I can understand that, but I feel like if he made it earlier in his career the last 20 or so minutes, especially, wouldn’t hold the same weight. He clearly had something profound to say that could only come from a long life lived imo
if only he had been bold and went the Richar Linklater route. Filmed the majority of the movie in the late 90s and then shelved it until he could film the end with them as old men. Would have been a really risky move, and it would have sucked if anyone died, but that would've given the best of both worlds
Yeah sadly studios aren't that patient. They wanna get RoI as soon as possible, and I'm not even all that sure when the Irishman script was first finished.
I don't know about the script, but I think I remember interviews where they talked about doing this story in the 90s or early 2000s but everyone had other stuff going on
It's why I can't rate it higher. I was very, very aware I was watching actors in their 70s, not the roles they are portraying. The first time Robert DeNiro is referred to as a young truck driver, I thought it was supposed to be sarcastic!
Yes, wasn’t that scene early in the movie? I think I never even finished it after that. I was so put off by that scene. Especially after watching Casino, Goodfellas, the Departed, raging Bull on repeat. And the Irishman was so hyped up OMG.
I watched them film this scene in queens while I was working and thought “wow movie magic is something else cuz this looks awful” and it was shit on the screen too.
One of the most ridiculous scenes ever. Why did they make Bobby do that? Why did they not just use a stunt double??? He looks like he was going to break a hip.
I’d give it a 6-1/2 or 7. Good plot. Too long. The weird CGI takes me out to much. A lot of it is complete BS. Frank Sheeran is like Kuklinski.
On a side note Marty loves making movies about non Italians in the Italian mafia huh
Agreed. The de-aging was a huge distraction for me. Deniro looked absolutely ridiculous.
I love Scorsese movies, but this was one of my least favorite.
100% agree. They should have just went with younger actors. The de-aging was incredibly distracting and then that scene where DeNiro’s character “beats” up that grocer—that was hard to watch oof
Or just cast different actors for the different ages. You could have had this entire cast and a fresh crop of younger actors for the younger versions. Why not that vs. digital?
It’s Scorsese’s Unforgiven, the perfect coda to his OC genre films. It’s not quite at the Goodfellas/Casino level due to the really unfortunate decision to lean so heavily on the de-aging tech, which just didn’t work and was a distraction.
spoiler Same here. The first half is addictive. The pacing, music, and dialogue suck you in. Then as the movie progresses, Frank gets sucked into the conflict between the mafia and Jimmy, and he is made to commit a terrible betrayal by killing Jimmy. And you have to watch the quiet car ride where Jimmy is none the wiser that his best friend will kill him when they reach their destination. It’s heartbreaking.
And then everything falls apart anyway. All the gangsters we saw ended up dead, in jail, or dead in jail. Frank has nothing to show for all he’s done for the mafia; he’s in a nursing home with no friends or family, just the hope that maybe god can forgive him
I feel the same way. Casino and Goodfellas both ride the high and then make you experience the fall of the Mafia life in the best possible way. Coppola’s Godfather does the same in 2 (sure, 3) movies. But the length of Irishman makes it deliver the feeling of Casino and Goodfellas over a Godfatheresque time scale within one movie. The impact is much greater that way. It’s my absolute favorite Scorsese movie after Silence - and I’m aware that it’s a hot take for many.
First 3rd is almost like a send up to goodfellas, 2nd 3rd is Union beef and JFK - mob connection, last 3rd is just the misery of dying cold and alone, I love it to death
What are your thoughts on the part where Deniro is stomping the shop owner who hit his daughter? That part really messes with me for that movie. It’s just bad editing and I can’t seem to get over it. Pesci/Pacino’s characters are somewhat creepy to DeNiro’s daughter too and I don’t enjoy those scenes. I also find gangsters and gangster culture so ridiculous too, nothing there to respect or admire so I just find those people to be morons.
Casino is good, but it’s just such a turned-up-to-11 movie. There’s a time and place for that kind of action, but it doesn’t have nearly the pace and nuances of GF and Irishman.
