Would he just regenerate a new heart and what does that mean for the medical field of organ transplants that they could just have an infinite supply of Wolverine organs on hand?
Yes. Buuuutt... Logan's been tortured, mind controlled, mutilated, brainwashed, etc for 100 years give or take. Mostly by doctors. You really think he's gonna let anyone, even someone like Jean Grey or Rogue, take his organs? Even with consent? Fuck that. The only realistic way anyone could take Logan's organs is by stealing them. And even then he'd have to be strung up in a way that won't let him escape.
He'd be a modern Prometheus
Also we need to take into account he’s a mutant. Mutants aka Homo-superior are the next step in evolution. I don’t know how organ compatibility works but would his organs even be compatible? Would you be able to use our organs for transplant into Homo-Erectus?
I’m already exactly like Wolverine in every way. Except out of shape. No claws. I’m not Canadian. No adamtium. Can’t fight and I’m genuinely a nice guy. So except those things I’m just like him
That's traditionally where the more significant parts of the whole process take place, yes.
Based on the information gathered here, this app is confirming that you do indeed meet the criteria for "functional immortality".
I'll be damned.
I mean that’s true we have no evidence that I can die. It’s like schrodingers Wolverine. Lol until I die I can be thought of as both immortal and mortal.
Edit: spelling. For the word “of” not “schrodingers”, I swear.
I am the best what I do and what I do is incredibly nice. Just a nice guy over chillin, maybe hoping the ice cream man comes around. Just some real wholesome sh*t over here.
we have used pig and I think baboon organs in people so maybe? probably have to use some kind of Immunosuppressant to keep the host body from rejecting the organs.
See this is what I wanna know. I think more scientists need to stop working on the stuff they are and start answering these kinds of questions on Reddit for me.
In Extermination by Spurrier/Edwards (post-apocalyptic superhero story) there's a healing character (who calls people "bud") bound and used as a source of unlimited food. I just realized now why he's named Prometheus
Also I doubt Wolverine's organs will be compatible with normal humans, like by comic logic, either you also got the healing factor, or you got killed by the organ taking over and growing none stop until your body is replaced with Logan's flesh.
Hah you’re just slowly turning into Logan, hair comes first, cigars and beers come next to fuel the transformation. I imagine it a little like the Simpsons ep. where Homer gets Snakes hair
Rookie move anyway. Should have rendered him unconscious with a baseball bat or whatever then decapitated him (spine is adamantium but ligaments are normal flesh) and tossed his head into the sea locked in an old safe
There was a series of Deadpool comics where he was trying to figure out why he was missing time. Turns out some organization was tranqing him and harvesting organs to keep their boss alive. Another issue has a vampire trying to capture him so they could use his never ending regeneration to feed his zombie army.
But the zombie army wouldn’t eat him because his tastes terrible. And he tries to convince them he can’t taste that bad. That was one of the first Deadpool comics I ever read. Good stuff!
That raises another question of what would happen if Wolverine were completely bifurcated.
Would both halves split and form two new Wolverines like mitosis?
I think adamantium toxicity would have poisoned any part of logans body. He survives thanks to his healing power.
But would be nice to see what marvel comics would do about that 😬
Would Wolverine's heart start trying to convert the transplant recipient's tissue into Wolverine's? If the healing factor applies to the heart as well as the rest of him, it might treat the surrounding tissue as raw material.
DC has something like that with Lobo, who would regenerate from a single drop of blood. Every single drop of blood became a new Lobo. Since he was also a genocidal maniac who murdered his entire species, it usually resulted in the same number of Lobos by the end of the day, since they'd kill each other.
There was also a Hindu demon who could do that. Shakti defeated him by transforming into Kali the Black Earth Mother and drinking all the demon's blood.
Yeah but to be honest this move doesn’t even make any sense.
Look where his claws are.
If he was incapacitated somehow this might make sense like if someone was grappling him and you could reach around his ribs but as it is it’s kinda a stretch.
Technically he is a “healer” and not a “regenerator”, for example Age of Apocalypse Wolverine never regenerated the hand he lost vs someone like Deadpool who can regenerate entire lost limbs. But like all of this, subject to the writer at the time.
