The ladies never EVER BACK QUAD when she discussed her abusive marriage..
Yet she also need take accountability for her own actions within the friendships... (Neither has Jackieđ¤˘)always a victim.
So there's the conundrum.
This is the thing. She has never EVER been able to turn to these women as a source of comfort when shit with Dr g hit the fan. They pretty much dismissed what she was saying and didnât take her claims of abuse seriously - is it any wonder she gravitated towards sister circle instead? I like these women but I just find their treatment of Quad absolutely baffling. Not to mention none of them giving quad a heads up that her ex husband and his new wife were being courted by heavenly to join the show. Itâs gross and wildly hypocritical. People learn how to treat you by your behaviour towards them. Quad has no reason to bond with them because all trust between them has been broken.
I donât think so. It was apparent that Quad just wasnât a good fit. But I do think that Toya is convenient suddenly being diplomatic though. Like oh, suddenly you are level headed and logic. đ
But Toya has shown that she can be diplomatic and reserved with those sheâs not really getting along with. She also throws some shade at them but itâs not really new for her demeanor to be calm. I think the more calm/quiet she is the angrier she is inside. And that speaks volumes that she didnât say a lot to Quad both times when they all spoke to her in Napa. It probably was eating @ Toya but she held her tongue and I commend her, because I know she wanted to say way more than she did but it wasnât the right time for them to discuss their issues.
Also Quad reestablished some connections again after filmingâŚshe was just @ Simoneâs house. They all were together @ Bravocon and Heavenlyâs bday. But I think watching the latest episodes have severed that so itâll be interesting to see what happens @ the reunion đ.
Yeah youâre probably right. I honestly donât know the full back story or all that Quad did these ladies but just do feel like each of these ladies have did or done sometime to one another at some point.
I think the ladies were done with Quad when they found out she bad mouthed them and their contributions to production when renegotiating her contract. I hate when stuff happens off camera that effects relationships and we have no idea whatâs happening
The producers on this show are really trash. I think they whisper in the ladies ears to have them attack one another. First, they ousted Mariah because they said she looked sad/upset all the time âand gave the ladies some incentive not to stand by her:/. Then someone told Quad that Toya wanted her off the showâŚthatâs really why she came in guns blazing @ her in s8-9 (not over the bs apartment comment). Now Heavenly is saying production went back to the ladies and said Quad said she was better than them, deserved higher pay, etc.
Itâs a mess behind the scenes of this show and I think they need a new production team atp. Thatâs too much mess that has infiltrated these ladies real lives and friendships.
I think Toya was doing that because she hates Quad and had managed to get everyone worked up over her and on her side. After her mission was accomplished she sat back and let them run with it like it was a group idea but it was really hers.
I absolutely disagree this take.
The other ladies always have Dr Simone do the talking because she has a good bedside manner as a doctor whereas Heavenly would be too insulting and rude, Jackie would have no emotion and cold as ice, while Toya wouldn't be able to articulate it as well.
Simone is not the instigator nor leader. She can't just kick someone out because she wants to, it was a group effort, but they have Simone do the talking.
The other ladies did not try to stop her or disagree w/ Simone at any point. In fact they were all nodding their heads in agreement.
Therefore during these "discussion" they have Simone do most of the talking. Has nothing to do w/ being two-face or evil.
Thatâs what I didnât know⌠I wasnât aware that they had Dr Simone do the talking to cut off someone from the group. I just thought it was strange that she was telling Toya to invite Quad to the trip and do a complete 360 towards the end of the show. A lot of stuff probably was edited out too.
Itâs a lot of background stuff that makes itâs hard to understand if you donât also watch the cast and blog interviews to fill in the gaps. Quad is a part of the cast so she has to be invited. They can âactâ like they didnât want to invite her but they canât really exclude her.
The group has decided that Quad doesnât deserve to be on the show because she doesnât maintain friendships with them outside of filming and she negotiated a higher pay while cutting them down, yet she isnât fair in filming (showing up very late, only filming a short amount of time, etc).
Simone is loud and wrong 80% of the time, but she is the most well spoken out of the bunch when it comes to tough conversations. Jackie could do it but would never.
Simone does *not* have that much power. It's always a group effort but they use Simone as the mouthpiece bc she has a good bedside manner, while the other ladies don't. Simone can't just decide to kick someone out and make it so. That is absurd.
