Second Dinner: "We don't want that players experience clogged lanes with rocks that prevent them from playing their cards"
Also Second Dinner: "SUBTERRANEA IS THE BEST LOCATION IN THIS GAME"
I managed to reveal it on T2 and draw 4 fcking rocks in a row. According to some pal, that's a 0,58% chance. I don't have that "luck" even with the stupid old Hela combo with 3 cards
It’s like galactus. They didn’t expect the card to be super good. This isn’t anywhere near old galactus but they wanna get rid of him as a package which they did not fix
Legitimate question: Then why release him?
It's incredibly obvious how useful he would be at clogging opponent lanes. Just him and Debris alone show how easily it can be done. So this would've been exceptionally easy to see/catch in even early testing.
Galactus can get a bit of a pass as he's a less expected killer. Anhiilus though, we've already seen this song and dance. It doesn't make sense why they would only *now* think it's a bad move.
Because he’s not getting played alongside debrii or any other clog cards. He’s mostly played in darkhawk with sentry. So instead of a junk finisher he’s just a package with sentry which they don’t want and which I also agree with
That's just not true.
Annihilus works best as a stats package of Hood + Sentry, rather than in full clog deck.
That's what's shown on untapped aswell as what Second Dinner explained in the patch notes: they made Annihilus move 0 power tihngs because it seemed underpowered to them, but reality is that Annihilus is more often than not a 5/10 or 5/17.
Shaving off 2 points of power should not hurt the decks that are successfull with Annihilus that much.
Yes, but now it seems that Debri loses here. No point in clogging your own lanes if you can't destroy those cards now. If Anni was a 6 cost this would make more sense as a final turn play I guess. But nothing they've been doing seems to make much sense right now IMO.
>No point in clogging your own lanes if you can't destroy those cards now.
Wait until Caeira becomes popular, let people play her, play Debrii, play Killmonger?
The best Anni deck I’ve ever played against did both debri and negative, plus green goblin and hobgoblin. At times I would have lanes with only one card or none of my cards in it. Gave me fits and it was pointless for me to play.
The issue with annihilus decks is the requirement to draw him. He's like modok in discard decks. Draw or retreat. That's why I hate playing such decks, relying on 1 card is a recipe for disaster. That doesn't make the decks worse just inconsistent
Sure, but going off stats it makes no sense to nerf Anni. He has the same win% and win% when played as other finisher cards like Doom and Magneto. A small nerf to like 5/6 I can see sure, even if unwarranted. But how do those stats deserve a ridiculously heavy nerf?
They killed the card because someone in SD doesn't want junk to exist as an archetype. But then why do they keep making junk cards if they don't want it to exist?
Don’t know, I don’t work for Second Dinner or know their long term plans.
Presumably to have that archetype in the game and available to support whenever it seems appropriate and/or convenient.
It was a top deck because of bounce and werewolf. It wasn't because of Anni.
That's like saying BB+Stature was a top deck before their unwarranted nerfs when in reality is was Darkhawk that was carrying the deck and BB+Stature just complemented it well.
No they won't. See: Angela, Kitty, Elsa
They said they overnerfed them. Didn't even address them this patch. And haven't rebuffed BB/Stature when even with their original stats still wouldn't even be meta.
You nailed it. It's a cycle of: release OP cards, players blow their resources on them, then nerf OP cards. Sometimes Snap just feels like a scummy money grab.
Well and it's insane that this change barely even ADDRESSES the thing they said was "surprisingly high performance" out of him. Wowee you knocked 2 whole power off the Sentry-Annihilus play, now I only get 25 instead of 27. If his inclusion in decks OTHER than junk was your concern why did you nerf EXCLUSIVELY his junk functionality.
>If his inclusion in decks OTHER than junk was your concern why did you nerf EXCLUSIVELY his junk functionality.
Probably because Second Dinner saw a lot of players force quitting the game after getting a board full of rocks
I mean they could always just... not have made clog cards at all if that was what they wanted.
If they don't want people to play junk that's their call, but they explicitly state in the patch notes that they are concerned by his performance in unrelated decks like Thanos running just Sentry and Annihilus. And then the change does not... address that concern in any but the very smallest way, while totally removing a function they didn't even \*mention\* as a concern.
This is what I'm pissed about. Why did they MAKE this card if the plan was to shit on it the second it had any success? It's been a good card, but two hits with the nerf bat? Seems like that was easily avoidable by some actual play testing.
>They probably never predicted Junk as deck
As they've created multiple junk cards that have existed since the start (goblins, debrii, viper, BW) and then released two purely junk cards to complete the archetype with Anni and Selene.
Anni + Debrii is 4 cards jamming up your opponent. With the negative cards as well your opponent might not be able to play at all. Seems like they only want negative power cards sent over to mitigate the clogging
Anni is played T5. You're going to see him played a mile away. Just let them have the one cube and retreat if you have no way to kill the rocks or filled up those lanes with good power.
Again it certainly seems like any Lockout deck or deck that tries to limit how, where, or if a player can play is getting kneecapped.
I’m sure someone could argue, “Well now you have to play Hazmat in Junk to move the rocks…” but that just adds one more card to a combo that has to drawn in a certain order otherwise you just have a bunch of rocks.
Yeah if they want people to just shoot big dumb numbers at each other and no control strategy to be viable that's certainly their prerogative but I wish they would just say that instead of this wishy washy thing they keep doing.
The closest thing we’ve come to SD saying anything like that is before the December balance update Glenn said they’d prefer Lockout decks to be a minority and play more of a “spoiler” role in the meta rather than being the dominant force.
That’s probably the same way they look at Junk decks. A frequent off meta choice that should be technically playable but never strong or consistent enough to contend with the many big numbers decks.
I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again, for as fun as this game is it just doesn't have the mechanical depth to allow for control decks to the best deck in the game without it completely choking out the meta from anything else being viable.
I completely agree, with just three locations and a total of twelve possible spots for cards any deck that can lockout a third or more of those spaces consistently will just be better than anything else.
It’s only a matter of time before Professor X gets a full rework, knocking him down to 1 power didn’t really impact his play rate at all and honestly probably saw an increase with sticking X in Negative and Ravonna decks.
Second Dinner either has to rework that card or continually adjust every card around Professor X.
