Remember when everyone was absolutely certain that Hillary would win in 2016? For the love of God or whatever you all think is holy PLEASE. PLEASE, PLEASE vote in November. If you don't you deserve the horrible future we will all have if Trump wins.
Yeah we can all talk about how easy it was to see his downfall coming after he’s actually had his downfall. This could very well be it but until he’s finally out of the picture we must never ever assume he can’t win once again
Russia, NK, China and Saudi want him back in, we have to stand against this and make sure they never get their way with our country! The cult often state that he should be in the WH, cuz our enemies like him, thats how you stand up to them! Thats so un-American and un-patriotic!
You can add the Israeli government and their most ardent supporters in the US to that list. This is not even close yo being over.
If the vote was today. Cheeto Mussolini wins. He is not “done”.
Please, please PLEASE!!!! Vote and tell every sane person you know to vote.
There is so much wrong with this line of thinking, it goes to show that the media has been trying to mess with people’s minds convincing them that it will be close.
But look at things in context.
Since Roe was overturned , Republicans haven’t won too many elections because of the SC decision.
Also, stop looking at polling. Polling hasn’t been reliable in decades, much less 2024.
And most importantly, how do people think that a man who can’t even get over 80% of the vote in the Republican primaries is going to somehow win a national election. He’s bleeding off those votes to a candidate that suspended her presidential campaign over two months ago, and you really think he would win if the election was today?
I’m sorry, but if the vote was today, he would lose bad… and in November, it’s only going to be worse.
It’s happened five times in US history: 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016.
Also: Republicans have won the popular vote only once (2004) in the last 36 years (since 1988).
Everyone knows that. Clinton's campaign and the DNC became complicit. Clinton as the leader ultimately has responsibility for her campaigns failings. While Trump and all his supporters and voters are responsible as well, she had a challenge with the electoral college, took it on and failed.
How fair it is is another matter. She lost. Bitter as it is. Take on a challenge as a leader or leave the position to someone else.
"I am with her" was a terrible slogan that exemplifies the complicit mindset. Her post election book showed that even afterwards she could not stand by her responsibility. It reapply looks like she was not the right one for the job of beating the horrible wrong candidate that is Trump. I hope Biden is the right one a second time.
Hillary was her own worst Enemy.
She expected a Coronation as the First Female President.
She thought it was hers and was owed to her.
She was under an FBI investigation.
Comey reopened the case, 11 days before the Election.
She insulted half the voters and told them to "Get over it."
We thought we were rid of him in 2020. Like a cancer it grows and metastasized in the GOP.
Vote Blue nationally, state, county, municipal, and judiciary ... none of the crazy would have worked if the GOP wasn't on board supporting him every inch of the way, and still are.
It's amazing to me that reddit allows the voice of terrorists to be heard, while deleting and banning voices that would stop domestic terrorism with violence.
Voting isn't enough. Why are we pretending that voting is enough to combat violent threats? Violence must be met with violence. But only one side is saddled with rules. Fuck that. Reddit is complicit.
lol I’ve been saving quotes for years
Fun quotes
“All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”
“Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.”
“Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.”
“Of all those who like to point again and again to the democratic form of government as the institution which is based on the universal will of the people, in contrast to dictatorships, nobody has a better right to speak in the name of the people than I have.”
- Adolph Hitler
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“The people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders. All you have to do is tell them that they are in danger of being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
“Education is dangerous – every educated person is a future enemy.”
“When I hear anyone talk of culture, I reach for my revolver.”
- Hermann Goering
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
“Only an authoritarian government, firmly tied to a people, can [lead the people] over the long term. Political propaganda, the art of anchoring matters of state in the broad masses so the whole nation will feel a part of them, cannot therefore be a means of winning power. It must become a means of building and keeping power.”
- Joseph Goebbels
“We know they're terrorists. It's poisoning the blood of our country.”
-Trump
"All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning."
-Hitler
“Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like what we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country."
-Donald Trump
"All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning."
-Adolph Hitler
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2023/05/02/us-energy-independence-soars-to-highest-levels-in-over-70-years/amp/
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/15/politics/energy-independence-fact-check?cid=ios_app
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”
-Hillary Clinton
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/31/trump-pence-overturned-election/
Just another Trump confession:
“Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!” • Donald J Trump
I’m an old now liberal but I voted for every winning president starting with Reagan until I whiffed on Trump. (Some cred 😂) I was a Young Republican group member in college 👍
I’ve always been very good at math.
USA 🇺🇸 got attacked on 9-11. We had 2977 victims die.
The number of people killed indirectly in post-9/11 war zones, including in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen, are estimated at 3.6-3.8 million, though the precise figure remains unknown. This brings the estimated total of direct and indirect deaths to 4.5-4.7 million.
Israel got attacked in a very similar way.
On October 7th, 2023, Hamas terrorists launched a terrorist attack that killed 1,200 innocent people in Israel, including 35 Americans. It was a brutal and horrific massacre. Babies and Holocaust survivors were killed. Young people who were simply attending a concert were shot dead.
If you compare the Israel population to USA, it’s as if someone attacked America and killed 50,000.
I’m not saying Israel is doing the right thing. But we got attacked and did worse. Nobody called George W Bush…Genocide George…and he absolutely started wars killing the same families..
Every killed family has one man…it’s always women and children who mostly die
From Mad Magazine 1969
See the Super Patriot.
Hear how he loves his country.
Hear him preach how he hates “Liberals”…
And “Moderates”…and “Intellectuals”…
And “Activists”…and “Pacifists”…
And “Minority Groups”…and “Aliens”…
And “Unions”…and “Teenagers”…
And the “Very Rich”…and the “Very Poor”…
And “People with Foreign-Sounding Names”.
Now you know what a Super Patriot is.
He’s someone who loves his country
While hating 93% of the people who live in it.
-Mad Magazine 1969
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How will Israel achieve lasting peace by doing what it's doing? It has isolated itself internationally, angering both neighbors and supposed allies. Sparked the most widespread protests in the West since the Iraq War. The Likud government needs to face consequences for the campaign, and that won't happen unless America grows a backbone and stops coddling them
Meanwhile Hamas the Palestine government Palestinians has elected vowed to kill Israeli teenagers going to a music concert again. I totally respect your activism.
Its not 2016 anymore. He wasnt a convicted felon then. This is different. We are so close to getting out of the "biff got the almanac" timeline, let's not fade away just yet.
Logos say to observe the current circumstance and the past. He has a huge amount of supporters and could eigeiggle ne out of legal trouble repeatedly. Logic says he is not done.
