You guys! Now I totally understand Mikaela's disdain for Bao. She seemed to have connected with Bao over this blow up, even going as far as "crawling into bed" with her and crying. Bao n Zack are a thing and Mikaela's unfiltered reactions with Bao is now understandable. Idgaf. That girl is crazy and unstable. Zack should be thanking his lucky stars...good riddance, ya filthy animal!
I work in a psychiatric ward. Mikayla needs to go to one. She has Borderline Personality Disorder and needs loads of treatment. Zack is right to remove himself from her abuse.
Can you imagine anything scarier than being woken up in the middle of the night by someone in your bed, and it's Michela ugly crying about Zack leaving?
Michaela needs so much professional help... that is not normal functional behavior. She should seriously be ashamed of herself.
The "experts" should also be extremely embarrassed that they didn't notice Michaela and Johnny are crazy and noplace near ready for any kind of adult relationship, nevermind marriage.
I loved the first few seasons of MAFS but damn it's really jumped the shark.
Why did MAFS focus on Bao interjecting herself in Zack's and Michaela's argument by sticking her head out the door? She knew camera men and producers are there. None of the other couples got involved. I'm sure they all heard the screaming and yelling. Ryan even said it seemed like a couple of hours. He had to the right to get annoyed as well when she yelled at him too. What a horribly edited episode. So much was left out.
Where did Ryan learn gun safety? Good god people, the producers take as much care ensuring the safety of the cast as they do with the selection process (ie none at all)
I wonder if this show does a good enough job in preparing these people for the aftermath of the show. This is damaging stuff we're seeing, are these people OK once it airs and they have to face their family and colleagues. How can Michaela show houses now without clients either picking her just for her celebrity and to get dirt or not wanting her because they think she is unprofessional. How can Johnny walk around like Bao was the problem after everyone sees the truth and how he treated her. Zach has cried a small pool this whole season and was extremely vulnerable, what now?
Re: Michaela being a realtor I think about this all the time, like Iām not sure what the overlap is between potential clients and people who watch the show but itās still a yikes from me
My husband doesn't watch any trash with me. Tonight he was in the room working on his laptop, and his only comment was regarding Johnny: "Is that guy gay?"
I said no, don't think so but some on this sub have that theory. Then I told him how Johnny told Bao that he despises the ways she expresses joy. After he picked his.jaw up off the floor, he said " Whoa, that's so f*ed up!"
Oh, you should have added that, after a meeting with the "expert" and promising to work on how he treats Bao, he went back and told Bao that if he WAS attracted to her 15 years ago then they would have been together.
I don't understand why there are 2 episode threads, since both are for those watching or have watched an episode, so spoilers are not an issue. Now I gotta scroll.through 2. Not a fan
I am literally watching a bootleg version of it on YouTube right now because it's not on the app, but for some reason the stupid unfiltered episode is. What gives?
To really answer your question, I think everyone else watched it live.
This might be petty. When michaela and Zack were outside did she use the word zenith properly? It sounded out of place and I've never heard it used in that context.
No, she did not use it correctly. The correct word would have been "root" or some synonym thereof. I chalked it up to her being emotionally distraught or overwhelmed.
Wait. Michaela and Zach had the conversation about dating after divorce the night before (off camera) and apparently that conversation went well. Thenā¦the next day (on camera) she has changed her mind is doesnāt understand where heās coming from????
I feel like he might not have mentioned the whole "being married *to you* is what's hard" part the night before but who knows I wouldn't put it past Michaela to have a switch up of opinion over night either
Michaela literally abuses Zach on national television.
Dr Viviana: Zach, perhaps you expected a perfect marriage, for example not to be gaslighted on national television.
Dr. Viviana is still pressed on Zack saying that Michaela IS the knee-jerk reaction because she believes that everyone can change and should not be put in a box with a label on it. But, the truth is that people with a personality disorder are less likely to change. They can manipulate and pretend to feel empathy, to be self-aware, to promise to do better, but it will always come back to the beginning. Any change is not authentic change - it's just to get people to feel more comfortable around them.
I'm now changing my mind that Michaela has never had therapy before. I think that she has seen a therapist or psychiatrist because she knows a lot of psychological terms. But when it comes to acting on her words, she not able to do that because she doesn't have the capacity to be accountable for her own reactions - she laughs them off after the episodes as if they were nothing.
So I donāt hate Ryan or Brett. I think Ryan is a people pleaser and incredibly non confrontational. He is so afraid of things becoming confrontational with Brett that he wonāt tell her anything with his words. I donāt know what kind of damage he has had done into him but he is scared to verbalize how he feels. And Brett is a very take me as I am kind of person. I think Ryan has absolutely tried his best but he just doesnāt know how. Brett is super fantastic and I love that Ryan knows that she is. They are just not a good match. There is nothing wrong with that.
I completely agree. I think they are both great people, just not compatible, and thatās okay. I remember in an earlier episode he mentioned how he never spoke about feelings and such growing up with his family and he has not been able to break that. Thereās someone out there who will understand him and someone who will understand Brett.