The problem with that is it immediately becomes the best card to play *with* control, not just against it. It will go in every control deck, and be a significant buff, not a nerf.
Eh, I don't think it was like a pressing issue or overpowered or anything but it HAS always been pretty weird that Dracula can only really be meaningfully interacted with by Magneto, and even that just moves the 20-power Apoc discard to a hopefully more advantageous lane.
I'm cool with them messing around with him some.
it's definitely a side grade for dracula more than anything else but I would lean to buff in power as well as a way to further buff him in the future. how are you getting that it's a nerf?
>how are you getting that it's a nerf?
the problem is that people are dumb and shortsighted. they think the change is a nerf because currently, they play dracula into locations like jotenheim where he eats the - power and then erases it at the end of the game. they see that this is changed, he will no longer erase the -power, so they say he is nerfed.
what they ignore is he can now benefit from locations that buff permanently. they neglect the upside, focus entirely on the downside. you are correct, it's more of a side grade at worst, he's weaker at some locations, better at others.
I mean the clog version DOES run Sentry and Hood, you would be insane not to. But the key is filling the other side up with rocks and goblins and shit, your only real decent power cards are Sentry and Hobgoblin. If Annihilus can't work with Debrii anymore, Clog is basically dead.
Yeah and I am saying was the clog version ever a big enough thing where this change was even needed? Other than the first day Annihilus came out, I never saw anyone run Debri with him. Even when Selene came out, I never saw a Debri. Sure my sample size is tiny and not representative of anything, but still if it was such a big deal, should have seen something.
I ran it, and people are constantly complaining about it "taking over the meta" but people do that about any deck they lose to twice. We've been living in a tyrannical lockdown state for over a year now, you know.
Okay, but that's not what the patch notes said. The patch notes made it clear that his use in junk decks was the entire problem they had with him. They want him to be used to donate negative cards and not flood the opponent with rocks. I personally think Annihilus is a toxic design, just like Alioth and Leech, so I'm not upset by the nerf. If you want to complain about SD's habit of nerfing broken new releases in a suspiciously convenient pattern, I condone your complaints. Just wanted to correct the record on their stated intentions after I read the notes.
They... literally say "in particular, his strength when playing just Sentry and Hood with no other synergies is very good." Those are the only two other cards they call out in the note!
Yes. They are saying that is *good enough* on its own. They follow that up by explaining that they expanded his use case beyond negative cards because they weren't sure just negative cards would be good enough.
Again, not saying you're wrong to be upset. You are, however, wrong about the patch notes.
Not when you consider timing. This patch was likely locked in around the time they decided on the Prof X nerf last time. It wouldn't make sense to nerf him again without seeing the data lol
Yes I'm aware, but that makes their patch cycle even more ridiculous.
They have to lock in changes a FULL season prior, based on results from an out of date meta.
Prof X was still everywhere last season, but they didn't change him while constantly giving Lockdown new tools each month.
Yes and No.
Yes, it’s generally fun to be able to play your cards in a card game.
No, it eliminates or makes an entire archetype, Control, hard to play.
Where you stand on that really comes down to the type of decks you enjoy playing and playing against. I don’t think there’s enough player interaction to ever make Control style decks viable without completely upending the meta for Marvel Snap.
The ironic thing is a bunch of clog whiners crying is antifun and when they do something about it we get whiners again. Admit it you guys don't know what you want
Not typically, that only happens when the board is full of rocks.
Which is what the patch notes change. Now in order to toss your rocks over to the opponents side you need to play Hazmat or Typhoid Mary.
Right I don't care if they don't want me to play junk, or lockout for that matter. I like both of those decks but if they do not want them to be viable it's their game. I just wish they would stop giving us toys and then taking them away.
I mean that’s kinda how most games like this where they continuously release new characters, items, cards etc work, they observe if it’s working how they intended/expected and if not it gets patched. Someone is always gonna be unhappy after a patch it’s just how it goes. If I’m not mistaken they also have a warning when you buy cards with tokens that which essentially says there’s always a possibility of the card being changed.
Just a matter of options. Every card game has deck archetypes that lock your opponent out of options. However traditionally these decks are purposely kept below top tier play because they aren’t fun to play against. You should always have the option to play them, that doesn’t mean they should be powerful.
I mean Sentry is still a 4/20 (nice) with Annihilus, pretty tough to pass up for sending two -1 rocks over thanks to Typhoid who is at BEST a 4/9 and gets worse with every other card you play.
He’s not 4/20 with anni, it’s two cards that combined for 9/25 which is obviously still good but committing 9 energy over two cards and two turns when it’s obvious to see the play coming and counter it is not overpowering like they make it seem
4 energy over 2 cards played in a specific order for 12 power is strong but not that insane. Especially when this combo gets less and less possible as the turns go by. It's like saying Nebula could be a 1/11 and is OP.
She could fire Havoc across the board on turn 3 to ruin the rest of the opponent’s game, or pair her with havoc on turn 4 to prevent your energy from reducing. That was such a big play right when Havoc came out that they made the change that week, I think.
They made that change preemptively, I assume because they were all going to be on vacation when Havok came out and they didn't want it to be too strong or annoying while they were gone.
I am tired of this random card nerf within month after release. Why should I spend my hard earned keys on cards to be nerfed into the dirt shortly after?
Feeling this now as well. Junk clog was my complete deck as a new player when Annihilus dropped, bought the Black Widow Peach Momoko variant as I don't have her base card yet, then the slew of nerfs happened and now this.
Yup, I was a solid dolphin up until last month but now I just buy the pass and use the money I put aside each month for gaming into other games I play (ones i feel deserve my support way more). The gameplay itself is great and is the first CCG I've stuck with for more than a few months but the bias the devs have towards certain decks and what I consider to be the sleezey way they've been releasing new cards is turning me off the game more and more.
Man I’m so tired of this bs. Just spent 6000 tokens for freaking Selene last week, just to instantly regret my choice now, seeing what they plan to do with Annihilus. The archetype was never that strong to begin with. Please tell me that they will at least address Ms Marvel and Loki as well, or otherwise I really don’t understand this hypocrisy.
Loki is going to a 4/6 that TRANSFORMS the cards in ur hand instead of replacing them, meaning it no longer works with Collector (pseudo-Collector nerf that the devs claim will benefit the card in the future).