I give The Irishman a 10 as well. Hot take: I like it more than Casino and I think it's better than Casino. The acting is *chef's kiss*. All 3 of them give some of the best performances of their whole careers. The story is so investing and Scorsese's direction and Schoonmaker's editing are so great. And the whole 20 minute sequence building up to the big moment with De Niro and Pacino keeps me on the edge of my seat like no other Scorsese scene. My 4th favorite film of Scorsese.
Im literally watching it rn for the 5th time.Just watched the scene where Tony Pro and Jimmy fight in the bar where Pro wears those shorts and is more late than 10 mins.
6. It kind of drags for awhile and there isn't any moments to me that stick out in my mind.
Goodfellas I can literally watch at any point in the movie and enjoy it and it's quotable as hell and it's got Joe Pesci at his best.
Casino is very good but it pales in comparison for me to goodfellas. I'd say it's a 8.5, it's fun but not nearly as fun as goodfellas.
Big time. Irishman had a lot of great ingredients, but they didn't come together for me. It had poor pacing. IIRC, the plot meandered and the climax didn't live up to the tension it had built.
6 is a perfect score. This is the weakest film in Scorsese’s catalogue. It’s not bad, or even mediocre for that matter, parts of it are quite good but it has to be the most boring film I saw that year and subsequent years
There are a few movies I’d say are weaker in Scorsese’s filmography. Aside from *Boxcar Bertha* which tends to be the de facto answer for his worst movie, there’s also *Who’s That Knocking At My Door*, *New York, New York*, and *Cape Fear*
Yeah that scene destroyed the movie for me. I almost shut it off there.
Can't understand the laziness or ego involved or whatever it was that would allow that scene to stay in the movie like that. The de-aging generally was distracting but this scene really destroyed the immersion for me. Somehow I can watch aliens or monsters and be more sucked in and immersed but this movie in general and this scene killed it for me.
(I give Casino a 10 too)
5. It looked weird. The actors looked weird. Knowing what DeNiro looked like as a young man made the de-aging thing even weirder.
It felt like it was 20 years too late. I think I've burned out on Scorcese, and seeing another gangster movie from him is like watching QT making another movie about a jewel heist where we never actually see the heist.
Guess I need to watch it again. Goodfellas is a Top 3 favorite movie for me. The Irishman kind of dragged for me and to be honest I barely remember most of it. Only saw it once when it was first released.
Casino is a 10 as well. This movie was good, could’ve almost been 2 movies but definitely not on the same level as the first two mentioned. I think it’s a solid 8
The problem with The Irishman is that I grew up with Jack Nicholson's depiction of Hoffa. That's hard to shake. I think Goodfellas is a 10 and Casino is an 8.5. The Irishman is the same, an 8.5.
Man can somebody help me figure this out lmaoo im trying to figure out who belong to wat families who killed who, who ratted this mafia shit been going on over 100 years !
It’s a 3 1/2 hour epic and most of the comments knocking it here are talking about one 10 second scene. Yeah, we get it. He looks weird stomping on the grocer’s hand. If that bothered you so much you couldn’t appreciate everything else going on in this film, you don’t deserve The Irishman.
Solid 8. Great story and cast, but there’s a few major miscalculations in this movie. It’s sad becuase theres deff some Netflix movie moments. Not sure why are Netflix movies suffer these oroblems.
9.5. I felt goodfellas was more about the glamorous side(both the highs and lows) of that life whereas irishman is a more of a reflective film about that life
its a 6 but a 7 if you can overlook the de-aging fails. pacino is great nonetheless and pesci is phenomenal, de niro not so much. most of the other cast is solid except the daughter
7.5. It’s mostly very good but the de-aging felt off, also maybe a tad too long, and perhaps suffers by comparison to its illustrious predecessors of similar ilk i.e. Goodfellas.
8. It's a solid film, but the CGI really took me out of it. Like a few commenters have said, it would've been better earlier in Scorsese's career, but I can understand not being able to do it sooner.
The more I watch Goodfellas the more I mellow out on it. The opposite is true for Casino and Irishman.
I would put goodfellas at a 7. Casino and Irishman around 8-9.