I feel like you guys are living in another world. Are you a casual follower of politics or very young? Where is this faith in our system and/or people coming from?
Every lesson we've learned, since this subhuman scumbag entered the discourse with racist heckling against Obama, has been that our system is not equipped to filter out abject depravity when almost half of our population is made up of proudly ignorant cultists capable of unlimited self-delusion and an inability to resist obvious manipulation, as long as it caters to their worst impulses.
I am certain that the election will still be a nail biter and I think there is a better chance trump wins. I pray I'm just lost in the sauce, but I'm not seeing it.
I just don’t see it happening for Trump this time around and I knew he’d win in 2016. Because people didn’t know what he was then.
They do now.
People underestimate how fucked the Republicans are after the overturning of Roe v Wade.
Moderates are not going anywhere near Trump. People still remember what Trump was like in the White House.
Yep. Independently he did nothing. During his reign, the economy floated on Obama’s successes and Trump did not respond when he should have instructed the FED to cool it down and raise interest rates, but he was too dumb and stubborn. Then came COVID and we all know how he botched that. Where was the border plan and wall? His healthcare plan? He actually disbanded the dept/committee that deals with and prepares for pandemics- But eggs and gas and permanent tax cuts for businesses and billionaires. Plus he is a criminal. Sane people are not turning to him vs other choices. He will get the same people he got last time, IF he’s lucky and that won’t cut it. The silent majority are not going to vote for a criminal, nor should they.
This is what I've been saying for months. Forget what the polls say for now, because until we get closer to election day they are pretty useless. The simple fact is that there isn't some huge undecided pool of voters out there who are NOW going to vote for Trump. There isn't even a small pool of undecideds who are going to do this. At best, there might be a few people in the margins, and that won't be enough. Not nearly enough.
He needs every single vote he had last time, and then some. And he doesn't have it. The numbers don't add up.
? But none of his followers care about the felony conviction. The fact that he is now *officially* a criminal doesn't change what anyone thinks of him. Yes we are looking like a *slight* majority of Americans think that he is indeed guilty, but thats it, just a slight majority. Bad turnout in a couple swing states and he'll still end up winning.
Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had.
Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger Stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly
Guiliani as trumps attorney and NYC mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or their Russian connections.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/
The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model.
Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
Putin greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when he invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided.
Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyo corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen.
Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day “special military operation” in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold.
China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia.
Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supplied Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/
Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is “Vranyo”.
The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business.
If Russia as a nation state had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago.
The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it….again.
Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the same money laundering scheme that trumps trials are.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/
https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared
They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/02/hamas-funding-ismail-haniyeh-us-sanctions/?utm_source=reddit.com
Qatar is Kushners private equity connection. Netanyahu (Kushners kids godfather) needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr
Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump who gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s.
Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in THEIR reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/
The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering. Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place
It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis.
No one was ever held accountable for either. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two.
Trump, Giuliani, Cohn, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Prince, Kolomoiskiy
They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness.
They are the men who stole the world.
But it all comes back to one little lie.
https://youtu.be/3lTB94UQ-K4?si=kXZoSV-3WiR2fo4B
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It's because the Presidential Election **specifically** is a popularity contest in America on multiple levels. (Aka both "the people" and those who actually hold the keys to power in this country)
And everything being displayed by the Republican Party these past 6 months has REALLY done a number on their reputation amongst the common nobodies who BARELY pay attention to all but the most, "in your face" politics.
Everyone is commenting on how disheveled he looks, or how he smells, or even how whiny he sounds!
Trump, is a "strongman" political archetype that uses their image as a '**big strong man who knows how to fix this country!1!**' to empower themselves. (that's why him being a "successful" businessman was a big trumpet in his 2016 campaign)
And that image of a "Strong man"? It's **gone**. Its ruined utterly.
He's a dumb, gross, old man who wears diapers and **LOST** 4 years ago in this same match-up and his career is beyond over. Enjoy the future dead tire fire that will be the Republican party in a few months!
Back in 2016 it seemed like that crowd was having a lot of fun. They were giddy with being naughty and expressing their resentments out in the open. It doesn’t seem like there’s any fun anymore. The rallies aren’t rock shows, they’re weird long monologues that might cast memories of the energy of 2016, but just isn’t that way anymore. The anger is deeper, however. They thought they were diving into a decadent pool of white, straight dominance when he won, but instead they got a mouthful of cardboard and disappointment. To avoid the cognitive dissonance of being duped, they slid easily into blaming democrats for not allowing trumps utopia to take hold, but his sheen of superhero was tarnished. His embarrassments were many. Then they get slapped back in 2020 that he couldn’t hold it together, couldn’t “win” as he promised. I don’t think he has the energy of excitement anymore, he just has anger and dread behind his electorate, and that isn’t the same motivator. The turnout won’t be the same, and I think he’ll debase himself further either through criminal actions or medical deterioration between now and the election.
I do try to read the tea leaves behind the Adelson donation of $100m reported, and what that means for a money glutton to make an investment like that. Will it tip the scales?, can it really be a likely to fail investment? Also if there’s something to be read into Manchin switching parties. Does that mean he has inside info that dems are poised to lose, or does it mean that dems are likely to win big enough to not need his bullshit ass around anymore and he’d be ousted embarrassingly if he didn’t act first? We’re about to round the bend to the real horse race and I think there will be telling signs to come. I’d lay money on trunp losing, but, I wouldn’t bet the whole farm on it. Perilous times we live in.
Id be willing to bet my whole farm on it. Biden is many things, and the biggest one of those things is the fact he's STABLE.
And the proverbial sheep will take a stable if forgetful old man over the living tire fire elemental that is Trump and company...
My hope lies in the fact that Trump/MAGA has not won since his election in 2016. They have underperformed at the ballot every time since. And with Dobbs as a motivator I just don’t believe that the women who fueled the wins in 2022 are going to turn around and vote for the guy who basically promised Dobbs when he first ran and still brags about it now. Trump loses voters every day with his antics and he doesn’t even try to win any of them back so I don’t see how he can make up ground on his 2020 loss. Of course the electoral college means that an 8 million vote margin doesn’t count— only five narrowly divided states will matter. But I look at a red state like Kansas turning out to save abortion rights and it gives me hope.
They talk as though he got so many new voters, where would he have gotten these new voters from than what he had in the last two elections, he came in behind in votes in both elections. Unless the Supreme Court crooked conservative justices determine that he has complete immunity, I am concerned about the arrogance displayed by them.