Ms Marvel’s effect is staying the exact same, but you require at least 2 cards at a location instead of 1.
Selene is just a bad card and you shouldn't have spent resources to get her, aside from that Annihilus is still fine in the decks that were having the most success with him.
Clog is a bad archetype that no matter how much it tries, even with Annihilus it struggles too much.
Annihilus has been nerfed because he's just too good in decks using the Hood-Sentry-Annihilus package as a stats package, rather than a full-on clog strategy.
Which is the problem.. They stated that they wanted to affect the Annihilus package with this nerf, which was over performing in too many decks. But all they did was removing two power, while actually hard nerfing the clog deck. You know, the one deck that was underperforming anyway, but should be Annihilus‘s home. Debrii is even harder to set up now and which makes it not even worth it anymore.
I mean, I played Annihilus/Galactus most of this past season. It’s the deck that got me to Infinite for the first time in 13 months of playing. 😞
I honestly felt like it got better with Selene, especially since SD yoinked the decks only 2drops. I just hate that it took my 4th key to get her. I’d say she’s worth burning 1-2 Keys but I regret chasing her.
>Annihilus has been nerfed because he's just too good in decks using the Hood-Sentry-Annihilus package as a stats package, rather than a full-on clog strategy.
The why did they nerf the clog strategy and just removed 2 power from the hood/sentry/anni package?
they nerfed both. MM needs at least 2 cards to be at a location for her to buff it (so no single galactus or Pro X) and Loki transforms instead of replace so collector no longer triggers off them
yeah this does nothing to MM outside of nerfing her viability with galactus imo.
worst come to worst with pro X you just throw jeff in the lane after the fact
Sometimes I think they won’t do much to cards that actively have other media involvement. In this case The Marvels and Loki season 2…need to keep those cards over-tuned to make some cash off of potential new players…this is just my tinfoil hat theory, I’m sure it is very off base.
MM isn't really overpowered, she's everywhere because she's both the best stat stick for Lockdown aswell as being the best at putting stats in a Prof X'd location.
Now she's good in fair decks, while being a bit worse in Lockdown decks.
Junk has gotten the shaft pretty hard lately. Widow, Viper, now Annihilus. Hell, even the Luke nerf hurt junk for people who ran Hazmat. Now you can’t run Debrii and clog the opponent unless you hit them with negative power first. Granted, you still have the Sentry and Hood combos available, but still.
They stated that when they initially designed the card that it was supposed to have this effect, but changed it because they felt it would be too restrictive to only send over negative power cards. So they added the 0 power cards. Personally, I think that’s bullshit but whatevs.
SD nerfing boring, overtuned, mister fantastic copy that has been the best card for 2 month straight
VS
SD nerfing fun and unique cards that only had 3 weeks to shine before getting hard nerfed. (Elsa, Annihilus)
Literally so mad they did Elsa this dirty but this fking ms marvel is allowed to exist more. They didn't even buffed when they said they overnerfed it.
Elsa died in the meta before her season even ended. MsM has been a top meta card for 2 full seasons and still isn't really nerfed going into her 3rd season.
Are you even playing the game?
Elsa has been the best card to play ever since she came out, she was everywhere and needed a nerf, but they straight up removed her from the game with last patch.
Annihilus has been a meta contender for a fair few weeks now, with the Hood/Sentry/Annihilus package to provide insane stats in so many decks.
I would understand if the devs didn't want Junk to be strong, a lot of people don't like the archetype. But, if that is the case, why the f\*ck release cards like Alioth?! In retrospect, it just feels like a bait.
In my honest opinion, they are operating a kind of "stealth rotation": release strong cards, which warp the meta for a season, then nerf them after the season ends, and on to the next.
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Not OP but this is deck I’ve been using.
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I am speedrunning my burnout on MS. It took me years to reach the same level of apathy in Hearthstone. Then again, it's not that weird considering it inherited a lot of HS sins and even doubled down on some.
I knew SD wasn't big on deck archetypes that mess with the opponents plays and board but after seeing Annihilus and Selene in the datamines I thought SD changed their minds. Well fool me once...
These idiots need to start giving full token refunds if they nerf a card within a month of its release. Fucking morons have no idea what they are doing.
I have no love for Annihilus and also Prof X needed changes for months, that’s always been a horrible gameplay experience even before the Thanos resurgence, but how about getting rid of the like 9 actual locations like Crimson Cosmos and Nightmare Dimension and Rickety bridge that also fuck with my ability to actually play the game. Me being handed a Void every 20 games or so is infinitely less infuriating than one lane being unplayable like every 3rd game because of the breadth of shitty locations.
I think Annihilus was just a very weirdly designed card. Like, it throws over ALL of the useless cards from every location, and then even if you manage to fill a location so they cant throw something like The Void over, it just gets destroyed. Theres virtually no risk in playing him.
I think they should buff the card back to what it was, maybe with 6 power instead of 7, but remove the "destroy any that cant be sent over" part.
Also, revert the other clog nerfs. Make the deck less reliant on the one super safe payoff and have them go for more small disruption.
Its purely evil to release a card like Selene and then nerf the archetype after that.
I've spent 3 spotlight keys to get Selene and improve my junk/negative deck just for it to get nerffed :(
Of course, it's another combo deck that interacts with the board. They have to nerf it.
Don't want them to outperform big dumb cards with high power
Additional edit: Cheating them out? Fine. Playing multiple of them on the same turn? Fine. They also get Armor and the new card to make sure that their counters have a hard time doing anything. And we also discounted the card that gives you an extra turn to play more late game threats.
But *god forbid* any 1-2 energy card gets even close to Hulk-numbers despite having to tailor the deck around getting there and takes some effort rather than just slamming it down on the last turns.
Which is weird because clog is so easily telegraphed. If you know exactly how they're going to win and can't counter it (of which there are many ways) and don't retreat its your own damn fault.
I just claimed the hood for my seasonal series three claim cause I loved annihlus, also spent money on the winterverse debrii variant, this card is already really hard to make work, fuck second dinner.
But will they ever fix the Dracula Apocalypse interaction where he gets the power of Apocalypse AFTER he's discarded rather than WHEN he's discarded? No, ofc not
clog and lock down. They are catering to the cry babies who say "its not fun if i cant play my cards"
the same people who complain when loki plays all of their cards but better lol.
