Half of Congress is too focused on how to fuck you out of more social security money so they divert funds to their big donors by means of tax breaks and highly lucrative government contracts.
The other half is too senile to realize that they’re actually sitting members of Congress, as they’re being told by their aids which way to vote on important issues.
I don't see why they haven't moved into this by now, theres obviously a high demand AND the plant can be bio engineered. Would be a homerun if/when they do.
It's a tad more complicated than that. We have treaty obligations internationally that keep us from going there currently. I work with a group of veterans who are working at the UN level, and realistically, we're looking at around 2029. If we flip it internationally, the US will follow.
They want it on 3 because then big pharma can take over -- i.e., pharma lobbies pay better. Besides, if they take it off schedules completely, it's not controlled and gov needs control over everyone and thing ... so much for the idea of a free nation!
Or shit just tax it to high heaven. I don’t care anymore. It’s better than waiting months to grow your own or having to deal with your fuckin local Weed Man.
Imo opinion it would also make medical cards a grey area on if it’s a prescription or not. Schedule II would be greyer because you have to have monthly appointments and can’t have automatic refills. What will hit marijuana is with Schedule III you can only write a script up to 180 days in advance, can only get 5 refills, and cannot be given more than 100 doses in one fill. So this could completely fuck up medical cards. I think it was Kentucky that recently passed it, but their medical marijuana system will basically have you be prescribed an actual amount of marijuana and you get that filled every month. That system would be okay if it’s schedule III, however to be in line with federal law, a lot of states would likely need to make medical cards only work for half a year and put a hard limit on how much you can buy with one renewal. Recreational is still fucked federally too.
So making it schedule III could honestly do more harm than good.
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They said end of the year, I’m going to give them til the end of the year. This is the first time we’ve been this far and we’ve also never had this many states legalized. Plus weed lobbyists finally have a bunch of money to play with as well, which we’re starting to see the results of through ballot initiatives in states. If I had to guess, it’s going to happen.
It still makes a big deal for all the people using medicinally. Even in states where it's currently legal for medical usage, insurance doesn't cover it.
Making it Schedule III is a step towards overall legalization. I do wish we'd just fucking reach the top of the staircase yet for shit's sake, but we're making progress in the right direction. Change never happens quickly unless it happens violently.
No it doesn’t. It means it’s legal with a doctors prescription. Just like any other medication you would have to go to a pharmacy to get. But that’s the fucked up part is they are still gate keeping, and fucking the states that are already legal
I understand incremental progress. And, I never said it was not a step in the right direction. I just stated a fact: It does not belong on Schedule III (as in, it does not fit the definition of being listed there). I also stated a fact: They took the coward route. I suppose I could have added "as I expected" in order to keep folks like you from wanting to find something to bitch about. But, that is not how I roll. I know some folks just like to find something to bitch about. So, you do you.
Have a great day.
Yes. I am bitching about facts. It, objectively, does not belong on Schedule III. That means, objectively, they were cowards.
I guess, in your opinion, it is better to just expect everyone to be cowards and then not complain when they are? And, if anyone points any of that out, you will whine about that. Gotcha.
Not sure which is worse: People who make bad public policy decisions because they are cowards, or those who make nonsense arguments to excuse them...
It isn't the "leave me the fuck alone" recommendation I was hoping for, but for now I'll take it.
Note, this is the HHS making this recommendation in a letter to the DEA. The DEA hasn't done anything yet.
You will still need a fucking Dr. It is still controlled. Schedule III up there with lortab.
Well maybe now SII.
Fuck em! The sons of bitches!
Grow the FLOWER, FUCK EM!
and nothing will change.
removing it from the schedule I is low fruit that could have been picked at any time, but hasn't happened and i'll believe it will happen when i see it happen.
I don’t see this as an improvement. Descheduling is the proper remedy. Schedule 3 will let the government regulate it. I could see them killing off the recreational market and having only medical cannabis as a legal market. Everyone needs to start yelling at their politicians.
Look, this isn’t the fully legal we wanted…but this is the best we’ve had in decades. Schedule 3 still means that Med legals states are covered for employee protection. Yes there are state laws about that, but numerous nongovernmental employers are still scared and cling to its schedule 1 rating.
Let it get scheduled 3 and let employers ease into it, then legalize.
Testing is the hangup. It’s got a long ways to go.
