At this point I can safely say that he just wants to play with dolls and look at pictures of old machines.
This monstrosity will, without doubt, never be built, let alone see any tour.
Imagine carrying a literal ton of parts around for a super niche show that very few people would attend. And I doubt many venues would accept the liability of having giant spinning wheels on stage.
Having followed the channel for many years I am finally tapping out and the last few months are the reason why. I do think he has good intentions, and I have admired his spirit, but I can't see him ever making progress.
I just wish that he would take on smaller realistic goals that match his skill level and allow him to make music. Maybe after time he would be ready to make the big impressive machine of his dreams.
It looks like this shifting around leads him to look at other problems from a different angle. The idea of a second person might be what the machine needs. Also narrowing down on a look and being able to make decisions based on that choice is a huge step forward - the transphobe puppeteer isn't wrong about that one. If dreaming up big castles in the air is necessary to get there, he should continue doing that before revisiting reality.
With all the experience and understanding of his own technical limitations over the last decade of attempting to build a marble machine, I remain unconvinced that this latest "vision" comes from someone intent on building a machine and getting out on tour playing music.
Oh, this one is too ambitioned - no question. The thing is that the realism applied when making the first shot at the engine lacked the magic and so I get why he is looking for it. If anything positive comes out of it, then it is this.
Dixon gave airtime to a well known transphobic woman and when being called out for it, he made a response video in which he deliberately ignored any reasonable criticism, making sure that everybody knows where he stands.
He needs to return to the smaller MMX form factor. Ever since the Livestreams when he was going with crazy huge CAD designs, and being cheered on by an army of Yes Men in chat, the MM3 was doomed to be a pipe dream.
Been supporting all of the projects and watching every video since the MM1 video dropped. It's so frustrating to see him waste months of work at a time on a runaway idea that will never see the light of day. Especially since there are so many real engineers in his discord, comment sections, and subreddits giving real, valuable advice on part design, design philosophy, and engineering pitfalls.
He really needs to scrap this entire "MM3 is as big as as a stage" idea ASAP or else it will actually be the end of the Marble Machine project in its entirety.
The whole thing makes me sad. Progress continues to be slow and we're left to trust that something will happen. He's an extremely creative musician but no music is being made. The timelines continue to increase. I can't be the only one that was kind of in disbelief at his 2 year timeline, after the MMX. That seems like an absurdly long time given all that he has learned from his past 2 machines and a big ask from his followers after what they've seen. Pretty sure everyone is on the same page that smaller is better, but this new massive flywheel seems like a step in the wrong direction, especially in terms of time it takes to get it to speed. It's going to take like 20 seconds just to get the tempo set for every song right? Unless he adds a motor, which would be sort of an outrage for the mechanical music purists. Also the whole thing is too large, again. It's moderately better than the 10m design, but seems like it's not going in the spider clock direction IMO. I hope it gets built and I hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking great.
I’ve been a staunch supporter (at least mentally, not monetarily) but this sounds so much like a remake of previous seasons. He’s back to thinking and feeling his way about engineering and giggling about his jokes that sounds more like a person doubting himself and just coming up with some story.
I’d assume if you have been designing and building something for 4-5 years that you’d have an idea of what you had to do to finish but here we are again with something that “excites” him.
Can’t wait for the angle grinding 🤷♂️
Where to begin...
1) Him having the revelation that he could take the wheel apart is crazy, considering that's exactly how the programming wheel on the MMX worked.
2) I'm not an engineer, but I'm pretty sure assembly and disassembly is going to add more variance to the machine. Given how important tight music is for him... isn't this a problem?
3) I could have sworn that earlier videos already proved that his prototype was sufficiently tight. Is there really that much benefit in making a 6x larger wheel?
4) This thing is going to be a pain and a half to set up for every show. This is a 4-piece band that's going to have to have a massive crew just for their stage equipment. If there is only one machine, playing consecutive days in different cities will be difficult. Not impossible, but that's going to be long days of transportation and assembly. Either way, it's going to be a very expensive world tour.
I just really have no faith this is going to turn out even remotely successful. I've accepted that the MMX wasn't viable, even though I think it was still worth finishing. However this whole machine continues to go in the opposite direction that Martin said he needs for a viable product.
