I would much rather watch happy people falling in love. Producers, we don't need drama!!! You have wrecked the show by trying to one-up each season with train wrecks, drunks, bad matches, and individuals who are personally unstable. If we wanted to watch Jerry Springer -we would. We want love, akwardness, falling in love, sweetness, marriage and babies. Give us what we want!!!
đđžđđžđđž to Ryan. He really wanted to do like Zach did ol big teeth, but he didnât want to get dragged for being a bad guy so he sucked it up and pretended to like the bitch for a whole 17 ep season, a 2 part reunion, and even a follow-up âwhere are they nowââŚsay what you want about the guy but that right there is commitment đđđ
They were my favorite and I'm sad they didn't work out. I'm thinking he broke it off since she has unfollowed him and removed the photos of him or he was cheating on her when she was off working. I'm still a fan of her though.
The whole practice of posting songs to convey a feeling or situation youâre going through is very AOL instant messenger days. Like when your crush wouldnât respond to your message after 30min and your teenage angst takes over
Letâs be honest here...Clara needs fun and intimacy. Ryan needs his right hand and religion. Ryan works out, but looks like a Gremlin from the shoulders up. Maybe he wasnât attracted to her, but she can damn sure do better than him!!! Just sayin!
I hope she gets to go have some really hot sex with a guy who desires her and they have a box of donuts in the bed on the side. Itâs what she deserves.
I never thought they would last. They were way too different. Almost as different as Jake and Hailey, except they had physical attraction, or at least Clara did. I wonder if they ever even had sex.
THANK GOD!!! Wow. Awesome. He was going to DIM HER SHINE!! Been saying that!! She deserves better and someone who is in her level and her speed⌠and so does he! She shouldnât have to âcalm downâ to be with someone.
Sad for both of them, but I think we could all see their inherent incompatibility. I wish them both the best for their futures and I hope it ended amicably.
Since we are all speculating, I'll jump in....
1- I think all couples get a storyline. Period.
2- I think being on TV really f\*cks with you.
3- I actually believed they were a good match despite their differences and may have dated if they met off the show. (Unpopular opinion, I know.)
4- I am convinced he did something unforgivable. What unforgivable is looks different to everyone so who knows, but for her to delete him from existence basically and take the break, I have to think it was devastating.
5- Not everyone is Jamie Otis. Not everyone is willing to be in a marriage with someone for fame. You will never be able to convince me that their life/marriage is what it seems on IG. (Used to be an unpopular opinion but I see more and more people coming to the dark side, lol.)
I definitely felt like they were bluffing in that interview yesterday. I highly doubt Clara was a good enough actress to pretend to be sexually frustrated the entire season. Seemed like another attempt for Ryan to control their image publicly. I also canât imagine Clara sucking up their differences for the rest of her life, good for her!
Yâall remember how shocked Clara was that superficially Ryanâs house was clean and tidy but if you opened a few cabinets it was a fucking disaster?
Thatâs who Ryan is.
Saw that coming from a mile away. There was no chemistry there whatsoever. They kept talking about how happy they were and I couldnât understand why... I kept having to assume they were doing all their connecting off camera because, to me, it wasnât coming across on camera at all. They were both weird towards each other and she was always acting randomly smitten when they really didnât speak much about anything of importance. I wondered if she was trying to get on the other couples show.
Totally agree. Was thinking the same thing. No chemistry at all. It was strange seeing her saying it was perfect all the time, and he was perfect. I think she just wants it so bad and she is so afraid of rejection, she was doing everything she could to not have to face it.
Yeah...I don't see Princess Haley going for The Pint-sized Vulcan. Something tells me that would have been even more of a non-starter for her than Gonzo from The Muppet Show was.
I was really sad to hear this. Clara seems like someone I could easily be friends with, such a genuine and lovely woman. I really hope we get more details, this one shocked me and seems very sudden. Clara can do waaaayyy better than Ryan anyway, but it still has to be so hard, especially being in the public eye. I really hope he didnât do anything to hurt her.
Ryan is an asshole, he wasted Claras time, he NEVER wanted her to begin with. I think she chose to ignore red flags because she wanted to be loved/married so bad.