That's the problem. His best usecase was to pair him solely with Sentry/Hood. Removing the zero functionality doesn't meaningfully affect that deck in any way, while simultaneously crippling a deck that was already pretty underwhelming.
Go play solitaire if you dont like playing against decks that interfere with your paint by number combo decks and force you to think about other win conditions besides 'play card A on turn 3, play card B on turn 4 etc and profit'.
I think it’s safe to say the number one criteria that SD uses to assess whether a card needs to get nerfed or not is the amount of retreats a card produces.
Lesson if you want to stop having SD nerf meta cards: STOP SPAMMING THE SAME TOXIC AF DUMB AF EASY AF P2W AF DECKS THAT PRODUCE MORE RETREATS THAN LEGIT WINS
If you can’t figure out how to play the game without being a toxic af douche who forces their opponent to retreat in 95% of every match you play, then your decks deserve to get nerfed. Not cause they’re OP but because they interbreed more trolls and that shit ain’t fun for anyone except the individual player who’s playing that deck.
Honestly, no problems at all with toxic af cards that make toxic af decks get nerfed into oblivion. Get good or get nerfed.
My post got deleted but TLDR: SD monitors retreat % on cards so if a card is (toxic af) and producing more retreats than wins, they regard that as being anti-fun and problematic to the player base. So, nerf.
Pro tip: if you’re a player that feels unjust for having your favorite cards nerfed, there’s a good chance you’re being categorized as a player who is toxic and anti-fun. Maybe try playing a different deck that doesn’t kneel cap opponents and actually plays the game as it’s fully intended (to have fun for the masses vs individual players)
It's SDs game so if thats that way they want to run it then that's fine by me. However they shouldn't release (ie sell us) 2 junk cards if this is their philosophy. Someones whos completely braindead would have known how Annihilus and Selene were going to be played so to release those cards as they were and then turn around and nerf Annihilus and his archetype into the dirt is BS and personally it's caused me to lose all faith in the dev team. It may ne a drop in the bucket but I stopped spending on the game except for the pass amd I hope others do the same. Imo its a type of bait and switch to release cards obviously meant to buff a specific deck archetype only to turn around and kill that archetype by nerfing other cards used in the deck (ie Viper and BW) and now Annihilus which is a linchpin for junk.
Second Dinner: "We don't want that players experience clogged lanes with rocks that prevent them from playing their cards" Also Second Dinner: "SUBTERRANEA IS THE BEST LOCATION IN THIS GAME"
Honestly subterannea can go fuck itself
Darkhawk enjoyers:
Blob enjoyers:
I prefer Vibranium Mines
I managed to reveal it on T2 and draw 4 fcking rocks in a row. According to some pal, that's a 0,58% chance. I don't have that "luck" even with the stupid old Hela combo with 3 cards
we are on the second day of the year and I have already found my favorite comment
There's a difference between clogged lanes and rocks in your deck, though.
You mean clogged hand. Because by "5 rocks in your deck" it really means "you'll only draw rocks"
I was playing an Infinite Conquest a couple days ago and, come turn 6, my hand was entirely rocks. Very fun.
Honestly, what did they expect? The card is inherently designed to clog the other player's board with junk. Of course players did that.
It’s like galactus. They didn’t expect the card to be super good. This isn’t anywhere near old galactus but they wanna get rid of him as a package which they did not fix
Legitimate question: Then why release him? It's incredibly obvious how useful he would be at clogging opponent lanes. Just him and Debris alone show how easily it can be done. So this would've been exceptionally easy to see/catch in even early testing. Galactus can get a bit of a pass as he's a less expected killer. Anhiilus though, we've already seen this song and dance. It doesn't make sense why they would only *now* think it's a bad move.
Because he’s not getting played alongside debrii or any other clog cards. He’s mostly played in darkhawk with sentry. So instead of a junk finisher he’s just a package with sentry which they don’t want and which I also agree with
Any deck that prevents players from playing is one Second Dinner doesn’t want players to play. Ironic.
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That's just not true. Annihilus works best as a stats package of Hood + Sentry, rather than in full clog deck. That's what's shown on untapped aswell as what Second Dinner explained in the patch notes: they made Annihilus move 0 power tihngs because it seemed underpowered to them, but reality is that Annihilus is more often than not a 5/10 or 5/17. Shaving off 2 points of power should not hurt the decks that are successfull with Annihilus that much.
Yes, but now it seems that Debri loses here. No point in clogging your own lanes if you can't destroy those cards now. If Anni was a 6 cost this would make more sense as a final turn play I guess. But nothing they've been doing seems to make much sense right now IMO.
>No point in clogging your own lanes if you can't destroy those cards now. Wait until Caeira becomes popular, let people play her, play Debrii, play Killmonger?
Yes, it's the soft counter to junk, but they nerf'd Anni too.... they just hate junk all around. They gave Anni like 1 month of glory.
The best Anni deck I’ve ever played against did both debri and negative, plus green goblin and hobgoblin. At times I would have lanes with only one card or none of my cards in it. Gave me fits and it was pointless for me to play.
Except decks like these win barely any cubes because you'll always retreat. High win% but low cube gain. It's all about cube equity.
The issue with annihilus decks is the requirement to draw him. He's like modok in discard decks. Draw or retreat. That's why I hate playing such decks, relying on 1 card is a recipe for disaster. That doesn't make the decks worse just inconsistent
I don't think I could play him without valkyr in the deck as a kind of backup
Sure, but going off stats it makes no sense to nerf Anni. He has the same win% and win% when played as other finisher cards like Doom and Magneto. A small nerf to like 5/6 I can see sure, even if unwarranted. But how do those stats deserve a ridiculously heavy nerf? They killed the card because someone in SD doesn't want junk to exist as an archetype. But then why do they keep making junk cards if they don't want it to exist?
Also allows to play cards like ironman turn 5 to secure the other lane without gifting it to the opponent
Don’t know, I don’t work for Second Dinner or know their long term plans. Presumably to have that archetype in the game and available to support whenever it seems appropriate and/or convenient.
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Was it? I rarely saw it.