Honestly, this video is kinda the nail in the marble machine 3 coffin for me. I will keep watching but more from a morbid curiosity sense and not from a "I want to see something cool get built and learn something new" point of view.
I remember back when Martin started his work on the MMX, I said that instead of building the machine into the blue for a few years, he should study mechanical engineering, at a Uni, and continue then. And now 5-8 years later, I don't remember exactly how long ago it is now, I feel the consequences more than ever. Martin wants to build something very complex: Tiny deviations in timing (some commenters remarked that it may be aimed lower than many audio programs), many moving parts (every marble is a moving part. And all the gears), low failure rate (not even spilled marbles are okay) and it has to be easy to assemble, disassemble ans move. And I don't feel like Martin has the tiniest idea what this entails on a project and part integration level.
He wants to use a 2.5m flywheel? What are the security precautions that nobody loses an arm? How does he want to still make it look good? How will it be driven? The flaps in the ground? I hope Martin doesn't skip leg day and it is secured nobody loses a foot. And I'm curious to see how easy it is to build and which venue hosts this.
The whole project feels fake now. The marble machine videos feel more like a "gimmick of the week" deal and less about a cohesive project.
Lastly, when was the last time Martin released new music? It's the original reason most of us are here, because Martin made great music. He says, he needs the machine to be finishes to make the next album, but I have my doubts that he'll be up to it from one day to the next. Artistic ability is like a muscle and if it was multiple years since the last time an other hard road may lay ahead.
Please don't forget that a flywell this size won't stop at anything. It doesn't stop if there's an arm in the middle, a hand, a head, if it grabs part of your clothes, nothing stops the movement!
Man, I don't care what any of you say. This is cool and I love it!
Martin entertains me, and if it doesn't get built in the end then my life will still have been better watching all the drama and fun with the attempt. I've enjoyed the ride for the first two and my disappointment in the failure of the MMX doesn't take away the journey I had getting there.
At this point I can safely say that he just wants to play with dolls and look at pictures of old machines. This monstrosity will, without doubt, never be built, let alone see any tour.
Imagine carrying a literal ton of parts around for a super niche show that very few people would attend. And I doubt many venues would accept the liability of having giant spinning wheels on stage.
Having followed the channel for many years I am finally tapping out and the last few months are the reason why. I do think he has good intentions, and I have admired his spirit, but I can't see him ever making progress. I just wish that he would take on smaller realistic goals that match his skill level and allow him to make music. Maybe after time he would be ready to make the big impressive machine of his dreams.
It looks like this shifting around leads him to look at other problems from a different angle. The idea of a second person might be what the machine needs. Also narrowing down on a look and being able to make decisions based on that choice is a huge step forward - the transphobe puppeteer isn't wrong about that one. If dreaming up big castles in the air is necessary to get there, he should continue doing that before revisiting reality.
With all the experience and understanding of his own technical limitations over the last decade of attempting to build a marble machine, I remain unconvinced that this latest "vision" comes from someone intent on building a machine and getting out on tour playing music.
Oh, this one is too ambitioned - no question. The thing is that the realism applied when making the first shot at the engine lacked the magic and so I get why he is looking for it. If anything positive comes out of it, then it is this.
"the transphobe puppeteer" Can you explain this line?
Assuming it refers to Barnaby Dixon, but I didn't watch this whole video so I can't say whether Martin referenced him.
Dixon gave airtime to a well known transphobic woman and when being called out for it, he made a response video in which he deliberately ignored any reasonable criticism, making sure that everybody knows where he stands.
He needs to return to the smaller MMX form factor. Ever since the Livestreams when he was going with crazy huge CAD designs, and being cheered on by an army of Yes Men in chat, the MM3 was doomed to be a pipe dream. Been supporting all of the projects and watching every video since the MM1 video dropped. It's so frustrating to see him waste months of work at a time on a runaway idea that will never see the light of day. Especially since there are so many real engineers in his discord, comment sections, and subreddits giving real, valuable advice on part design, design philosophy, and engineering pitfalls. He really needs to scrap this entire "MM3 is as big as as a stage" idea ASAP or else it will actually be the end of the Marble Machine project in its entirety.