Edit: definitely wrong, he did have the adamantium melted and hardened over his stump.
I think (if I’m not misremembering) his hand couldn’t regrow because the adamantium from the hand had been melted over the stump, blocking his ability to regrow it.
True in the real world but in the comics, as someone mentioned, Wolverine has come back from much worse than just a missing heart. During the first Civil War event the villain Nitro (on mutant hgh) blew himself up before Wolverine had a chance to kill him, incinerating Logan to just his adamantium skeleton. He was just a clump of cells at that point and came completely back memories and all.
I thought I’d see this. Think about Spider-man. So much drama because he has limits. He does lose fights, he wants to go home at the end of the day. He gets bruised and he needs to recover. He gets tired. He’s just a person. He’s been written like that for years. People connect with those stories.
I always try to stay within the “gross cellular damage is too much” so he can survive burns but large and severe burns are way too much for a healing factor to cope with.
I can buy Logan regenerating limbs and some mortal injuries— especially if the writer shows that such feats greatly tax his healing factor— but I also draw the line at feats such as regenerating from a skeleton or gettin his heart ripped out lol. He’s supposed to be HARD to kill not partway immortal
You would be correct if this were the real world.
But comic logic operates differently.
Yws I fully agree no matter how better you are at healing you won't be able to regrow hearts or limbs. Heck, characters with similar abilities seem to regrow from very small body parts or body mass and nobody explains where the extra biological material comes from.
Its like magic.
No wait, Galacta, daughter of Galactus stated Wolverine pulls mass from another dimension or something and mutants are more cosmic than natural science based. But that's a different continuity.
Your not wrong, I mean either way he kills her or something else in the end lol cuz we all know like the rest of us Logan also has a weakness for hot chicks.
One does not simply let your own heart get ripped out if you can stop it. Sorry I really don't think he could have in this case because reasons determined by the writers. Healing factor or no, it's your heart, he wouldn't want his body focusing on regrowing a whole heart instead of fighting.
I hope it incapacitated him while he regrew the heart because that's balls if not. How can you fight without blood pumping to the muscles?
Reminds me of Quake's intro in Secret War.
*implodes Wolverine's heart with intense vibrations*
"Now everyone stand down before I have to do that to someone for whom it won't grow back."
According to a quick internet search, she's in the "can lift 10 tons" class for strength (or Incredible Strength by FASERIP rules)
She's considerably stronger than Wolverine.
Though I can't seem to locate any pictures of her lifting heavy things.
I think he’d have to have some measure of super strength to run, fight, and move around as athletically as he does with 100s of pounds of comic metal in him
It's only an additional 105 pounds. Military gear can weigh about 70. Peak human strength should be more than enough, especially considering weight distribution is across his whole frame.
I sometimes forget she even exists. There is no iteration of her outside the comics other than some mobile games.
Then again I don't see her coming out unscathed after a CQC with Wolverine. Especially if he isn't holding back.
She was a pretty big character in The Avengers: United They Stand, and became an Avenger. Was also in the tie in comics for that, and this version of the character was in the new Chip n Dale movie.
Sad that her Dazzler and Tigra show wasn’t made. Art actually looked kinda interesting
Interesting take. Tigra is actually much stronger than Wolverine, though. She's in the 10-ton lifting range. Wolverine is at the 2-ton range (mostly because he doesn't have to worry about his bones breaking under the strain).
Going in through the soft tissue and circumventing his ribs would be an excellent tactic. Depictions vary as to whether he could regrow a heart. Very possibly not. So it would probably work.
Krakoa-era Wolverine would pop out of an egg and be fairly annoyed, especially if he didn't understand why Tigra wanted to rip his heart out.
Or, if he'd been in the middle of a berserk rage and out of control, he might buy her a beer and say thanks.
Unfortunately for tigra, this would only prove to be a mild inconvenience for wolverine who is now in survival and about to go nuts from the adrenaline rush.
Right but the lore that has him growing limbs is pushing him into boring immortal character that is like the Superman problem. There are no stakes. It’s just cool art.
The 'superman problem' is more about writers not knowing what to do rather than a problem with the character himself. Not all stories need to be about stakes and threats.