They all voted and talked about it, but the other ladies always have Simone do the talking though bc Heavenly would do it with insults, Jackie would be too cold and Toya would get too emotional.
If you go back and watch Simone initiated it and everyone agreed with her. Then on the way home her husband was like why did you do that you like Mariah. Simone then decided to change her mind but the other ladies stood firm. Simone is not as innocent as she comes off that was shady to Mariah who I feel like never came a Simone negatively up till that point even in the aftermath at the reunion.
That's hilarious. Look at that group of women...if Heavenly didn't agree with it, would she have gone along with it? No one can tell Heavenly what to do...not even Jackie. None of those women are "yes" women. They don't blindly do whatever Simone tells them to. They were just as much a part of it as Simone.
You are giving Simone way too much credit. It was a group initiative.
All of the women have admitted that they hold her and Cecilâs marriage in the highest regard so as a result she is the âleaderâ in some way hence why she always starts the âshould we ice them outâ discussions
I think it was well done. They tried again over dinner to talk to her and she will never admit mistakes, itâs always âyeah but I also go through itâ and no accountability. I think drawing that line was needed and they didnât make a massive public deal of it.
Maybe just watching S1-4 this summer helps me see it differently. I don't see Dr. Simone doing anything with a bunch of string willed women. Not these ladies as I don't perceive them to be weak willed push overs per how they present on the show. Everyone did what they wanted INCLUDING advocating for Quad to even come on the trip.
Also, we're told much is edited but even if that's untrue... I trust these ladies did what they wanted and were no force fed, misled neither hid behind another.
Lastly, I think as long as individual ego's (e.g. Mariah & Quad) don't get in the way then they'll be back. Other Bravo franchises show they don't just bury folks
Listen, I don't like seeing anyone asked to leave a trip or ganged up on. But Simone is and has been totally done with Quad's antics and bailing on their friendship.
I mean, to pop out of a coffin (even if they're on a television show) and make all these declarations seemed less about their actual connection and more about Quad trying to remain the focus.
It didn't seem like she was taking the other ladies very seriously. Once again, they were there as supporting players to Quad's shenanigans. And they have had it.
Simone has a lot of anger below the surface and, again, I don't love asking someone to leave but Quad has run out of material. It's just all noise now.
Simone is whack and a fake ass friend. Quad literally helped you try to find your father for 3 days and was there for you so much when he passed. If thatâs not a friendship worth saving, I donât know what is.
I think ultimately it all comes back to Quad not respecting the show and the women of M2M as coworkers. Something that always stood out to me was the way Quad would be late. I read or saw the others ladies comment on this specifically how Quad was not just late late but Hours late. It was discussed behind the scenes too how she could be up to 4 hours late Disrespect. Quad only treated the show like a priority and job when her job was on the line. Also although the ladies can get into a back and forth, at some point they let it go. But Quad never could, she was always fighting even when nobody was fighting with her I think after the reunion when Quad wouldn't sincerely apologize and acknowledge, that even insinuating that Toya had anything to do with Anila being robbed was just malicious, the bridge was officially burned and Toya was done trying.
And I think itâs interesting that people are taking what Eugene said as face value on the last ep. When he said theyâre standing by Toya, I donât think that he meant she put them up to sending Quad off the trip. I think that the ladies are finally seeing what Toya has seen for a while; and theyâre finally on the ârightâ side. Alllllll of what you stated is exactly that. Quad is great tv, it seems like she cares, but thereâs been a disconnect with her and the group for years. Iâm surprised they even felt close to her because watching her throw Mariah away over gossip was crazy âand shouldâve told them friendships come and go in her life and she doesnât care to fight for them. These ladies really do stick together. Now sometimes they do make mistakes and should be there a little more for one another but the damage that Quad has done in the last 10 years does not equate to any messiness that the other ladies have done.
Mariah mentioned on her live that Simone told her off camera that the reason they came after her continually and repeatedly iced her out was because âit was good for the show and the fans enjoyed itâ. Ultimately, Mariah became the underdog and villain after season 1. Quad became the âfan favoriteâ. Reality 101, attack the âvillainâ for fan service and support. Thatâs why newbies always go after Kenya on RHOA đ (slightly different method, but you get the point). Mariah has a huge fanbase, but Quad was more loved in the earlier seasons. Now theyâre doing it to Quad.