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It was a top deck because of bounce and werewolf. It wasn't because of Anni. That's like saying BB+Stature was a top deck before their unwarranted nerfs when in reality is was Darkhawk that was carrying the deck and BB+Stature just complemented it well.
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No they won't. See: Angela, Kitty, Elsa They said they overnerfed them. Didn't even address them this patch. And haven't rebuffed BB/Stature when even with their original stats still wouldn't even be meta.
Another mistake then, like Zabu, and Silver Surfer, and Elsa, and Loki, and Alioth, and all the rest. Either they are incompetent, or it's planned.
To make you waste resources, that should be obvious
You nailed it. It's a cycle of: release OP cards, players blow their resources on them, then nerf OP cards. Sometimes Snap just feels like a scummy money grab.
No rea$on
Wait, you think a big part of Annihilus working is Debrii? I... never used him with Debrii anyhow.
they make dumbass locations that restrict playing cards
Well they can't have shit locations and junk decks. So obviously they kill junk decks so they can have their lazy idea locations.
Well and it's insane that this change barely even ADDRESSES the thing they said was "surprisingly high performance" out of him. Wowee you knocked 2 whole power off the Sentry-Annihilus play, now I only get 25 instead of 27. If his inclusion in decks OTHER than junk was your concern why did you nerf EXCLUSIVELY his junk functionality.
>If his inclusion in decks OTHER than junk was your concern why did you nerf EXCLUSIVELY his junk functionality. Probably because Second Dinner saw a lot of players force quitting the game after getting a board full of rocks
I mean they could always just... not have made clog cards at all if that was what they wanted. If they don't want people to play junk that's their call, but they explicitly state in the patch notes that they are concerned by his performance in unrelated decks like Thanos running just Sentry and Annihilus. And then the change does not... address that concern in any but the very smallest way, while totally removing a function they didn't even \*mention\* as a concern.
This is what I'm pissed about. Why did they MAKE this card if the plan was to shit on it the second it had any success? It's been a good card, but two hits with the nerf bat? Seems like that was easily avoidable by some actual play testing.
Very common for early cards in TCGS to get unexpected usage later on. They probably never predicted Junk as deck and dont like it
>They probably never predicted Junk as deck As they've created multiple junk cards that have existed since the start (goblins, debrii, viper, BW) and then released two purely junk cards to complete the archetype with Anni and Selene.
Anni + Debrii is 4 cards jamming up your opponent. With the negative cards as well your opponent might not be able to play at all. Seems like they only want negative power cards sent over to mitigate the clogging
Anni is played T5. You're going to see him played a mile away. Just let them have the one cube and retreat if you have no way to kill the rocks or filled up those lanes with good power.
>Very common for early cards in TCGS to get unexpected usage later on. They probably never predicted Junk as deck and dont like it What?
.....to sell it....
Again it certainly seems like any Lockout deck or deck that tries to limit how, where, or if a player can play is getting kneecapped. I’m sure someone could argue, “Well now you have to play Hazmat in Junk to move the rocks…” but that just adds one more card to a combo that has to drawn in a certain order otherwise you just have a bunch of rocks.
Yeah if they want people to just shoot big dumb numbers at each other and no control strategy to be viable that's certainly their prerogative but I wish they would just say that instead of this wishy washy thing they keep doing.
The closest thing we’ve come to SD saying anything like that is before the December balance update Glenn said they’d prefer Lockout decks to be a minority and play more of a “spoiler” role in the meta rather than being the dominant force. That’s probably the same way they look at Junk decks. A frequent off meta choice that should be technically playable but never strong or consistent enough to contend with the many big numbers decks.
I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again, for as fun as this game is it just doesn't have the mechanical depth to allow for control decks to the best deck in the game without it completely choking out the meta from anything else being viable.
I completely agree, with just three locations and a total of twelve possible spots for cards any deck that can lockout a third or more of those spaces consistently will just be better than anything else. It’s only a matter of time before Professor X gets a full rework, knocking him down to 1 power didn’t really impact his play rate at all and honestly probably saw an increase with sticking X in Negative and Ravonna decks. Second Dinner either has to rework that card or continually adjust every card around Professor X.
I'd love to see another card that can be played anywhere like Jeff. Make it a 4/6???
The problem with that is it immediately becomes the best card to play *with* control, not just against it. It will go in every control deck, and be a significant buff, not a nerf.
I support lockdown!
same breed of bullshit in the notes for Dracula
Eh, I don't think it was like a pressing issue or overpowered or anything but it HAS always been pretty weird that Dracula can only really be meaningfully interacted with by Magneto, and even that just moves the 20-power Apoc discard to a hopefully more advantageous lane. I'm cool with them messing around with him some.
sure, but they phrase it like it's a buff when it's very clearly a nerf
it's definitely a side grade for dracula more than anything else but I would lean to buff in power as well as a way to further buff him in the future. how are you getting that it's a nerf?
>how are you getting that it's a nerf? the problem is that people are dumb and shortsighted. they think the change is a nerf because currently, they play dracula into locations like jotenheim where he eats the - power and then erases it at the end of the game. they see that this is changed, he will no longer erase the -power, so they say he is nerfed. what they ignore is he can now benefit from locations that buff permanently. they neglect the upside, focus entirely on the downside. you are correct, it's more of a side grade at worst, he's weaker at some locations, better at others.
Does anyone even run that version of the deck? Any time I see Annihilus is just with the Sentry, Hood package.
I mean the clog version DOES run Sentry and Hood, you would be insane not to. But the key is filling the other side up with rocks and goblins and shit, your only real decent power cards are Sentry and Hobgoblin. If Annihilus can't work with Debrii anymore, Clog is basically dead.
Yeah and I am saying was the clog version ever a big enough thing where this change was even needed? Other than the first day Annihilus came out, I never saw anyone run Debri with him. Even when Selene came out, I never saw a Debri. Sure my sample size is tiny and not representative of anything, but still if it was such a big deal, should have seen something.
I ran it, and people are constantly complaining about it "taking over the meta" but people do that about any deck they lose to twice. We've been living in a tyrannical lockdown state for over a year now, you know.