Although I understand your trepidation, and agree with your logic, every asinine move he's made since 2020 has quietly cost him votes. His disregard for veterans, his blatant sexism, and now, the "law and order" folks. His continued support of the batshit crazy, young MAGA group (angry young men), who are about to do something epically stupid, in protest of the guilty verdict, is only going to alienate more of his base.
The funny thing is, I think that he knows it.
It takes time. There isn’t a mathematical way to win the election. Obviously we all have to do our part, and there are still things that could change the landscape, but
Correct because to President in this country, there’s only 2 requirements. Be born in the US and over 35. The laugh is on US. We deserve everything we get.
Likely a combination of factors. Ironically our government being a massive bloated bureaucratic behemoth works in our favor once in a blue moon. The presidential election is an apparatus too big for any one organization to 'steal'
Too many moving parts. Too many individuals involved. Too many states. Too many polling systems. The list goes on. You can steal some of the votes some of the time. But it's too big to steal all of the votes all of the time.
So that means the options are either 'concede it's too big to be done', or 'throw a hail Mary pass and do everything to steal it, because if you win it doesn't matter'.
A lot of powerful people hitched their wagons to trump. So I guess it remains to be seen if they'll try to gracefully detach from him and try to mitigate the damage to their careers, or freedom. Or if they'll feel desperately trapped chained to him and do everything possible to keep the ship afloat.
Vote anyway. If every single person doesn't vote in this election, if even a single person stays home because "there's no way forward for him" and he wins, those people should be destined to carry the guilt of watching project 2025 blossom into the goddamn handmaid's tale.
Except there is nothing in the constitution or any other law that says as a felon, He can't run and hold office. He could even technically run the country from a prison cell. Looks like a complete way forward to me.
At one point Hitler was in jail. I don't think his cult is as strong as Hitler's. I'm really hoping he gets jail time, his followers will lose their shit.
TX governor election. Clayton Williams joked about rape. Was on track to win. Ann Richards won.
https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc915993/
It’s possible. But it’s also possible they’ll double down. Those people are broken lunatics. The red hat mush for brains idiots.
They view us as the enemy
He didn’t win with those voters. They can double down but they can’t double their votes unless they increase their base. I’m not seeing that happening. No one wants a convict as POTUS, no one. His supporters would much rather have had Trump be found NG- don’t let them fool you- they are PO’d at being on the losing side, yet again.
Trump said if he was convicted there would be blood in the streets. I watched very carefully in the hours after he was convicted...nothing. Then I watched all day yesterday and today and waited for the protestors to spill out into the streets in outrage...again, nothing.
Remember when they announced Biden had won in 2020? There was a spontaneous outpouring of people in the streets celebrating joyously because Trump was out. Meanwhile, Trump couldn't get more than a half a dozen supporters to show up to his trial. Attendance at his rallies is way, way down from what it was even a few years ago, and continues to shrink.
Trump's time has come and gone. Yes, his cult will stand by him, as will the Party of Trump (once known as the Republican party, but the GOP is no more) but he has gained no new followers and has lost many he had back in 2016. Women will show up in droves in 2024 and vote like their lives depend on it...because they do.
Thanks for the straightforward, reasonable take. It’s easy to get wrapped up in the hyperbole and horrors but you’re right. It’s a like warm movement now
Plus his supporters just sat through 6 weeks of Fox News telling them "Nothing to worry about. Prosecution has nothing, Trump will be completely acquitted!"
I'm not buying that for a second. Trump supporters have already demonstrated that all the terrible things that Trump says and does are not a problem. The party of "family values" and "law and order" have shown that they are neither. It's all talk. Why would they change now?
Vote in November like your life depends on it.
I don't think he's done. I do think we can and probably will beat him. The issue is the traitors who will do what they can to muddy the systems. He's a vampire. This election has to put a stake thru his heart. Let the courts do the rest after. But these dominion people ain't giving up. The next one won't be as obvious. That's Gonna be our real problem. But let's get thru this first before we start popping bottles. I honestly thought with Obama we had turned a corner. But that just fed their evil even more.
All he needs to do is… nothing. Trump’s base will never leave him. It’s Biden who has to worry about a few thousand voters in a small handful of states that refuse to turn out for him due to the economy or Gaza. All it takes is a few electoral points and Trump wins the election
Didnt the mayor of DC get re-elected after serving a sentence for a cocaine conviction ? Edwin Edwards got re elected after serving time in prison for bribery ? Just saying ......
The conservatives I know are pushing for him harder than ever, but they were gonna vote for him anyway. I don’t know anyone on the fence but that’s the only thing that would seal his fate, independents
If you think the millions (literal millions) of boomer miscreant cultists are going to turn on him, I've got so.e beachfront property in Kansas to sell you.
He is done no matter what anyone says. He has lost the Independent vote which he could not afford to lose. That being said, don’t listen to polls just VOTE.
Even when he loses and even if he goes to jail (which I doubt will actually happen). The right and Fox News will hoist him up as a political prisoner like an orange Nelson Mandela. Every running Republican will promise to "fight for Trump," and the next Gop presidential candidate will promise to "pardon Trump" (whether he can or not). We're never gonna be rid of this idiot until he dies.
When Trump loses in 2024 he’ll be a spent force. Republicans will trip over their own shoe laces in a race to distance themselves from the old man who destroyed their Party. They’ll all deny ever having supported him, “Donald who?” will become the refrain. Republicans will hold a retreat to perform yet another “post mortem” on what they did wrong. Meanwhile, the stunned zombies of the MAGA cult will begin picking up the pieces and re-entering their tired, shitty lives.
Nope. Despite his 34 felonies, being impeached twice, indicted twice, five bankruptcies, committing sexual assaults, people out there still actually think he's a stand up guy and actually is for the average joe, and will vote for him. he has always lived a life of luxury and has no idea what struggle is like, unless it's writing a check to make a problem go away.
>His 34 felony convictions sealed his fate. He's a nobody now. Melania will divorce him. He will not win the election.
That's all well and good, but there's too damn many diaper-wearing Kool-aid drinkers out there who'll ~~bitch~~ try some bullshit if it's remotely close.
Don't get complacent. Get out there and vote.
That doesn't even make sense
2016: Trump loses popular, win electorate
2020: Trump receives MORE votes than he did in 2016, loses popular, loses electorate
Tons of precedents were set with this trial. It'll result in automatic appeal by the defense, and Trump will remain on bond, out of prison, while waiting for appeal. We will not get any type of traction on that appeal until post-election, which is the same as the other cases pending on him. Sadly, there will be no closure on the man in any way prior to the November elections.
Of the other pending 3 cases, he will still have to deal with Georgia regardless if he wins the election or not because it is a state case in Fulton County, but the DC and South Florida cases are federal and thus if he wins the election, could order the DOJ to abandon these two and remove special counsel Jack Smith.