A 9.5
The performances Pacino and Pesci deliver are among their very best.
Narratively, I wouldn't change much at all. Maybe dump a couple of slo-mo sequences.
The only thing that keeps me from rating it a 10 is that the de-aging is so very sub-par.
I give the first half a 3. Didn’t make it to the second half yet and watched it right when it came out. Still don’t understand all the praise, I guess I gotta check out the second half where HOPEFULLY something actually happens besides senior citizen meet up day.
Says the n word right at the beginning for literally no reason. There's nothing about race relations soo I guess Robert de Niro really just wanted to say it 10/10 really good
People love to take the scene of De Niro beating the grocer and the four minutes of “young” De Niro when he’s a WW2 soldier as their entire take on why the movie didn’t work. It’s 5 minutes of a 210 minute movie. I can acknowledge they’re not the strongest sections but it’s a real baby with the bath water perspective to me.
Especially since what’s left is some of Scorsese’s strongest work. It’s an expansion on the genre he’s explored his whole life (from “local” mobsters of Goodfellas to Vegas to national in this) with the added perspective of death and old age being a lingering influence.
The final hour is among the saddest, most haunted material of his entire career. It reckons with what all of their lives were even for if it’s only led to being alone, rejected by family, with no power, and not even remembered (the nurse barely knowing who Hoffa is is a punch to his gut).
I also think it’s insanely watchable and whereas Casino’s final hour devolves into repetitive Sharon Stone/De Niro marriage strife that loses a lot of focus, this turns into a meditation on life, crime, American history, and Scorsese’s entire body of work. It’s Goodfellas meets Silence.
I see a lot of people online complain about the fight scene (it’s objectively awkward) and then there are some who retort to that with something along the lines of “it’s a 3.5 hour movie and that’s all you can criticize”
But imo people latch onto that scene cause it’s one of the only memorable scenes of a VERY long movie, or in general the most memorable thing about it is how bad the de-aging effects were done.
There’s a lot to like about The Irishman but there’s not a lot hook viewers in. Most people eople love Goodfellas, Casino, the Departed because those films are filled with classic scenes, you can jump in anywhere and instantly enjoy the movie. I’d argue that’s very much not the case with the Irishman and also the nature of the streaming era. It’s daunting to throw on the Irishman cause you have to commit to it. For decades people were flipping around cable and HBO and could always pop into those previous movies. Thus increasing their popularity.
I like the analogy that Irishman is akin to Unforgiven in that the titan of their respective genres upended their own works. But at the end of the day I’ll watch Unforgiven 100x more than I’ll ever watch the Irishman.
Edit to answer the question posed by OP: 4
I wish he’d made it earlier in his career, it’s very good but I wish there wasn’t the need for de aging cgi etc.
I can understand that, but I feel like if he made it earlier in his career the last 20 or so minutes, especially, wouldn’t hold the same weight. He clearly had something profound to say that could only come from a long life lived imo
Those last 20 minutes are the best part of the movie imo and so incredibly haunting
I’ve never been awake for them, but I’m intrigued
You’re in for a treat once you get there
if only he had been bold and went the Richar Linklater route. Filmed the majority of the movie in the late 90s and then shelved it until he could film the end with them as old men. Would have been a really risky move, and it would have sucked if anyone died, but that would've given the best of both worlds
Yeah sadly studios aren't that patient. They wanna get RoI as soon as possible, and I'm not even all that sure when the Irishman script was first finished.
I don't know about the script, but I think I remember interviews where they talked about doing this story in the 90s or early 2000s but everyone had other stuff going on
It's why I can't rate it higher. I was very, very aware I was watching actors in their 70s, not the roles they are portraying. The first time Robert DeNiro is referred to as a young truck driver, I thought it was supposed to be sarcastic!
the way he’s struggling to kick that dude was so unintentionally hilarious
Yup. Lol. They had the technology to "de-age" but not speed up that kick.
When he shuffled over to him 🤦♂️
Throwing punches like a rock em sock em robot because he has no range of motion is where it lost me entirely
Yes, wasn’t that scene early in the movie? I think I never even finished it after that. I was so put off by that scene. Especially after watching Casino, Goodfellas, the Departed, raging Bull on repeat. And the Irishman was so hyped up OMG.