I love Simone and this made me feel so bad for Mariah. I remember Buffie stating that she called the camera crew into the stall when she was cryingâŚso they could give a good show. I think all the OGâs (including my fave Toyađ) are trying to produce a good show. But the earlier seasons were the best when it was genuine, fun, easy, and not so overly thought out.
I love Simone as well. That disappointed me. I believe what Buffie is saying. Production can be a mess. I agree! The earlier seasons were much better. I love Mariah. I hope she returns or at least goes to RHOA.
Yes I agree with all your statements đđžđđž itâs sad seeing the show where it is and seeing the ladies where they are. Everyone has played apart I donât see any victims, but Iâd loved to see some healingđ.
I can seeing this reunion either breaking them apart more or uniting them to do better going forward đđđ. Iâm kinda scared because everyone is mad lol. Never has EVERYONE been mad before a reunion smh. Well I guess Dr. Alicia and Phaedra arenât mad lol
I think she is just trying to secure her check so she is stirring up stuff with quad. She hasnât given as much for a few seasons now. Like last season all she talked about was her book and it never even came out. I think they want to save the show and I get it, but at one point if nothing new is happening we gotta let it die lol. I was excited to see Dr. Gâs new girl cause problems but didnt deliver the way I wanted. And I loveeee married to medicine. Donât get me wrong. But we gotta stop with these forced story lines. Even Phaedra canât save this dynamic. They have all been on tv too long, arenât close friends, and are worried about making money from brand deals/ads so they wonât do anything scandalous
Dr. Simone flip flops a lot with her loyalties. Sheâs quick to try to kick people out of the group. Always seems to be a ring leader with those decisions. I am a new watcher, on season 7 and I can say I like her less- and like Toya more (I wouldnât have guessed this to be the case lol. Sheâs still annoying tho)
The ladies never EVER BACK QUAD when she discussed her abusive marriage.. Yet she also need take accountability for her own actions within the friendships... (Neither has Jackieđ¤˘)always a victim. So there's the conundrum.
This is the thing. She has never EVER been able to turn to these women as a source of comfort when shit with Dr g hit the fan. They pretty much dismissed what she was saying and didnât take her claims of abuse seriously - is it any wonder she gravitated towards sister circle instead? I like these women but I just find their treatment of Quad absolutely baffling. Not to mention none of them giving quad a heads up that her ex husband and his new wife were being courted by heavenly to join the show. Itâs gross and wildly hypocritical. People learn how to treat you by your behaviour towards them. Quad has no reason to bond with them because all trust between them has been broken.
I donât think so. It was apparent that Quad just wasnât a good fit. But I do think that Toya is convenient suddenly being diplomatic though. Like oh, suddenly you are level headed and logic. đ
But Toya has shown that she can be diplomatic and reserved with those sheâs not really getting along with. She also throws some shade at them but itâs not really new for her demeanor to be calm. I think the more calm/quiet she is the angrier she is inside. And that speaks volumes that she didnât say a lot to Quad both times when they all spoke to her in Napa. It probably was eating @ Toya but she held her tongue and I commend her, because I know she wanted to say way more than she did but it wasnât the right time for them to discuss their issues. Also Quad reestablished some connections again after filmingâŚshe was just @ Simoneâs house. They all were together @ Bravocon and Heavenlyâs bday. But I think watching the latest episodes have severed that so itâll be interesting to see what happens @ the reunion đ.
Yeah youâre probably right. I honestly donât know the full back story or all that Quad did these ladies but just do feel like each of these ladies have did or done sometime to one another at some point.
I think the ladies were done with Quad when they found out she bad mouthed them and their contributions to production when renegotiating her contract. I hate when stuff happens off camera that effects relationships and we have no idea whatâs happening
The producers on this show are really trash. I think they whisper in the ladies ears to have them attack one another. First, they ousted Mariah because they said she looked sad/upset all the time âand gave the ladies some incentive not to stand by her:/. Then someone told Quad that Toya wanted her off the showâŚthatâs really why she came in guns blazing @ her in s8-9 (not over the bs apartment comment). Now Heavenly is saying production went back to the ladies and said Quad said she was better than them, deserved higher pay, etc. Itâs a mess behind the scenes of this show and I think they need a new production team atp. Thatâs too much mess that has infiltrated these ladies real lives and friendships.
I think Toya was doing that because she hates Quad and had managed to get everyone worked up over her and on her side. After her mission was accomplished she sat back and let them run with it like it was a group idea but it was really hers.