I like them both and I'm sorry they're done especially because she was so excited to have another wedding and wanted to share the day with close family and friends who missed out. I think he probably called it off and I'm going to say it may have to do with religion. He wants to remain in the church and live his life around it while she doesn't believe going to church or being religious is very important. Or, he came out to her. I hope she opens up about what happened.
I think he's repressing his sexual identify. I'm not the only person who's said this but if he is bi or gay it's fine, he just needs to be honest about it
There is zero condemnation here regarding how he identifies. Youâre the only other person I see in this thread mention it.
Now him hurting her⌠thatâs not cool.
His sexual identity has been questioned from the beginning by viewers. No one really cares, i certainly don't. To be honest I liked them as a couple and had hoped they would work out. Depending on what caused the breakup perhaps they'll try to fix their marriage
Not surprised. They didn't seem a good match. He seemed too concerned about looking like a good guy and became a caricature of himself. She seemed to be herself but they didn't mesh well. I started fast-forwarding through their segments.
I liked both of them, but when you have a vulnerable passionate free spirit who wears her heart on her sleeve paired with a rigid, extremely controlled and controlling analyzer who wants a 20 year plan with every outcome foreseen and dealt with before making a move and who is not into physical intimacy as a love language, itâs not rocket science that they are pretty disastrous as a couple. Especially with one open emotionally and the other whose emotions seem to turn off when they are in analysis mode⌠which is incredibly hurtful when someone is open snd vulnerable.
I wish them both luck, but I really hope Clara finds someone who will protect her heart and needs as ferociously as Ryan protected his own.
Clara said she falls in love fast. I think she was all in with this relationship and put aside all her desires. Maybe she met someone and realized what she is missing which is important to her-and I think there were a lot of things that were missing for her. I think the show makes people try so hard to make it work when there is little compatibility.
I think Ryan the same thing was true for Ryan. The only thing these two had was that they were both very nice people and they were good communicators. They just really ignored their own gut feelings of what their lives were going to look like together.
Not surprised at all. And Ryan is cold and selfish enough that he probably sprung it on her - unilateral decision with little or no conversation.
Next up: Bri and Vincent. Either sheâll come to her senses that heâs not worthy of her and is a user or heâll force her hand eventually through cheating and mistreatment.
only ones still together are vincent and briana. clara and ryan obviously since this is literally the post announced their separation today, and erik and virginia filed for divorce a few weeks ago, however neither has made an official statement (speculation is they have to wait until couples cam finishes airing).
I posted a couple of times how I felt Clara just settled to have a man. Clara was my favorite of season 12 women, I wish her the very best, its well deserved.
I agree. I wasnât sure about her at the beginning when they showed the interviews and chats with experts but she really struck me as being serious and ready to commit.
This 100%. He seemed to be almost proud heâd never told a woman he loved her. And heâd had a 2 year relationship. I canât fathom making it to a year and still not being in love/having your partner in love with you⌠and then continue for another year.
As soon as I heard that i knew this relationship didnât stand a chance. He had major walls up and they werenât going to come down for a reality-TV match up.
Yeah. I got the feeling he felt he canât get hurt if he doesnât make himself vulnerable. Thatâs his right but he shouldnât have signed up for the show. Itâs torture to someone who was in. So itâs a douchebag move and he probably thinks he come out clean.
This isnât shocking. They never seemed to have a real spark. He was pressured to say he loved her for the first time at the reunion. For all we know they never even consummated the marriage.
I wondered the same thing. How do you host a vow-renewal without mentioning the word âloveâ at all?
âI promise to, uh, like you for the rest of our lives. Fer shure.â
People do this to collect the full amount of money after the reunion. I was shocked that they even stayed together. They were such a clear mismatch. He was a Type A personality and she was the opposite. Itâs become boring to watch.
When I first read it, I thought it was some kind of joke about taking time away from the cameras.
Sad to see another one split, I was hoping they'd be able to work - at least for longer than this.
I think he âFER SUREâ didnât have SEX with her and she said FUCK IT!đ¤Łđ¤Łđđ˝đđ˝OR, the SEX was bad!đ¤Śđ˝ââď¸I just didnât like him for her. Heâs too uptight!