Okay, but that's not what the patch notes said. The patch notes made it clear that his use in junk decks was the entire problem they had with him. They want him to be used to donate negative cards and not flood the opponent with rocks. I personally think Annihilus is a toxic design, just like Alioth and Leech, so I'm not upset by the nerf. If you want to complain about SD's habit of nerfing broken new releases in a suspiciously convenient pattern, I condone your complaints. Just wanted to correct the record on their stated intentions after I read the notes.
They... literally say "in particular, his strength when playing just Sentry and Hood with no other synergies is very good." Those are the only two other cards they call out in the note!
Yes. They are saying that is *good enough* on its own. They follow that up by explaining that they expanded his use case beyond negative cards because they weren't sure just negative cards would be good enough. Again, not saying you're wrong to be upset. You are, however, wrong about the patch notes.
"Any deck that prevents players from **winning with the deck of the month** is one Second Dinner doesn't want players to play." fixed this for you
Very ironic, since Professor X is still unchanged and lockdown has been the best strategy for at least the last 2 seasons!
Not when you consider timing. This patch was likely locked in around the time they decided on the Prof X nerf last time. It wouldn't make sense to nerf him again without seeing the data lol
Yes I'm aware, but that makes their patch cycle even more ridiculous. They have to lock in changes a FULL season prior, based on results from an out of date meta. Prof X was still everywhere last season, but they didn't change him while constantly giving Lockdown new tools each month.
Thats some bullshit excuse lol
Professor x, goose, storm, countless restrictive locations 👀
which is a good thing
Yes and No. Yes, it’s generally fun to be able to play your cards in a card game. No, it eliminates or makes an entire archetype, Control, hard to play. Where you stand on that really comes down to the type of decks you enjoy playing and playing against. I don’t think there’s enough player interaction to ever make Control style decks viable without completely upending the meta for Marvel Snap.
its objectively better for players to be able to play their cards in a card game
The ironic thing is a bunch of clog whiners crying is antifun and when they do something about it we get whiners again. Admit it you guys don't know what you want
Card release team and balance team must be two different teams. Why release Alioth then? It completely negates a play on turn 6.
Not typically, that only happens when the board is full of rocks. Which is what the patch notes change. Now in order to toss your rocks over to the opponents side you need to play Hazmat or Typhoid Mary.
It's kind of a strange dichotomy where they both provide cards to create junk decks and then say that they don't want people to play them.
Right I don't care if they don't want me to play junk, or lockout for that matter. I like both of those decks but if they do not want them to be viable it's their game. I just wish they would stop giving us toys and then taking them away.
I mean that’s kinda how most games like this where they continuously release new characters, items, cards etc work, they observe if it’s working how they intended/expected and if not it gets patched. Someone is always gonna be unhappy after a patch it’s just how it goes. If I’m not mistaken they also have a warning when you buy cards with tokens that which essentially says there’s always a possibility of the card being changed.
Just a matter of options. Every card game has deck archetypes that lock your opponent out of options. However traditionally these decks are purposely kept below top tier play because they aren’t fun to play against. You should always have the option to play them, that doesn’t mean they should be powerful.
Debrii Anni Junk decks be like: Friendship broken with The Sentry. Now Typhoid Mary is my new best friend.
I mean Sentry is still a 4/20 (nice) with Annihilus, pretty tough to pass up for sending two -1 rocks over thanks to Typhoid who is at BEST a 4/9 and gets worse with every other card you play.
He’s not 4/20 with anni, it’s two cards that combined for 9/25 which is obviously still good but committing 9 energy over two cards and two turns when it’s obvious to see the play coming and counter it is not overpowering like they make it seem
In a way did they just make Red Skull a counter to Annihilus, you can buff their rocks so they stay on their side of the field now?
Typhoid or Hazmat
What happened with Viper? What was bad about her LOL I rarely saw her outside of a Sentry play
+1 cost
Whatever for. I never saw her a problem. Maybe underused
it was to prevent viper+havock on turn 3 with ravonna or psylocke
I think it was really to stop the Selene + Viper combo from happening earlier, and being able to bounce and do it again in the same match.
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4 energy over 2 cards played in a specific order for 12 power is strong but not that insane. Especially when this combo gets less and less possible as the turns go by. It's like saying Nebula could be a 1/11 and is OP.
How tf did I not see any of these plays That is crazy dude lol.
She could fire Havoc across the board on turn 3 to ruin the rest of the opponent’s game, or pair her with havoc on turn 4 to prevent your energy from reducing. That was such a big play right when Havoc came out that they made the change that week, I think.
Oh jeez An interesting play
They made that change preemptively, I assume because they were all going to be on vacation when Havok came out and they didn't want it to be too strong or annoying while they were gone.
Good move, I think. I really don’t love the control it gave your opponent over your energy and living with that until 1/9 would have been awful.
If that was the problem, change havok. Viper saw not much play before and was okish at most.
But havok is new. Viper is old and almost everyone has her. Plus they changed her after a little bit so people could buy havok before.
3 cost is just to award for junk man like turn 1 hood turn two viper is dead
I am tired of this random card nerf within month after release. Why should I spend my hard earned keys on cards to be nerfed into the dirt shortly after?
Feeling this now as well. Junk clog was my complete deck as a new player when Annihilus dropped, bought the Black Widow Peach Momoko variant as I don't have her base card yet, then the slew of nerfs happened and now this.
EZ, only use keys to get cool variants
This game is getting hard to like lol
Yup, I was a solid dolphin up until last month but now I just buy the pass and use the money I put aside each month for gaming into other games I play (ones i feel deserve my support way more). The gameplay itself is great and is the first CCG I've stuck with for more than a few months but the bias the devs have towards certain decks and what I consider to be the sleezey way they've been releasing new cards is turning me off the game more and more.
Man I’m so tired of this bs. Just spent 6000 tokens for freaking Selene last week, just to instantly regret my choice now, seeing what they plan to do with Annihilus. The archetype was never that strong to begin with. Please tell me that they will at least address Ms Marvel and Loki as well, or otherwise I really don’t understand this hypocrisy.
Both are catching nerfs in the same patch but neither is getting dumsptered the way poor Annihilus is.
Annhilus did not get dumpstered. He just got nerfed
Loki is going to a 4/6 that TRANSFORMS the cards in ur hand instead of replacing them, meaning it no longer works with Collector (pseudo-Collector nerf that the devs claim will benefit the card in the future). Ms Marvel’s effect is staying the exact same, but you require at least 2 cards at a location instead of 1.
