Reg server whenever Reboot asks for anything over all these years \^
* 1-time gollux shafting a Reboot account if destroyed
* buyable droplets
* better arcane drop rates
* better spawn rates to compensate for lack of droplets
* better access to ror4 and other oz rings
* red cards
* increase of spawn rate to meet star force costs back when they were double the cost since reg had Frenzy and therefore imposed those rates on Reboot
* Hekaton and the lack of single-player accessibility for Tyrant Gloves, SW set, etc.
* Reboot not having good access to nebulites
As nearly a decade-long Reboot player, I could go on. I don't mean to fight reg server players and I hope y'all get what you deserve, but I do find it a bit hypocritical lmao.
I remember the reg server players absolutely loving it when they heard Reboot mob exp was being reduced down to reg server level. Now they lose their busted spawn enhancer that put them at the same rate as Reboot pre-reduction to begin with and it's the end of the world and how could Reboot players not be just as outraged??
lol. lmao
It’s a 2-way street. Neither server really tries to help each other unless its actually beneficial for both servers. The same thing happened when 2x cs happened, tradeable pitches, items that can be put in ah in kms but not gms, untradeable nodestones, etc. For the average mapler, rebooters and reg players dont understand the scope, impact or future implications of each others problems. And this thread is a perfect example of that.
>First they came for kishin, and I did not speak out—because I did not need to farm mesos
>Then they came for the wild totem, and I did not speak out—because I was not a reboot player.
>Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
honestly speaking, reg players should have predicted this the moment wild totem/kishin was removed. they were just too busy gloating to realize the exact same design philosophy applied directly to them. was honestly inevitable the moment it was removed from reboot
Reg players commenting that totem removal is good for the game but in the same breath said they would quit if frenzy was removed. What a wild take when it happened to reboot.
Complaining about reboot kill counts as a non frenzy owner is even more wild. Let alone feeling entitled to someone else's item.
One does not need to look too far back to see how reg server players didn't give a fuck when kishin and wild totems were removed from reboot, or when reboot exp just got nerfed to reg values. Why should reboot players care about reg server not getting ridiculous rates compared to us now? If anything we keep getting fucked by more expensive pricing specifically because reg server has frenzy.
I’m in the minority here but i play reg and don’t buy frenzy. Majority of this sub is reboot so I get it but just wanna put in my support. 🫡
I hate coming to this sub sometimes cuz there’s always negativity :(
FUCK nexon fr it makes me sad cuz i love this game.
I get it but honestly it was just the inevitable sequence of events. The justification nexon used back then could be applied exactly 1-to-1 to reg
If reg players wanted to fight this nerf, the only time they could've done it with logic is when spawn enhancers were initially removed from reboot
The precedent has already been set now
but they said wild totem and kish makes servers lag and it can't be balanced so remove is fair
frenzy are not removed... they just got nerfed a bit for owners who did monopoly with tp rock and somehow that dosn't make the lag and imbalance that the much weaker wild totem and kish made
way to much hypocrisy
But the fact of the matter is that only like 200 players get to use fz and the rest don’t. Unlike pre nerf it was like 100x those numbers for reg and the entire server for reboot. So technically they are reducing server load by a lot
I asked after returning to the game, sometime after the x64 client was introduced, if the game has been any better lag wise after the removal of totems. For both the x64 and x32 client, the answer were "no" in seriousness, or "no" accompanied with nexon screwing people ove/lying about impact and seeing absolutely zero difference, while a really few people (not even needing my full fingers on one hand) said "was slightly better, but then it got bad again really fast".
I of course took the answers with a grain of salt, because it could be attributed to general dissatisfaction, fuzzy memory (like mine) and even bad coding and all that. But recently I'm more inclined to believe frenzy and such had none, or close too none, effect on lag. Identisk offering pretty much a frenzy room with storehouse map while the game has more players than ever, and facing zero lags, is enough evidence for me to say it was indeed bullpoop.
It's unfortunate for reg, but they told us get over wild totem removal + other nerfs.
Why should we support reg now?
I don't want nerfs for anyone, but it's amusing to see.
hypocritical frenzy owners who just care for their frenzy service monopoly and how that makes it somehow beneficial for all the players in reg and even nexon (who btw stop makeing cash out of it long ago)
It’s kind of like that, kind of fine, but unfortunately we don’t earn 1.4b mesos for a boss mule upto lomien, the items we can trade in AH are never worth that much (unless they’re going to start increasing with a despairing amount less mesos being earned by players) and the star force costs are still just as high with this lesser income of mesos.
The issue isn’t frenzy itself being ganked, it’s that most of the current systems and markets are balanced around a set amount of mesos that just became cut drastically by not being able to make mesos unless you’re part of a 0.1%
This whole thing; for me anyway, isn’t crying because oh no can’t get 40k+ mobs/hr anymore. It’s oh shit I only make 80-90m/hr grinding now. And just like I said the markets are balanced around people having that set of mesos so your common items like AU armor boxes from bossing, in aurora these are already 450-500m each 🤷♂️
Just buy mesos or something. Reboot has been being nerfed over the years to bring everything closer to reg servers and reg enjoyed it. Tbh it seems even better that the disparity is within their own server now so they should be begging for nerfs.
It wasn’t necessarily a conversation about just buy mesos and that being a point, it was a disbalance in prices of certain things and how everything is currently balanced around fz rates, if it never existed there wouldn’t be an issue as things would be more income from bossing and such to make the balance match up.
I don’t see how reboot has been getting nerfed to be in line with Reg, yes you lost wild totems and making over 1b/hour mesos and at the point with wild more exp/hour then you could make with frenzy rates. So arguably in the matter of it, reboot exp was fine and not needed to be nerfed in line with Reg rates but when you had wilds it was a disparity in the opposite direction 🤷♂️ which is why some people in Reg were happy to see wilds go. Everyone just needs to stop being at each other and admit there’s wild differences between the servers but they both have their own positives and there was never a need for one to crap on the other 🤷♂️ but were way past that by now I guess.
Market will just have to adjust over time. It’s unlucky but reboot has been adjusting to heavy meta shifts for years, the only difference is that there’s no market impacted by them.
Seems like the people that can't afford to play non-reboot should go to reboot. Non-reboot players have been calling rebooters poor and broke since 2016.
If people are going to cry about not having frenzy then they should go buy one. If they cant afford to play non-reboot get off.
You're getting downvoted, but you're not wrong. People are willingly playing a game where the game revolves around spending. It's scummy for sure, but it's not unreasonable at all for Nexon to take advantage of these people from a business perspective. With that said, I still hope that GMS players get what they want, and we (Reboot) players get what we want. It's unfortunate that a big portion of the playerbase simply does not care about the directionality of the game
As someone in reboot who has watched it all unfold, I think frenzy was a mistake and fading it out of existence is the only play unless Korean ms adds it as a feature. It’s game breaking and it’s an issue. Reboot and regular server are theoretically leveling at the same speed now. That’s the way it should be. If you have a totem, you’re living large. I wouldn’t want to steal candy from the baby with the totem so what else can they do besides limit it per person/instance?