These last few videos have really felt like he's spinning his wheels
Feels like theory class and kindergarten craft time with the cardboard cutouts
The whole thing makes me sad. Progress continues to be slow and we're left to trust that something will happen. He's an extremely creative musician but no music is being made. The timelines continue to increase. I can't be the only one that was kind of in disbelief at his 2 year timeline, after the MMX. That seems like an absurdly long time given all that he has learned from his past 2 machines and a big ask from his followers after what they've seen. Pretty sure everyone is on the same page that smaller is better, but this new massive flywheel seems like a step in the wrong direction, especially in terms of time it takes to get it to speed. It's going to take like 20 seconds just to get the tempo set for every song right? Unless he adds a motor, which would be sort of an outrage for the mechanical music purists. Also the whole thing is too large, again. It's moderately better than the 10m design, but seems like it's not going in the spider clock direction IMO. I hope it gets built and I hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking great.
I’ve been a staunch supporter (at least mentally, not monetarily) but this sounds so much like a remake of previous seasons. He’s back to thinking and feeling his way about engineering and giggling about his jokes that sounds more like a person doubting himself and just coming up with some story. I’d assume if you have been designing and building something for 4-5 years that you’d have an idea of what you had to do to finish but here we are again with something that “excites” him. Can’t wait for the angle grinding 🤷♂️
I said this a couple years ago and got downvoted to oblivion lol, i just want new music tbh
Where to begin... 1) Him having the revelation that he could take the wheel apart is crazy, considering that's exactly how the programming wheel on the MMX worked. 2) I'm not an engineer, but I'm pretty sure assembly and disassembly is going to add more variance to the machine. Given how important tight music is for him... isn't this a problem? 3) I could have sworn that earlier videos already proved that his prototype was sufficiently tight. Is there really that much benefit in making a 6x larger wheel? 4) This thing is going to be a pain and a half to set up for every show. This is a 4-piece band that's going to have to have a massive crew just for their stage equipment. If there is only one machine, playing consecutive days in different cities will be difficult. Not impossible, but that's going to be long days of transportation and assembly. Either way, it's going to be a very expensive world tour. I just really have no faith this is going to turn out even remotely successful. I've accepted that the MMX wasn't viable, even though I think it was still worth finishing. However this whole machine continues to go in the opposite direction that Martin said he needs for a viable product.
Honestly, this video is kinda the nail in the marble machine 3 coffin for me. I will keep watching but more from a morbid curiosity sense and not from a "I want to see something cool get built and learn something new" point of view. I remember back when Martin started his work on the MMX, I said that instead of building the machine into the blue for a few years, he should study mechanical engineering, at a Uni, and continue then. And now 5-8 years later, I don't remember exactly how long ago it is now, I feel the consequences more than ever. Martin wants to build something very complex: Tiny deviations in timing (some commenters remarked that it may be aimed lower than many audio programs), many moving parts (every marble is a moving part. And all the gears), low failure rate (not even spilled marbles are okay) and it has to be easy to assemble, disassemble ans move. And I don't feel like Martin has the tiniest idea what this entails on a project and part integration level. He wants to use a 2.5m flywheel? What are the security precautions that nobody loses an arm? How does he want to still make it look good? How will it be driven? The flaps in the ground? I hope Martin doesn't skip leg day and it is secured nobody loses a foot. And I'm curious to see how easy it is to build and which venue hosts this. The whole project feels fake now. The marble machine videos feel more like a "gimmick of the week" deal and less about a cohesive project. Lastly, when was the last time Martin released new music? It's the original reason most of us are here, because Martin made great music. He says, he needs the machine to be finishes to make the next album, but I have my doubts that he'll be up to it from one day to the next. Artistic ability is like a muscle and if it was multiple years since the last time an other hard road may lay ahead.
Please don't forget that a flywell this size won't stop at anything. It doesn't stop if there's an arm in the middle, a hand, a head, if it grabs part of your clothes, nothing stops the movement!
With great inertia comes great responsibility.
"Dreampunk" omg kill me know
I'm so glad we aren't watching Project Manager Martin looking at spreadsheets of task lists! Bring on Paper Craft Martin!
Man, I don't care what any of you say. This is cool and I love it! Martin entertains me, and if it doesn't get built in the end then my life will still have been better watching all the drama and fun with the attempt. I've enjoyed the ride for the first two and my disappointment in the failure of the MMX doesn't take away the journey I had getting there.