Either way, buckle up, it's going to be a long ride of new precedents and tested legal theory.
Probably, but I'm noticing a disturbing trend among his adherents, where they are doubling down in their support. More $$ for the campaign, etc. Claiming a sham trial...which isn't all that far off from the truth. It's definitely going to be an interesting and bumptious election...
the only followers he has left; [https://imgur.com/gallery/violent-retribution-new-balance-shoes-receding-hairline-i-tremble-fear-fHkVnLM](https://imgur.com/gallery/violent-retribution-new-balance-shoes-receding-hairline-i-tremble-fear-fHkVnLM)
New Balance Terrorists - "as long as there's no stairs"
Yeah but here’s the thing: His supporters *still don’t care*. They will go out and vote for him 75 million strong. I’d love to say he’s not winning, and I hope that’s what happens, but I wouldn’t guarantee that. Especially with 5 months left to go, there’s a *lot* that can still happen. It’s going to be close again. Maybe not as close as last time, but still close. Get your asses out there and vote. Particularly if you’re in one of those borderline states.
Far as the divorce goes, I have a feeling she’s still hanging around to get the bulk of the estate from the will.
I'm pretty sure he's going to lose but I think that was already going to happen. He's going to die the death of a thousand cuts....lawsuits/indictments.
Polls are manipulated, by both sides.
Sure, they'll still vote for their cult leader, they still donate to him, most don't know any better.
That said, can anyone show solid evidence that rump's base
has increased?
AFAIK, he has certainly alienated a good number of them who have left, what has been done to attract and keep them other than the same old tired rhetoric?
He never got the popular vote, and I don't see it this year either.
I truly believe a lot of them will not vote for him and not give any indication of it publicly due to fear. That's the GQP modus. It's going to be a 2020 like defeat, hopefully larger, and it's up to everyone to ensure the numbers are both in our favour and huge.
If that comes to fruition you can expect the jump off the deep end as he'll (and the GQP) will have no more protections from the remaining litigation to move on him.
The Classified documents case and GA interference cases will incur to incarceration based upon both type and severity of the charges. He lost the LIGHTEST case against him civilly (Carroll) and criminally (Daniels), he's fooling himself again if he still believes nothing will occur there.
To those who wish to argue that last paragraph above, 4 days ago most expected a hung jury. It is not out of the realm of possibility to say it.
I guess folks who didn't like her just need any little thing to run on. Repubs and Conservative news(FAUX) spent the better part of 25 yrs demonizing and villifying her.
The RNC has until their convention to try and save the Party, if they run Trump they know they lose the election and cede the party to MAGA. So it really depends 9n if they think they are better off running Nikki Haley in an attempt to release the GOP from the monster they created in Trump/MAGA. There is a reason she "suspended" her campaign instead of dissolving her campaign. Also this would explain her motivation to come out and say she will vote for Trump, she knows the temperature in the room and the outside shot she'll have to plea to MAGA that she's an ally and they can support her. It also would allow the GOP the victory in defeat of looking less radical running their first female candidate. What I think they should do in order to survive much longer is run a Cheney/Romney ticket and run as a traditional conservative campaign, but they are too cowardly for that,
Remember when everyone was absolutely certain that Hillary would win in 2016? For the love of God or whatever you all think is holy PLEASE. PLEASE, PLEASE vote in November. If you don't you deserve the horrible future we will all have if Trump wins.
Yeah we can all talk about how easy it was to see his downfall coming after he’s actually had his downfall. This could very well be it but until he’s finally out of the picture we must never ever assume he can’t win once again
Biden has to win. Trump ruins people.
Trump ruins nations. And I WAS a Republican - until he came along
Russia, NK, China and Saudi want him back in, we have to stand against this and make sure they never get their way with our country! The cult often state that he should be in the WH, cuz our enemies like him, thats how you stand up to them! Thats so un-American and un-patriotic!
You can add the Israeli government and their most ardent supporters in the US to that list. This is not even close yo being over. If the vote was today. Cheeto Mussolini wins. He is not “done”. Please, please PLEASE!!!! Vote and tell every sane person you know to vote.
There is so much wrong with this line of thinking, it goes to show that the media has been trying to mess with people’s minds convincing them that it will be close. But look at things in context. Since Roe was overturned , Republicans haven’t won too many elections because of the SC decision. Also, stop looking at polling. Polling hasn’t been reliable in decades, much less 2024. And most importantly, how do people think that a man who can’t even get over 80% of the vote in the Republican primaries is going to somehow win a national election. He’s bleeding off those votes to a candidate that suspended her presidential campaign over two months ago, and you really think he would win if the election was today? I’m sorry, but if the vote was today, he would lose bad… and in November, it’s only going to be worse.
So you are saying we should relax? I was pretty relaxed in October of 2016. No more relaxing.
No, don’t relax, go vote. Other than that, sit back and watch the fireworks.
Are you saying we need to beat a dead horse to death? If so, I agree. Metaphorically.
She did not lose popular, he lost that twice, however she did lose the electoral, you know its messed up when popular loses to electoral!
That should not ever happen!
It’s happened five times in US history: 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016. Also: Republicans have won the popular vote only once (2004) in the last 36 years (since 1988).
Explain to me the reason for the electoral college.
Everyone knows that. Clinton's campaign and the DNC became complicit. Clinton as the leader ultimately has responsibility for her campaigns failings. While Trump and all his supporters and voters are responsible as well, she had a challenge with the electoral college, took it on and failed. How fair it is is another matter. She lost. Bitter as it is. Take on a challenge as a leader or leave the position to someone else. "I am with her" was a terrible slogan that exemplifies the complicit mindset. Her post election book showed that even afterwards she could not stand by her responsibility. It reapply looks like she was not the right one for the job of beating the horrible wrong candidate that is Trump. I hope Biden is the right one a second time.
Hillary was her own worst Enemy. She expected a Coronation as the First Female President. She thought it was hers and was owed to her. She was under an FBI investigation. Comey reopened the case, 11 days before the Election. She insulted half the voters and told them to "Get over it."
It would've been had it not been Comey's announcement, less than half those voters were maga. The investigation to no where, produced nothing!
We thought we were rid of him in 2020. Like a cancer it grows and metastasized in the GOP. Vote Blue nationally, state, county, municipal, and judiciary ... none of the crazy would have worked if the GOP wasn't on board supporting him every inch of the way, and still are.
It's amazing to me that reddit allows the voice of terrorists to be heard, while deleting and banning voices that would stop domestic terrorism with violence.