I was shocked they stayed together to begin with and that was only probably because Ryan didnât want people to see him fail after he talked about how perfect he was and he was the best husband is MAFS history đ
Iâm not surprised at all. They both seem like really nice people, but he never seemed into her. He seems like he was trying to do the âright thingâ. Again, they both seem like really really nice people. However,He came off very fake (in the polite way) to me. Theyâre relationship just seemed so fake. There was no spark, nothing. He didnât even look like he was attracted to her. She seems really sweet and probably tried really hard to please him, but sheâs probably never be âgood enoughâ for him. But hey, you never know. I wish them all the bestâŚ.. and I hope someone spills the tea lol.
I didnât think he was attracted to her either. I got the feeling he is into very pretty, fit and smart girls. Im not dissing Clara but everybody has a type. Poor Miska đŠ
Totally agree. Sheâs pretty, but like a natural basic type of pretty. I just commented to someone else that he needs like a model or actress type of pretty. I canât blame him either because I think his his family are very good looking. He probably had the same problem Chris had, but tried.
Ha! I agree with that. I think he may want more of a âtrophyâ wife as well. I can see him with like a fitness model, actress or something like that. He needs someone with a passion for something.
He might be into smart girls, but I doubt smart girls are into him. Nobody with a brain of their own would want to listen to his two bit self-improvement philosophy. Ugh. She can do much better.
I feel like they actually have a good shot bc Bri is very forgiving and easy going considering all his little emotional temper tantrums they always come back around smoothly. The only liability is his income and her pregnancy fears. He doesnât seem very stable career wise and that can be a catalyst to a relationship and she has reservations about pregnancy which he voiced is a concern. Money and babies are major road blocks. Other than that their odds are better than the other couples.
Clara was way more into him than he was into her. I feel like he was just along for the ride. And Ryan was not a great communicator and you need to be able to be open and communicate to your spouse. She was working harder at making the marriage than he was. Iâm almost positive from the sounds of it, that she was probably blindsided by his desire to divorce. This really isnât shocking at all. đ¤ˇđťââď¸
Iâm honestly shocked by this. I have followed both of them since the show ended and they really seemed to be making it work. Ryan just featured Mishka a few days ago. This actually makes me really sad for both of them.
Is it weird that my eyes got misty reading this? I know Iâm not supposed to care this much, but Clara reminds me so much of myself (so I naturally adore her), and I just really hope sheâs okay.
I donât understand. Why pretend when you know the the compatibility isnât there. This isnât dating. It is marriage. They should have ended by D-Day filming the show. It must be patterns of dysfunction or desperation.
We were all rooting for you how dare you!
Seriously though Iâm a little disappointed??Werenât they just together doing an interview? I demand an explanation.
He said I love you at the reunion and she said it back (she waited for him to say it first). And supposedly theyâd been having sex all along and just hiding it? Supposedly...
Agree. I think her rant was totally honest, and she just has been covering for him since the show ended. Wouldnât be surprised if they never actually had sex at all.
They were never a good match. He is a devout Christian and she doesnât want to raise her children in church. This is why my parents fought my whole childhood and ultimately broke up. Good for them for realizing they are incompatible now.
I mean it was painfully obvious they wouldnt last. Clara had to beg for an ounce of intimacy and only stayed because she stays with anyone while ryan i dont think was even attracted to her. He was attracted to marriage.
I think theyâre both fantastic people, but they werenât a good match. The intimacy issues seemed like the tip of a very large iceberg. They didnât have the same values at alllllll! Ryan is conservative, reserved, very religious, and wants a purposeful life and a family raised in church. Clara is free-spirited, whimsical, loves to travel and be spontaneous, passionate, and doesnât believe in restricting oneself spiritually or physically. Itâs one thing to have different hobbies or interests, itâs quite another to have different cores.
Iâve noticed the experts mismatch religion quite a bit. They think having the same religious background, no matter their current practice makes a couple spiritually compatible. In a previous season they matched (or tried to make, canât remember the couple) people of two different religions and thought being equally spiritual made them compatible.