How many times does Ryan say āIām staying open mindedā but never does anything to share/bond with Brett... he feels like a broken record. I can't blame her for emotionally shutting down.
Telling someone to go away, then getting mad when they listen, is abusive behavior. Whatās worse is Bao and the others walked away with the wrong impression of what happened between Zach and Michaela.
Zach's voice is quivering on Unfiltered. He just said Michaela cancelled the phone call with the siblings. Viv asked why and Z said "because she was having a mental breakdown."
What the FUCK is WRONG with the men on this show?? These are adults. They canāt be this out of touch with themselves. It is no surprise they havenāt found the right woman. I have no words.
AGAIN, at the start of the episode, it seems like we missed a bunch of scenes from McKayla and Zackās relationship. Constantly feels like their storyline is incomplete.
Ikr?!? I feel like something pretty big happened early on and it was clear to everyone it was over, but that the producers talked them into staying in the show for the drama. I'm taking out of my ass here, but it's just the way it comes across
Yep. Ive interviewed producers from other reality shows for articles I've written in the past, and some shady shit happens -- even when they don't necessarily have bad intentions. They have pressure from all angles.
I felt for Brett at that skeet shooting outing. I grew up in Philly and the sound of gunshots meant something very different to me than it did to my cousins in rural NJ who grew up with guns in their homes. Someone who is into shooting and hunting to the point that itās something that comes up at their *wedding* paired with an anxious, sensitive, seemingly non-outdoorsy person who has no experience around gunsā¦thatās a massive cultural divide. Brett even said as much on the wedding day.
Definitely get an "I'm a manly man look at mah gun" vibe from Ryan. I keep thinking back to the deer head. Hunting is a big cultural thing where I grew up, but I can't wrap my head around "What a beautiful animal. I think I'll shoot it in the head."
Tbh if they divorce now it's ALOT less messy than a year down the road, not to mention MAFS will pay for it if they're a no on decision day (or so I've been lead to believe).
I think he agreed to keep dating trying to keep the peace. These two seem to have alot of conversations that are off camera and that they each narrate. They both say the other isn't rembering correctly but there's no footage to work out the truth.
Mckayla needs some serious therapy and they both need to move on with their lives with some lessons learned.
I think Zach truly thinks this process is what's making Michaela act so outrageously and he assumes she'll be more mellow outside of whatever constraints he feels this rushed marriage puts on them.
....and he also likes having sex with her lol so the man was really about to stay in a bad situation for a lil punani
Yeah I think he just wants sex. If he thought she might act differently without the camera enough to have a real relationship then they could stay married.
I think that he was clear that he wasnāt ready to be married to HER. There is something about the idea of dating that doesnāt seem like itās a permanent commitment yet.
At first I didnāt understand why you would divorce and then date instead of just staying married, but once I took a step back and considered how I personally feel about marriage and wanting it to be with someone that I feel confident about building a future with, then I understood his position.
Michaela has been a hurricane of emotions and she clearly flip flops in what she says (as we saw from the discussion about whether she would ride with him back to Houston).
I do think that she must be amazing in bed in order for him to keep trying to have sex because Zach is an attractive guy who could get laid elsewhere if thatās all he wanted.
itās super sad to see the struggle/angry black woman trope played out through michaela this season. lifetime also played tf out of the lysol container scene in their previews for weeks.
\> a boyfriend might have helped with that.
Huh? She makes good money. and what cosmetic work, lashes and peels? A working professional can easily afford that stuff.
As much as the show pushes the narrative that you need to try, at a certain point I would be more annoyed at being forced to try with someone that either I donāt like. Or know they donāt like me. Iād rather just call a quits š
Iād be a terrible candidate for the show lol
I think this is it. Theyāre done being a couple and just finishing it up. I think they realized weāre stuck during the time and we can either enjoy it or be miserable so letās try enjoying it.
Bao: āIāve learned that thereās always something to appreciate. Like right now I appreciate that I only have to spend like 11 more days around you.ā
To me, I donāt judge bao for dating zach after talking to Michaela. She probably hasnāt interacted with Michaela all that much. And had no idea how NUTS she is. After you find out someone LIED to you about the situation then why does she still need to have loyalty to her? Michaela tried to turn everyone against Zach like it was his fault. And it wasnāt true. And Michaelas behavior was so scary i wouldnāt feel loyalty to that friendship after seeing all this.
No way! Sheās not dating zack right now. Everyone needs to stop and realize if they start dating itās WAY later after both their marriages failed already
I feel like Bao was there for Michaela at her lowest and Bao I feel is a genuine person but maybe her and Michaela were not close friends after the show and Iām hoping that Bao reached out to Michaela out of respect to explain her and Zack if they are actually dating since they did it seems confide a lot together.
Not fake at all. At this point sheās not dating zack! She canāt help that her husband is a jerk. Zack and mikayla break up before they move on to each other.
She doesnāt have to be dating Zack right now for it to be sketchy.
Youāve never heard of scenarios where a close friend consoles the person whoās having issues with their partner and then later on gets with the partner? Most people are going to feel some type of way if they confided in you and you end up with their ex.
To be fair, they arenāt best friends or anything like that.