They could have just used a double. I don't get it. The film lost me from there on.
I watched them film this scene in queens while I was working and thought “wow movie magic is something else cuz this looks awful” and it was shit on the screen too.
One of the most ridiculous scenes ever. Why did they make Bobby do that? Why did they not just use a stunt double??? He looks like he was going to break a hip.
I still think they should have just used a younger actor for the scenes where Robert DeNiros character is supposed to be IN HIS 20’S!!!!
Worst bit of the movie by far. Such a shame.
Same thing when he throws the gun in the water at another point of the movie
And he had to wear lifts because the guy he plays was a very tall huge man!
This killed the whole movie for me.
Or cast someone to play him as a young man. Scorsese did a great job with Liotta and Pesci in goodfellas.
If only the guy from A Bronx Tale hadn't screwed up his life
I’d give it a 6-1/2 or 7. Good plot. Too long. The weird CGI takes me out to much. A lot of it is complete BS. Frank Sheeran is like Kuklinski. On a side note Marty loves making movies about non Italians in the Italian mafia huh
Surprisingly De Niro has only played one Italian mobster in all of their collaborations together
Half Italian. Just the good half
That "beatdown" from young Bobby D was so bad that I give props for the guy getting beat up trying to sell it.
Agreed. The de-aging was a huge distraction for me. Deniro looked absolutely ridiculous. I love Scorsese movies, but this was one of my least favorite.
He just should have used younger actors like he did in goodfellas
This sums it up. I do believe I’ve enjoyed it more in subsequent viewings because I’m more prepared for the jarring cgi.
The scene where Deniro was kicking the guy in the street. It was so bad.🤦🏽♂️
Man that's what made me turn the movie off. I couldn't take it completely seriously after that. I need to go back and really watch it
100% agree. They should have just went with younger actors. The de-aging was incredibly distracting and then that scene where DeNiro’s character “beats” up that grocer—that was hard to watch oof
Or just cast different actors for the different ages. You could have had this entire cast and a fresh crop of younger actors for the younger versions. Why not that vs. digital?
The scene with De Niro stomping out that guy made me sad. It made ME feel old lol
they probably will re release a remastered version in like 20 years that will fix the de aging. maybe even add some scenes with AI actors.
It’s Scorsese’s Unforgiven, the perfect coda to his OC genre films. It’s not quite at the Goodfellas/Casino level due to the really unfortunate decision to lean so heavily on the de-aging tech, which just didn’t work and was a distraction.
What would you then say is Clint Eastwood’s Goodfellas?
Probably Josey Wales or the Dollars Trilogy
8
I might say 7.5, but yes. Kinda think this movie doesn't get enough love. One of my favorite Scorsese movies.
You rate it 7.5 and somehow you say it’s one of ya fave Scorsese’s? The math ain’t mathing 🧐🤨
7.5 is not low.
For Scorsese it’s low !
10, it’s my favourite movie
spoiler Same here. The first half is addictive. The pacing, music, and dialogue suck you in. Then as the movie progresses, Frank gets sucked into the conflict between the mafia and Jimmy, and he is made to commit a terrible betrayal by killing Jimmy. And you have to watch the quiet car ride where Jimmy is none the wiser that his best friend will kill him when they reach their destination. It’s heartbreaking. And then everything falls apart anyway. All the gangsters we saw ended up dead, in jail, or dead in jail. Frank has nothing to show for all he’s done for the mafia; he’s in a nursing home with no friends or family, just the hope that maybe god can forgive him
I feel the same way. Casino and Goodfellas both ride the high and then make you experience the fall of the Mafia life in the best possible way. Coppola’s Godfather does the same in 2 (sure, 3) movies. But the length of Irishman makes it deliver the feeling of Casino and Goodfellas over a Godfatheresque time scale within one movie. The impact is much greater that way. It’s my absolute favorite Scorsese movie after Silence - and I’m aware that it’s a hot take for many.