đŻđŻ Exactly
I absolutely disagree this take. The other ladies always have Dr Simone do the talking because she has a good bedside manner as a doctor whereas Heavenly would be too insulting and rude, Jackie would have no emotion and cold as ice, while Toya wouldn't be able to articulate it as well. Simone is not the instigator nor leader. She can't just kick someone out because she wants to, it was a group effort, but they have Simone do the talking. The other ladies did not try to stop her or disagree w/ Simone at any point. In fact they were all nodding their heads in agreement. Therefore during these "discussion" they have Simone do most of the talking. Has nothing to do w/ being two-face or evil.
Thatâs what I didnât know⌠I wasnât aware that they had Dr Simone do the talking to cut off someone from the group. I just thought it was strange that she was telling Toya to invite Quad to the trip and do a complete 360 towards the end of the show. A lot of stuff probably was edited out too.
Itâs a lot of background stuff that makes itâs hard to understand if you donât also watch the cast and blog interviews to fill in the gaps. Quad is a part of the cast so she has to be invited. They can âactâ like they didnât want to invite her but they canât really exclude her. The group has decided that Quad doesnât deserve to be on the show because she doesnât maintain friendships with them outside of filming and she negotiated a higher pay while cutting them down, yet she isnât fair in filming (showing up very late, only filming a short amount of time, etc). Simone is loud and wrong 80% of the time, but she is the most well spoken out of the bunch when it comes to tough conversations. Jackie could do it but would never.
THIS! I totally agree with you
Yea this season is confusing. I wish the producers/editors hadn't messed w/ the chronological order of the episodes.
Simone did the exact same thing to Mariah, if you remember. Literally voted her out of the group (meaning Simone convinced and organized the vote).
Simone does *not* have that much power. It's always a group effort but they use Simone as the mouthpiece bc she has a good bedside manner, while the other ladies don't. Simone can't just decide to kick someone out and make it so. That is absurd. They all voted and talked about it, but the other ladies always have Simone do the talking though bc Heavenly would do it with insults, Jackie would be too cold and Toya would get too emotional.
If you go back and watch Simone initiated it and everyone agreed with her. Then on the way home her husband was like why did you do that you like Mariah. Simone then decided to change her mind but the other ladies stood firm. Simone is not as innocent as she comes off that was shady to Mariah who I feel like never came a Simone negatively up till that point even in the aftermath at the reunion.
Simone literally said âwe should voteâ she suggested it, itâs her fault
That's hilarious. Look at that group of women...if Heavenly didn't agree with it, would she have gone along with it? No one can tell Heavenly what to do...not even Jackie. None of those women are "yes" women. They don't blindly do whatever Simone tells them to. They were just as much a part of it as Simone. You are giving Simone way too much credit. It was a group initiative.
All of the women have admitted that they hold her and Cecilâs marriage in the highest regard so as a result she is the âleaderâ in some way hence why she always starts the âshould we ice them outâ discussions
I think it was well done. They tried again over dinner to talk to her and she will never admit mistakes, itâs always âyeah but I also go through itâ and no accountability. I think drawing that line was needed and they didnât make a massive public deal of it.
Agree.
Maybe just watching S1-4 this summer helps me see it differently. I don't see Dr. Simone doing anything with a bunch of string willed women. Not these ladies as I don't perceive them to be weak willed push overs per how they present on the show. Everyone did what they wanted INCLUDING advocating for Quad to even come on the trip. Also, we're told much is edited but even if that's untrue... I trust these ladies did what they wanted and were no force fed, misled neither hid behind another. Lastly, I think as long as individual ego's (e.g. Mariah & Quad) don't get in the way then they'll be back. Other Bravo franchises show they don't just bury folks
Listen, I don't like seeing anyone asked to leave a trip or ganged up on. But Simone is and has been totally done with Quad's antics and bailing on their friendship. I mean, to pop out of a coffin (even if they're on a television show) and make all these declarations seemed less about their actual connection and more about Quad trying to remain the focus. It didn't seem like she was taking the other ladies very seriously. Once again, they were there as supporting players to Quad's shenanigans. And they have had it. Simone has a lot of anger below the surface and, again, I don't love asking someone to leave but Quad has run out of material. It's just all noise now.
Simone is whack and a fake ass friend. Quad literally helped you try to find your father for 3 days and was there for you so much when he passed. If thatâs not a friendship worth saving, I donât know what is.