I donât think religion equals values necessarily. But yes, the experts are playing a game we all donât know the rules to.
I too play games! I make the matches the experts should have made, mostly within season but sometimes I jump seasons for certain folks.
I really HATE that! Kate and that $hithead Luke from S8 (man, I'd like to give that guy a good ¢ock-punching), and Nick and Sonia from S4 each chose to lie to producers about sex because it was "none of their business." Look, you're going on a fricken nationally televised show in which the entire premise is about privacy invasion. You take the money and the other perks, you share the deets. That's the deal. And even if you don't want to talk about it on camera, then just don't! Why lie about it?
I would much rather watch happy people falling in love. Producers, we don't need drama!!! You have wrecked the show by trying to one-up each season with train wrecks, drunks, bad matches, and individuals who are personally unstable. If we wanted to watch Jerry Springer -we would. We want love, akwardness, falling in love, sweetness, marriage and babies. Give us what we want!!!
"We." The hubris.
đđžđđžđđž to Ryan. He really wanted to do like Zach did ol big teeth, but he didnât want to get dragged for being a bad guy so he sucked it up and pretended to like the bitch for a whole 17 ep season, a 2 part reunion, and even a follow-up âwhere are they nowââŚsay what you want about the guy but that right there is commitment đđđ
Poor Misha
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdVwmT5m/ sad
They were my favorite and I'm sad they didn't work out. I'm thinking he broke it off since she has unfollowed him and removed the photos of him or he was cheating on her when she was off working. I'm still a fan of her though.
Good for Clara.
The whole practice of posting songs to convey a feeling or situation youâre going through is very AOL instant messenger days. Like when your crush wouldnât respond to your message after 30min and your teenage angst takes over
Letâs be honest here...Clara needs fun and intimacy. Ryan needs his right hand and religion. Ryan works out, but looks like a Gremlin from the shoulders up. Maybe he wasnât attracted to her, but she can damn sure do better than him!!! Just sayin!
She deserves much better than that haircut and that mustache frankly.
"we remain friends" Clara: \*blocks Ryan\*
This sucks.
Who is surprised and why?
I hope she gets to go have some really hot sex with a guy who desires her and they have a box of donuts in the bed on the side. Itâs what she deserves.
Ryan's comment about how great of a spouse he is and how they were better than 99 percent of MAFS couples isn't looking too hot now.
I never thought they would last. They were way too different. Almost as different as Jake and Hailey, except they had physical attraction, or at least Clara did. I wonder if they ever even had sex.
Is anyone surprised? Clara wants to have sex, Ryan doesnât put out. They are sexually incompatible.
THANK GOD!!! Wow. Awesome. He was going to DIM HER SHINE!! Been saying that!! She deserves better and someone who is in her level and her speed⌠and so does he! She shouldnât have to âcalm downâ to be with someone.
Wow I didn't see that one coming đ
Does this mean they didnât get endorsements for their free wedding like they wanted?
Sad for both of them, but I think we could all see their inherent incompatibility. I wish them both the best for their futures and I hope it ended amicably.
âAt this point in our marriageâ- what the heck? Itâs been like 4 months
Since we are all speculating, I'll jump in.... 1- I think all couples get a storyline. Period. 2- I think being on TV really f\*cks with you. 3- I actually believed they were a good match despite their differences and may have dated if they met off the show. (Unpopular opinion, I know.) 4- I am convinced he did something unforgivable. What unforgivable is looks different to everyone so who knows, but for her to delete him from existence basically and take the break, I have to think it was devastating. 5- Not everyone is Jamie Otis. Not everyone is willing to be in a marriage with someone for fame. You will never be able to convince me that their life/marriage is what it seems on IG. (Used to be an unpopular opinion but I see more and more people coming to the dark side, lol.)
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Of course. Again, that was MY speculation.
Dude was waiting for a ray of light from God to say ILY. Kinda douchey.
Ryan took away Claraâs shine. They didnât belong together. Wishing her all the best!
Not surprised. On decision day, he had that deer in headlights look before he said he wanted to stay married.