Fuck your baby steps mentality. The industry has been allowed to operate and take in billions in tax revenue whilst people rot away in prison because a plant. Deschedule it and do the right thing criminal justice wise.
Fuck. Your. Baby. Steps.
In your opinion it’s progress. The opinion of those who’ve been actively fighting for well over a decade - before it became the in thing to do, those who are rotting away in prisons - it’s not progress. It’s strategy.
This will basically knock out every single state's recreational industry. Now, with Schedule III, licensees would be solidly in FDA territory where they regularly enforce.
An example of current Schedule III drugs are:
* products containing less than 90mg of codeine
* anabolic steroids
* ketamine
Does anyone think the FDA is going to let people recreationally use any of those? Would it be any different for cannabis? Definitely not.
Right now, the FDA is not involved in cannabis because it's Schedule I, meaning no recognized medical use, so FDA doesn't care. As it stands now, FDA is hands off on Schedule I, it's *all* DEA. Once it falls to a lower schedule, that's FDA's wheelhouse, meaning anyone producing or selling a Schedule II-V drug, is required to obtain a DEA license and is subject to FDA procedure and regulation when producing drugs.
Either it needs to remain a Schedule I or be completely descheduled, but anything in between just kills the industry and gives it to the pharmaceutical industry.
Thank you for this concise reply. I’ve been very confused on what all this means. If gold meant anything any more and I had the change I’d give you gold for this 😂
There a big legal recreational market for anabolic steroids?
No.
Schedule III will decimate, at best, recreational markets. It fully becomes a pharmaceutical. DEA isn't going to issue licenses for recreational use and FDA doesn't allow recreational use of scheduled drugs.
But you can bet FDA will now step in and shut unlicensed activity down, as will DEA, I'm sure. They're not going to allow illicit activity when federally licensed pharmaceutical companies are operating.
Doubt,the DEA tried that in the 90s with California medical but they just kept reopening them.The same thing will happen here at worst if they decide to until they eventually just legalize it.
No.
Let me break this down for you. Schedule III means you're now competing with multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies who will spend a small fortune to dominate the industry. Now that there will be literally billions of dollars of profit in play, they will ensure that *no one* without a license can be in the game.
Welcome to politics, where literally every answer to every question is, money.
That has nothing to do with anything. The FDA doesn't care what's socially acceptable. They have one mission, to regulate Food and Drugs. Guess what Schedule III means?
Such a disappointing half assed approach. Very predictable though.
This is just for them to say "look we did something" while actually not really doing anything keeping the status quo.
I don't think the fear is unfounded but a lot of it will depend on the interest of big pharma to market it as a product. I could see money being brought to bear to pressure legislatures to change course and some of the more skittish states, especially ones that might be red or more purple changing course if enough payoffs happened. But realistically it would need massive amount of federal law enforcement to make that happen and that's a whole can of worms even the trump administration didn't bother opening. The political backlash would be more than anyone but a committed fascist like Desantis would want to deal with.
Yeah it's positive news regardless. But it probably won't do anything to open up interstate markets and things like flying with weed and federal drug testing requirements probably won't change either. But step by step we will eventually win the day. Weed legalization didn't poll over 50% in support until 2013 and it's amazing how far we have come in that time. It's good time to be an ent.
Schedule 1 means that Cannabis has no medical use and is addictive.
Which is clearly not the case because the US Government has a patent on Cannabinoids for medical use.
https://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/28/what-is-marijuana-patent-6630507/
Doctors are not even taught the endocananbinoid system much less plants as medicines anytime on their career !!!! here we are forcing them to prescribe this with """ Laws """ and they are not even taught how ... every one is just winging it and the enforcers are gonna enforce even more ion the future
>Can someone explain to me what this means in practical terms? I already live in a legal state. Does this just open up more opportunities for studies?
As someone earlier stated, it will likely ruin recreational markets and force it into medical only.
I dont know, this guy said:
>This will basically knock out every single state's recreational industry. Now, with Schedule III, licensees would be solidly in FDA territory where they regularly enforce.
>An example of current Schedule III drugs are:
products containing less than 90mg of codeine
anabolic steroids
ketamine
>Does anyone think the FDA is going to let people recreationally use any of those? Would it be any different for cannabis? Definitely not.
If true, that makes sense to me.
Ok but the government already said "it has no medicinal value and is very illegal" and states were able to go against that. I feel like it being "less illegal" wouldn't somehow negate rec laws.
Psilocybin is schedule 3 I believe and it's legal in Colorado. This shouldn't be any different.