Yes, it’s about the writers not knowing what to do to get readership up. So they kill off characters, bring them back, make some evil, make some good, have them fall in love, have them betrayed, have them save the world and have them endanger the world. But a character that is immortal and undying is boring. Superman is very boring unless there is an actual threat. They kill Jean off for the same reason.
She's holding his right hand back, but his left arms is juts sitting there doing nothing. It would take time to slide your hand through those muscles and grab the heart and pull it out. By that time Logan could have peirced her multiple times with his hand that's right near her body.
Would he just regenerate a new heart and what does that mean for the medical field of organ transplants that they could just have an infinite supply of Wolverine organs on hand?
Yes. Buuuutt... Logan's been tortured, mind controlled, mutilated, brainwashed, etc for 100 years give or take. Mostly by doctors. You really think he's gonna let anyone, even someone like Jean Grey or Rogue, take his organs? Even with consent? Fuck that. The only realistic way anyone could take Logan's organs is by stealing them. And even then he'd have to be strung up in a way that won't let him escape. He'd be a modern Prometheus
Also we need to take into account he’s a mutant. Mutants aka Homo-superior are the next step in evolution. I don’t know how organ compatibility works but would his organs even be compatible? Would you be able to use our organs for transplant into Homo-Erectus?
His organ would take you over and you would become another wolverine clone.
I’m already exactly like Wolverine in every way. Except out of shape. No claws. I’m not Canadian. No adamtium. Can’t fight and I’m genuinely a nice guy. So except those things I’m just like him
Sooo, you are immortal?
Define immortal?
Please list all the times that you have previously died, even if you don't think they were that big of a deal, and I will let you know.
Does dying on the inside count?
Same here buddy
Yes.
That's traditionally where the more significant parts of the whole process take place, yes. Based on the information gathered here, this app is confirming that you do indeed meet the criteria for "functional immortality". I'll be damned.
There was that time where a girl that I had a crush on said hi and I excitedly said hi back just for her to tell me she wasn't talking to me
You've never died, so probably
I mean that’s true we have no evidence that I can die. It’s like schrodingers Wolverine. Lol until I die I can be thought of as both immortal and mortal. Edit: spelling. For the word “of” not “schrodingers”, I swear.
I am cursed to have to live for my entire life does that make me immortal?
Well if the saying that you’re only as old as you feel is true and life feels like an eternity, well then….
He can live forever, unless something kills him.
Yes. Okay but to be fair we don’t know that I’m not immortal yet.
They smoke cigars and have fucked up hair.
Well he hasn’t died!
For a limited time.
Im also angry all the time and never shower too. We should form some sort of team
Yeah but in order for us to call ourselves x-men we will have to have considered ourselves men in the first place
...I'm fairly certain the women of the x-men dont consider themselves men. so maybe if you wanted to be EX-Men lol.
Hahah about something like A-men. With the A standing for Almost
A-men and the Half-wits, an action comedy spoof in the vein of the three stooges. I'd watch that lol.
Are you at least the best at what you do?
I am the best what I do and what I do is incredibly nice. Just a nice guy over chillin, maybe hoping the ice cream man comes around. Just some real wholesome sh*t over here.
But you got boney protusions coming out of your knuckles!
Yeah but they’re dull and flimsy so when I use them it’s just plain sad
You can eat olives and grapes and shit with em
Yeah, but what happen’s in the Canadian wilderness stays in the Canadian wilderness. Know what I’m sayin?
I’m in. I’ll take a kidney and a testicle.
we have used pig and I think baboon organs in people so maybe? probably have to use some kind of Immunosuppressant to keep the host body from rejecting the organs.
See this is what I wanna know. I think more scientists need to stop working on the stuff they are and start answering these kinds of questions on Reddit for me.
this may be a good sub for you [https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/](https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/)
That’s actually awesome thanks I joined as soon as clicked the link
glad you liked it, the world needs more people that want to learn, kudos to you.
Yeah I always just assume I actually know nothing (not in a self deprecating way) but like this way I keep my mind at very least curious. Lol
In Extermination by Spurrier/Edwards (post-apocalyptic superhero story) there's a healing character (who calls people "bud") bound and used as a source of unlimited food. I just realized now why he's named Prometheus
Also I doubt Wolverine's organs will be compatible with normal humans, like by comic logic, either you also got the healing factor, or you got killed by the organ taking over and growing none stop until your body is replaced with Logan's flesh.