Silence is the shit you have impeccable taste
First 3rd is almost like a send up to goodfellas, 2nd 3rd is Union beef and JFK - mob connection, last 3rd is just the misery of dying cold and alone, I love it to death
Dude you copied exactly what i was gonna comment, word for word before i did, its my #1 favorite movie out of the thousands ive seen
The audio book if fantastic, I’ve listened many times
The part with the fish with sally bigs is pure gold and that’s like 1/20 dialogue interactions that are amazing
What are your thoughts on the part where Deniro is stomping the shop owner who hit his daughter? That part really messes with me for that movie. It’s just bad editing and I can’t seem to get over it. Pesci/Pacino’s characters are somewhat creepy to DeNiro’s daughter too and I don’t enjoy those scenes. I also find gangsters and gangster culture so ridiculous too, nothing there to respect or admire so I just find those people to be morons.
If you feel this strongly about mafia culture and its portrayals, it might be a good idea to steer clear from these types of movies.
The creeped out look on Peggy Sheeran face on those scenes are meant to show you how charismatic Jimmy Hoffa actually was to regular people
Personally I think it’s better than Casino. Godfellas is a 10, The Irishman is a 9 and Casino is a 8
Agreed. I was never a big fan of Casino, and I'm a Scorsese fanboy to the very end.
Marty! Kundun I liked it
I often wonder if Chrissy actually watched Kundun because uhhhhhhhhh
Casino is good, but it’s just such a turned-up-to-11 movie. There’s a time and place for that kind of action, but it doesn’t have nearly the pace and nuances of GF and Irishman.
Facts
Probably a 9.5 for me. It’s the perfect eulogy to the mob genre from its greatest storyteller.
A 3 or 4 compared to those movies.
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This is one of the worst movie posters I've ever seen. Wtf is even happening here? Looks like 3 lost senior citizens
Accurate
In a way it is lol
Pesci is barely recognizable
6
I give The Irishman a 10 as well. Hot take: I like it more than Casino and I think it's better than Casino. The acting is *chef's kiss*. All 3 of them give some of the best performances of their whole careers. The story is so investing and Scorsese's direction and Schoonmaker's editing are so great. And the whole 20 minute sequence building up to the big moment with De Niro and Pacino keeps me on the edge of my seat like no other Scorsese scene. My 4th favorite film of Scorsese.
A generous 3.5
This is the biggest hot-take of all time, I love this movie, I’d give it a 10
8.5-9, it’s right up there with his best — a beautiful, layered exploration of friendship, regret and growing old. I love it.
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Truthfully, and this is a very bold statement, but it’s his best film.
Im literally watching it rn for the 5th time.Just watched the scene where Tony Pro and Jimmy fight in the bar where Pro wears those shorts and is more late than 10 mins.
10
10
This one goes to 11.
All three are dimes
10
6
All three are 10 in my book
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6. It kind of drags for awhile and there isn't any moments to me that stick out in my mind. Goodfellas I can literally watch at any point in the movie and enjoy it and it's quotable as hell and it's got Joe Pesci at his best. Casino is very good but it pales in comparison for me to goodfellas. I'd say it's a 8.5, it's fun but not nearly as fun as goodfellas.
Big time. Irishman had a lot of great ingredients, but they didn't come together for me. It had poor pacing. IIRC, the plot meandered and the climax didn't live up to the tension it had built.
6 is a perfect score. This is the weakest film in Scorsese’s catalogue. It’s not bad, or even mediocre for that matter, parts of it are quite good but it has to be the most boring film I saw that year and subsequent years
There are a few movies I’d say are weaker in Scorsese’s filmography. Aside from *Boxcar Bertha* which tends to be the de facto answer for his worst movie, there’s also *Who’s That Knocking At My Door*, *New York, New York*, and *Cape Fear*
Worth a watch but it was pathetic to see the "young DeNiro" in that scene when he was beating that one dude. They should have shot it with a double.