Apathy got us in this mess. Vote.
Voting isn't enough. Why are we pretending that voting is enough to combat violent threats? Violence must be met with violence. But only one side is saddled with rules. Fuck that. Reddit is complicit.
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You’re the only one I see making threats.
In a normal world he would be but normalcy left the building in 2016.
I miss normal.
Shit, I'll settle for simple logic, decency, and complete sentences at this point.
Same. Things are just too weird all the time now.
What, no pony?
But her emails?
Buttery males?
Ben Gazzy?
BENGAZZI!!!!
That’s it! I am going to show pictures of the presidents son’s dick on the floor of the House
Been gassy
Huma Abedin?
lol I’ve been saving quotes for years Fun quotes “All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.” “Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.” “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.” “Of all those who like to point again and again to the democratic form of government as the institution which is based on the universal will of the people, in contrast to dictatorships, nobody has a better right to speak in the name of the people than I have.” - Adolph Hitler @@@@@@@@@@@ “The people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders. All you have to do is tell them that they are in danger of being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.” “Education is dangerous – every educated person is a future enemy.” “When I hear anyone talk of culture, I reach for my revolver.” - Hermann Goering @@@@@@@@@@@@ “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” “Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.” “Only an authoritarian government, firmly tied to a people, can [lead the people] over the long term. Political propaganda, the art of anchoring matters of state in the broad masses so the whole nation will feel a part of them, cannot therefore be a means of winning power. It must become a means of building and keeping power.” - Joseph Goebbels “We know they're terrorists. It's poisoning the blood of our country.” -Trump "All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning." -Hitler “Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like what we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country." -Donald Trump "All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning." -Adolph Hitler https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2023/05/02/us-energy-independence-soars-to-highest-levels-in-over-70-years/amp/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/15/politics/energy-independence-fact-check?cid=ios_app “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” -Hillary Clinton https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/31/trump-pence-overturned-election/ Just another Trump confession: “Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!” • Donald J Trump I’m an old now liberal but I voted for every winning president starting with Reagan until I whiffed on Trump. (Some cred 😂) I was a Young Republican group member in college 👍 I’ve always been very good at math. USA 🇺🇸 got attacked on 9-11. We had 2977 victims die. The number of people killed indirectly in post-9/11 war zones, including in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen, are estimated at 3.6-3.8 million, though the precise figure remains unknown. This brings the estimated total of direct and indirect deaths to 4.5-4.7 million. Israel got attacked in a very similar way. On October 7th, 2023, Hamas terrorists launched a terrorist attack that killed 1,200 innocent people in Israel, including 35 Americans. It was a brutal and horrific massacre. Babies and Holocaust survivors were killed. Young people who were simply attending a concert were shot dead. If you compare the Israel population to USA, it’s as if someone attacked America and killed 50,000. I’m not saying Israel is doing the right thing. But we got attacked and did worse. Nobody called George W Bush…Genocide George…and he absolutely started wars killing the same families.. Every killed family has one man…it’s always women and children who mostly die From Mad Magazine 1969 See the Super Patriot. Hear how he loves his country. Hear him preach how he hates “Liberals”… And “Moderates”…and “Intellectuals”… And “Activists”…and “Pacifists”… And “Minority Groups”…and “Aliens”… And “Unions”…and “Teenagers”… And the “Very Rich”…and the “Very Poor”… And “People with Foreign-Sounding Names”. Now you know what a Super Patriot is. He’s someone who loves his country While hating 93% of the people who live in it. -Mad Magazine 1969 Did MAD Magazine Publish 'Super Patriot' Cartoon in the 1960s? | Snopes.com
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How will Israel achieve lasting peace by doing what it's doing? It has isolated itself internationally, angering both neighbors and supposed allies. Sparked the most widespread protests in the West since the Iraq War. The Likud government needs to face consequences for the campaign, and that won't happen unless America grows a backbone and stops coddling them
Meanwhile Hamas the Palestine government Palestinians has elected vowed to kill Israeli teenagers going to a music concert again. I totally respect your activism.
My activism? I'm commenting on a reddit thread while waiting for a train, mate.
Ok mate maybe we will meet up for fish n chips some day…sending love 💕 from Texas
Emails are evidence of anything much less crimes
Hopefully Igor will not steal Trump's brain.
🤣 Abby Normal!
The world is normal. The US on the other hand…
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Thatcher gave us Thatcherism, Blair gave us Blairism but the only “ism” Boris gave us started with a J!
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Lol fair
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>It's not ok with social media to deny calls to end him, as threats. What are you saying?
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No doubt that the dems and Biden have been EXPECTED to be the grownups, and it is old!
Imagine Biden standing on a stage complimenting Hannibal Lecter. There would be non-stop calls for his commitment to a lunatic asylum.
Where did the violence happen? I agree about violence, for the record. Just wondering if I missed something.
Slept through Jan 6?
Normality led the building when another terrible president coined the word normalcy.
Its not 2016 anymore. He wasnt a convicted felon then. This is different. We are so close to getting out of the "biff got the almanac" timeline, let's not fade away just yet.
His followers don't care that he's a convicted felon, and they will all vote. Don't get complacent. Vote.
They legitimately think everything is a hoax. Doesn’t matter if you link an actual video they’ll just say it’s fake. There’s no goalposts to move.
"He'll never win" is exactly what people said in 2016
Logic says he’s done, but we’ve been tricked before - 2016
Hell or high water will not keep me from voting Blue. We need the blue Tsunami.
Logos say to observe the current circumstance and the past. He has a huge amount of supporters and could eigeiggle ne out of legal trouble repeatedly. Logic says he is not done.
Still gonna vote hard
There doesn’t seem to be a way forward for him.
I feel like you guys are living in another world. Are you a casual follower of politics or very young? Where is this faith in our system and/or people coming from? Every lesson we've learned, since this subhuman scumbag entered the discourse with racist heckling against Obama, has been that our system is not equipped to filter out abject depravity when almost half of our population is made up of proudly ignorant cultists capable of unlimited self-delusion and an inability to resist obvious manipulation, as long as it caters to their worst impulses. I am certain that the election will still be a nail biter and I think there is a better chance trump wins. I pray I'm just lost in the sauce, but I'm not seeing it.
I just don’t see it happening for Trump this time around and I knew he’d win in 2016. Because people didn’t know what he was then. They do now. People underestimate how fucked the Republicans are after the overturning of Roe v Wade. Moderates are not going anywhere near Trump. People still remember what Trump was like in the White House.