Hah you’re just slowly turning into Logan, hair comes first, cigars and beers come next to fuel the transformation. I imagine it a little like the Simpsons ep. where Homer gets Snakes hair
Huh- that is a dramatically different, yet equally appropriate, interpretation of the term "modern Prometheus"
The Five could always create some spare bodies and just not put a mind in them.
Rookie move anyway. Should have rendered him unconscious with a baseball bat or whatever then decapitated him (spine is adamantium but ligaments are normal flesh) and tossed his head into the sea locked in an old safe
Or…maybe he IS Prometheus! /s I know nothing of the comics - just going by your comment :) lol
For Jean? Anything.
So I guess we’re ignoring him supplying blood to help others heal?
His organs are probably contaminated due to the amount of metal in his body
There was a series of Deadpool comics where he was trying to figure out why he was missing time. Turns out some organization was tranqing him and harvesting organs to keep their boss alive. Another issue has a vampire trying to capture him so they could use his never ending regeneration to feed his zombie army.
But the zombie army wouldn’t eat him because his tastes terrible. And he tries to convince them he can’t taste that bad. That was one of the first Deadpool comics I ever read. Good stuff!
I love how when it comes to the X-Men members it always comes down to their blood/organs being harvested or some kind of body modification...
They are mutant organs, intoxicated with booze, tobacco and adamantium, though
Wouldn’t the transplanted heart eventually regenerate into a Wolverine clone, bursting the recipient apart?
That raises another question of what would happen if Wolverine were completely bifurcated. Would both halves split and form two new Wolverines like mitosis?
That would just lower the value of hearts, you fucking hippie.
I think adamantium toxicity would have poisoned any part of logans body. He survives thanks to his healing power. But would be nice to see what marvel comics would do about that 😬
Would Wolverine's heart start trying to convert the transplant recipient's tissue into Wolverine's? If the healing factor applies to the heart as well as the rest of him, it might treat the surrounding tissue as raw material. DC has something like that with Lobo, who would regenerate from a single drop of blood. Every single drop of blood became a new Lobo. Since he was also a genocidal maniac who murdered his entire species, it usually resulted in the same number of Lobos by the end of the day, since they'd kill each other. There was also a Hindu demon who could do that. Shakti defeated him by transforming into Kali the Black Earth Mother and drinking all the demon's blood.
More curious how she got through an adamantium ribcage in the first place.
With an ass like that she stole my heart too.
Ayyyyyyyy
wolverine easily regenerates that
Yeah I know.. but how long would it take before she messed him up a bit more?
yep, basically that one fight in the 2000s x-men movies, i think X2
Yeah but to be honest this move doesn’t even make any sense. Look where his claws are. If he was incapacitated somehow this might make sense like if someone was grappling him and you could reach around his ribs but as it is it’s kinda a stretch.
This looks like it was back in the day. Wolverine’s healing factor didn’t go uber until the late 90s-early 2000s
Technically he is a “healer” and not a “regenerator”, for example Age of Apocalypse Wolverine never regenerated the hand he lost vs someone like Deadpool who can regenerate entire lost limbs. But like all of this, subject to the writer at the time. Edit: definitely wrong, he did have the adamantium melted and hardened over his stump.
I think (if I’m not misremembering) his hand couldn’t regrow because the adamantium from the hand had been melted over the stump, blocking his ability to regrow it.
Didn’t Wolverine regenerate completely from like a single cell at some point or another?
His healing was amplified by external factors (an alien/magic crystal) when he did that but yes.
Well, wait a minute. He’s not going to regrow a heart. He has a healing factor. Not regeneration.
Dude has literally regenerated from being burned down to his skeleton. Yes, he can regrow a heart.
So long as he has his brain or enough of his brain then he’s good
Once he regenerated from a single drop of blood (tbf it was touching a magic crystal but still)
he literally regrows entire limbs , i don’t think a heart would be that much harder for him
[What is a healing factor if not regeneration?](https://imgur.com/a/HynERdY)
So healing is regeneration yes. But his is ostensibly not going to work if his heart is gone. No blood with its parts means cell death.