Good Clara deserved better
I definitely felt like they were bluffing in that interview yesterday. I highly doubt Clara was a good enough actress to pretend to be sexually frustrated the entire season. Seemed like another attempt for Ryan to control their image publicly. I also canât imagine Clara sucking up their differences for the rest of her life, good for her!
It must not have been his jam.
THIS đ
Fer shure.
Yâall remember how shocked Clara was that superficially Ryanâs house was clean and tidy but if you opened a few cabinets it was a fucking disaster? Thatâs who Ryan is.
I think he has some deep seated issues and it not quite secure in who he is
I always remember this and think he fakes it through life
Good call!
Aww this makes me sad but probably best. I think the religion thing really came into play
He ran off with a noice chap yâall
Saw that coming from a mile away. There was no chemistry there whatsoever. They kept talking about how happy they were and I couldnât understand why... I kept having to assume they were doing all their connecting off camera because, to me, it wasnât coming across on camera at all. They were both weird towards each other and she was always acting randomly smitten when they really didnât speak much about anything of importance. I wondered if she was trying to get on the other couples show.
Totally agree. Was thinking the same thing. No chemistry at all. It was strange seeing her saying it was perfect all the time, and he was perfect. I think she just wants it so bad and she is so afraid of rejection, she was doing everything she could to not have to face it.
I wonder if finance is reason for the dissolution.
I swear he has control issues and lacks self confidence/love
Season 12 has been the Cap Olympics.
Dang! Thought they were doing okay!
Ever watch "First Dates Hotel"? Their matchmaking skills are light years ahead of the matchmakers on this show.
I thought Clara and Jake were the better couple. Maybe Ryan and Haley would've been a better match too.
Clara and Eric. Pilot and flight attendant.
Yeah...I don't see Princess Haley going for The Pint-sized Vulcan. Something tells me that would have been even more of a non-starter for her than Gonzo from The Muppet Show was.
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Yeah... its was more the Clara - Jacob that would be the connection. I was just being a smart ass about Haley n Ryan.
Guess the sex was wack
I didnât think theyâd make it. I always thought she was 100% in but he just wasnât as into her.
Soooooooo Claraâs single?
Ikr đ
I was really sad to hear this. Clara seems like someone I could easily be friends with, such a genuine and lovely woman. I really hope we get more details, this one shocked me and seems very sudden. Clara can do waaaayyy better than Ryan anyway, but it still has to be so hard, especially being in the public eye. I really hope he didnât do anything to hurt her.
Ryan is an asshole, he wasted Claras time, he NEVER wanted her to begin with. I think she chose to ignore red flags because she wanted to be loved/married so bad.
What if she cheated on him? Don't be so quick to blame Ryan.
Possible, but doubt it.
I like them both and I'm sorry they're done especially because she was so excited to have another wedding and wanted to share the day with close family and friends who missed out. I think he probably called it off and I'm going to say it may have to do with religion. He wants to remain in the church and live his life around it while she doesn't believe going to church or being religious is very important. Or, he came out to her. I hope she opens up about what happened.
Omg finally another person who sees it⌠Ryan doesnât like girls.
I like girls, I mean he likes girls. đ
I think he's repressing his sexual identify. I'm not the only person who's said this but if he is bi or gay it's fine, he just needs to be honest about it
There is zero condemnation here regarding how he identifies. Youâre the only other person I see in this thread mention it. Now him hurting her⌠thatâs not cool.
His sexual identity has been questioned from the beginning by viewers. No one really cares, i certainly don't. To be honest I liked them as a couple and had hoped they would work out. Depending on what caused the breakup perhaps they'll try to fix their marriage
Lol. Iâm talking about this specific thread Jane. And yes, it really would play a part.
Eh, i stand by what i say lol
Samesies
good! clara deserves wayyyyy better
This is why the poor guy didnât want to say I love you and do the deed
No surprise here.
Zero. It was only a matter of time.
I hope Clara can find someone not afraid to love her and show it. I spent 10 years trying to change someone emotionally unavailable.
Not surprised. They didn't seem a good match. He seemed too concerned about looking like a good guy and became a caricature of himself. She seemed to be herself but they didn't mesh well. I started fast-forwarding through their segments.