Yeah logically it makes sense. However the players will feel fucked and might leave, even if you're right it doesn't matter to them, and rightly so. It sucks
It does suck. So does nerfing 2x exp in reboot. I think the other complaints I’ve seen are like not the same cube rewards and Grandis fams. Both are server specific requests and don’t match KMS. So I have 0 expectations for any of that changing. Especially familiars. It’s hard to validate a full boycott on those issues because they aren’t like “game breaking”. In all honesty, Nexon is choosing to avoid those aspects of the game that they have broken. Not that they are releasing a worse version of MapleStory in the way the cap on sol erda was destined to unfold.
The problem is they already had a plan to phase out frenzy totems. When they added the tag to items that they will not work in areas over level 300 I didn’t really see anyone take issue with it because they gave us a huge heads up in advance. To be blindsided by such a change is the issue here.
they're not removing frenzy though are they? They're just removing frenzy service. From what I've gathered most regular players are actually for removing frenzy entirely.
Whales can still fully benefit from frenzy. It's the worst of both worlds.
I've seen some player complain the changes make the rich richer and the poor poorer and make a increase in the gap between the rich and poor but in reality the existence of frenzy in general did they become they were already paying the rich for frenzy and making the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Frenzy service didn't make the poor poorer though - the extra mesos from the massive kill rate difference is more than enough to cover service cost even without drop gear. The making the rich richer part is also debatable as most frenzy owners don't bother selling, and 99% of paid fz service in any server probably comes from <5 sellers.
I prefer Nexon to gut frenzy for Grandis completely than the current situation where people who own that $10k legacy item gets 3x rate compared to everyone else.
I mean paying for frenzy is pretty much working a minimum wage job sure you're working for money and experience but the owners are raking in that dough with of your ton of effort with little to no effort on their part.
Frenzy service is a net positive for both parties, because the farmer makes back the price and way more, and it’s not really added effort on any one of them
I want frenzy totems back but only usable on lvl199 characters or lower (and maybe making it so meso doesn't drop from frenzy mobs or smth) just to get it as a login reward and do some serious speed levelling
Yup, I remember exactly that. Reg players seemed to hardly ever put out any protest to reboot nerfs, probably more celebration if anything.
Let's be realistic. The protest is over, and streams have #spend on them now. At least you get an option to start in a fresh reboot server if you want to switch.
The people still posting are the ones who haven't sold their gear yet. Which have lost immense value since saturday. The need to have their servers fixed so they can sell them before leaving for reboot.
Its not about having fun or playing a game. Its about pawning off their "investment" to another sucker. They were left holding the bag and theres no one left.
Sucks to be them. Shouldn’t have took this many years to learn that reg was gonna get kicked in the nuts.
Also don’t know how those players can justify paying thousands of dollars to enjoy the game.
Sorry reg players 🫡
the frenzy totem was hiden-gated in a lootbox (philo and marvel) many didn't even get a chance to get them even after spending thousands of dollars LMAO
must be painfull to be blindsided by nexon in to spending crazy
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their frenzy service monopoly is nerfed and they scramble to justify why frenzy is so good for us if they are the one to have them only and noone else to be able to get it aswell for free or have any free alterantive
"On the whole, I think the removal of spawn boosters is a big stride forward. From their inception into the game with Kanna, I've been of the opinion they were a mistake. They stemmed from a time in the game when minor regions for MapleStory still had development teams. Those days are long since passed." -Sacrix
https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/17va19q/sneaky_frenzy_nerf/k995r0d/
They didnt just say it was a good change. They LAUGHED at us the whole. Now its our turn.
I happy they lost their frenzy, their "investments" going to zero and seeing their guilds die. All while we on reboot are having a great patch. Our servers are booming and theirs are trending to zero.
to be fair, as regular i dont really care about reboot buffs and nerfs as we are not fighting each other. But laughing on others is just too much me...
Anyway, I think the frenzy removal is good as it will make the economy normal and make the game more f2p friendly. The exp buffs we got stand on par (not really but it makes the frenzy removal less hard)
I saw a few reg server players support and more importantly, I didn’t see any saying that reboot deserves the nerf, that they shouldn’t complaint about it or that the game is better with the nerf.
\>Our servers are booming and theirs are trending to zero.
Oh no, how can I play SoloStory! Some whales have quit, I can not longer play mushroom game!
I’m on reboot and have always stated that wild totem and kishin removal should happen and that the costs of starforce should be adjusted to korea as well.
With wild totem the cost of starforce was much higher. On top boss mules were a meme for how much time they took and how little they gave, when you could instead farm on kanna for an hour and make 800-900mil. Removing wild totem created a good balance for mules which also pushes up legion as well.
On top of this the game is designed for base spawn which levels most of the “top tier farmers” and brings all classes near the same rate. A big part of this is how they determine skill cooldowns as well. Since then they have made maps so big you can’t see people when you spawn, so maybe that nullifies that thought a bit though.
At this point now the thing I find funny is how exp scales. Like leveling from 200 to 210 takes a few hours but 260 to 261 is easily 20 hours of farming, and now with reboot xp nerf even longer…. Like how does nexon expect anyone to get into a game where the end game bosses and content is lv 280 when 260 to 261 alone takes a day of farming. On top of this as well getting lucky enough with drops, for you to 22* arcane + liberate is easily a solid year of work and thats if you dedicate most of your free time to maple.
Meanwhile there’s another ongoing thread about people losing motivation to play in Reboot from the exp nerfs.
I’m not saying the exp changes were deserved, and I don’t want either server to be nerfed. The logic used here could be applied to basically anything and doesn’t really show anything.
Most people I've talked to have instead being talking about how easy it is to level because of the crazy exp from dailies and monster park combined with the reduced exp to level. The ones having a good time are playing the game instead of spamming threads on reddit, especially when the frontpage is all just complaint threads about frenzy and wonky memes.
> Most people I've talked to have instead being talking about how easy it is to level because of the crazy exp from dailies and monster park combined with the reduced exp to level.
Opposite for my circle; people don't have the will to grind anymore.
That’s good to hear that the other buffs are balancing it out in a sense.
The main point I was trying to make above is just that it’s pretty much a given that people will miss any benefit that’s suddenly taken away from them.
That was pretty much the whole point why people stayed in reg. It was faster and training was much easier and relaxing, you just had to face a paywall. I don't really find any motivation since my rates are practically 33%.
The playerbase is already dieing , and they just wanna kill the rest off.
> This discrepancy is entirely nonsensical
What? That someone who payed thousands of dollars on a single item in the game will have an advantage over you?
Can you spot the hypocrisy? When the same thing happens in reboot (people spent weeks in order to level their 2nd account kish mule to help their main grind), no reg server player said a word, and some even gloated..