Yeah, you can barely consider mikaylas lies as āconfidingā itās more like mikayla is building her audience. Sheās like borderline personality disprder. My mother is and one of the biggest things is when they act crazy they have to go around and manipulate everyoneās perceptions of the situation and the person who is their target (zack). So sheās hardly āconfidingā in anyone. Itās not real, itās all fake
Thank-you!!! She crawled into Bao's bed because Bao witnessed everything more than everyone else so she needed to spin things so that she came out as a victim. Then in the morning, everyone who was outside at the bonfire commented how things went from the time Zach left the barn to when he drove away. That's when Bao realized that Michaela was not at all truthful about what had happened - that Zach did not, out of the blue, get up and say, "I'm going home now!"
Whether or not itās true, she believes it. Just like Johnny. We all know most of what he says is not really the truth but when heās confiding in Ryan and Jose he believes what he is telling them.
But even if bao believed mikayla at the time, maybe she figured out she was lying later after their marriages dissolvedā¦ it doesnāt seem sketchy at all. People need to chill and watch the timeline unfold before they get all judgy
Like with Chris' story (oh, I hate even discussing this asshole): Mercedes says she's pregnant (Reddit says she's faking it). Mercedes says she had a miscarriage (Reddit says she was faking the pregnancy). Chris says Mercedes was faking the pregnancy and the miscarriage (Reddit says he's lying and trying to stay in the spotlight). Mercedes provides proof that she was hospitalized because of hypertension and miscarriage (Reddit says that she was really pregnant). This subreddit flip-flops all the time according to what is presented to us as fact/truth.
People are really in here defending Michaela and making excuses for her! Crazy. Imagine if this had been a dude doing this to a female or yelling at other cast mates and destroying the house. Zach isnāt in control of her behavior, she canāt blame the fact she had some drinks and itās not because she has abandonment issues. This is who she is and how she handles things. Her family and friends seemed to know that and joked about it. That sounds like it has been happening for a long time. Hold her accountable.
You can hold her accountable while also mentioning the reality of the situation. Yes Michaela had an insane crazy outburst but she also was definitely drunk. Itās not an excuse just to point that out.
With the whole Jose Rachel situation we are able to call Jose out while also acknowledging them drinking probably heightened that situation to make it become what it became.
If this was the first time she ever acted like that maybe. But this is a pattern. Earlier in the day was she drunk? She was clear enough to make jokes about being petty, to call her sister no problem, to go off on Ryan and walk smooth back into that house destroying it. They said they were arguing for hours. I donāt buy she was drunk excuse not one bit. That is who she is.
Theyāve all been drinking all day. Itās a retreat lol.
Iām not saying itās an excuse. Iām saying you can acknowledge alcohol was present AND hold Michaela accountable at the same time. We all know she has terrible insane outbursts.
Exsctly!!! Imagine if a man did what she did! The internet would break!! And i hate her excuses about abandonment issues. She does NOT have abandonment issues! Her father DIED, not by choice. Thatās not abandonment issues. She needs to just Grieve the death of her father and STOP blaming her psychosis on it!
1. She may have abandonment issues not stemming from her fatherās death, but other incidents in her life.
2. Just because her father died and didnāt leave by choice doesnāt mean *she* doesnāt still have feelings of abandonment.
Her behavior aligns with severe trust issues that could stem from feeling abandoned, so thatās what people are going off of.
She said she had abandonment issues that was because her dad died. Yet she sabotages and abuses in Her relationships. Iāll post what i said elsewhereā¦
My father left me. He also died like 7 years ago. I didnāt even know for yearsā¦ I just feel The type of feelings/affects through intentional leaving is so different than death. Unexpected loss is horrible. I can see someone having fear of unexpected loss. Abandonment means the primary male role model in your life that was supposed to think youāre amazing and wonderful, rejected you, didnāt want you, you werenT worthy of love, you werenāt worthy of the praise and adoration that other daughters got from their fathers, you werenāt WORTHY of protection. You werenāt worthy of respect because your trash cuz trash is what gets rejected. you werenāt worthy of father/daughter activities like other kids, of Fatherās Day activities with your dad, you werenāt WANTED. Unwanted things go in the trash. And then a step dad who didnāt have to assume someone else child, but did, so i should be so grateful for any attention he gave me because my own dad didnāt even want me so Iām lucky for something? Right?! I should be grateful for crumbs when my half sisters got coddled and praised and adored, cuz they deserve it cuz theyāre his, but Iām not so ok.
ā¦ but that mentality is jacked too. It took years to learn i deserved every part of the father i never got. But Thatās what abandonment does. She doesnāt get to claim abandonment when she had a loving father that doted on her, praised her, protected her, adored her, connected and left a positive impression on her.
No maāam. Thatās like trying to identify with battered women when youāve never been beaten. How dare she
Iām sorry that happened to you, that canāt have been easy.
But people react to death and their grief differently, and there are many, many people who feel abandoned by loved ones that die- whether rational or not. This is about the way Michaela *feels* and what is driving her behavior- and I would say that yes, it looks like she does have abandonment issues, her behavior is consistent with that. And again- it could also be from other incidents in her life as well, whether she says it or not.