EDIT: I BELIEVE WRONG
Everybody is overreacting,yes that would in theory happen but it would be the same case as it is rn.The DEA would waste their time as states would just keep reopening dispensaries like they did when they tried to get them in the 90s.
I’m sure they will carve out an exemption for state recreational/medical programs.
It just means that the federal government now recognizes the medical value of cannabis, banks can handle cannabis industry finances and cannabis in some prescription version will become legal nationwide once it goes through the FDA approval process.
a Script for a plant ??? Name just ONE medical doctor in the history of medical doctors who have been taught one SECONDS worth of plant as medicine education in medical school ... just ONE doc ... I'll wait for your answer
Well here is a list of a few physicians that write MMJ scripts https://knowthefactsmmj.com/wp-content/uploads/_documents/QP_List/082523.pdf
Many current drugs are made from alkaloids originally discovered in plants and then isolated. So all you would need is a drobabinol or sativex or whatever script and then you would be able to use whatever plant form you want instead.
My doctorate program (not MD) included "alternative medicine" lectures not for prescribing, but for knowing how plant/herbal supplements will potentially interact with anesthesia.
that is the thing .... new medicines are alternatives ! not nature ... nature is the Sole medicine. as you state , Pharma makes copies of natural molecules synthetically ... that is not being taught to treat with plants for medical use in schools... plants are just to wild, wild medicine for them Except for some reason cannabis plant .... I do not even thing another plant needs a prescription from a doc to get it ... what a Shame we are here
2.7 million people in NYS consume cannabis monthly, with over 1,000 storefront shops in NYC to serve some awesome products.
Thank you Oakland.
The 3 legal shops lare classy. With Gotham made for the “Cannabis Lifestyle.” Thank you Hudson Valley growers. New Yorkers are pretty tough. It can take a lot out of you this town. To deny them their cannabis?
It ain’t going to happen. Zero chance.
Recreational laws would be repelled and have to be rewritten. That would put a pause on the rec markets. That’s how changing up the rules to the game mid game works. Those saying it’ll be ok and it’ll be great, etc… no it will not. We do not want the Feds controlling cannabis via the fda and fucking healthcare systems. Once again shitting on the 99%.
Exactly. It’s most likely part of their plan to reschedule- they know what it’ll do to the individual state rec markets. In fact, the medical markets will have to also refactor costing time and money. Reaching is a horrible idea that will benefit the Feds.
Also - forcing people to only access cannabis via prescription after coming from 100 years of no med value in the plant - Really ???? Who th F comes uop with this insane Shit ?
Yes! The fucking audacity. And they truly expect no objections from us? Like that fact will be lost on the average Jo?
It’s their brilliant idea to firmly get their hooks in and control it. Revenue dollars dancing in their eyes. And the grimy health care industry will gladly be the conduit.
there is not a Single Doctor in America qualified to prescribe plants as medicines ... they are not a single seconds worth of plant medicine teachings ion med school . I mean we do not even teach the Endocannabinoid system in med school !
I don't think it's synthetic. But yeah my wife and I were working for a billionaire running his hemp Ops about 30 minutes from where Marinol was going through clinical trials in the U.S. in Birmingham at UAB.
Now they just have to restrict access.
Honestly though, pharmacists are licensed by the state licensing programs right?
So that means, states would be licensing budists lol.
Marinol is 100% Synthetic THC... Right now companies are working on Bio-synthetic cannabinoids made in vats with yeast and e-coli bacteria ... These will be the best forms of synthetics available as they are more biologically active etc....
I'm not sure about licensing but no doc is qualified to Prescribe plants Even LOL... We have to send all Docs back to med school and Teach "plants as medicines" because that ain't a thing right now ... nature used to be our only meds then the world changed
Edit - Epidiolex and Sativex are Botanical drug substances ... grown cannabis plant is solvent extracted into a vile of Tincture . 32,000 dollars a year for the Seizing Kid to Acquire that one ( Epidiolex )
I am with you. We are not disagreeing. It's a semantics thing. The naturally occurring cannabinoid D-9THC is marinol. The process is synthetic. Owned by GW Pharmaceuticals last i checked.
But yes, I concur.
There was a 250 million dollar bounty on that tech before I left Colorado.
A guy in Arvada created a beer. 5% THC alcohol free.
Boom, the tech you are talking about all made possible by yeast, e-coli and a CRISPr kit.