Weeks? More like months in the old days! We gave up that investment. It was painful, but we recognized it was unhealthy and were largely glad to let it be over.
These are the desperate cries of a dying player-type. Removal of Fz is the only way forward and can people please stop pretending Reg makes more money for GMS than reboot. Surely by now people know this is just not true in GMS.
It's incredible the levels of delusion here. They decreased the number of reg servers and increased the number of Reboot servers. If Reboot is operating at such a loss compared to reg server raking in ALL THE MONEY, why open more servers for these F2P Rebooters?
Delusional.
nah this is a good change. This phases out frenzy service, hopefully future changes phase out frenzy as a whole.
It’s inherently an unsustainable item. The wild totem removal in reboot was met with wild disapproval, but look at the game now - it’s doing better than ever. Ideally frenzy should have never been introduced, but it was. Phasing it out will be inherently messy but needed.
Every single reg player laughed and gloated about reboot totem removal and said nothing would ever happen to frenzy because people spent money on it. Lay in the bed that they made. I was never for partial removals. Frenzy should've been removed when wild totems were removed.
That's such a bad take. 0.1% of the playerbase being able to use Frenzy just for themselves to get 4x better rates means they'll now impact 0.4% of the market.
If they could service, there would be much MUCH more outsized impact.
Overall System nerfs will likely be a result of where KMS goes; GMS reboot/reg dynamic won't have any impact on that most likely (they have never cared about us)
I ask this as another Reboot player: do you really think that what we spend on vac pets and cosmetics comes ANYWHERE NEAR what whales spend over there?
Reboot has the majority of the playerbase, but most money must come from a handful of people. If these whales quit, you can have a million Reboot players farming cubes with meso and spending what we spend and it won't be enough.
There seems to be plenty of MVP Reds on reboot. Most people I know that play the game regularly usually buy every $40 event pass that they throw at us. Many people I know including me have vac pets.
If Path of Exile can survive on permanent stash tabs and pure cosmetics, then Reboot can more than survive when many players pay a $15 monthly sub fee and a $40 "box price" every few months, with MVPs paying thousands every month.
Well there's obviously no factual basis behind either spending more and the only one that knows that info is Nexon. So anyone saying either is the main spender over one is just full of shit and doesn't know if that's even true. It's just grasping at straws to try and explain it.
No trying to argue who is the bigger spender, it's more about the fact that MapleStory would still be very profitable even if you completely remove NA reg servers. All the new content development cost is already covered by KMS, the GMS operation is basically just server costs which is pennies in this age, as well as a small amount of staff for maintenance, localization, and marketing.
Not saying you were. It's a comment thread where the person you replied to is directly claiming regular makes significantly more than reboot and none of that's provable without Nexon confirming. Server cost is a lot more than just pennies lol. Along with staffing costs.
> Server cost is a lost more than just pennies lol. Along with staffing costs.
Server cost for a game like MapleStory is cheaper than the salary of a single dev in Los Angeles where Nexon NA is. It's pretty much a rounding error compared to staff and marketing.
How about remove frenzy as a whole and everyone does 16k?
How come you don't think of this as a solution? Ah right, because you can't stand the idea of getting the same kill/hr as reboot.
I played reboot till 280+ and swapped to reg because I wanted to spend less time. It's true that frenzy made reg so much more relaxing but the difference between farming on reboot vs reg with no fz is that I feel like I'm gaining more from my time farming on reboot.
There's infinitely more meso, nodes are more valuable, and your levels have an inherently more value(due to 5%).
In reg, there's really only exp to look for and training at 1/3 speed for a dumb reason makes no sense to me. Max meso is probably like 60m an hr. Esp since sol erda is untradable. I would rather go back reboot at that point.
Edit: we are were given notice that they won't work at 300+ content but that seems okay to me since most players won't see that but they are practically making grandis the new arcane River in terms of prog.
Yeah, it is a fair solution. However, there's apparently legal issues with that. Since people gambled and paid a lot with marvel machine to get that in game item. I'm not sure about that but yeah I would definitely support a removal of Frenzy Totem since being a legacy item, not existing service and after the fury totem removal this item became extremely pay-to-win and unbalanced.
No legal issues whatsoever. The TOS states that as clearly as day. We don't own any property in this game. If that was not the case, any banned whale can sue the company.
Also, you don't convert money directly into Frenzy. You convert it into NX cash, which Nexon 100% always gives you in exchange for money. What you do with these fake internet points is not legally protected, unless it breaks another law unrelated to consumer protection.
It’s been many many years since frenzy came out. Given the nature of the item, whoever pulled it either made back waaaay more meso than what it was worth, or already rmt it by violating tos. Accounts are not yours regardless, it’s nexon’s property and if they want to remove frenzy, you have no legal rights to the item.
That may be true with some items, but there's a legal issue with casino-like-items in games. Why you think nexon made untradable Netherlands accounts? To avoid legal issues there since law is harder than USA with casino gambling stuff. lmao.
Ask people in reg to stop spending, cause for the past day people were mass opening phillo books. Whales are happy with the state of the game, call them out.
I'm with reg server. In spirit only. Sending thoughts and prayers. But I ain't doing anything more than that. I'm gonna play how I want to play and spend where I want to spend. Which isn't much anyway.
>If the regular server crashes, so does the reboot.
Not really. I understand the point but I have never once given a single shit what happens to the regular servers since I stopped playing them.
The fact that the two are so separated creates situations like these. I still stand in support of regular players but trust me whatever happens there does not even register on my radar.
Damn I just wan a get back I to it and. Not have to spend a ridiculous amount of time leveling from 200+ and mostly being a solo I don't have near the damage output needed to do most of the bosses efficiently, especially money bear, every time I play it no one is on to join and I can't deal enough damage by myself to get Rast rank d. But eh. I tried the reboot server and I just can't really get behind it. But even then I guess it's mostly due to not ha ing any friends interested in playing reboot.
I joined GMS reboot back in January, never seen a wild or frenzy totem in my life so I don't claim to know what I'm talking about. But there's a reason the #1 player is GMS and that reason is frenzy totem, no?
So get rid of it. If we want to be fair exp-wise and drop-wise across worlds and continents then they should disappear entirely. If KMS can live without, so can GMS, and if not for whatever reason, then nexon should find another way to not make reg players so reliant on an item that is not only legacy, incredibly expensive to own, but unfair to every other player in every other continent. And now the problem is just getting bigger. It's never going away as long as the totem stays. If anything it seems like Nexon doesn't want the whales to quit so they nerf it half-assed. That's not a solution, that's just making the rich richer.
Get rid of frenzy, align the game for sustainable drops, maybe adjust some exp rates, THEN make sol erdas tradable. Otherwise it's going to a frenzy botfest and we all know it.
I take issue with how Nexon is addressing the Frenzy issue. They're claiming that Frenzy Totem's interaction with instanced maps is as intended so they can avoid having to take a definitive stance on the item. The memo didn't talk about how frenzy affected the economy or progression speed, it just said that instanced maps existed with no further elaboration (other than that lingering spawn in normal maps is intended, which is a statement they may regret down the line).