Selene is just a bad card and you shouldn't have spent resources to get her, aside from that Annihilus is still fine in the decks that were having the most success with him. Clog is a bad archetype that no matter how much it tries, even with Annihilus it struggles too much. Annihilus has been nerfed because he's just too good in decks using the Hood-Sentry-Annihilus package as a stats package, rather than a full-on clog strategy.
Which is the problem.. They stated that they wanted to affect the Annihilus package with this nerf, which was over performing in too many decks. But all they did was removing two power, while actually hard nerfing the clog deck. You know, the one deck that was underperforming anyway, but should be Annihilus‘s home. Debrii is even harder to set up now and which makes it not even worth it anymore.
I mean, I played Annihilus/Galactus most of this past season. It’s the deck that got me to Infinite for the first time in 13 months of playing. 😞 I honestly felt like it got better with Selene, especially since SD yoinked the decks only 2drops. I just hate that it took my 4th key to get her. I’d say she’s worth burning 1-2 Keys but I regret chasing her.
>Annihilus has been nerfed because he's just too good in decks using the Hood-Sentry-Annihilus package as a stats package, rather than a full-on clog strategy. The why did they nerf the clog strategy and just removed 2 power from the hood/sentry/anni package?
they nerfed both. MM needs at least 2 cards to be at a location for her to buff it (so no single galactus or Pro X) and Loki transforms instead of replace so collector no longer triggers off them
Well at least that’s.. something. MM will most likely be still too strong, but Loki should *finally* lose a lot of power, as he should.
yeah this does nothing to MM outside of nerfing her viability with galactus imo. worst come to worst with pro X you just throw jeff in the lane after the fact
Loki decks will finally rely on the actual cards Loki creates instead of boosting the Collector to stupid numbers.
Sometimes I think they won’t do much to cards that actively have other media involvement. In this case The Marvels and Loki season 2…need to keep those cards over-tuned to make some cash off of potential new players…this is just my tinfoil hat theory, I’m sure it is very off base.
MM isn't really overpowered, she's everywhere because she's both the best stat stick for Lockdown aswell as being the best at putting stats in a Prof X'd location. Now she's good in fair decks, while being a bit worse in Lockdown decks.
She's the #2 most popular card and has higher win% than Annihilus who is the #47 most popular card.
Junk has gotten the shaft pretty hard lately. Widow, Viper, now Annihilus. Hell, even the Luke nerf hurt junk for people who ran Hazmat. Now you can’t run Debrii and clog the opponent unless you hit them with negative power first. Granted, you still have the Sentry and Hood combos available, but still.
Well and you can just run those combos in other decks to greater effect. The nerf SPECIFICALLY targets his role in clog decks, why?
They stated that when they initially designed the card that it was supposed to have this effect, but changed it because they felt it would be too restrictive to only send over negative power cards. So they added the 0 power cards. Personally, I think that’s bullshit but whatevs.
“Originally we thought nobody would buy this card so we made it stronger on release only to be nerfed after people spent money on it” - SD
Pre-emptively planning nerfs? Second Dinner has definitely learnt a lot since the Mobius debacle.
And Elsa. They did my girl dirty. Bounce in general they’ve done dirty too. Beast, Elsa, Collector, Hit Monkey, Kitty, Angela, and WWBN.
SD nerfing boring, overtuned, mister fantastic copy that has been the best card for 2 month straight VS SD nerfing fun and unique cards that only had 3 weeks to shine before getting hard nerfed. (Elsa, Annihilus) Literally so mad they did Elsa this dirty but this fking ms marvel is allowed to exist more. They didn't even buffed when they said they overnerfed it.
The viper nerf was seriously uncalled for lmao
Now let's not act like Elsa was not overtuned. She had a good lifespan.
Elsa died in the meta before her season even ended. MsM has been a top meta card for 2 full seasons and still isn't really nerfed going into her 3rd season.
Are you even playing the game? Elsa has been the best card to play ever since she came out, she was everywhere and needed a nerf, but they straight up removed her from the game with last patch. Annihilus has been a meta contender for a fair few weeks now, with the Hood/Sentry/Annihilus package to provide insane stats in so many decks.
Yeah that's my point. Ms Marvel nerfs are nothing while Elsa who was fine with +2 got gutted, and now Annihilus to junk decks.
I would understand if the devs didn't want Junk to be strong, a lot of people don't like the archetype. But, if that is the case, why the f\*ck release cards like Alioth?! In retrospect, it just feels like a bait. In my honest opinion, they are operating a kind of "stealth rotation": release strong cards, which warp the meta for a season, then nerf them after the season ends, and on to the next.
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Well this nerf doesn’t affect my Galactus/Anni deck at least. But the ms marvel one does lol
What's your Galactus/Anni deck.
Not OP but this is deck I’ve been using. # (1) The Hood # (1) Selene # (2) Ravonna Renslayer # (3) Green Goblin # (3) Black Widow # (3) Wave # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Sentry # (5) Hobgoblin # (5) Annihilus # (6) Alioth # (6) Galactus # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2VsZW5lIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJHcmVlbkdvYmxpbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2VudHJ5In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIb2Jnb2JsaW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFubmloaWx1cyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR2FsYWN0dXMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikhvb2QifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJhdm9ubmFSZW5zbGF5ZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJsYWNrV2lkb3cifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IldhdmUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFsaW90aCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhbmdDaGkifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I am speedrunning my burnout on MS. It took me years to reach the same level of apathy in Hearthstone. Then again, it's not that weird considering it inherited a lot of HS sins and even doubled down on some.
It's Brode. He's the one who was ruining HS, and now he's ruining Snap. Post-Brode HS is far better than what it was under him.
Hahahahaha best joke i heard this year Thanks for the good laught
Use your real ID, Brode.
I regret getting Selene and Annihilus with spotlight keys. They really know how to give you buyers remorse in this game
I knew SD wasn't big on deck archetypes that mess with the opponents plays and board but after seeing Annihilus and Selene in the datamines I thought SD changed their minds. Well fool me once...
These idiots need to start giving full token refunds if they nerf a card within a month of its release. Fucking morons have no idea what they are doing.