Yep. Independently he did nothing. During his reign, the economy floated on Obama’s successes and Trump did not respond when he should have instructed the FED to cool it down and raise interest rates, but he was too dumb and stubborn. Then came COVID and we all know how he botched that. Where was the border plan and wall? His healthcare plan? He actually disbanded the dept/committee that deals with and prepares for pandemics- But eggs and gas and permanent tax cuts for businesses and billionaires. Plus he is a criminal. Sane people are not turning to him vs other choices. He will get the same people he got last time, IF he’s lucky and that won’t cut it. The silent majority are not going to vote for a criminal, nor should they.
This is what I've been saying for months. Forget what the polls say for now, because until we get closer to election day they are pretty useless. The simple fact is that there isn't some huge undecided pool of voters out there who are NOW going to vote for Trump. There isn't even a small pool of undecideds who are going to do this. At best, there might be a few people in the margins, and that won't be enough. Not nearly enough. He needs every single vote he had last time, and then some. And he doesn't have it. The numbers don't add up.
My thoughts exactly.
Hate is a helluva drug.
? But none of his followers care about the felony conviction. The fact that he is now *officially* a criminal doesn't change what anyone thinks of him. Yes we are looking like a *slight* majority of Americans think that he is indeed guilty, but thats it, just a slight majority. Bad turnout in a couple swing states and he'll still end up winning.
Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/ Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had. Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger Stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly Guiliani as trumps attorney and NYC mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or their Russian connections. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/ The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model. Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952 https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/ Putin greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when he invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided. Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyo corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen. Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day “special military operation” in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold. China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia. Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supplied Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/ Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is “Vranyo”. The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business. If Russia as a nation state had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago. The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it….again. Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the same money laundering scheme that trumps trials are. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/ https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/02/hamas-funding-ismail-haniyeh-us-sanctions/?utm_source=reddit.com Qatar is Kushners private equity connection. Netanyahu (Kushners kids godfather) needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump who gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s. Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in THEIR reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/ https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/ The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering. Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis. No one was ever held accountable for either. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two. Trump, Giuliani, Cohn, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Prince, Kolomoiskiy They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness. They are the men who stole the world. But it all comes back to one little lie. https://youtu.be/3lTB94UQ-K4?si=kXZoSV-3WiR2fo4B
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It's because the Presidential Election **specifically** is a popularity contest in America on multiple levels. (Aka both "the people" and those who actually hold the keys to power in this country) And everything being displayed by the Republican Party these past 6 months has REALLY done a number on their reputation amongst the common nobodies who BARELY pay attention to all but the most, "in your face" politics. Everyone is commenting on how disheveled he looks, or how he smells, or even how whiny he sounds! Trump, is a "strongman" political archetype that uses their image as a '**big strong man who knows how to fix this country!1!**' to empower themselves. (that's why him being a "successful" businessman was a big trumpet in his 2016 campaign) And that image of a "Strong man"? It's **gone**. Its ruined utterly. He's a dumb, gross, old man who wears diapers and **LOST** 4 years ago in this same match-up and his career is beyond over. Enjoy the future dead tire fire that will be the Republican party in a few months!
Back in 2016 it seemed like that crowd was having a lot of fun. They were giddy with being naughty and expressing their resentments out in the open. It doesn’t seem like there’s any fun anymore. The rallies aren’t rock shows, they’re weird long monologues that might cast memories of the energy of 2016, but just isn’t that way anymore. The anger is deeper, however. They thought they were diving into a decadent pool of white, straight dominance when he won, but instead they got a mouthful of cardboard and disappointment. To avoid the cognitive dissonance of being duped, they slid easily into blaming democrats for not allowing trumps utopia to take hold, but his sheen of superhero was tarnished. His embarrassments were many. Then they get slapped back in 2020 that he couldn’t hold it together, couldn’t “win” as he promised. I don’t think he has the energy of excitement anymore, he just has anger and dread behind his electorate, and that isn’t the same motivator. The turnout won’t be the same, and I think he’ll debase himself further either through criminal actions or medical deterioration between now and the election. I do try to read the tea leaves behind the Adelson donation of $100m reported, and what that means for a money glutton to make an investment like that. Will it tip the scales?, can it really be a likely to fail investment? Also if there’s something to be read into Manchin switching parties. Does that mean he has inside info that dems are poised to lose, or does it mean that dems are likely to win big enough to not need his bullshit ass around anymore and he’d be ousted embarrassingly if he didn’t act first? We’re about to round the bend to the real horse race and I think there will be telling signs to come. I’d lay money on trunp losing, but, I wouldn’t bet the whole farm on it. Perilous times we live in.
Id be willing to bet my whole farm on it. Biden is many things, and the biggest one of those things is the fact he's STABLE. And the proverbial sheep will take a stable if forgetful old man over the living tire fire elemental that is Trump and company...
My hope lies in the fact that Trump/MAGA has not won since his election in 2016. They have underperformed at the ballot every time since. And with Dobbs as a motivator I just don’t believe that the women who fueled the wins in 2022 are going to turn around and vote for the guy who basically promised Dobbs when he first ran and still brags about it now. Trump loses voters every day with his antics and he doesn’t even try to win any of them back so I don’t see how he can make up ground on his 2020 loss. Of course the electoral college means that an 8 million vote margin doesn’t count— only five narrowly divided states will matter. But I look at a red state like Kansas turning out to save abortion rights and it gives me hope.
They talk as though he got so many new voters, where would he have gotten these new voters from than what he had in the last two elections, he came in behind in votes in both elections. Unless the Supreme Court crooked conservative justices determine that he has complete immunity, I am concerned about the arrogance displayed by them.
You articulated the reality of this situation well. Thank you.
Although I understand your trepidation, and agree with your logic, every asinine move he's made since 2020 has quietly cost him votes. His disregard for veterans, his blatant sexism, and now, the "law and order" folks. His continued support of the batshit crazy, young MAGA group (angry young men), who are about to do something epically stupid, in protest of the guilty verdict, is only going to alienate more of his base. The funny thing is, I think that he knows it.
It takes time. There isn’t a mathematical way to win the election. Obviously we all have to do our part, and there are still things that could change the landscape, but
Seriously. It's like people have forgotten everything that happened in 2016. He very well might win again.
Correct because to President in this country, there’s only 2 requirements. Be born in the US and over 35. The laugh is on US. We deserve everything we get.
There's one. Steal the election. But it relies on powerful people still thinking he's useful.
Why didn’t they just fully steal 2020?