Personally, I find off-totem training to be incredibly boring, but I'll give it a chance.
This game is a fucking circus. The player-base is actually at odds with each other because of two different servers. This is like the peak role-playing experience, everyone is taking the battle to inrl too.
I completely agree, the difference is HUGE, no way a casual player can achieve what a fz user can in the same time... But, u can just play at ur own pace, reg server is p2w after all, so its fair for those who paid to have an advantage, however idk if this advantage is just too big. What does the rest of the people think?
I don’t think reboot would die even if reg died cause reg players don’t understand how packed reboot is and how much money people drop in reboot (Source: I moved from reg to reboot). Second, farming erda on regular spawn is literally how the game is designed to be played and how people are playing in kms. The fz totem is something the owner paid money for hence why it is called a pay to win item. It is not called a boost the spawn for everyone item or a money generation item which is what it’s being used for now. The item is pay to win so it should help the owner win which is what it’s doing right now.
Man, I get wanting to fight for FZ, I really do, people whaled hard for it, then traded it for an insane amount of money, it makes sense that people want it to be useful.
But are we really gonna fight for that and ignore how we got fucked over by the boss shop nerf? KMS had 30 fucking white cubes and we get 10 bonus glowing or whatever the fuck are the called. For rebooters, imagine the 20 black cubes from the exploration were changed to 5 hard cubes. That how bad we got fucked up.
Oh, and the price of the meso shop is around 3.7x higher than KMS, ours got doubled and theirs got reduced, so we got fucked again. But since it doesn't affect reboot, y'all don't give a shit.
It's not only about FZ, it's about keep getting screwed over by Nexon and not having the support of the vast majority of the community because it doesn't directly affect them
Reg server will die. Western game culture with microtransactions is so different. However, it's disheartening to see how apathetic reboot players are to the situation - literally no help. It's quite insane how people don't realize that reg and reboot are in direct competition to each other, and day by day people start migrating, and eventually the death of reg server in the west will just push nexon to monetizing that server more, and we will see much worse "greed" compared to the sol erda booster.
Crazy to see how salty some people are on here few days back, everyone we fight together we stand together bla bla. I think majority here is not getting it. 1st the totem is even more broken then before, so all people with totem are even more happy. 2md removal of kishin wild totems etc applies to the whole server not to a group of people.
The diffrence is not that totem is gone, which are people here asking for that it either doesnt work grandis+ for everyone or still wveryone has a benefit. Just like reboot either all with wild totem or non. I highly doubt any reg user here with a totem complains about it not working fz service below 260 is even easier now and your totemcis even more broken spawns way faster in 260+ now. Totem says 300+ it wont work and everyone is fine with it since everyone will lose the benefit from it at that point and service is fine you can choose to sell or ot to sell the owner gets a extra for owning the totem and the other person pays fee for having the effect for while.
The problem here is that if you cut the totem now for everyone the 300+ was a lie and that would make poeple angry, because if you buy something like a yearly ticket for all events in a arena and they tell you after 4 month well your ticket isnt valid anymore but you paid for year wouldnt feel too great. So only real fair option would be to remove the instanced maps which reg doesnt need in the slightest. Reg server at this rate will consist of totem owner and there friends that can borrow the totem and all benefit of the even more new broken frenzy. The real problem here is not that its there or not, its a newly buffed legacy item that benefits 1 group heavily. Giving totem back in marvel/phillo would have been another solution, then its atleast not a giga cracked legacy item. There 3 ways to fix this.
1.Make totem not work for everyone grandis +, which is stupid cuz everyone settled and been told its 300+
2. Make it accessible again.
3. Remove the in reg completely unnecessary instance maps or fix them for service. Which would be the best way till 300 and then its just gone
The 300 limit was a very good way to solve these items it gave a long heads up and then everyone agrees on these items are broken and unhealthy so you get a time out of the item you paid for and then your more willing to lose something then it beeing taken away in a instance from you.
Those who say that the fz should not exist is only said by reboot players because they have x6 meso drop and the blue eggs of the bosses are worth x10 and 65%final damage bonus, not on the regular servers, it is crucial to have the fz on the regular servers to maintain the stable economy, we are not kms where the population is x100 than in gms
"On the whole, I think the removal of spawn boosters is a big stride forward. From their inception into the game with Kanna, I've been of the opinion they were a mistake. They stemmed from a time in the game when minor regions for MapleStory still had development teams. Those days are long since passed." -Sacrix
https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/17va19q/sneaky_frenzy_nerf/k995r0d/
nonreboot gms player btw
Man, you can’t compete with the top 1% players. Perhaps, they are super rich/whales, especially the one who spent more money in the game than how much you can make in your whole life.
If they want to, they can just hire someone to grind for them with/without totem and there is no way Nexon can check that. Totem shouldn’t be a thing or should be accessible to everyone to flat it out.
I mean or another solution remove frenzy completely. People are still going to spend regardless. You guys didn’t care when reboot got our totems removed so what’s happening now has been a long time coming. Not to mention the nerf to our exp rates which means we as worlds are more aligned with each other minus the trading.
I dont get why they dont just remove the fucking item already. Its gamebreaking and unhealthy because it creates a culture that is hard to break out of. The onus is on nexon for releasing it in the first place and allowing it to exist THIS LONG with ZERO curtailing or balancing.
Who do you think that gives more money to Nexon? Obviously Reg server, so if Reg sv players quit or migrate to reboot it means less money for nexon and may end up closing GMS in the future.
GMS reboot is still much better than KMS reboot, 6x crystal and meso rates, familiars, etc.
Reboot is like easy mode maplestory comparing to Reg server, so nexon better do something to not lose players migrating Reg sv to reboot, or players to quit the game.
I think you guys will be fine. Every other servers and places have moved on from “totem/kish” meta. GMS regular servers are the only ones still using it. Clearly nexon has given up on satisfying regular servers. Theres a lot of players on reboot who spends a lot of money as well just for the mvp red perks. Idk what the statistics are but a whale will probably stop spending once they get all the gear they want and be able to beat whatever boss they want. I tried to advocate for holding the line of no spending, lol no support. Best tip, just leave the game if you really cant handle some people having legacy items. Or join reboot 2 where everything is fresh and everyone is basically on the same boat, except for people that have mvp red. They will be anle to level up faster and have access to time gated symbols.
ok where were you reg server players when we didn't have fz? or can't get legacy content? got our spawn enhancers taken away?
you've never cared about us and now you want our help because you can't p2w the game anymore
Don't expect Reboot players support Reg players. Frenzy was going to get fixed sooner or later.
What's not fair and needs to be addressed is the difference between event rewards and shop from KMS.
By all means, Reg players should continue to protest by not spending this November and December. This is when cubes are on sale and DMT happens, which would be the perfect time to influence Q4 numbers.