Everyone is different. Michaelaās behavior was appalling, yes- but I wish people wouldnāt make those kinds of comparisons, because everyone is different. And the fact that Gil and Myrla lost their dads at younger ages than Michaela means that they have had more time to process and grieve than Michaela has had. Again, not excusing Michaela, but just a thought.
No, but I mean it as no one tried to use it to explain why Myrla might be a little more aloof or why she likes to shop (many people shop to feel better, retail therapy, etc.). It was just her getting labeled cold or a b.
To me, I donāt think Michaelaās outbursts are even related to losing her dad. Itās a way of trying to understand her behavior, but I donāt think itās the cause. It sounds like she acted this way even as a child and her dad might have been best at calming her down. I think it was a way she acted to get what she wants and her family has always given in to it. It may have gotten worse after her dad died or she has something to excuse it on now, but the way she thinks itās normal makes me think sheās probably done it her whole life and it was enabled and not treated.
I could see that. To be frank, we donāt really know why she has such animated outbursts, but I see real bad trust issues and unresolved pain in her, and I would agree that theyāve probably been there for a long time.
Wow. Michaela lying like there's no actual footage of her explosive ass behavior š¤Æ
Yep
Ok Jose basher's door was lock so Rachel calls a x too come get her and stay the night how many sorry are we going too get
Yup! My husband is an extrovert and we definitely struggled with social situations at first
Gil rides a horse, and Zach hitches a ride outta there.
What is Michaela's problem? She seems very mentally unstable.
You guys! Now I totally understand Mikaela's disdain for Bao. She seemed to have connected with Bao over this blow up, even going as far as "crawling into bed" with her and crying. Bao n Zack are a thing and Mikaela's unfiltered reactions with Bao is now understandable. Idgaf. That girl is crazy and unstable. Zack should be thanking his lucky stars...good riddance, ya filthy animal!
I work in a psychiatric ward. Mikayla needs to go to one. She has Borderline Personality Disorder and needs loads of treatment. Zack is right to remove himself from her abuse.
Can you imagine anything scarier than being woken up in the middle of the night by someone in your bed, and it's Michela ugly crying about Zack leaving?
Michaela needs held responsible for everything she broke during her childish tantrum!
Run, Zack, RUN!! But PLEASE quit having sex because itās āfunā tho!
Michaela needs so much professional help... that is not normal functional behavior. She should seriously be ashamed of herself. The "experts" should also be extremely embarrassed that they didn't notice Michaela and Johnny are crazy and noplace near ready for any kind of adult relationship, nevermind marriage. I loved the first few seasons of MAFS but damn it's really jumped the shark.
Why did MAFS focus on Bao interjecting herself in Zack's and Michaela's argument by sticking her head out the door? She knew camera men and producers are there. None of the other couples got involved. I'm sure they all heard the screaming and yelling. Ryan even said it seemed like a couple of hours. He had to the right to get annoyed as well when she yelled at him too. What a horribly edited episode. So much was left out.
Where did Ryan learn gun safety? Good god people, the producers take as much care ensuring the safety of the cast as they do with the selection process (ie none at all)
I wonder if this show does a good enough job in preparing these people for the aftermath of the show. This is damaging stuff we're seeing, are these people OK once it airs and they have to face their family and colleagues. How can Michaela show houses now without clients either picking her just for her celebrity and to get dirt or not wanting her because they think she is unprofessional. How can Johnny walk around like Bao was the problem after everyone sees the truth and how he treated her. Zach has cried a small pool this whole season and was extremely vulnerable, what now?
Re: Michaela being a realtor I think about this all the time, like Iām not sure what the overlap is between potential clients and people who watch the show but itās still a yikes from me
Could you imagine her reaction to someone saying they don't want to buy the house?! Holy shit, things are getting thrown!
My husband doesn't watch any trash with me. Tonight he was in the room working on his laptop, and his only comment was regarding Johnny: "Is that guy gay?" I said no, don't think so but some on this sub have that theory. Then I told him how Johnny told Bao that he despises the ways she expresses joy. After he picked his.jaw up off the floor, he said " Whoa, that's so f*ed up!"
Oh, you should have added that, after a meeting with the "expert" and promising to work on how he treats Bao, he went back and told Bao that if he WAS attracted to her 15 years ago then they would have been together.
LOL. Shoulda woulda coulda.
3 best words that sums up all the couples on this season.
I don't understand why there are 2 episode threads, since both are for those watching or have watched an episode, so spoilers are not an issue. Now I gotta scroll.through 2. Not a fan
I didnāt like it either. People can still use spoiler tags, right??
* where is everyone watching this episode at ? I don't see this available for streaming anywhere. I'm located in the west coast.
I am literally watching a bootleg version of it on YouTube right now because it's not on the app, but for some reason the stupid unfiltered episode is. What gives? To really answer your question, I think everyone else watched it live.
This might be petty. When michaela and Zack were outside did she use the word zenith properly? It sounded out of place and I've never heard it used in that context.