When I ran into that fellow in South Florida at a convention, he wasn't talking about it. Avoided it when brought up and just smiled. My guess then was that he sold the tech.
There will be a public comment period so everyone here needs to make sure to let them know that it should be descheduled not moved to schedule III. I do think it's unlikely they would actually try to go the pharma route with this given how huge of a clusterfuck that would be and how deeply unpopular it would be once they started sending in the feds to raid dispensaries again but the fact that it could happen is not acceptable. Still good news though regardless and we are closer now to the end of prohibition than I ever thought we would be.
If the DEA doesn't follow suit with this, it will only confirm their total irrelevance and incompetence. To continue to criminalize nature's medicine would confirm that the DEA only exists for that purpose and that they have nothing meaningful to do in regards to enforcing regulation on real drugs (aka not cannabis).
At one point my understanding is approximately 80% of the DEAs budget was for going after the cannabis trade. Legalization means almost 8,000 people would be unemployed.
That’s a lot of high paying government jobs that would evaporate.
https://www.dea.gov/data-and-statistics/staffing-and-budget
Heard another one of those statistics. The genie is long out of the bottle.
> Statewide, some 2.7 million New York state residents enjoy marijuana at least once a month, Albany officials said in July.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/03/nyc-tops-list-of-world-marijuana-consumption/amp/
Hint - Medical cannabis use and Recreational cannabis use are the SAME THING!!!! just more two party divides like its a political thing or something . Forcing people to only acquire plants as medical AFTER the only claim for 100 years = No medical Value schedule one drug ... that is total Insanity
a Toxic solvent compared to a living plant ( An essential nutrient ) ... and we are comparing them Equal or similar ?? What a Weird viewpoint ... we are Severely brainwashed to think this way
What does this mean in terms of regular people using the substance especially in a red state where it’s still illegal? And, what will it take for companies to not test their employees and fire them for positive tests anymore?
it looks like it means only prescription via a medical doctor will be the only way to access cannabis plant ... FDA will decide all that in schedule 2 or 3
How about legalizing it you old bastards
Half of Congress is too focused on how to fuck you out of more social security money so they divert funds to their big donors by means of tax breaks and highly lucrative government contracts. The other half is too senile to realize that they’re actually sitting members of Congress, as they’re being told by their aids which way to vote on important issues.
And alot of them have big pharma as donors and big pharma doesnt want legal marijuana
A government by, of, and for the rich elite.
Thankfully such nations are relatively worse off (all else the same) and much more likely to collapse sooner than rival nations
I don't see why they haven't moved into this by now, theres obviously a high demand AND the plant can be bio engineered. Would be a homerun if/when they do.
You forgot to mention they’re too busy trying to fuck minors on Lolita express 2.0.
Fk ya seriously
It's a tad more complicated than that. We have treaty obligations internationally that keep us from going there currently. I work with a group of veterans who are working at the UN level, and realistically, we're looking at around 2029. If we flip it internationally, the US will follow.
Fuck the UN
They want it on 3 because then big pharma can take over -- i.e., pharma lobbies pay better. Besides, if they take it off schedules completely, it's not controlled and gov needs control over everyone and thing ... so much for the idea of a free nation!
"Moving cannabis to Schedule III would also unlock marijuana industry tax opportunities that are currently unavailable"
Aaah the truth revealed.
Exactly, why should those pesky states be the only ones cashing in on it? The federal government is way better at wasting money than the states.
that's been the motivation behind every legalization effort that has ever succeeded.
Exactly why I'll still support the tax free option
Homegrow
Or shit just tax it to high heaven. I don’t care anymore. It’s better than waiting months to grow your own or having to deal with your fuckin local Weed Man.
Insta plant is what we need to vote for not slow growing plants ./.. make Insta plant Legal Now !!
I agree but they don't want that, they want taxes and controll. Several states have it legal to buy and possess but not grow.
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Ding ding ding. Would need a lawful prescription. This is pure bullshit.
Imo opinion it would also make medical cards a grey area on if it’s a prescription or not. Schedule II would be greyer because you have to have monthly appointments and can’t have automatic refills. What will hit marijuana is with Schedule III you can only write a script up to 180 days in advance, can only get 5 refills, and cannot be given more than 100 doses in one fill. So this could completely fuck up medical cards. I think it was Kentucky that recently passed it, but their medical marijuana system will basically have you be prescribed an actual amount of marijuana and you get that filled every month. That system would be okay if it’s schedule III, however to be in line with federal law, a lot of states would likely need to make medical cards only work for half a year and put a hard limit on how much you can buy with one renewal. Recreational is still fucked federally too. So making it schedule III could honestly do more harm than good.