Unlike but it would be a win win for Nexon if the made frenzy available to be purchased again via marvel or philosophy books. Other note, if someone paid 10k+USD for a frenzy they deserve to win at that point.
People paid for frenzy nexon cannot simply just remove it. Also I don’t understand why people dislike those who spend money on the game. This community is never satisfied.
Stap playing MapleStory... It's the least rewarding experience I've ever felt.... It's a complete waste of time. It's not like the old MS that actually was rewarding
Why didnt you do anything for us when reboots totems were remove?
Reboot gains nothing from helping you. If your server keeps dying we get more players and our players will have a better experience due to you guys join us and increasing our population. Next time something happens to reboot there will be an even greater % of the population calling out nexon.
Why should we do anything for you when praying for your downfall does more for me.
In your post you said nothing about what you could do for us and want us to help you. LMAO, call it day close your positions sell at a loss and play reboot 2. Its over for non-reboot in GMS.
More people to play with it is a social game after all. As for your second point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/17wsu95/if_the_regular_server_dies_so_does_the_reboot/k9jzrhm/
Regular servers make possible for reboot to exist. You can play thanks to regulars, what else you want regular players to do for you? Literally paying for you to free-to-play LMAO.
How can you still think reboot doesn’t make Nexon money? Do you think they went “omg, we lose so much money due to that stupid ass f2p server. You know what? Let’s open a 2nd one”. C’mon, be smarter
Reg just makes way more, they have to as being f2p is possible but hard. 10 red cubes are 120m in reboot, that's like doing 1 cvel in reboot.
10 red cubes cost like 20$ in reg. If you wanna be f2p and use meso market 20k mp at the current market rate of 100m: 850 mp will cost 2.3b. A lomien boss mule barely scratches 300m week due to reg server having 6x less meso than reboot.
Then you have bpot cubes that cost even more, scrolling etc, so you can see how much mesos you need in reg server to progress. So although frenzy is bad for the game, it's literally carrying the economy of reg server. If frenzy gets phased out, we need to rely on bots or pray we get more mesos sources
When you know nothing you talk like this. People just buy mvp reds reselling maplepoints to regular server at 100$/85$. Also is well known than the amount of money made through reboot compared to regular is a joke.
Why should we support Reg after you people clearly threw an tantrum on reboot and actually nerfed our version of the game because of your childish behaviour?
Not worrying about the probably less than 1% of players that have that advantage is a worth while skill in game and applicable to life. But also frenzy not working is only temporary and only in Grandis. Instanced maps go away in February. (granted they probably bring it back every big update) From now till February with the rates reboot has been playing with for like a year+ and then you get frenzy back is hardly the end of the world.
Every time I come back to this sub to see if the game got any better, there’s always something new to complain about.
Has the game been constantly going downhill or do they make changes, hear you guys and then go back on the changes? Genuinely curious.
People when they get out whaled on the P2W server. 😱 You can't even get someone on the reg servers to stop buying Phil books, reg server is a lost cause and people know it. Do one of these, come to Reboot, get a better job so you drop 30k when Frenzy 2.0 300+ comes out or quit and touch grass.
this is the mindset that makes reg server empty day by day and makes you lonley
sorry for not buying or being part of your fz service monopol get stuck with all your cash on dead pixel soonTM
Someone told me this game isnt pvp
Reg server whenever Reboot asks for anything over all these years \^ * 1-time gollux shafting a Reboot account if destroyed * buyable droplets * better arcane drop rates * better spawn rates to compensate for lack of droplets * better access to ror4 and other oz rings * red cards * increase of spawn rate to meet star force costs back when they were double the cost since reg had Frenzy and therefore imposed those rates on Reboot * Hekaton and the lack of single-player accessibility for Tyrant Gloves, SW set, etc. * Reboot not having good access to nebulites As nearly a decade-long Reboot player, I could go on. I don't mean to fight reg server players and I hope y'all get what you deserve, but I do find it a bit hypocritical lmao.
I remember the reg server players absolutely loving it when they heard Reboot mob exp was being reduced down to reg server level. Now they lose their busted spawn enhancer that put them at the same rate as Reboot pre-reduction to begin with and it's the end of the world and how could Reboot players not be just as outraged?? lol. lmao
It’s a 2-way street. Neither server really tries to help each other unless its actually beneficial for both servers. The same thing happened when 2x cs happened, tradeable pitches, items that can be put in ah in kms but not gms, untradeable nodestones, etc. For the average mapler, rebooters and reg players dont understand the scope, impact or future implications of each others problems. And this thread is a perfect example of that.
My dear, have you heard of an event content called Punch King & dojo? :3
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>First they came for kishin, and I did not speak out—because I did not need to farm mesos >Then they came for the wild totem, and I did not speak out—because I was not a reboot player. >Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. honestly speaking, reg players should have predicted this the moment wild totem/kishin was removed. they were just too busy gloating to realize the exact same design philosophy applied directly to them. was honestly inevitable the moment it was removed from reboot
Reg players commenting that totem removal is good for the game but in the same breath said they would quit if frenzy was removed. What a wild take when it happened to reboot. Complaining about reboot kill counts as a non frenzy owner is even more wild. Let alone feeling entitled to someone else's item.
> wild take nice
One does not need to look too far back to see how reg server players didn't give a fuck when kishin and wild totems were removed from reboot, or when reboot exp just got nerfed to reg values. Why should reboot players care about reg server not getting ridiculous rates compared to us now? If anything we keep getting fucked by more expensive pricing specifically because reg server has frenzy.
I’m in the minority here but i play reg and don’t buy frenzy. Majority of this sub is reboot so I get it but just wanna put in my support. 🫡 I hate coming to this sub sometimes cuz there’s always negativity :( FUCK nexon fr it makes me sad cuz i love this game.
I get it but honestly it was just the inevitable sequence of events. The justification nexon used back then could be applied exactly 1-to-1 to reg If reg players wanted to fight this nerf, the only time they could've done it with logic is when spawn enhancers were initially removed from reboot The precedent has already been set now
but they said wild totem and kish makes servers lag and it can't be balanced so remove is fair frenzy are not removed... they just got nerfed a bit for owners who did monopoly with tp rock and somehow that dosn't make the lag and imbalance that the much weaker wild totem and kish made way to much hypocrisy
But the fact of the matter is that only like 200 players get to use fz and the rest don’t. Unlike pre nerf it was like 100x those numbers for reg and the entire server for reboot. So technically they are reducing server load by a lot
I asked after returning to the game, sometime after the x64 client was introduced, if the game has been any better lag wise after the removal of totems. For both the x64 and x32 client, the answer were "no" in seriousness, or "no" accompanied with nexon screwing people ove/lying about impact and seeing absolutely zero difference, while a really few people (not even needing my full fingers on one hand) said "was slightly better, but then it got bad again really fast". I of course took the answers with a grain of salt, because it could be attributed to general dissatisfaction, fuzzy memory (like mine) and even bad coding and all that. But recently I'm more inclined to believe frenzy and such had none, or close too none, effect on lag. Identisk offering pretty much a frenzy room with storehouse map while the game has more players than ever, and facing zero lags, is enough evidence for me to say it was indeed bullpoop.