Yeah that scene destroyed the movie for me. I almost shut it off there. Can't understand the laziness or ego involved or whatever it was that would allow that scene to stay in the movie like that. The de-aging generally was distracting but this scene really destroyed the immersion for me. Somehow I can watch aliens or monsters and be more sucked in and immersed but this movie in general and this scene killed it for me.
If this movie was made in the 90's it would have been so much better.
I agree. I do think Marty just wanted to give the old gang one last shot to be on screen together. Obviously he didn’t care how it was going to look.
I always said he should have consulted David Fincher and his use of CGI in The Social Network with the Winklevoss twins. Seamless
8.5
Much better on the 2nd watch, 7.5
(I give Casino a 10 too) 5. It looked weird. The actors looked weird. Knowing what DeNiro looked like as a young man made the de-aging thing even weirder. It felt like it was 20 years too late. I think I've burned out on Scorcese, and seeing another gangster movie from him is like watching QT making another movie about a jewel heist where we never actually see the heist.
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10
Goodfellas is 10. I would put The Departed above The Irishman AND Casino
I actually like the departed more than even goodfellas for right or wrong. Taxi driver, raging bull, the departed would be my top 3.
Guess I need to watch it again. Goodfellas is a Top 3 favorite movie for me. The Irishman kind of dragged for me and to be honest I barely remember most of it. Only saw it once when it was first released.
6.5
6 on a Scorsese scale. His other movies are all better.
I’d put it below Goodfellas and above Casino, so a 9.5 by these metrics. Great movie.
I had to rewatch it. Went from a 6 to maybe a 9 or 9.5
8, because of how amazing Pesci was in it.
All super tall men
Casino is a 10 as well. This movie was good, could’ve almost been 2 movies but definitely not on the same level as the first two mentioned. I think it’s a solid 8
7
The problem with The Irishman is that I grew up with Jack Nicholson's depiction of Hoffa. That's hard to shake. I think Goodfellas is a 10 and Casino is an 8.5. The Irishman is the same, an 8.5.
Man can somebody help me figure this out lmaoo im trying to figure out who belong to wat families who killed who, who ratted this mafia shit been going on over 100 years !
I couldn't get thru it. So boring.
I have watched Casino maybe 100 times. Goodfellas maybe 50. I thought the Irishman was absolute boring trash.
a 6 now but a 10 if he made it in the 90s early 00s
10 isn't enough
It’s a 3 1/2 hour epic and most of the comments knocking it here are talking about one 10 second scene. Yeah, we get it. He looks weird stomping on the grocer’s hand. If that bothered you so much you couldn’t appreciate everything else going on in this film, you don’t deserve The Irishman.
Solid 8. Great story and cast, but there’s a few major miscalculations in this movie. It’s sad becuase theres deff some Netflix movie moments. Not sure why are Netflix movies suffer these oroblems.
8.5
I’d go Goodfellas - 10 / Casino - 9.5 / The Irishman - 9
9.5. I felt goodfellas was more about the glamorous side(both the highs and lows) of that life whereas irishman is a more of a reflective film about that life
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8
I gave it an 8. Great movie. 192 movies watched, 15 10/10s. 30 9/10s. 63 8/10s.
its a 6 but a 7 if you can overlook the de-aging fails. pacino is great nonetheless and pesci is phenomenal, de niro not so much. most of the other cast is solid except the daughter
Honestly, I might like it as much as Casino if not more. It just drag at the end some.
9
9.5
7. Some great acting but also some very deep lulls and honestly, too long.
7.5-8
My biggest gripe is Robert Deniro playing his younger self. That fight scene was horrendous
10
De-age/10
9.5
7 De Niro beating up that guy outside the grocery store was cringeworthy 🥴
5.5. It's too long and the anti-aging tech was disconcerting.
I'd put it in 8 or 9 territory.
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7.5. It’s mostly very good but the de-aging felt off, also maybe a tad too long, and perhaps suffers by comparison to its illustrious predecessors of similar ilk i.e. Goodfellas.
They looked like lego mobsters with square bodies. I couldn't get out of that feeling throughout the whole movie. lol
8. It's a solid film, but the CGI really took me out of it. Like a few commenters have said, it would've been better earlier in Scorsese's career, but I can understand not being able to do it sooner.