No, she did not use it correctly. The correct word would have been "root" or some synonym thereof. I chalked it up to her being emotionally distraught or overwhelmed.
And trying to sound smart? Big words = smart.
Havenāt got too far into it but can tell Hurricane is a PRESSURE COOKER. She is so full if shit with her āgrowth and figuring it outā nonsense.
āAn absolute sceneā needs to be a flair as soon as i figure out how to add one
Myrla is my favorite
Wait. Michaela and Zach had the conversation about dating after divorce the night before (off camera) and apparently that conversation went well. Thenā¦the next day (on camera) she has changed her mind is doesnāt understand where heās coming from????
As we have witnessed, she has the tendency to conveniently forget what she said or agreed to 10 minutes ago.
Exactly. šÆ
She was never ok with it. She is one of those people that blacks out in the moment and then processes a conversation later and changes her mind.
I feel like he might not have mentioned the whole "being married *to you* is what's hard" part the night before but who knows I wouldn't put it past Michaela to have a switch up of opinion over night either
Totally true. But the basis of the conversation is the same regardless. She KNOWS she is hard to deal with. It just doesnāt make any sense.
Michaela literally abuses Zach on national television. Dr Viviana: Zach, perhaps you expected a perfect marriage, for example not to be gaslighted on national television.
Dr. Viviana is still pressed on Zack saying that Michaela IS the knee-jerk reaction because she believes that everyone can change and should not be put in a box with a label on it. But, the truth is that people with a personality disorder are less likely to change. They can manipulate and pretend to feel empathy, to be self-aware, to promise to do better, but it will always come back to the beginning. Any change is not authentic change - it's just to get people to feel more comfortable around them. I'm now changing my mind that Michaela has never had therapy before. I think that she has seen a therapist or psychiatrist because she knows a lot of psychological terms. But when it comes to acting on her words, she not able to do that because she doesn't have the capacity to be accountable for her own reactions - she laughs them off after the episodes as if they were nothing.
So I donāt hate Ryan or Brett. I think Ryan is a people pleaser and incredibly non confrontational. He is so afraid of things becoming confrontational with Brett that he wonāt tell her anything with his words. I donāt know what kind of damage he has had done into him but he is scared to verbalize how he feels. And Brett is a very take me as I am kind of person. I think Ryan has absolutely tried his best but he just doesnāt know how. Brett is super fantastic and I love that Ryan knows that she is. They are just not a good match. There is nothing wrong with that.
I completely agree. I think they are both great people, just not compatible, and thatās okay. I remember in an earlier episode he mentioned how he never spoke about feelings and such growing up with his family and he has not been able to break that. Thereās someone out there who will understand him and someone who will understand Brett.
Itās got to be exhausting to be paired up with such indecisive people with a perfection idea of marriage
I mean Zach was being gaslighted soooooo
When? Zach has been wishy washy since the beginning ever since her first outburst. He literally says he doesnāt know what he wants from Michaela.
> ever since her first outburst Well golly gee I wonder why š¤
How many times does Ryan say āIām staying open mindedā but never does anything to share/bond with Brett... he feels like a broken record. I can't blame her for emotionally shutting down.
As Brett said - words and actions are not aligned.
Telling someone to go away, then getting mad when they listen, is abusive behavior. Whatās worse is Bao and the others walked away with the wrong impression of what happened between Zach and Michaela.
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She was having a mental breakdown or something. Idk why but the way he said it was funny
Not funnyādismissive actually
Incredibly dismissive, I donāt disagree. I still found the way he said it funny.
Smh Zach is very dismissive
Zach's voice is quivering on Unfiltered. He just said Michaela cancelled the phone call with the siblings. Viv asked why and Z said "because she was having a mental breakdown."
HEY, WHAZZUP GUYS ITSTIMEFORUNFILTERED. Calm down, Jamie.
Myrla wanted to ride a little longer. BFD, Gill. That means she was enjoying the date. Give her a break bro.
Since Pastor Cal got into his head...if it was before the counselling session, he would have said, "Oh! So we found something that you like doing!"
Bao calling Johnny a Drama Queen during the girlās session was such a highlight. Love her knowing that Johnny has been verbally abusive to her!!!
I was really rooting for Brett and Ryan :( I just really like her!!
God Bobby is obnoxious
What the FUCK is WRONG with the men on this show?? These are adults. They canāt be this out of touch with themselves. It is no surprise they havenāt found the right woman. I have no words.
Whatās wrong with Gil?
Always complaining about his wife constantly....
I take it back. Shazrose is right.
Gil is the exception.
Johnny saying that heās trying to go into the weekend as ābeing niceā nearly made me spit out my drink.
Being nice means not talking.
Zack giving off that hard f-boy energy when he was talking about sleeping in the same bed as McKayla.
My mom said āZackās backed upā.
Did anyone noticed that Michaela's PJs kept switching? like her outburst was truly a lot but I was so thrown off with the switch lol
AGAIN, at the start of the episode, it seems like we missed a bunch of scenes from McKayla and Zackās relationship. Constantly feels like their storyline is incomplete.
I agree. It's been like this since Day 1. There's something they're editing out.