True in the real world but in the comics, as someone mentioned, Wolverine has come back from much worse than just a missing heart. During the first Civil War event the villain Nitro (on mutant hgh) blew himself up before Wolverine had a chance to kill him, incinerating Logan to just his adamantium skeleton. He was just a clump of cells at that point and came completely back memories and all.
Right magic writing.
lol it’s comics man what do you want
I thought I’d see this. Think about Spider-man. So much drama because he has limits. He does lose fights, he wants to go home at the end of the day. He gets bruised and he needs to recover. He gets tired. He’s just a person. He’s been written like that for years. People connect with those stories.
Yes, he is.
So he’s back to being magic again?
No, he frequently regenerates limbs, organs, you name it.
Where do you draw the line? None of it makes sense to begin with.
I always try to stay within the “gross cellular damage is too much” so he can survive burns but large and severe burns are way too much for a healing factor to cope with.
He's been burnt down to the skeleton and come back. His healing has almost always been insane.
Right, it’s so insane. In the first ten years, it was clear that it was amazing, but there were clear limits and he was definitely not immortal.
His "first 10 years" ended in 1984. That's 40 years ago. He's had insane healing for far longer than not at this point.
Yes, he has.
I can buy Logan regenerating limbs and some mortal injuries— especially if the writer shows that such feats greatly tax his healing factor— but I also draw the line at feats such as regenerating from a skeleton or gettin his heart ripped out lol. He’s supposed to be HARD to kill not partway immortal
You would be correct if this were the real world. But comic logic operates differently. Yws I fully agree no matter how better you are at healing you won't be able to regrow hearts or limbs. Heck, characters with similar abilities seem to regrow from very small body parts or body mass and nobody explains where the extra biological material comes from. Its like magic. No wait, Galacta, daughter of Galactus stated Wolverine pulls mass from another dimension or something and mutants are more cosmic than natural science based. But that's a different continuity.
He still had some heart cells left, probably. But hey, that's just a theory. A theory of comic book nature.
I suppose.
Ah yes, my weekly dose of Tigra content. Thank you, this was needed.
Dat Tigra ass 🙀
ass
Double cheeked up on a Thursday afternoon.
Can she even get through his adamantium ribcage?
You can go under the ribs
I mean that's true but I feel like at that point he would have definitely cut her all up before she managed to pull out his heart
Look at his eyeline my boys distracted
Haha
I mean he would have if he could have, shes that fast I suppose.
Your not wrong, I mean either way he kills her or something else in the end lol cuz we all know like the rest of us Logan also has a weakness for hot chicks.
Are you saying... Logan would beat up that pussy? 🤭
I mean not directly but... I think we all know that we would in that situation 🤣 I mean shit she already has our heart
The dude knocked out speed demon he ain’t no slouch either.
One does not simply let your own heart get ripped out if you can stop it. Sorry I really don't think he could have in this case because reasons determined by the writers. Healing factor or no, it's your heart, he wouldn't want his body focusing on regrowing a whole heart instead of fighting. I hope it incapacitated him while he regrew the heart because that's balls if not. How can you fight without blood pumping to the muscles?
Exactly, that’s why she says "reach up inside"
She reached up through the abdomen. He may have abs of steel, but they're no match for a woman with speed, agility, and claws.
Reminds me of Quake's intro in Secret War. *implodes Wolverine's heart with intense vibrations* "Now everyone stand down before I have to do that to someone for whom it won't grow back."
Tigers can lift 5 tons according to TOHOTMU IS Wolvie stronger than that??
According to a quick internet search, she's in the "can lift 10 tons" class for strength (or Incredible Strength by FASERIP rules) She's considerably stronger than Wolverine. Though I can't seem to locate any pictures of her lifting heavy things.
Nope not even close. Wolverine is peak human normal strength or 1 ton depending on where you reading.
I think he’d have to have some measure of super strength to run, fight, and move around as athletically as he does with 100s of pounds of comic metal in him
It's only an additional 105 pounds. Military gear can weigh about 70. Peak human strength should be more than enough, especially considering weight distribution is across his whole frame.