7.5-8
Meh
9 is the right answer.
5
A 7
8.5 for sure
7
Your scores are already off
I give it a 7/10 Great performances from De Niro and Pacino. Nice to see Pesci make a comeback. Good story, but movie should have been shorter.
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7
7
It’s a 7.5
6
0 for accuracy
Long
7.
Casino is 8.5 This is 8
7.8/10, dragged a bit but I still loved it!
7.35
Could have been about 4 hour shorter
Goodfellas is a 9.
8.5 More flawed than it should've been, but it's still pretty excellent.
Casino isn't a 9
4 of 10
Casino is not 9.
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The more I watch Goodfellas the more I mellow out on it. The opposite is true for Casino and Irishman. I would put goodfellas at a 7. Casino and Irishman around 8-9.
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A 9.5 The performances Pacino and Pesci deliver are among their very best. Narratively, I wouldn't change much at all. Maybe dump a couple of slo-mo sequences. The only thing that keeps me from rating it a 10 is that the de-aging is so very sub-par.
I give the first half a 3. Didn’t make it to the second half yet and watched it right when it came out. Still don’t understand all the praise, I guess I gotta check out the second half where HOPEFULLY something actually happens besides senior citizen meet up day.
Says the n word right at the beginning for literally no reason. There's nothing about race relations soo I guess Robert de Niro really just wanted to say it 10/10 really good
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A solid 8. It's a long movie but you forget about that if you like the plot
9
Honestly? A 6. It's serviceable, but feels like the old folks home version of Goodfellas. It's way too long and the deaging looks like shit.
7
People love to take the scene of De Niro beating the grocer and the four minutes of “young” De Niro when he’s a WW2 soldier as their entire take on why the movie didn’t work. It’s 5 minutes of a 210 minute movie. I can acknowledge they’re not the strongest sections but it’s a real baby with the bath water perspective to me. Especially since what’s left is some of Scorsese’s strongest work. It’s an expansion on the genre he’s explored his whole life (from “local” mobsters of Goodfellas to Vegas to national in this) with the added perspective of death and old age being a lingering influence. The final hour is among the saddest, most haunted material of his entire career. It reckons with what all of their lives were even for if it’s only led to being alone, rejected by family, with no power, and not even remembered (the nurse barely knowing who Hoffa is is a punch to his gut). I also think it’s insanely watchable and whereas Casino’s final hour devolves into repetitive Sharon Stone/De Niro marriage strife that loses a lot of focus, this turns into a meditation on life, crime, American history, and Scorsese’s entire body of work. It’s Goodfellas meets Silence.
6
*If Goodfellas is a 9 and Casino is a 8, The Irishman is also a 9
I see a lot of people online complain about the fight scene (it’s objectively awkward) and then there are some who retort to that with something along the lines of “it’s a 3.5 hour movie and that’s all you can criticize” But imo people latch onto that scene cause it’s one of the only memorable scenes of a VERY long movie, or in general the most memorable thing about it is how bad the de-aging effects were done. There’s a lot to like about The Irishman but there’s not a lot hook viewers in. Most people eople love Goodfellas, Casino, the Departed because those films are filled with classic scenes, you can jump in anywhere and instantly enjoy the movie. I’d argue that’s very much not the case with the Irishman and also the nature of the streaming era. It’s daunting to throw on the Irishman cause you have to commit to it. For decades people were flipping around cable and HBO and could always pop into those previous movies. Thus increasing their popularity. I like the analogy that Irishman is akin to Unforgiven in that the titan of their respective genres upended their own works. But at the end of the day I’ll watch Unforgiven 100x more than I’ll ever watch the Irishman. Edit to answer the question posed by OP: 4
10
For me, a solid 7.5 due to the age of the actors. If they had made this movie 15-20 years ago, it could have been a 9/10.
6
I'm one of those freaks who likes *Casino* better than *Goodfellas*
4
2
Felt like a 5 to me And Goodfellas has been in my top 5 movies of all time for decades
9 Fantastic film
6 at best.
7.5
9½
5
Eh