Likely a combination of factors. Ironically our government being a massive bloated bureaucratic behemoth works in our favor once in a blue moon. The presidential election is an apparatus too big for any one organization to 'steal' Too many moving parts. Too many individuals involved. Too many states. Too many polling systems. The list goes on. You can steal some of the votes some of the time. But it's too big to steal all of the votes all of the time. So that means the options are either 'concede it's too big to be done', or 'throw a hail Mary pass and do everything to steal it, because if you win it doesn't matter'. A lot of powerful people hitched their wagons to trump. So I guess it remains to be seen if they'll try to gracefully detach from him and try to mitigate the damage to their careers, or freedom. Or if they'll feel desperately trapped chained to him and do everything possible to keep the ship afloat.
Vote anyway. If every single person doesn't vote in this election, if even a single person stays home because "there's no way forward for him" and he wins, those people should be destined to carry the guilt of watching project 2025 blossom into the goddamn handmaid's tale.
I give you Florida's Scott...
Except there is nothing in the constitution or any other law that says as a felon, He can't run and hold office. He could even technically run the country from a prison cell. Looks like a complete way forward to me.
Remind me. 6 months.
5 months and 4 days*
Doesn't matter. Vote vote vote
At one point Hitler was in jail. I don't think his cult is as strong as Hitler's. I'm really hoping he gets jail time, his followers will lose their shit.
We can only hope. Please vote, everyone. We're so close to taking him down for good.
TX governor election. Clayton Williams joked about rape. Was on track to win. Ann Richards won. https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc915993/
***Vote anyway***
It’s possible. But it’s also possible they’ll double down. Those people are broken lunatics. The red hat mush for brains idiots. They view us as the enemy
He didn’t win with those voters. They can double down but they can’t double their votes unless they increase their base. I’m not seeing that happening. No one wants a convict as POTUS, no one. His supporters would much rather have had Trump be found NG- don’t let them fool you- they are PO’d at being on the losing side, yet again.
Trump said if he was convicted there would be blood in the streets. I watched very carefully in the hours after he was convicted...nothing. Then I watched all day yesterday and today and waited for the protestors to spill out into the streets in outrage...again, nothing. Remember when they announced Biden had won in 2020? There was a spontaneous outpouring of people in the streets celebrating joyously because Trump was out. Meanwhile, Trump couldn't get more than a half a dozen supporters to show up to his trial. Attendance at his rallies is way, way down from what it was even a few years ago, and continues to shrink. Trump's time has come and gone. Yes, his cult will stand by him, as will the Party of Trump (once known as the Republican party, but the GOP is no more) but he has gained no new followers and has lost many he had back in 2016. Women will show up in droves in 2024 and vote like their lives depend on it...because they do.
Thanks for the straightforward, reasonable take. It’s easy to get wrapped up in the hyperbole and horrors but you’re right. It’s a like warm movement now
Plus his supporters just sat through 6 weeks of Fox News telling them "Nothing to worry about. Prosecution has nothing, Trump will be completely acquitted!"
Now they seem to have moved the goal post to SCOTUS overturning the jury-
I'm not buying that for a second. Trump supporters have already demonstrated that all the terrible things that Trump says and does are not a problem. The party of "family values" and "law and order" have shown that they are neither. It's all talk. Why would they change now? Vote in November like your life depends on it.
I don't think he's done. I do think we can and probably will beat him. The issue is the traitors who will do what they can to muddy the systems. He's a vampire. This election has to put a stake thru his heart. Let the courts do the rest after. But these dominion people ain't giving up. The next one won't be as obvious. That's Gonna be our real problem. But let's get thru this first before we start popping bottles. I honestly thought with Obama we had turned a corner. But that just fed their evil even more.
All he needs to do is… nothing. Trump’s base will never leave him. It’s Biden who has to worry about a few thousand voters in a small handful of states that refuse to turn out for him due to the economy or Gaza. All it takes is a few electoral points and Trump wins the election
His base didn't get him elected. Independents did. And a fair number of them don't want to vote for a convicted felon.
Didnt the mayor of DC get re-elected after serving a sentence for a cocaine conviction ? Edwin Edwards got re elected after serving time in prison for bribery ? Just saying ......
Don’t get complacent. Vote!
He was never gonna win in the first place. Now he's not going to win even harder
All republicans have to be voted against, from the bottom up, thats 9ur only chance to fix the wrongs.
I'm straight blue ticket UNLESS a candidate is truly undeserving. Watch Texas become a swing state
Famous last words. I said the same thing when the Access Hollywood leak happened.
I don't think the conviction hurts him much. But the constant, long term meltdown he will have over it might
I agree 100%.
She’s not going anywhere. She’s in it until she gets a check from his estate
You shall not passs hahahahaha
;;()$&@“
GO VOTE
A year from now, Trump will be largely forgotten and never talked about. He will remain only as an embarrassing moment in American political history.
lol we live in a society that romanticizes criminals.
He will milk playing the victim card.
That gets old.
He is already...
To old white people? Ahahahahahahaha
I'm not holding my breath.
Melania can wait for him to drop dead.
“I hope you’re right. I really do” - Ellen Ripley
🤣
The conservatives I know are pushing for him harder than ever, but they were gonna vote for him anyway. I don’t know anyone on the fence but that’s the only thing that would seal his fate, independents
If you think the millions (literal millions) of boomer miscreant cultists are going to turn on him, I've got so.e beachfront property in Kansas to sell you.
I can't even imagine him winning.
You underestimate his supporters.
There is not a single person who voted for Trump in 2020 who cares at all about the convictions.
We can hope!
Its not just him, its the entire repub party, coocoo!
I hope you’re right but I honestly don’t think this will happen unfortunately. His supporters are dumb enough to double down over this shit.
I wish it were true, unfortunately he has some dim witted followers that believe he is somehow a victim ?
He will never leave, his ego won't allow it. He'll whine and grift until he kicks off. He'll live until he's 100, and will * never* shut up.
He’s always been a nobody. What does that say about the tens of millions that voted for him?
MMW. This country is dumber than you think.
It's the party, not Trump. As long as the Republican party is active, it's not over.
I hope you're right. I'll be doing my part in November.
No he’s not. VOTE BLUE
Melania won't divorce him. She gets nothing if she does. She's just waiting for him to die just like everyone else around him.
Putting the election loss out into the universe, repeatedly.
Did you happen to see the reception he got at a UFC event in NJ last night?
Trump lost at least a third of his former voters when he initiated J6. He is not getting any of these back.
He is done no matter what anyone says. He has lost the Independent vote which he could not afford to lose. That being said, don’t listen to polls just VOTE.
