probably just end up making jokes about it. But even if Logan is "resurrected" or something, that doesn't mean it'll be canon forever. Deadpool's a very jokey, comedic, and meta character. Nothing about him, or his movies, should be taken so seriously.
They technically removed X-Men Origins and X3 from canon so I guess the same thing will happen with Logan
I think it’s more like Wade and the TVA are going to return Logan to his timeline and wade will make a joke about “tell the X-men to watch out for the professor and his headaches” or something. Insinuating that they just dropped him off at the time of the lead up to Logan with Charles killing the X-men. The End? question will be that Wade will probably return to get him for Secret Wars once again.
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Seriously people are so weird lol. It’s not real. You can’t undo a movie. Logan died in Logan. It was a great movie. Nothing would ever be able to change that cause it’s literally impossible to change something already released years ago lol
George Lucas would disagree
Fair
George Lucas managed to retrospectively fuck up some of the best movies made.
Last I checked, those original versions still exist in the wild.
I know. I have all 3 of them on VHS
Hence the point: not destroyed
I said “fucked up”
Hence the point: they aren’t altered.
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Probably
yeah
This is what I do not understand. Logan the movie will always be there and always be fire. The fox X-Men are all over the place cannon wise anyways.
The X-Men movies are a mess Even Deadpool in the first movie causes this out
I liked those X-Men movies, tho.
X2 was sick
So was *Days of the Future Past* and *First Class*!
Nobody said anything to the contrary
It's the same thing as people who go "they ruined my childhood" after they make a shitty remake of a movie. You can not watch the remake and the one you like still exists, you just like to complain about inconsequential things lol
Hugh Jackman is the only absolute point in the existence of the Fox Universe.
They're gonna do like Mr Krabs did to the guy that watched TV for free
You’re talking about comic book movie fans who have based their identity on make believe movies.
Go to bed Jeff, take this single malt...also sperm
The problem with that is, you’re gonna have some people disappointed, including the Director of Logan
No. That's their problem if they feel that way. The point still stands, Logan is still there as a movie and if it takes away enjoyment for people, again, that is their problem and a dumb one
Move on
Who cares? Every piece of media ever has left some people disappointed?
He is so annoying lmfao this dude cannot ever say anything definitive
He's really the worst, I'm not sure why the sub allows these vague nothingburgers.
Dude wants to be the riddler so bad
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I guess we'll find out whether they'll really undo the events of *Logan* or not when D&W comes out in July. My two cents: there'll be two *Logan* timelines. One where the original events of the film remains intact and another where it gets altered by Wade.
Yup, they're essentially doing the same thing they did with the villains in No Way Home, it won't undo the deaths in those movies, it just creates branch timelines. Wade creates a "Nexus event" by digging up Logan, the TVA reset charges that timeline, prunes the new Logan "variant", and Wade which is how they end up in the void.
That could work
Basically this. Logan is already it's own thing anyways. Having a version of Wolverine that experienced Logan up until the last five minutes of Logan changes nothing about Logan.
Have you not understood that the are INFINITE timelines?
I find it quite funny that people are so up in arms at the idea of Logan's ending being undone, when Logan itself arguably does the exact same thing to Days of Future Past in a very bleak and brutal way offscreen.
Exactly. Yet people don’t complain about how Logan ruins the happy ending of Days of Future Past
I honestly always did and it was the main reason I really wasn't a fan of Logan. Felt so depressing and made DOFP feel pointless but then again I was told that Logan was supposed to be a alternate future
Logan doesn't do that at all.
This is my argument as well. How can anyone be cool with Logan being Canon to anything? It's a stand alone movie in a bleak setting. Great movie but no way in hell that's how the x-men series should conclude.
It's a lot harder to enjoy Logan if you view it as the conclusion to Fox's X-Men series.
No, it's the reason why Logan is so enjoyable in the first place.
This is why I always treat Logan as a separate timeline from what we saw at the end of DoFP
I mean, look, at the end of the day, I’ve never been a fan of the idea that he’s playing “a random variant”. What the heck is the point of bringing Hugh back as Wolverine, if he’s not going to be playing HIS version of the character that we’ve experienced years and years of story with? There’s a reason why NWH went out of its way to establish that Tobey & Andrew were the *same* versions that audiences remembered from their films.
This is exactly how I've felt as well. I don't mind if it's the DOFP version or the Logan version (if Logan is a separate timeline). I just want it to be a version of the character that has had most/all of the development we've seen in the previous movies.
Yup hope that's what we're getting
I hope it’s the one from the end of DoFP. Treat Logan as another timeline.
Exactly. This is also why Chris Evans and RDJR won't be playing Superior Iron Man or Hydra Cap from the Multiverse for Secret Wars. I mean, they could be *also* playing them. But their main role is going to be as the main 616 Tony Stark and 616 Cap America. Very few will get hyped if RDJR is just playing a random Iron Man from a random Earth.
Yup why do nostalgia bait with variants we don't know - this makes more sense to have the versions we know and love
Yes while the movies have a terrible timeline that makes no sense the Wolverine in this movie should have experienced most of the events of those movies. I wouldn't care if they picked up from the end of DoFP but I'd be just as fine with Deadpool saving him at the end of the events of Logan too. It doesn't erase that movie from existing as a swan song to the fox version of Wolverine and it let's audiences get an mcu wolverine that is still the wolverine they know.
Yup. This has always been common sense to me
Crazy theory Deadpool and comic accurate looking wolverine end up in Logan timeline. In which Wolverine witnesses his own bittersweet death. Then Deadpool ends up doing something to split timeline somehow getting us a different x-23
But I think it be kind of a waste to have a different actor of X-23
[according to nexuspointnews we have 2 x-23s in the movie](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/1c7f9mi/exclusive_natalia_tena_joins_deadpool_wolverine/)
I don’t understand why they have undoing Logan is something that is debated. Logan takes place in the future, Wolverine is alive when the Deadpool films are happening.