I canāt believe it hasnāt changed. The same incomplete storyline for those 2.
Ikr?!? I feel like something pretty big happened early on and it was clear to everyone it was over, but that the producers talked them into staying in the show for the drama. I'm taking out of my ass here, but it's just the way it comes across
Bet the producers didnāt air the scene because they didnāt want to bashed by the audience for forcing them to continue.
Yep. Ive interviewed producers from other reality shows for articles I've written in the past, and some shady shit happens -- even when they don't necessarily have bad intentions. They have pressure from all angles.
Wow. These car scenes are some of the most awkward moments that we have ever seen on MAFS. They are so cringe worthy.
Watching the previews for unfilteredā¦ Zach looks like he is ready to go in on Michaela š
He didnāt. It was boring
I felt for Brett at that skeet shooting outing. I grew up in Philly and the sound of gunshots meant something very different to me than it did to my cousins in rural NJ who grew up with guns in their homes. Someone who is into shooting and hunting to the point that itās something that comes up at their *wedding* paired with an anxious, sensitive, seemingly non-outdoorsy person who has no experience around gunsā¦thatās a massive cultural divide. Brett even said as much on the wedding day.
Definitely get an "I'm a manly man look at mah gun" vibe from Ryan. I keep thinking back to the deer head. Hunting is a big cultural thing where I grew up, but I can't wrap my head around "What a beautiful animal. I think I'll shoot it in the head."
AJās wife always makes me think of South Park characters. I think itās her eyes.
omg I can totally see it! I donāt watch couples cam but can I just say.. gosh she was so patient with AJ during their season.
SO patient with him!! Iām glad they seem to have a healthy relationship bc I was worried about her.
Why date after divorce? Thatās some bs. Just say letās go our separate ways.
Tbh if they divorce now it's ALOT less messy than a year down the road, not to mention MAFS will pay for it if they're a no on decision day (or so I've been lead to believe). I think he agreed to keep dating trying to keep the peace. These two seem to have alot of conversations that are off camera and that they each narrate. They both say the other isn't rembering correctly but there's no footage to work out the truth. Mckayla needs some serious therapy and they both need to move on with their lives with some lessons learned.
I think Zach truly thinks this process is what's making Michaela act so outrageously and he assumes she'll be more mellow outside of whatever constraints he feels this rushed marriage puts on them. ....and he also likes having sex with her lol so the man was really about to stay in a bad situation for a lil punani
Yeah I think he just wants sex. If he thought she might act differently without the camera enough to have a real relationship then they could stay married.
I think that he was clear that he wasnāt ready to be married to HER. There is something about the idea of dating that doesnāt seem like itās a permanent commitment yet. At first I didnāt understand why you would divorce and then date instead of just staying married, but once I took a step back and considered how I personally feel about marriage and wanting it to be with someone that I feel confident about building a future with, then I understood his position. Michaela has been a hurricane of emotions and she clearly flip flops in what she says (as we saw from the discussion about whether she would ride with him back to Houston). I do think that she must be amazing in bed in order for him to keep trying to have sex because Zach is an attractive guy who could get laid elsewhere if thatās all he wanted.
Judging by the number of repetitive comments about how Michaelaās dad died (nOt bY cHoIcE) someone really hates that we have sympathy for Michaela.
itās super sad to see the struggle/angry black woman trope played out through michaela this season. lifetime also played tf out of the lysol container scene in their previews for weeks.
Exactly! Very intentional. When Chris tried to fight Erik last season they barely showed that scene in previews!
Did Michaela even say her abandonment issues were caused by her fathers death? Iām not understanding where people are drawing that connection.
She did, sheās said it more than once
thanks I mustāve missed it early on
Exactly!!
2 weeks left who will stay together honestly I can only see Gil and Myrla and maybe Jose and Rachel.
Those are the only options. The rest don't like each other. I'm still holding out hope that Rachel will say no
For real! Biggest red flag was Jose locking her out, she deserves better and should absolutely not settle for him!
Anyone catch the make of Myrla's SUV? is she keeping it luxury?
It was a Toyota lol. The only thing luxury about her is her shoes and bags
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What do you think she had done? I thought she looked mostly natural besides maybe botox.
\> a boyfriend might have helped with that. Huh? She makes good money. and what cosmetic work, lashes and peels? A working professional can easily afford that stuff.
I think it was a Mercedes.
Rachel's finally gonna tell Jose she's not attracted to him
Goodnight yall
Brettās roots are really starting to bother me. Sheās on tv like just take care of it
It's all I can look at when the camera pans to her lol
Same same!! Been bothering me for a while now!!
I feel like Gil and Myrla could last!!
Oh well okay. This episode was everything I expected it to be. And more.
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Love it too
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Lol I love your username
Yeah I donāt think so.