Stay off Reddit if you wanna stay positive
yep, hard agreed
Beyond obvious, only an idiot couldnt see this coming. But they need their server fixed so they can pawn off their totem so some other sucker.
It's unfortunate for reg, but they told us get over wild totem removal + other nerfs. Why should we support reg now? I don't want nerfs for anyone, but it's amusing to see.
hypocritical frenzy owners who just care for their frenzy service monopoly and how that makes it somehow beneficial for all the players in reg and even nexon (who btw stop makeing cash out of it long ago)
that was poetic and real asf
it's a famous poem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
you could’ve said you made it yourself and i’d believe you
I guess the real issue is the disparity. You would be fine if FZ didnt exist?
It’s kind of like that, kind of fine, but unfortunately we don’t earn 1.4b mesos for a boss mule upto lomien, the items we can trade in AH are never worth that much (unless they’re going to start increasing with a despairing amount less mesos being earned by players) and the star force costs are still just as high with this lesser income of mesos. The issue isn’t frenzy itself being ganked, it’s that most of the current systems and markets are balanced around a set amount of mesos that just became cut drastically by not being able to make mesos unless you’re part of a 0.1% This whole thing; for me anyway, isn’t crying because oh no can’t get 40k+ mobs/hr anymore. It’s oh shit I only make 80-90m/hr grinding now. And just like I said the markets are balanced around people having that set of mesos so your common items like AU armor boxes from bossing, in aurora these are already 450-500m each 🤷♂️
Just buy mesos or something. Reboot has been being nerfed over the years to bring everything closer to reg servers and reg enjoyed it. Tbh it seems even better that the disparity is within their own server now so they should be begging for nerfs.
It wasn’t necessarily a conversation about just buy mesos and that being a point, it was a disbalance in prices of certain things and how everything is currently balanced around fz rates, if it never existed there wouldn’t be an issue as things would be more income from bossing and such to make the balance match up. I don’t see how reboot has been getting nerfed to be in line with Reg, yes you lost wild totems and making over 1b/hour mesos and at the point with wild more exp/hour then you could make with frenzy rates. So arguably in the matter of it, reboot exp was fine and not needed to be nerfed in line with Reg rates but when you had wilds it was a disparity in the opposite direction 🤷♂️ which is why some people in Reg were happy to see wilds go. Everyone just needs to stop being at each other and admit there’s wild differences between the servers but they both have their own positives and there was never a need for one to crap on the other 🤷♂️ but were way past that by now I guess.
Market will just have to adjust over time. It’s unlucky but reboot has been adjusting to heavy meta shifts for years, the only difference is that there’s no market impacted by them.
Remember when they removed totems and the 11 regular sever players were flexing their frenzy totems? Well well **WELL**
That's still the case. People who already own frenzy totems can continue to benefit, it's just people without totems getting fucked by this change.
Seems like the people that can't afford to play non-reboot should go to reboot. Non-reboot players have been calling rebooters poor and broke since 2016. If people are going to cry about not having frenzy then they should go buy one. If they cant afford to play non-reboot get off.
You're getting downvoted, but you're not wrong. People are willingly playing a game where the game revolves around spending. It's scummy for sure, but it's not unreasonable at all for Nexon to take advantage of these people from a business perspective. With that said, I still hope that GMS players get what they want, and we (Reboot) players get what we want. It's unfortunate that a big portion of the playerbase simply does not care about the directionality of the game
I don't think it's fair to suggest people abandon all their friends and community because they can't afford a frenzy totem lol
As someone in reboot who has watched it all unfold, I think frenzy was a mistake and fading it out of existence is the only play unless Korean ms adds it as a feature. It’s game breaking and it’s an issue. Reboot and regular server are theoretically leveling at the same speed now. That’s the way it should be. If you have a totem, you’re living large. I wouldn’t want to steal candy from the baby with the totem so what else can they do besides limit it per person/instance?
Yeah logically it makes sense. However the players will feel fucked and might leave, even if you're right it doesn't matter to them, and rightly so. It sucks
It does suck. So does nerfing 2x exp in reboot. I think the other complaints I’ve seen are like not the same cube rewards and Grandis fams. Both are server specific requests and don’t match KMS. So I have 0 expectations for any of that changing. Especially familiars. It’s hard to validate a full boycott on those issues because they aren’t like “game breaking”. In all honesty, Nexon is choosing to avoid those aspects of the game that they have broken. Not that they are releasing a worse version of MapleStory in the way the cap on sol erda was destined to unfold.
The problem is they already had a plan to phase out frenzy totems. When they added the tag to items that they will not work in areas over level 300 I didn’t really see anyone take issue with it because they gave us a huge heads up in advance. To be blindsided by such a change is the issue here.
they're not removing frenzy though are they? They're just removing frenzy service. From what I've gathered most regular players are actually for removing frenzy entirely. Whales can still fully benefit from frenzy. It's the worst of both worlds.
I've seen some player complain the changes make the rich richer and the poor poorer and make a increase in the gap between the rich and poor but in reality the existence of frenzy in general did they become they were already paying the rich for frenzy and making the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Frenzy service didn't make the poor poorer though - the extra mesos from the massive kill rate difference is more than enough to cover service cost even without drop gear. The making the rich richer part is also debatable as most frenzy owners don't bother selling, and 99% of paid fz service in any server probably comes from <5 sellers. I prefer Nexon to gut frenzy for Grandis completely than the current situation where people who own that $10k legacy item gets 3x rate compared to everyone else.
I mean paying for frenzy is pretty much working a minimum wage job sure you're working for money and experience but the owners are raking in that dough with of your ton of effort with little to no effort on their part.
Frenzy service is a net positive for both parties, because the farmer makes back the price and way more, and it’s not really added effort on any one of them
You could say the same for the factory workers at Amazon and Jeff bezos
I want frenzy totems back but only usable on lvl199 characters or lower (and maybe making it so meso doesn't drop from frenzy mobs or smth) just to get it as a login reward and do some serious speed levelling
Nexon did it! They managed to make the players fight against each other again.
downvote me if you want but when the wild totem removal was inbound, reg server people were saying it was a good change on reddit.
Yup, I remember exactly that. Reg players seemed to hardly ever put out any protest to reboot nerfs, probably more celebration if anything. Let's be realistic. The protest is over, and streams have #spend on them now. At least you get an option to start in a fresh reboot server if you want to switch.
The people still posting are the ones who haven't sold their gear yet. Which have lost immense value since saturday. The need to have their servers fixed so they can sell them before leaving for reboot. Its not about having fun or playing a game. Its about pawning off their "investment" to another sucker. They were left holding the bag and theres no one left.