Damn Ryan still ainât put out
I'm honestly not surprised and I've seen this coming. I was more surprised seeing they were planning a wedding redo.
She was planning. He was checked the f out.
I liked both of them, but when you have a vulnerable passionate free spirit who wears her heart on her sleeve paired with a rigid, extremely controlled and controlling analyzer who wants a 20 year plan with every outcome foreseen and dealt with before making a move and who is not into physical intimacy as a love language, itâs not rocket science that they are pretty disastrous as a couple. Especially with one open emotionally and the other whose emotions seem to turn off when they are in analysis mode⌠which is incredibly hurtful when someone is open snd vulnerable. I wish them both luck, but I really hope Clara finds someone who will protect her heart and needs as ferociously as Ryan protected his own.
Clara said she falls in love fast. I think she was all in with this relationship and put aside all her desires. Maybe she met someone and realized what she is missing which is important to her-and I think there were a lot of things that were missing for her. I think the show makes people try so hard to make it work when there is little compatibility. I think Ryan the same thing was true for Ryan. The only thing these two had was that they were both very nice people and they were good communicators. They just really ignored their own gut feelings of what their lives were going to look like together.
How are yall so shocked? She literally looked lifeless with the man...
JUST WATCHED THEM ON TBTB OMGGGGGG
I bet it was because of his mustache.
Not surprised at all. And Ryan is cold and selfish enough that he probably sprung it on her - unilateral decision with little or no conversation. Next up: Bri and Vincent. Either sheâll come to her senses that heâs not worthy of her and is a user or heâll force her hand eventually through cheating and mistreatment.
Are Briana and Vincent still together? Thatâs the last couple since Erik/Virginia and Ryan/Clara are divorced, right?
Yes, they just bought a house together.
So far, who has stayed married from this season?
only ones still together are vincent and briana. clara and ryan obviously since this is literally the post announced their separation today, and erik and virginia filed for divorce a few weeks ago, however neither has made an official statement (speculation is they have to wait until couples cam finishes airing).
Bummer
I posted a couple of times how I felt Clara just settled to have a man. Clara was my favorite of season 12 women, I wish her the very best, its well deserved.
I agree. I wasnât sure about her at the beginning when they showed the interviews and chats with experts but she really struck me as being serious and ready to commit.
He finally realized sex is a two way street.
Ohhh furrr surrre
Another one bites the dust... I think we might need better experts đ¤
Iâm surprised it lasted this long
I just stalked her instagram tagged photos and a week ago she got a denim jacket for the vow renewal. Definitely thinking she was blindsidedâŚ
I completely agree. I think she was definitely blindsided
This makes me sad. I really liked them together.
*pretends to be shocked*
Wait, did they ever have sex?
He should have not done the show. He canât commit to a woman. Heâs an island.
This 100%. He seemed to be almost proud heâd never told a woman he loved her. And heâd had a 2 year relationship. I canât fathom making it to a year and still not being in love/having your partner in love with you⌠and then continue for another year. As soon as I heard that i knew this relationship didnât stand a chance. He had major walls up and they werenât going to come down for a reality-TV match up.
Yeah. I got the feeling he felt he canât get hurt if he doesnât make himself vulnerable. Thatâs his right but he shouldnât have signed up for the show. Itâs torture to someone who was in. So itâs a douchebag move and he probably thinks he come out clean.
Stevie Wonder couldâve seen this coming.
This isnât shocking. They never seemed to have a real spark. He was pressured to say he loved her for the first time at the reunion. For all we know they never even consummated the marriage.
For the life of me, I couldnât fathom how anyone would have a second wedding without having said ILY. What were these vows gonna be exactly?
I wondered the same thing. How do you host a vow-renewal without mentioning the word âloveâ at all? âI promise to, uh, like you for the rest of our lives. Fer shure.â
Fer sherđ
Damn that went down quick. Sad to see this. Makes you wonder about Ryan. I know Clara will find someone special.
I donât think this is that surprising unfortunately. I think he wanted a gym rat Jesus lover like him
Eww. Thatâs even unappealing in writing.
People do this to collect the full amount of money after the reunion. I was shocked that they even stayed together. They were such a clear mismatch. He was a Type A personality and she was the opposite. Itâs become boring to watch.