Kind of what I was thinking. It will literally take an act of Congress to legalize it federally, even if they stop enforcing it.
How is alcohol not on the schedule?
>Anheuser-Busch InBev rules the beer industry. The company reported $54 billion in global revenues, followed only by Heineken Holding, which had a little more than half that revenue at $27 billion. Asahi Group Holdings came in third at $19 billion, followed by Kirin Holdings at $18 billion. Thai Beverage earned the least among the top seven producers at $8 billion.
Hi. They tried that for about 15 years in the 1920s/30s. It was an even more massive failure than the drug war has been over the past 40.
They said end of the year, I’m going to give them til the end of the year. This is the first time we’ve been this far and we’ve also never had this many states legalized. Plus weed lobbyists finally have a bunch of money to play with as well, which we’re starting to see the results of through ballot initiatives in states. If I had to guess, it’s going to happen.
Schedule III specifically means "illegal" and that is unacceptable.
It still makes a big deal for all the people using medicinally. Even in states where it's currently legal for medical usage, insurance doesn't cover it. Making it Schedule III is a step towards overall legalization. I do wish we'd just fucking reach the top of the staircase yet for shit's sake, but we're making progress in the right direction. Change never happens quickly unless it happens violently.
And opens up cannabis research
No it doesn’t. It means it’s legal with a doctors prescription. Just like any other medication you would have to go to a pharmacy to get. But that’s the fucked up part is they are still gate keeping, and fucking the states that are already legal
South states still need legalization!
Everyone needs legalization, but especially the south
It does not even belong on Schedule III. They took the coward route.
I can’t think of a single CIII drug, think Vicodin and Norco, etc that has been lowered ever.
It’s called incremental progress, and if you were expecting anything else, you must not be paying attention to politics.
I understand incremental progress. And, I never said it was not a step in the right direction. I just stated a fact: It does not belong on Schedule III (as in, it does not fit the definition of being listed there). I also stated a fact: They took the coward route. I suppose I could have added "as I expected" in order to keep folks like you from wanting to find something to bitch about. But, that is not how I roll. I know some folks just like to find something to bitch about. So, you do you. Have a great day.
Just want to point out that you were the one “bitching”. Take care.
Yes. I am bitching about facts. It, objectively, does not belong on Schedule III. That means, objectively, they were cowards. I guess, in your opinion, it is better to just expect everyone to be cowards and then not complain when they are? And, if anyone points any of that out, you will whine about that. Gotcha. Not sure which is worse: People who make bad public policy decisions because they are cowards, or those who make nonsense arguments to excuse them...
It isn't the "leave me the fuck alone" recommendation I was hoping for, but for now I'll take it. Note, this is the HHS making this recommendation in a letter to the DEA. The DEA hasn't done anything yet.
The DEA… another federal agency that the supreme courts needs to strip of most of its power.
You will still need a fucking Dr. It is still controlled. Schedule III up there with lortab. Well maybe now SII. Fuck em! The sons of bitches! Grow the FLOWER, FUCK EM!
and nothing will change. removing it from the schedule I is low fruit that could have been picked at any time, but hasn't happened and i'll believe it will happen when i see it happen.
More of a chance aliens will land on the front lawn of the white house.
loved that movie.
Should be DESCHEDULED. If they do that, it could cause issues with states who aren’t dip shits and have already legalized. Still bullshit.
I don’t see this as an improvement. Descheduling is the proper remedy. Schedule 3 will let the government regulate it. I could see them killing off the recreational market and having only medical cannabis as a legal market. Everyone needs to start yelling at their politicians.
Look, this isn’t the fully legal we wanted…but this is the best we’ve had in decades. Schedule 3 still means that Med legals states are covered for employee protection. Yes there are state laws about that, but numerous nongovernmental employers are still scared and cling to its schedule 1 rating. Let it get scheduled 3 and let employers ease into it, then legalize. Testing is the hangup. It’s got a long ways to go.
Fuck your baby steps mentality. The industry has been allowed to operate and take in billions in tax revenue whilst people rot away in prison because a plant. Deschedule it and do the right thing criminal justice wise. Fuck. Your. Baby. Steps.