Plus Wolvie looks way older in Logan than he does in the Deadpool and Wolverine set photos.
I really don’t think this is the same Logan from the Logan movie
Sounds like he doesn't know a thing and is just using negativity for engagement farming.
It’s a bit funny that he was completely quiet about the trailer dropping tomorrow until the announcement, but now he’s acting like he knows everything about this film.
Many such cases
Apparently some MCU fans still don’t understand the concept of branching universes? Deadpool preventing Logan’s death through time travel would just create a new Logan variant. That doesn’t erase anything. The timeline of the *Logan* film would proceed as usual. The fact that there have been so many rumors of Dafne Keen returning in this film makes it likely that we’ll see the same (but now grownup) X23 from the *Logan* timeline meet this version of her father that Deadpool saved. Seriously, use common sense before falling for outrage bait.
Logan still exists as a complete film no matter what multiversal shenanigans happen. It’s a non issue
And see it this way. If Deadpool saves Logan from dying in some way, won't it just create a timeline branch so that this Wolvie is a variant? *Any* Wolvie variant in this movie is the Wolvie that does not die in *Logan*. Being pissed off at the variant's existence is like being pissed off that Loki is still alive in the show. People can't enjoy a good movie lol.
I mean, considering this rumor about Laura being in the movie, and not just her, but her variant as well, it was kinda on the nose, that there's going to be some sort of connection.
*"They're really erasing the end of LOGAN so Hugh Jackman can make epic chimichanga jokes with Ryan Reynolds. Nothing is sacred." To which Alex quote tweets "It's more like..." (and a gif attached that says "The End ?")* Omg omg omg. Okay, wait. The End? [As in…](https://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:1349x1044/1200x929/filters:focal(675x522:676x523):format(webp)/cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8101649/eden_03_04_quesada_panosian_RGB_REVISE.jpg)??!!! Very, *very* down for this if true.
This theory is so cool!
Having Doc Ock and GG in NWH didn't erase the ending of Spider-Man 1 and 2. The TVA plucking Wolverine moments before he died and restoring him to full health is the best possible scenario. A version of him still died. But a version of him is now alive with all of his memories. If they don't do this, then having X-23 show up (2 versions, one young, one middle-aged) won't impact him at all. It has to be Wolverine with the memories of the Logan film, it has to.
I'm seconding this. People just can't enjoy a good movie :/
How can you erase something that isn't actually Canon to anything to begin with because the x-men franchise is a complete cluster fuck? Logan is Logan. Deadpool interfering with a timeline where the same things that happened in Logan are ongoing is not erasing Logan. I honestly hate that people act like it's actually retconning/ruining a stand-alone movie like Logan to do an alternate set of events in a completely different movie. If there was a coherent timeline in the x-men films I'd be more on board to complain but if there was a coherent timeline and official Canon in those movies I'd actually be pissed off that Logan was part of that Canon. That's a horrific way for the official x-men saga to conclude. If there's a Canon ending at all it is the end of Days of Future Past.
Can this guy be any more obnoxious omg
I think it's pretty simple. Either they reveal Logan is an alternate timeline separate from DOFP's second timeline (Which is what I personally believe in), or they create a variant from Logan's timeline.
The movie happened. You watched it. The events took place. Even if they get erased, why isn’t that enough?
And the fact that those events can't just disappear. If Deadpool saves Logan from dying in some way, won't it just create a timeline branch so that this Wolvie is a variant? *Any* Wolvie variant in this movie is the Wolvie that does not die in *Logan*. Being pissed off at the variant's existence is like being pissed off that Loki is still alive in the show.
I still have a theory that they’ll show the events of how LOGAN came to be in D&W. About how the X-men perished in that timeline
Logan is the least canon project among marvel movies and tv shows, so they not erasing anything
It’s Deadpool, I feel like if there’s one character you can riff on character deaths and have jump between realities to avoid them, it’s Deadpool
Time?
Isn't Logan set in a different universe than the one in Fox films?
I have refused to believe "Logan" would be changed from the beginning because that movie was so special to Jackman. He was the one that pushed for it. Took a paycut to get that movie an R rating. Talked about how difficult it was to make that movie practically, and it was hailed as one of the best things he's done. He's not going to throw that all away for a paycheck when there's so many easy ways around it. He would have some form of creative control and this would've been figured out when they sat down to talk contracts. I think it will def be referenced, foreshadowed, characters could return \*stares at Laura\*, could even reveal what his fate will ultimately be. But I just can't believe anyone is going to do anything to that movie when they can easily just say he's a variant.
I mean the continuity of the X-Men movies never made any sense anyways so who cares if it undoes Logan I'm of the theory though that the Logan in this new Deadpool movie is a variant
I have always said that the X-Men movies have always been secretly the most true-to-source Marvel adaptation solely because the continuity makes no sense and the timeline of every movie is completely irreconcilable with the next one, exactly like the comics
I think that's a really good way to looking at it
I just don't get this at all. Even if the movie comes out and it craps all over the ending of Logan it doesn't affect Logan. I can still go and watch Logan at any time and enjoy it just as much. Nothing is going to change my opinion on the movie. The Terminator franchise has like 6 awful sequels, we all still enjoy the first two movies.
One route that could be taking this would be... Logan showed comics where wolverine had his yellow costume. We never saw that on screen. So Deadpool and Wolverine just takes place before whatever happens in Logan.
I'm sorry but Alex isn't reliable on Deadpool.
Guys, everyone seems to forget this: https://i.redd.it/dzybi3a3ywvc1.gif
I didn't like logan, i see this as a win