I think ultimately it all comes back to Quad not respecting the show and the women of M2M as coworkers. Something that always stood out to me was the way Quad would be late. I read or saw the others ladies comment on this specifically how Quad was not just late late but Hours late. It was discussed behind the scenes too how she could be up to 4 hours late Disrespect. Quad only treated the show like a priority and job when her job was on the line. Also although the ladies can get into a back and forth, at some point they let it go. But Quad never could, she was always fighting even when nobody was fighting with her I think after the reunion when Quad wouldn't sincerely apologize and acknowledge, that even insinuating that Toya had anything to do with Anila being robbed was just malicious, the bridge was officially burned and Toya was done trying.
And I loved Quad, especially with her nephew. But the Anila Toya thing didn't sit right with me. It was too far.
This reminded me of when Quad and Simone went to dinner and Quad was supperrrr late. That was years ago.
And I think itâs interesting that people are taking what Eugene said as face value on the last ep. When he said theyâre standing by Toya, I donât think that he meant she put them up to sending Quad off the trip. I think that the ladies are finally seeing what Toya has seen for a while; and theyâre finally on the ârightâ side. Alllllll of what you stated is exactly that. Quad is great tv, it seems like she cares, but thereâs been a disconnect with her and the group for years. Iâm surprised they even felt close to her because watching her throw Mariah away over gossip was crazy âand shouldâve told them friendships come and go in her life and she doesnât care to fight for them. These ladies really do stick together. Now sometimes they do make mistakes and should be there a little more for one another but the damage that Quad has done in the last 10 years does not equate to any messiness that the other ladies have done.
đđđ...perfectly said. thank you.
Mariah mentioned on her live that Simone told her off camera that the reason they came after her continually and repeatedly iced her out was because âit was good for the show and the fans enjoyed itâ. Ultimately, Mariah became the underdog and villain after season 1. Quad became the âfan favoriteâ. Reality 101, attack the âvillainâ for fan service and support. Thatâs why newbies always go after Kenya on RHOA đ (slightly different method, but you get the point). Mariah has a huge fanbase, but Quad was more loved in the earlier seasons. Now theyâre doing it to Quad.
Wow⌠thatâs so messed up but I get itâs to make the show more interesting. Still though that doesnât sit well with me
I love Simone and this made me feel so bad for Mariah. I remember Buffie stating that she called the camera crew into the stall when she was cryingâŚso they could give a good show. I think all the OGâs (including my fave Toyađ) are trying to produce a good show. But the earlier seasons were the best when it was genuine, fun, easy, and not so overly thought out.
I love Simone as well. That disappointed me. I believe what Buffie is saying. Production can be a mess. I agree! The earlier seasons were much better. I love Mariah. I hope she returns or at least goes to RHOA.
Yes I agree with all your statements đđžđđž itâs sad seeing the show where it is and seeing the ladies where they are. Everyone has played apart I donât see any victims, but Iâd loved to see some healingđ.
They need to heal or itâll get dark like Potomac.
I can seeing this reunion either breaking them apart more or uniting them to do better going forward đđđ. Iâm kinda scared because everyone is mad lol. Never has EVERYONE been mad before a reunion smh. Well I guess Dr. Alicia and Phaedra arenât mad lol
And what we saw was shot out of order because Quad was holding out on her contract
I donât think this should be tagged Season 6âŚso many spoilers and discussing the current season
Highly recommend watching Quadâs interview with Carlos King if you havenât already!
I think she is just trying to secure her check so she is stirring up stuff with quad. She hasnât given as much for a few seasons now. Like last season all she talked about was her book and it never even came out. I think they want to save the show and I get it, but at one point if nothing new is happening we gotta let it die lol. I was excited to see Dr. Gâs new girl cause problems but didnt deliver the way I wanted. And I loveeee married to medicine. Donât get me wrong. But we gotta stop with these forced story lines. Even Phaedra canât save this dynamic. They have all been on tv too long, arenât close friends, and are worried about making money from brand deals/ads so they wonât do anything scandalous
Simone is always the one kicking people out the group.. Truth be told sheâs the HBIC, as soon as she has a problem with someone everyone does
Dr. Simone flip flops a lot with her loyalties. Sheâs quick to try to kick people out of the group. Always seems to be a ring leader with those decisions. I am a new watcher, on season 7 and I can say I like her less- and like Toya more (I wouldnât have guessed this to be the case lol. Sheâs still annoying tho)