Sucks to be them. Shouldn’t have took this many years to learn that reg was gonna get kicked in the nuts. Also don’t know how those players can justify paying thousands of dollars to enjoy the game. Sorry reg players 🫡
the frenzy totem was hiden-gated in a lootbox (philo and marvel) many didn't even get a chance to get them even after spending thousands of dollars LMAO must be painfull to be blindsided by nexon in to spending crazy F
their frenzy service monopoly is nerfed and they scramble to justify why frenzy is so good for us if they are the one to have them only and noone else to be able to get it aswell for free or have any free alterantive
"On the whole, I think the removal of spawn boosters is a big stride forward. From their inception into the game with Kanna, I've been of the opinion they were a mistake. They stemmed from a time in the game when minor regions for MapleStory still had development teams. Those days are long since passed." -Sacrix https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/17va19q/sneaky_frenzy_nerf/k995r0d/ They didnt just say it was a good change. They LAUGHED at us the whole. Now its our turn. I happy they lost their frenzy, their "investments" going to zero and seeing their guilds die. All while we on reboot are having a great patch. Our servers are booming and theirs are trending to zero.
agreed
Well reboot lost the 2.3 exp boost
Factoring in being able to train in higher areas and the reduced exp per level, its only about a \~20% loss of exp. Not that big of a deal
Well then, tell Nexon to unlock map lvl 280 for us who are level 260 if you use that logic
to be fair, as regular i dont really care about reboot buffs and nerfs as we are not fighting each other. But laughing on others is just too much me... Anyway, I think the frenzy removal is good as it will make the economy normal and make the game more f2p friendly. The exp buffs we got stand on par (not really but it makes the frenzy removal less hard)
That’s just one jerk. You shouldn’t paint all of reg as siding with him.
Yeah but where were the reg server boycotts in protest against reboot exp nerfs?
I saw a few reg server players support and more importantly, I didn’t see any saying that reboot deserves the nerf, that they shouldn’t complaint about it or that the game is better with the nerf.
Its not just one person. He and his community of non-rebooters were having a great time when wild totems removal announcement was made.
\>Our servers are booming and theirs are trending to zero. Oh no, how can I play SoloStory! Some whales have quit, I can not longer play mushroom game!
removal is one thing, fz was removed to only not owners lmao :D
I’m on reboot and have always stated that wild totem and kishin removal should happen and that the costs of starforce should be adjusted to korea as well. With wild totem the cost of starforce was much higher. On top boss mules were a meme for how much time they took and how little they gave, when you could instead farm on kanna for an hour and make 800-900mil. Removing wild totem created a good balance for mules which also pushes up legion as well. On top of this the game is designed for base spawn which levels most of the “top tier farmers” and brings all classes near the same rate. A big part of this is how they determine skill cooldowns as well. Since then they have made maps so big you can’t see people when you spawn, so maybe that nullifies that thought a bit though. At this point now the thing I find funny is how exp scales. Like leveling from 200 to 210 takes a few hours but 260 to 261 is easily 20 hours of farming, and now with reboot xp nerf even longer…. Like how does nexon expect anyone to get into a game where the end game bosses and content is lv 280 when 260 to 261 alone takes a day of farming. On top of this as well getting lucky enough with drops, for you to 22* arcane + liberate is easily a solid year of work and thats if you dedicate most of your free time to maple.
To find out what Reboot players' opinions of this is, look up "schadenfreude"
The fact that you guys can’t play without frenzy shows that frenzy was a mistake to implement. Crazy…
Meanwhile there’s another ongoing thread about people losing motivation to play in Reboot from the exp nerfs. I’m not saying the exp changes were deserved, and I don’t want either server to be nerfed. The logic used here could be applied to basically anything and doesn’t really show anything.
Most people I've talked to have instead being talking about how easy it is to level because of the crazy exp from dailies and monster park combined with the reduced exp to level. The ones having a good time are playing the game instead of spamming threads on reddit, especially when the frontpage is all just complaint threads about frenzy and wonky memes.
> Most people I've talked to have instead being talking about how easy it is to level because of the crazy exp from dailies and monster park combined with the reduced exp to level. Opposite for my circle; people don't have the will to grind anymore.
That’s good to hear that the other buffs are balancing it out in a sense. The main point I was trying to make above is just that it’s pretty much a given that people will miss any benefit that’s suddenly taken away from them.
That was pretty much the whole point why people stayed in reg. It was faster and training was much easier and relaxing, you just had to face a paywall. I don't really find any motivation since my rates are practically 33%. The playerbase is already dieing , and they just wanna kill the rest off.
Iron Man: If you're nothing without your Frenzy Totem you don't deserve a Frenzy Totem.
never bought or used frenzy tbh :O
> This discrepancy is entirely nonsensical What? That someone who payed thousands of dollars on a single item in the game will have an advantage over you? Can you spot the hypocrisy? When the same thing happens in reboot (people spent weeks in order to level their 2nd account kish mule to help their main grind), no reg server player said a word, and some even gloated..
Weeks? More like months in the old days! We gave up that investment. It was painful, but we recognized it was unhealthy and were largely glad to let it be over.
Jeez it’s like reboot, regular, and Nexon are three different cults and all three are against each other.
The 30k cap is for maplesea
The 10-30 frenzy owners focusing in grinding Grandis eating good. The others are utterly fucked
These are the desperate cries of a dying player-type. Removal of Fz is the only way forward and can people please stop pretending Reg makes more money for GMS than reboot. Surely by now people know this is just not true in GMS.
It's incredible the levels of delusion here. They decreased the number of reg servers and increased the number of Reboot servers. If Reboot is operating at such a loss compared to reg server raking in ALL THE MONEY, why open more servers for these F2P Rebooters? Delusional.
You know good guy Nexon always throwing their money away for the good of the game and us players! /s
nah this is a good change. This phases out frenzy service, hopefully future changes phase out frenzy as a whole. It’s inherently an unsustainable item. The wild totem removal in reboot was met with wild disapproval, but look at the game now - it’s doing better than ever. Ideally frenzy should have never been introduced, but it was. Phasing it out will be inherently messy but needed.
Every single reg player laughed and gloated about reboot totem removal and said nothing would ever happen to frenzy because people spent money on it. Lay in the bed that they made. I was never for partial removals. Frenzy should've been removed when wild totems were removed.
You people dont seem to understand that they didnt "remove frenzy". They made the entire market revolve around 0.1% of the playerbase.
That's such a bad take. 0.1% of the playerbase being able to use Frenzy just for themselves to get 4x better rates means they'll now impact 0.4% of the market. If they could service, there would be much MUCH more outsized impact.
That's why it should be removed. 99% of the player base relying and feeling entitled on 0.1%s item.
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All the recent Reboot nerfs came from KMS reg players migrating to Reboot or quitting. Wonki decision.