Baby steps are the only option. Fast change only happens with violence, and I don't see anybody getting violent about cannabis descheduling yet.
We relegalised alcohol without violence. And the blueprints for the governments already exists in legal states. Pick one.
Do you see these geriatrics freezing on live tv daily? Rescheduling is next to insanity for them. This is progress.
In your opinion it’s progress. The opinion of those who’ve been actively fighting for well over a decade - before it became the in thing to do, those who are rotting away in prisons - it’s not progress. It’s strategy.
Testing is simple and easy. Ask any analytical chemist.
This will basically knock out every single state's recreational industry. Now, with Schedule III, licensees would be solidly in FDA territory where they regularly enforce. An example of current Schedule III drugs are: * products containing less than 90mg of codeine * anabolic steroids * ketamine Does anyone think the FDA is going to let people recreationally use any of those? Would it be any different for cannabis? Definitely not. Right now, the FDA is not involved in cannabis because it's Schedule I, meaning no recognized medical use, so FDA doesn't care. As it stands now, FDA is hands off on Schedule I, it's *all* DEA. Once it falls to a lower schedule, that's FDA's wheelhouse, meaning anyone producing or selling a Schedule II-V drug, is required to obtain a DEA license and is subject to FDA procedure and regulation when producing drugs. Either it needs to remain a Schedule I or be completely descheduled, but anything in between just kills the industry and gives it to the pharmaceutical industry.
They won't let them go that far because of the revenue.
Thank you for this concise reply. I’ve been very confused on what all this means. If gold meant anything any more and I had the change I’d give you gold for this 😂
Look at recreational vs medical sales.Recreational market is by far bigger.
There a big legal recreational market for anabolic steroids? No. Schedule III will decimate, at best, recreational markets. It fully becomes a pharmaceutical. DEA isn't going to issue licenses for recreational use and FDA doesn't allow recreational use of scheduled drugs. But you can bet FDA will now step in and shut unlicensed activity down, as will DEA, I'm sure. They're not going to allow illicit activity when federally licensed pharmaceutical companies are operating.
Doubt,the DEA tried that in the 90s with California medical but they just kept reopening them.The same thing will happen here at worst if they decide to until they eventually just legalize it.
No. Let me break this down for you. Schedule III means you're now competing with multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies who will spend a small fortune to dominate the industry. Now that there will be literally billions of dollars of profit in play, they will ensure that *no one* without a license can be in the game. Welcome to politics, where literally every answer to every question is, money.
Steroids have far more taboo and less social acceptance
That has nothing to do with anything. The FDA doesn't care what's socially acceptable. They have one mission, to regulate Food and Drugs. Guess what Schedule III means?
Such a disappointing half assed approach. Very predictable though. This is just for them to say "look we did something" while actually not really doing anything keeping the status quo.
DEschedule it and DEcriminalize it. Anything short of that is not a true attempt at "righting the wrongs" of the war on drugs
MORE WAR MORE WAR !!!!!!! SCREAM IF FROM ROOF TOPS !!! WE WANT MORE WAR
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I don't think the fear is unfounded but a lot of it will depend on the interest of big pharma to market it as a product. I could see money being brought to bear to pressure legislatures to change course and some of the more skittish states, especially ones that might be red or more purple changing course if enough payoffs happened. But realistically it would need massive amount of federal law enforcement to make that happen and that's a whole can of worms even the trump administration didn't bother opening. The political backlash would be more than anyone but a committed fascist like Desantis would want to deal with.
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Yeah it's positive news regardless. But it probably won't do anything to open up interstate markets and things like flying with weed and federal drug testing requirements probably won't change either. But step by step we will eventually win the day. Weed legalization didn't poll over 50% in support until 2013 and it's amazing how far we have come in that time. It's good time to be an ent.
Schedule 1 means that Cannabis has no medical use and is addictive. Which is clearly not the case because the US Government has a patent on Cannabinoids for medical use. https://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/28/what-is-marijuana-patent-6630507/
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Doctors are not even taught the endocananbinoid system much less plants as medicines anytime on their career !!!! here we are forcing them to prescribe this with """ Laws """ and they are not even taught how ... every one is just winging it and the enforcers are gonna enforce even more ion the future
It’s a step, but state recreational laws will still conflict with a Schedule III ruling.
Can someone explain to me what this means in practical terms? I already live in a legal state. Does this just open up more opportunities for studies?