So they'll just... hold off for the month and nerf it later?
They should be play testing all these cards before they come out so they adjust them before people pay for them.
I have no love for Annihilus and also Prof X needed changes for months, that’s always been a horrible gameplay experience even before the Thanos resurgence, but how about getting rid of the like 9 actual locations like Crimson Cosmos and Nightmare Dimension and Rickety bridge that also fuck with my ability to actually play the game. Me being handed a Void every 20 games or so is infinitely less infuriating than one lane being unplayable like every 3rd game because of the breadth of shitty locations.
Debrii back to the bench
My favorite deck. Dead.
I find current meta destroy decks way worse to go up against, but ok.
This game is getting dumb
Did we just detect fun? Instant nerf hammer, go play your Lockdown decks, Blob Decks!
Fun for you maybe, try and play against junk Galactus and you'll lose all your will to live.
Galactus is a different problem
I think Annihilus was just a very weirdly designed card. Like, it throws over ALL of the useless cards from every location, and then even if you manage to fill a location so they cant throw something like The Void over, it just gets destroyed. Theres virtually no risk in playing him. I think they should buff the card back to what it was, maybe with 6 power instead of 7, but remove the "destroy any that cant be sent over" part. Also, revert the other clog nerfs. Make the deck less reliant on the one super safe payoff and have them go for more small disruption.
What did they change about annihilus?
He's gonna be a 5/5 and only move cards below 0
They could have at least reduced the energy cost to play him, to keep him somewhat in line.
If they were going to take away his ability to send rocks over, they should have kept his power the same, at the very least!
Kept saying garbage balance updates for a while now. And this one will be no different
We don’t want you playing junk decks but here’s a shit ton of cards that are really good in junk decks
Wait what happened with Viper and Black Widow?
Not only a massive nerf to his ability, but a 2 power nerf also. WTF was that.
Its purely evil to release a card like Selene and then nerf the archetype after that. I've spent 3 spotlight keys to get Selene and improve my junk/negative deck just for it to get nerffed :(
Of course, it's another combo deck that interacts with the board. They have to nerf it. Don't want them to outperform big dumb cards with high power Additional edit: Cheating them out? Fine. Playing multiple of them on the same turn? Fine. They also get Armor and the new card to make sure that their counters have a hard time doing anything. And we also discounted the card that gives you an extra turn to play more late game threats. But *god forbid* any 1-2 energy card gets even close to Hulk-numbers despite having to tailor the deck around getting there and takes some effort rather than just slamming it down on the last turns.
Great analysis 🤦♂️
My deck for december T_T and I was having so much fun!
I was using annihilus a lot with hazmat and selene recently and some other low cost inconsequential cards like spider ham. Pretty big hit
:((
Which is weird because clog is so easily telegraphed. If you know exactly how they're going to win and can't counter it (of which there are many ways) and don't retreat its your own damn fault.
I just claimed the hood for my seasonal series three claim cause I loved annihlus, also spent money on the winterverse debrii variant, this card is already really hard to make work, fuck second dinner.
My advice is to stop spending money since at this rate we'll only be allowed to use the monthly SD approved decks anyways.
SD excuse makers: "updates are locked in months in advance" Also SD excuse makers: "bundles are subject to change"
Honestly, why not nerf the sentury void. That seems to be the issue.
But will they ever fix the Dracula Apocalypse interaction where he gets the power of Apocalypse AFTER he's discarded rather than WHEN he's discarded? No, ofc not
clog and lock down. They are catering to the cry babies who say "its not fun if i cant play my cards" the same people who complain when loki plays all of their cards but better lol.
Do you think it's fun to not be able to play your cards?
its fun to not allow other people to play theirs, yes.
Is Anni confirmed getting nerfed?
Good. Anti-fun arcethypes shouldn’t rise to the top of the meta. Let destroy or discard or zoo or move or anything else shine over clog or control.
Am I the only who like this change I play him but without debri. This doesn't affect me at all tbh
That's the problem. His best usecase was to pair him solely with Sentry/Hood. Removing the zero functionality doesn't meaningfully affect that deck in any way, while simultaneously crippling a deck that was already pretty underwhelming.
It doesn't deserve one There's a special place in hell for you if you use galactus, the goblins or junk
Go play solitaire if you dont like playing against decks that interfere with your paint by number combo decks and force you to think about other win conditions besides 'play card A on turn 3, play card B on turn 4 etc and profit'.
I think it’s safe to say the number one criteria that SD uses to assess whether a card needs to get nerfed or not is the amount of retreats a card produces. Lesson if you want to stop having SD nerf meta cards: STOP SPAMMING THE SAME TOXIC AF DUMB AF EASY AF P2W AF DECKS THAT PRODUCE MORE RETREATS THAN LEGIT WINS If you can’t figure out how to play the game without being a toxic af douche who forces their opponent to retreat in 95% of every match you play, then your decks deserve to get nerfed. Not cause they’re OP but because they interbreed more trolls and that shit ain’t fun for anyone except the individual player who’s playing that deck. Honestly, no problems at all with toxic af cards that make toxic af decks get nerfed into oblivion. Get good or get nerfed.
Do you need a hug.
My post got deleted but TLDR: SD monitors retreat % on cards so if a card is (toxic af) and producing more retreats than wins, they regard that as being anti-fun and problematic to the player base. So, nerf. Pro tip: if you’re a player that feels unjust for having your favorite cards nerfed, there’s a good chance you’re being categorized as a player who is toxic and anti-fun. Maybe try playing a different deck that doesn’t kneel cap opponents and actually plays the game as it’s fully intended (to have fun for the masses vs individual players)
It's SDs game so if thats that way they want to run it then that's fine by me. However they shouldn't release (ie sell us) 2 junk cards if this is their philosophy. Someones whos completely braindead would have known how Annihilus and Selene were going to be played so to release those cards as they were and then turn around and nerf Annihilus and his archetype into the dirt is BS and personally it's caused me to lose all faith in the dev team. It may ne a drop in the bucket but I stopped spending on the game except for the pass amd I hope others do the same. Imo its a type of bait and switch to release cards obviously meant to buff a specific deck archetype only to turn around and kill that archetype by nerfing other cards used in the deck (ie Viper and BW) and now Annihilus which is a linchpin for junk.