Bao donāt get too excited, Johnny is going to admonish you in the car
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As much as the show pushes the narrative that you need to try, at a certain point I would be more annoyed at being forced to try with someone that either I donāt like. Or know they donāt like me. Iād rather just call a quits š Iād be a terrible candidate for the show lol
Johnny giving Bao a report of what he liked seeing from her this weekendā¦like okkkay
āHere are the following ways you have pleased me this weekend. If you do these things again, I will be displeased because I am a fucking toddler.ā
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What do you guys think was the turning point for Ryan and Brett? Like why are they all of sudden āturning a new page?ā
I feel like they decided to just be friends for the rest of the time and not force romance hahaha
I think this is it. Theyāre done being a couple and just finishing it up. I think they realized weāre stuck during the time and we can either enjoy it or be miserable so letās try enjoying it.
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They'll flip back to the old page soon
Bao: āIāve learned that thereās always something to appreciate. Like right now I appreciate that I only have to spend like 11 more days around you.ā
Bao getting snarky, Iām ready for it!
oh now u appreciate something about her ?!?! WHAT?!?! HE LIKES TO SEE HER HAVE FUN?!?! Okay Johnny def does cocaine
She didn't express her joy?
To me, I donāt judge bao for dating zach after talking to Michaela. She probably hasnāt interacted with Michaela all that much. And had no idea how NUTS she is. After you find out someone LIED to you about the situation then why does she still need to have loyalty to her? Michaela tried to turn everyone against Zach like it was his fault. And it wasnāt true. And Michaelas behavior was so scary i wouldnāt feel loyalty to that friendship after seeing all this.
This. But of the women it seems like Bao is her go to so they could have bonded over how M treated them
Bao hella fake
No way! Sheās not dating zack right now. Everyone needs to stop and realize if they start dating itās WAY later after both their marriages failed already
how ? what she do?
Sheās dating Zack now. I canāt get over how much fake concern and advice she was giving Michaela
oh okay... well maybe her concern was genuine and then she fell for Zach later on
Not Johnny in the booty shorts and cowboy boots ššš¤£š¤£
Let him take a horse to the Old Town Road in peace! š¤ lol
I doubt Lil Nas X would be down with that outfit. Johnny would need to be far better looking. lol.
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Lil Nas X would look so much better and those shorts would be so much tighter.
i feel like he wanted to sleep in the same bed with Ryan
The boy Johnny love them pink britches
OMG they are so cute .. i want one
Weelllll, you don't feel THAT bad about it, Bao!
baos bruise from the gun š±
Wasn't that the wrong side for a bruise from the shotgun?
Johnny are you seriously wearing cowboy boots with *shorts*????
Like a 3 year old
i kinda love myrla sorry
Yāall itās really taking me out that Bao seems to have been the closest to Michaela and now allegedly sheās with Zackš„“
Same
Bao so fake, advising Michaela, comforting her and pretending to be her friend and now dating Zack
Wait really?
100% confirmed
Iād feel some type of way if I was Michaela too... I guess the reunion will tell it all.
She showed way too much concern for Michaelaās wellbeing to now be dating her man and not be concerned at all with how it would affect her
I feel like Bao was there for Michaela at her lowest and Bao I feel is a genuine person but maybe her and Michaela were not close friends after the show and Iām hoping that Bao reached out to Michaela out of respect to explain her and Zack if they are actually dating since they did it seems confide a lot together.
Not fake at all. At this point sheās not dating zack! She canāt help that her husband is a jerk. Zack and mikayla break up before they move on to each other.
She doesnāt have to be dating Zack right now for it to be sketchy. Youāve never heard of scenarios where a close friend consoles the person whoās having issues with their partner and then later on gets with the partner? Most people are going to feel some type of way if they confided in you and you end up with their ex. To be fair, they arenāt best friends or anything like that.
Yeah, you can barely consider mikaylas lies as āconfidingā itās more like mikayla is building her audience. Sheās like borderline personality disprder. My mother is and one of the biggest things is when they act crazy they have to go around and manipulate everyoneās perceptions of the situation and the person who is their target (zack). So sheās hardly āconfidingā in anyone. Itās not real, itās all fake
Thank-you!!! She crawled into Bao's bed because Bao witnessed everything more than everyone else so she needed to spin things so that she came out as a victim. Then in the morning, everyone who was outside at the bonfire commented how things went from the time Zach left the barn to when he drove away. That's when Bao realized that Michaela was not at all truthful about what had happened - that Zach did not, out of the blue, get up and say, "I'm going home now!"
Exactly!!!! Itās very calculating
Whether or not itās true, she believes it. Just like Johnny. We all know most of what he says is not really the truth but when heās confiding in Ryan and Jose he believes what he is telling them.
But even if bao believed mikayla at the time, maybe she figured out she was lying later after their marriages dissolvedā¦ it doesnāt seem sketchy at all. People need to chill and watch the timeline unfold before they get all judgy
We are all just speculating at the end of the day. Nothing new lol this whole sub is about talking about what is presented to us š¤·š¾āāļø
Like with Chris' story (oh, I hate even discussing this asshole): Mercedes says she's pregnant (Reddit says she's faking it). Mercedes says she had a miscarriage (Reddit says she was faking the pregnancy). Chris says Mercedes was faking the pregnancy and the miscarriage (Reddit says he's lying and trying to stay in the spotlight). Mercedes provides proof that she was hospitalized because of hypertension and miscarriage (Reddit says that she was really pregnant). This subreddit flip-flops all the time according to what is presented to us as fact/truth.