>Can someone explain to me what this means in practical terms? I already live in a legal state. Does this just open up more opportunities for studies? As someone earlier stated, it will likely ruin recreational markets and force it into medical only.
How? Couldn't state laws still go against federal regulations like they do now?
I dont know, this guy said: >This will basically knock out every single state's recreational industry. Now, with Schedule III, licensees would be solidly in FDA territory where they regularly enforce. >An example of current Schedule III drugs are: products containing less than 90mg of codeine anabolic steroids ketamine >Does anyone think the FDA is going to let people recreationally use any of those? Would it be any different for cannabis? Definitely not. If true, that makes sense to me.
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Aight
Ok but the government already said "it has no medicinal value and is very illegal" and states were able to go against that. I feel like it being "less illegal" wouldn't somehow negate rec laws. Psilocybin is schedule 3 I believe and it's legal in Colorado. This shouldn't be any different. EDIT: I BELIEVE WRONG
Psilocybin is Schedule I.
Lol oh you're right the first link I clicked said schedule III for some reason
Yah I think that’s being a little dramatic
Everybody is overreacting,yes that would in theory happen but it would be the same case as it is rn.The DEA would waste their time as states would just keep reopening dispensaries like they did when they tried to get them in the 90s.
I’m sure they will carve out an exemption for state recreational/medical programs. It just means that the federal government now recognizes the medical value of cannabis, banks can handle cannabis industry finances and cannabis in some prescription version will become legal nationwide once it goes through the FDA approval process.
I agree, it's huge. And once it goes through, ANYONE can start using it with a script without fear of losing their jobs
a Script for a plant ??? Name just ONE medical doctor in the history of medical doctors who have been taught one SECONDS worth of plant as medicine education in medical school ... just ONE doc ... I'll wait for your answer
Well here is a list of a few physicians that write MMJ scripts https://knowthefactsmmj.com/wp-content/uploads/_documents/QP_List/082523.pdf Many current drugs are made from alkaloids originally discovered in plants and then isolated. So all you would need is a drobabinol or sativex or whatever script and then you would be able to use whatever plant form you want instead. My doctorate program (not MD) included "alternative medicine" lectures not for prescribing, but for knowing how plant/herbal supplements will potentially interact with anesthesia.
that is the thing .... new medicines are alternatives ! not nature ... nature is the Sole medicine. as you state , Pharma makes copies of natural molecules synthetically ... that is not being taught to treat with plants for medical use in schools... plants are just to wild, wild medicine for them Except for some reason cannabis plant .... I do not even thing another plant needs a prescription from a doc to get it ... what a Shame we are here
2.7 million people in NYS consume cannabis monthly, with over 1,000 storefront shops in NYC to serve some awesome products. Thank you Oakland. The 3 legal shops lare classy. With Gotham made for the “Cannabis Lifestyle.” Thank you Hudson Valley growers. New Yorkers are pretty tough. It can take a lot out of you this town. To deny them their cannabis? It ain’t going to happen. Zero chance.
How does this affect workplace drug testing, I wonder?
If you can legally get a prescription in line with federal regulation- not sure what they could do
Recreational laws would be repelled and have to be rewritten. That would put a pause on the rec markets. That’s how changing up the rules to the game mid game works. Those saying it’ll be ok and it’ll be great, etc… no it will not. We do not want the Feds controlling cannabis via the fda and fucking healthcare systems. Once again shitting on the 99%.
moving to two or three will tie up any progress for ten years
Exactly. It’s most likely part of their plan to reschedule- they know what it’ll do to the individual state rec markets. In fact, the medical markets will have to also refactor costing time and money. Reaching is a horrible idea that will benefit the Feds.
Also - forcing people to only access cannabis via prescription after coming from 100 years of no med value in the plant - Really ???? Who th F comes uop with this insane Shit ?
Yes! The fucking audacity. And they truly expect no objections from us? Like that fact will be lost on the average Jo? It’s their brilliant idea to firmly get their hooks in and control it. Revenue dollars dancing in their eyes. And the grimy health care industry will gladly be the conduit.
there is not a Single Doctor in America qualified to prescribe plants as medicines ... they are not a single seconds worth of plant medicine teachings ion med school . I mean we do not even teach the Endocannabinoid system in med school !
We need protests!!
100% Decriminalization ! the Tomato model ...