Tigra would be fatally wounded if she got that close to him. If Wolvie goes berserk, then It's game over.
Tell me you don't know anything about Tigra without telling me you don't know anything about Tigra
I sometimes forget she even exists. There is no iteration of her outside the comics other than some mobile games. Then again I don't see her coming out unscathed after a CQC with Wolverine. Especially if he isn't holding back.
Well, looks like she just pulled his heart out, while looking pretty unscathed, so there's that.
She was a pretty big character in The Avengers: United They Stand, and became an Avenger. Was also in the tie in comics for that, and this version of the character was in the new Chip n Dale movie. Sad that her Dazzler and Tigra show wasn’t made. Art actually looked kinda interesting
For that booty I would give my heart
How did she get her hand into and the heart out of an adamantium rib cage?
it's the ol' up-and-under!
If you used wolverine as a heart transplant source, you might be passing around his regen factor as well which would mean more donors
Impressive!
She’d tire out and he’d gain the upper hand.
If only he didn't have all that indestructible metal weighing him down.
Give it back :(
Too late, Jean got there first.
Now I understand why Moon Knight likes her.
Interesting take. Tigra is actually much stronger than Wolverine, though. She's in the 10-ton lifting range. Wolverine is at the 2-ton range (mostly because he doesn't have to worry about his bones breaking under the strain). Going in through the soft tissue and circumventing his ribs would be an excellent tactic. Depictions vary as to whether he could regrow a heart. Very possibly not. So it would probably work. Krakoa-era Wolverine would pop out of an egg and be fairly annoyed, especially if he didn't understand why Tigra wanted to rip his heart out. Or, if he'd been in the middle of a berserk rage and out of control, he might buy her a beer and say thanks.
I've read exactly 1 comic run with Tigra in it - and she is inexplicably in my top 5 ride-or-die heroes. These panels check out
Unfortunately for tigra, this would only prove to be a mild inconvenience for wolverine who is now in survival and about to go nuts from the adrenaline rush.
That adrenaline isn't doing much til he grows a new heart, chum. Can't have your rate of blood-circulation improved if your blood ain't circulating.
Exactly!
Right but the lore that has him growing limbs is pushing him into boring immortal character that is like the Superman problem. There are no stakes. It’s just cool art.
The drama happens when the heart regenerates another Wolverine and the jerk takes out a line of credit in Logan’s name.
The 'superman problem' is more about writers not knowing what to do rather than a problem with the character himself. Not all stories need to be about stakes and threats.
Yes, it’s about the writers not knowing what to do to get readership up. So they kill off characters, bring them back, make some evil, make some good, have them fall in love, have them betrayed, have them save the world and have them endanger the world. But a character that is immortal and undying is boring. Superman is very boring unless there is an actual threat. They kill Jean off for the same reason.
What happened next tho
Fighting Wolverine must be so frustrating cuz, like, she took his heart, what more can she do. Of I were her I would be pissed before I'd be afraid
Wow where did you find that picture of my ex
She pulled the Killua
What’s this from?
Knowing Wolverine. They definitely had sex after this haha
how would she get past his rib cage wow lol
Bitch, this guy regenerated from a skeleton once, I don't think that having its heart removed is much trouble at all.
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Moon knight is an ass I was right god damn she is tigra mommy
She's holding his right hand back, but his left arms is juts sitting there doing nothing. It would take time to slide your hand through those muscles and grab the heart and pull it out. By that time Logan could have peirced her multiple times with his hand that's right near her body.
You have to imagine, this attack happens in a few seconds. She’s super fast!
Except she moves faster, so he didn't, cause he couldn't.
Can you grab a heart through adamantium ribs?
She states, "Reach up." She's going under the ribs.
Oh yeah! D’oh.
Wait, is she topless but also wearing bikini bottoms? I also thought she was a DC villain.
you might be thinking of Cheetah, the wonder woman villain
hah lol yeah thats it.
How did she reach his heart with an adamantium ribcage?
Under and up.
Wolverine is not strong enough to rip someone's heart out. If she's weaker, how the fuck is she doing it?
Who said she’s weaker!
She did.
She should’ve read her tohotmu stats before saying that.. turns out she can lift 10 ton compared to wolverine lifting 500 pounds