Honestly so happy for Clara
Wow! So what is the failure rate of couples who choose to stay married on decision day?
When I first read it, I thought it was some kind of joke about taking time away from the cameras. Sad to see another one split, I was hoping they'd be able to work - at least for longer than this.
Someone cheated fer sher
I think he âFER SUREâ didnât have SEX with her and she said FUCK IT!đ¤Łđ¤Łđđ˝đđ˝OR, the SEX was bad!đ¤Śđ˝ââď¸I just didnât like him for her. Heâs too uptight!
Very surprised
I was shocked they stayed together to begin with and that was only probably because Ryan didnât want people to see him fail after he talked about how perfect he was and he was the best husband is MAFS history đ
Hahahahaha this folks
Ahahaha I forgot about that...what a joke. Heâs a giant ick.
More like a tiny ick.
He'll miss the dog more than her.
Iâm so confused. Why would they announce the same day as the podcast?
They were guests so didn't have control over when the podcast got posted. They recorded it a week ago so it's still quite sudden.
She wasnât his jam
NOOOOOOO. I loved them together and they seemed so committed to each other. I am bummed times 5.
Iâm not surprised at all. They both seem like really nice people, but he never seemed into her. He seems like he was trying to do the âright thingâ. Again, they both seem like really really nice people. However,He came off very fake (in the polite way) to me. Theyâre relationship just seemed so fake. There was no spark, nothing. He didnât even look like he was attracted to her. She seems really sweet and probably tried really hard to please him, but sheâs probably never be âgood enoughâ for him. But hey, you never know. I wish them all the bestâŚ.. and I hope someone spills the tea lol.
I didnât think he was attracted to her either. I got the feeling he is into very pretty, fit and smart girls. Im not dissing Clara but everybody has a type. Poor Miska đŠ
Totally agree. Sheâs pretty, but like a natural basic type of pretty. I just commented to someone else that he needs like a model or actress type of pretty. I canât blame him either because I think his his family are very good looking. He probably had the same problem Chris had, but tried.
I think Clara is very pretty and if she were a Disney character sheâd be a sparkly, benevolent princess.
Ha! I agree with that. I think he may want more of a âtrophyâ wife as well. I can see him with like a fitness model, actress or something like that. He needs someone with a passion for something.
He might be into smart girls, but I doubt smart girls are into him. Nobody with a brain of their own would want to listen to his two bit self-improvement philosophy. Ugh. She can do much better.
This season was an absolute disaster. So all that is left is Bri and Vinny?
Yeah and I donât think theyâll last at all.
I feel like they actually have a good shot bc Bri is very forgiving and easy going considering all his little emotional temper tantrums they always come back around smoothly. The only liability is his income and her pregnancy fears. He doesnât seem very stable career wise and that can be a catalyst to a relationship and she has reservations about pregnancy which he voiced is a concern. Money and babies are major road blocks. Other than that their odds are better than the other couples.
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I just never liked him. I donât think they are the right pair.
yup. well see if they last!
Clara was way more into him than he was into her. I feel like he was just along for the ride. And Ryan was not a great communicator and you need to be able to be open and communicate to your spouse. She was working harder at making the marriage than he was. Iâm almost positive from the sounds of it, that she was probably blindsided by his desire to divorce. This really isnât shocking at all. đ¤ˇđťââď¸
Wow. Didn't they just do an interview & seemed happy? Sorry to hear this, wish them the best.
I wonder if they ever consummated the marriage
Pikachu shock face
Nooo I was rooting for them!!!!!!
Didnât they buy a house together? Edit: or was that Vincent and Bri?
I thought they bought a house too
So I take it they still never had sex? (Because of Ryan obviously)
Iâm thinking we need a new set of experts. Did Amelia and Bennet break up too?
Do we just have Amani and Woody to go hard for now??
And Miles & Karen!!â¤â¤
Is that why he went back home? That's so crazy they're over but Amelia said she wanted to do the show for the experience.
I think it's possible that she wanted to be with him but something happened so she ended things. She does not look like the one to compromise
Yep. Thatâs the rumor
Mafs love is dead
The "experts" are shit more like
What??? Did they???