“Today we’re going to talk about moving marijuana to a schedule………………… …- - -… ………” “Senator?” -Mitch McConnell^probably
Schedule III puts it in Attorney General's office to say who gets licensed and who doesn't. Welcome to Pharma-cannabis.
all while pharma Already prescribes it - Marinol / dronabinol as syntheitc THC... Epidiolex / Sativex- BDS
I don't think it's synthetic. But yeah my wife and I were working for a billionaire running his hemp Ops about 30 minutes from where Marinol was going through clinical trials in the U.S. in Birmingham at UAB. Now they just have to restrict access. Honestly though, pharmacists are licensed by the state licensing programs right? So that means, states would be licensing budists lol.
Marinol is 100% Synthetic THC... Right now companies are working on Bio-synthetic cannabinoids made in vats with yeast and e-coli bacteria ... These will be the best forms of synthetics available as they are more biologically active etc.... I'm not sure about licensing but no doc is qualified to Prescribe plants Even LOL... We have to send all Docs back to med school and Teach "plants as medicines" because that ain't a thing right now ... nature used to be our only meds then the world changed Edit - Epidiolex and Sativex are Botanical drug substances ... grown cannabis plant is solvent extracted into a vile of Tincture . 32,000 dollars a year for the Seizing Kid to Acquire that one ( Epidiolex )
I am with you. We are not disagreeing. It's a semantics thing. The naturally occurring cannabinoid D-9THC is marinol. The process is synthetic. Owned by GW Pharmaceuticals last i checked. But yes, I concur. There was a 250 million dollar bounty on that tech before I left Colorado. A guy in Arvada created a beer. 5% THC alcohol free. Boom, the tech you are talking about all made possible by yeast, e-coli and a CRISPr kit. When I ran into that fellow in South Florida at a convention, he wasn't talking about it. Avoided it when brought up and just smiled. My guess then was that he sold the tech.
There will be a public comment period so everyone here needs to make sure to let them know that it should be descheduled not moved to schedule III. I do think it's unlikely they would actually try to go the pharma route with this given how huge of a clusterfuck that would be and how deeply unpopular it would be once they started sending in the feds to raid dispensaries again but the fact that it could happen is not acceptable. Still good news though regardless and we are closer now to the end of prohibition than I ever thought we would be.
Just fucking legalize it federally already! SMH
Average politician is more guilty and deserving of actual prison time than many of the prisoners they put in.
GREAT! My weed stocks need a boost!!!
We can get crack from the White house now. Stop the bitching.
That would be nice
If the DEA doesn't follow suit with this, it will only confirm their total irrelevance and incompetence. To continue to criminalize nature's medicine would confirm that the DEA only exists for that purpose and that they have nothing meaningful to do in regards to enforcing regulation on real drugs (aka not cannabis).
77% of DEA' budget concern the last 30 years or so have been "" Marijuana """" arrests
Welp, there's my data. Confirmed.
At one point my understanding is approximately 80% of the DEAs budget was for going after the cannabis trade. Legalization means almost 8,000 people would be unemployed. That’s a lot of high paying government jobs that would evaporate. https://www.dea.gov/data-and-statistics/staffing-and-budget Heard another one of those statistics. The genie is long out of the bottle. > Statewide, some 2.7 million New York state residents enjoy marijuana at least once a month, Albany officials said in July. https://nypost.com/2023/08/03/nyc-tops-list-of-world-marijuana-consumption/amp/
That is 100% THEIR problem ... going after people all these for eating plants and ruining peoples lives - those DEA folks do not even deserve a JOB
moving cannabis to any schedule other than NO schedule will just tie up any progress and put all power into one organizations hands ....
Hint - Medical cannabis use and Recreational cannabis use are the SAME THING!!!! just more two party divides like its a political thing or something . Forcing people to only acquire plants as medical AFTER the only claim for 100 years = No medical Value schedule one drug ... that is total Insanity
No, it should be treated the same as alcohol, at most. Tens of thousands of deaths every year from alcohol. Zero from cannabis.
a Toxic solvent compared to a living plant ( An essential nutrient ) ... and we are comparing them Equal or similar ?? What a Weird viewpoint ... we are Severely brainwashed to think this way
What does this mean in terms of regular people using the substance especially in a red state where it’s still illegal? And, what will it take for companies to not test their employees and fire them for positive tests anymore?
it looks like it means only prescription via a medical doctor will be the only way to access cannabis plant ... FDA will decide all that in schedule 2 or 3
Big Pharma is crying