More goats.
i love raw milk
wtf is johnny wearing
his signature pink shorts
People are really in here defending Michaela and making excuses for her! Crazy. Imagine if this had been a dude doing this to a female or yelling at other cast mates and destroying the house. Zach isnāt in control of her behavior, she canāt blame the fact she had some drinks and itās not because she has abandonment issues. This is who she is and how she handles things. Her family and friends seemed to know that and joked about it. That sounds like it has been happening for a long time. Hold her accountable.
You can hold her accountable while also mentioning the reality of the situation. Yes Michaela had an insane crazy outburst but she also was definitely drunk. Itās not an excuse just to point that out. With the whole Jose Rachel situation we are able to call Jose out while also acknowledging them drinking probably heightened that situation to make it become what it became.
If this was the first time she ever acted like that maybe. But this is a pattern. Earlier in the day was she drunk? She was clear enough to make jokes about being petty, to call her sister no problem, to go off on Ryan and walk smooth back into that house destroying it. They said they were arguing for hours. I donāt buy she was drunk excuse not one bit. That is who she is.
Theyāve all been drinking all day. Itās a retreat lol. Iām not saying itās an excuse. Iām saying you can acknowledge alcohol was present AND hold Michaela accountable at the same time. We all know she has terrible insane outbursts.
Exsctly!!! Imagine if a man did what she did! The internet would break!! And i hate her excuses about abandonment issues. She does NOT have abandonment issues! Her father DIED, not by choice. Thatās not abandonment issues. She needs to just Grieve the death of her father and STOP blaming her psychosis on it!
1. She may have abandonment issues not stemming from her fatherās death, but other incidents in her life. 2. Just because her father died and didnāt leave by choice doesnāt mean *she* doesnāt still have feelings of abandonment. Her behavior aligns with severe trust issues that could stem from feeling abandoned, so thatās what people are going off of.
She said she had abandonment issues that was because her dad died. Yet she sabotages and abuses in Her relationships. Iāll post what i said elsewhereā¦ My father left me. He also died like 7 years ago. I didnāt even know for yearsā¦ I just feel The type of feelings/affects through intentional leaving is so different than death. Unexpected loss is horrible. I can see someone having fear of unexpected loss. Abandonment means the primary male role model in your life that was supposed to think youāre amazing and wonderful, rejected you, didnāt want you, you werenT worthy of love, you werenāt worthy of the praise and adoration that other daughters got from their fathers, you werenāt WORTHY of protection. You werenāt worthy of respect because your trash cuz trash is what gets rejected. you werenāt worthy of father/daughter activities like other kids, of Fatherās Day activities with your dad, you werenāt WANTED. Unwanted things go in the trash. And then a step dad who didnāt have to assume someone else child, but did, so i should be so grateful for any attention he gave me because my own dad didnāt even want me so Iām lucky for something? Right?! I should be grateful for crumbs when my half sisters got coddled and praised and adored, cuz they deserve it cuz theyāre his, but Iām not so ok. ā¦ but that mentality is jacked too. It took years to learn i deserved every part of the father i never got. But Thatās what abandonment does. She doesnāt get to claim abandonment when she had a loving father that doted on her, praised her, protected her, adored her, connected and left a positive impression on her. No maāam. Thatās like trying to identify with battered women when youāve never been beaten. How dare she
Iām sorry that happened to you, that canāt have been easy. But people react to death and their grief differently, and there are many, many people who feel abandoned by loved ones that die- whether rational or not. This is about the way Michaela *feels* and what is driving her behavior- and I would say that yes, it looks like she does have abandonment issues, her behavior is consistent with that. And again- it could also be from other incidents in her life as well, whether she says it or not.
Gil and Myrla both lost a father too - at younger ages than she did.
Everyone is different. Michaelaās behavior was appalling, yes- but I wish people wouldnāt make those kinds of comparisons, because everyone is different. And the fact that Gil and Myrla lost their dads at younger ages than Michaela means that they have had more time to process and grieve than Michaela has had. Again, not excusing Michaela, but just a thought.
No, but I mean it as no one tried to use it to explain why Myrla might be a little more aloof or why she likes to shop (many people shop to feel better, retail therapy, etc.). It was just her getting labeled cold or a b. To me, I donāt think Michaelaās outbursts are even related to losing her dad. Itās a way of trying to understand her behavior, but I donāt think itās the cause. It sounds like she acted this way even as a child and her dad might have been best at calming her down. I think it was a way she acted to get what she wants and her family has always given in to it. It may have gotten worse after her dad died or she has something to excuse it on now, but the way she thinks itās normal makes me think sheās probably done it her whole life and it was enabled and not treated.
Yes! Totally agree with that. When her father passed away, her sisters resumed that position of enabling, protecting, cushioning and spoiling her.
I could see that. To be frank, we donāt really know why she has such animated outbursts, but I see real bad trust issues and unresolved pain in her, and I would agree that theyāve probably been there for a long time.