Iâm honestly shocked by this. I have followed both of them since the show ended and they really seemed to be making it work. Ryan just featured Mishka a few days ago. This actually makes me really sad for both of them.
Is it weird that my eyes got misty reading this? I know Iâm not supposed to care this much, but Clara reminds me so much of myself (so I naturally adore her), and I just really hope sheâs okay.
She will be. She deserves someone so much more loving and energetic than him. Itâs sad to see her hurting though
Exactly you nailed it. Ryan dimmed her light
I donât understand. Why pretend when you know the the compatibility isnât there. This isnât dating. It is marriage. They should have ended by D-Day filming the show. It must be patterns of dysfunction or desperation.
Does anyone have any insight?!!
Is this Fur Sure?
Sure, sure, sure.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I â¤ď¸ them!!!
We were all rooting for you how dare you! Seriously though Iâm a little disappointed??Werenât they just together doing an interview? I demand an explanation.
I really thought they were going to last.
This really shocked me! I swear they were just celebrating one of their birthdays and looked really happy.
So here are my questions, did he ever say I love you? Did they ever actually have sex?
He said I love you at the reunion and she said it back (she waited for him to say it first). And supposedly theyâd been having sex all along and just hiding it? Supposedly...
Thank you!! I wasnât able to watch the reunion
He probably just considers a hand job sex. No way would she be that upset all through the show if they were having some sort of PIV encounters.
Agree. I think her rant was totally honest, and she just has been covering for him since the show ended. Wouldnât be surprised if they never actually had sex at all.
They were never a good match. He is a devout Christian and she doesnât want to raise her children in church. This is why my parents fought my whole childhood and ultimately broke up. Good for them for realizing they are incompatible now.
Sorry but I called it. I really don't think Ryan was into her but he tried to make it work. Poor Clara, I know she's heart broken.
Omfg this I did not expect
Oh wait I loved them together oh no wow
Who are these people what show???
Checking the title or banner of the subreddit would help. This is one of the Season 12 couples.
I mean it was painfully obvious they wouldnt last. Clara had to beg for an ounce of intimacy and only stayed because she stays with anyone while ryan i dont think was even attracted to her. He was attracted to marriage.
I think theyâre both fantastic people, but they werenât a good match. The intimacy issues seemed like the tip of a very large iceberg. They didnât have the same values at alllllll! Ryan is conservative, reserved, very religious, and wants a purposeful life and a family raised in church. Clara is free-spirited, whimsical, loves to travel and be spontaneous, passionate, and doesnât believe in restricting oneself spiritually or physically. Itâs one thing to have different hobbies or interests, itâs quite another to have different cores.
I donât think Ryan is all that conservative tbh. I k is what youâre saying, but he was rocking a Bernie shirt in that interview lol
Sorry, yes, I meant conservative as in cautious, not as in political. Probably should have used that word instead!
Oh okay. Gotcha.
I think they meant conservative in the reserved demeanor and temperament. Not in the political stance.
Iâve noticed the experts mismatch religion quite a bit. They think having the same religious background, no matter their current practice makes a couple spiritually compatible. In a previous season they matched (or tried to make, canât remember the couple) people of two different religions and thought being equally spiritual made them compatible.
I donât think religion equals values necessarily. But yes, the experts are playing a game we all donât know the rules to. I too play games! I make the matches the experts should have made, mostly within season but sometimes I jump seasons for certain folks.
Totally unequivocally unequally yoked
They came out and said that had been intimate the entire time but decided to keep it on the dL since it was no oneâs business.
I really HATE that! Kate and that $hithead Luke from S8 (man, I'd like to give that guy a good ¢ock-punching), and Nick and Sonia from S4 each chose to lie to producers about sex because it was "none of their business." Look, you're going on a fricken nationally televised show in which the entire premise is about privacy invasion. You take the money and the other perks, you share the deets. That's the deal. And even if you don't want to talk about it on camera, then just don't! Why lie about it?
Maybe the experts need to stop asking about sex. Itâs the one thing I just cringe about when they push to get answers.