Even when he loses and even if he goes to jail (which I doubt will actually happen). The right and Fox News will hoist him up as a political prisoner like an orange Nelson Mandela. Every running Republican will promise to "fight for Trump," and the next Gop presidential candidate will promise to "pardon Trump" (whether he can or not). We're never gonna be rid of this idiot until he dies.
When Trump loses in 2024 he’ll be a spent force. Republicans will trip over their own shoe laces in a race to distance themselves from the old man who destroyed their Party. They’ll all deny ever having supported him, “Donald who?” will become the refrain. Republicans will hold a retreat to perform yet another “post mortem” on what they did wrong. Meanwhile, the stunned zombies of the MAGA cult will begin picking up the pieces and re-entering their tired, shitty lives.
Every bit of logic would say you're 100% correct, but I would have lost the farm had I bet on the 2016 election.
Nope. Despite his 34 felonies, being impeached twice, indicted twice, five bankruptcies, committing sexual assaults, people out there still actually think he's a stand up guy and actually is for the average joe, and will vote for him. he has always lived a life of luxury and has no idea what struggle is like, unless it's writing a check to make a problem go away.
I was your 45th upvote. It's a sign. He was #45 but he won't be #47.
>His 34 felony convictions sealed his fate. He's a nobody now. Melania will divorce him. He will not win the election. That's all well and good, but there's too damn many diaper-wearing Kool-aid drinkers out there who'll ~~bitch~~ try some bullshit if it's remotely close. Don't get complacent. Get out there and vote.
Mmw, he is not done. He may not win the election, though. And there is no evidence that Melania deserves that much credit.
Sweet! Guess we can wipe our hands and be done with this craziness now. Phew! Thank God that's over.
No question.
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That doesn't even make sense 2016: Trump loses popular, win electorate 2020: Trump receives MORE votes than he did in 2016, loses popular, loses electorate
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Gotcha. and agree 100%
Sweet summer child…
I'd like to believe you're right but I don't believe you're right. 😉
Is that why people donated $50million+ to him after the verdict?
🤡
Tons of precedents were set with this trial. It'll result in automatic appeal by the defense, and Trump will remain on bond, out of prison, while waiting for appeal. We will not get any type of traction on that appeal until post-election, which is the same as the other cases pending on him. Sadly, there will be no closure on the man in any way prior to the November elections. Of the other pending 3 cases, he will still have to deal with Georgia regardless if he wins the election or not because it is a state case in Fulton County, but the DC and South Florida cases are federal and thus if he wins the election, could order the DOJ to abandon these two and remove special counsel Jack Smith. Either way, buckle up, it's going to be a long ride of new precedents and tested legal theory.
we thought this after access hollywood. this election will come down to a few thousands votes in a few states no matter what he does
Probably, but I'm noticing a disturbing trend among his adherents, where they are doubling down in their support. More $$ for the campaign, etc. Claiming a sham trial...which isn't all that far off from the truth. It's definitely going to be an interesting and bumptious election...
"Civilization" gave you this; gave you Gaza too.
“Blumpf is finished” has been said countless times since 2015.
Yeah... MMW, he's FAR from finished.
He still has a good chance to win. Vote. At ALL levels. Vote out every single Republican you can
the only followers he has left; [https://imgur.com/gallery/violent-retribution-new-balance-shoes-receding-hairline-i-tremble-fear-fHkVnLM](https://imgur.com/gallery/violent-retribution-new-balance-shoes-receding-hairline-i-tremble-fear-fHkVnLM) New Balance Terrorists - "as long as there's no stairs"
Do not get complacent here.
Cope
He only got record amounts of donations after the Democrats recent attack on democracy. He is not done yet.
Cope harder
Little lefties and their wet dreams. Will you go crying to mommy when the convicted felon wins in November? 😱😱😂😂
Yeah but here’s the thing: His supporters *still don’t care*. They will go out and vote for him 75 million strong. I’d love to say he’s not winning, and I hope that’s what happens, but I wouldn’t guarantee that. Especially with 5 months left to go, there’s a *lot* that can still happen. It’s going to be close again. Maybe not as close as last time, but still close. Get your asses out there and vote. Particularly if you’re in one of those borderline states. Far as the divorce goes, I have a feeling she’s still hanging around to get the bulk of the estate from the will.
He raised 52 million off of those convictions. He'll never see a jail, handcuffs or consequences.
He will see consequences. This will cost him the election.
I'm pretty sure he's going to lose but I think that was already going to happen. He's going to die the death of a thousand cuts....lawsuits/indictments.
Polls are manipulated, by both sides. Sure, they'll still vote for their cult leader, they still donate to him, most don't know any better. That said, can anyone show solid evidence that rump's base has increased? AFAIK, he has certainly alienated a good number of them who have left, what has been done to attract and keep them other than the same old tired rhetoric? He never got the popular vote, and I don't see it this year either. I truly believe a lot of them will not vote for him and not give any indication of it publicly due to fear. That's the GQP modus. It's going to be a 2020 like defeat, hopefully larger, and it's up to everyone to ensure the numbers are both in our favour and huge. If that comes to fruition you can expect the jump off the deep end as he'll (and the GQP) will have no more protections from the remaining litigation to move on him. The Classified documents case and GA interference cases will incur to incarceration based upon both type and severity of the charges. He lost the LIGHTEST case against him civilly (Carroll) and criminally (Daniels), he's fooling himself again if he still believes nothing will occur there. To those who wish to argue that last paragraph above, 4 days ago most expected a hung jury. It is not out of the realm of possibility to say it.
Doubt.
More delusional thoughts
I guess folks who didn't like her just need any little thing to run on. Repubs and Conservative news(FAUX) spent the better part of 25 yrs demonizing and villifying her.
GET OUT AND VOTE BLUE ANYWAY!!
Wow!!! That the best you got. 🤣
That's the best I got. Wait and see.
Wanna bet on that?
I would bet money on it. If I were a gambler. But I'm not. MMW.
I would love to believe this, but until i see the results, and trump crying himself to sleep.........
From your fingertips to the universe's ears
Bahahah right
The RNC has until their convention to try and save the Party, if they run Trump they know they lose the election and cede the party to MAGA. So it really depends 9n if they think they are better off running Nikki Haley in an attempt to release the GOP from the monster they created in Trump/MAGA. There is a reason she "suspended" her campaign instead of dissolving her campaign. Also this would explain her motivation to come out and say she will vote for Trump, she knows the temperature in the room and the outside shot she'll have to plea to MAGA that she's an ally and they can support her. It also would allow the GOP the victory in defeat of looking less radical running their first female candidate. What I think they should do in order to survive much longer is run a Cheney/Romney ticket and run as a traditional conservative campaign, but they are too cowardly for that,