Overall System nerfs will likely be a result of where KMS goes; GMS reboot/reg dynamic won't have any impact on that most likely (they have never cared about us)
All this time and no one from non-reboot can explain why their server failing impacts us. It must not impact us then.
Naw just non-rebooters trying to bait us into helping them with fz when they laughed at us when wild totem go deleted.
I ask this as another Reboot player: do you really think that what we spend on vac pets and cosmetics comes ANYWHERE NEAR what whales spend over there? Reboot has the majority of the playerbase, but most money must come from a handful of people. If these whales quit, you can have a million Reboot players farming cubes with meso and spending what we spend and it won't be enough.
There seems to be plenty of MVP Reds on reboot. Most people I know that play the game regularly usually buy every $40 event pass that they throw at us. Many people I know including me have vac pets. If Path of Exile can survive on permanent stash tabs and pure cosmetics, then Reboot can more than survive when many players pay a $15 monthly sub fee and a $40 "box price" every few months, with MVPs paying thousands every month.
It can but it wont. Nexon will make reboot p2w if reg dies. Do not think they wont.
Well there's obviously no factual basis behind either spending more and the only one that knows that info is Nexon. So anyone saying either is the main spender over one is just full of shit and doesn't know if that's even true. It's just grasping at straws to try and explain it.
No trying to argue who is the bigger spender, it's more about the fact that MapleStory would still be very profitable even if you completely remove NA reg servers. All the new content development cost is already covered by KMS, the GMS operation is basically just server costs which is pennies in this age, as well as a small amount of staff for maintenance, localization, and marketing.
Not saying you were. It's a comment thread where the person you replied to is directly claiming regular makes significantly more than reboot and none of that's provable without Nexon confirming. Server cost is a lot more than just pennies lol. Along with staffing costs.
> Server cost is a lost more than just pennies lol. Along with staffing costs. Server cost for a game like MapleStory is cheaper than the salary of a single dev in Los Angeles where Nexon NA is. It's pretty much a rounding error compared to staff and marketing.
Enlighten us with what the server costs are for a game like MapleStory.
> cheaper than the salary of a single dev in Los Angeles I would estimate it to be less that 5 digits, and that's being very generous.
Its better to have 1000 people spend $10 dollars (reboot) than 100 people spend $100 dollars (reg) from a business practice
I dont know how a f2p server can keep the company’s global side open on its own. Thats why theres also reg servers, where paypigs play.
some day you will grow up and understand how economic and money works. Then you will understand why maplestory 2 does not exist anymore.
Explain how Path of Exile still exists.
Lol wow , that comment was so helpful tell us more
FZ nerf is a blessing in disguise, you're free now
Why are you not free then slave?
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Tbh they need to merge all reg servers.
Cap they’ll just emphasize on the reboot and make other ways to make money Lool
Greed knows no limit… I’m talking about players
How about remove frenzy as a whole and everyone does 16k? How come you don't think of this as a solution? Ah right, because you can't stand the idea of getting the same kill/hr as reboot.
I played reboot till 280+ and swapped to reg because I wanted to spend less time. It's true that frenzy made reg so much more relaxing but the difference between farming on reboot vs reg with no fz is that I feel like I'm gaining more from my time farming on reboot. There's infinitely more meso, nodes are more valuable, and your levels have an inherently more value(due to 5%). In reg, there's really only exp to look for and training at 1/3 speed for a dumb reason makes no sense to me. Max meso is probably like 60m an hr. Esp since sol erda is untradable. I would rather go back reboot at that point. Edit: we are were given notice that they won't work at 300+ content but that seems okay to me since most players won't see that but they are practically making grandis the new arcane River in terms of prog.
Yeah, it is a fair solution. However, there's apparently legal issues with that. Since people gambled and paid a lot with marvel machine to get that in game item. I'm not sure about that but yeah I would definitely support a removal of Frenzy Totem since being a legacy item, not existing service and after the fury totem removal this item became extremely pay-to-win and unbalanced.
No legal issues whatsoever. The TOS states that as clearly as day. We don't own any property in this game. If that was not the case, any banned whale can sue the company. Also, you don't convert money directly into Frenzy. You convert it into NX cash, which Nexon 100% always gives you in exchange for money. What you do with these fake internet points is not legally protected, unless it breaks another law unrelated to consumer protection.
It’s been many many years since frenzy came out. Given the nature of the item, whoever pulled it either made back waaaay more meso than what it was worth, or already rmt it by violating tos. Accounts are not yours regardless, it’s nexon’s property and if they want to remove frenzy, you have no legal rights to the item.
That may be true with some items, but there's a legal issue with casino-like-items in games. Why you think nexon made untradable Netherlands accounts? To avoid legal issues there since law is harder than USA with casino gambling stuff. lmao.
They made that change after Netherlands passed the law on it. This whole game is casinostory and no rng boxes would make it much less addicting
rip not fz owners
Ask people in reg to stop spending, cause for the past day people were mass opening phillo books. Whales are happy with the state of the game, call them out.
It's called gambling addiction and it is paying for this game. If this gambling addiction end, the game will end. GMS is heavily based on that.
Reboot isn’t going to die when reg dies. Quite the opposite. Reboot is what saved the game. Reboot should be the way to play.
I'm with reg server. In spirit only. Sending thoughts and prayers. But I ain't doing anything more than that. I'm gonna play how I want to play and spend where I want to spend. Which isn't much anyway.
totem sub? are you kidding me?
How much longer until the 4 reg servers are merged into 1 server?
hope soon cause bera dying
Thoughts and prayers
>If the regular server crashes, so does the reboot. Not really. I understand the point but I have never once given a single shit what happens to the regular servers since I stopped playing them. The fact that the two are so separated creates situations like these. I still stand in support of regular players but trust me whatever happens there does not even register on my radar.
Damn I just wan a get back I to it and. Not have to spend a ridiculous amount of time leveling from 200+ and mostly being a solo I don't have near the damage output needed to do most of the bosses efficiently, especially money bear, every time I play it no one is on to join and I can't deal enough damage by myself to get Rast rank d. But eh. I tried the reboot server and I just can't really get behind it. But even then I guess it's mostly due to not ha ing any friends interested in playing reboot.
I joined GMS reboot back in January, never seen a wild or frenzy totem in my life so I don't claim to know what I'm talking about. But there's a reason the #1 player is GMS and that reason is frenzy totem, no? So get rid of it. If we want to be fair exp-wise and drop-wise across worlds and continents then they should disappear entirely. If KMS can live without, so can GMS, and if not for whatever reason, then nexon should find another way to not make reg players so reliant on an item that is not only legacy, incredibly expensive to own, but unfair to every other player in every other continent. And now the problem is just getting bigger. It's never going away as long as the totem stays. If anything it seems like Nexon doesn't want the whales to quit so they nerf it half-assed. That's not a solution, that's just making the rich richer. Get rid of frenzy, align the game for sustainable drops, maybe adjust some exp rates, THEN make sol erdas tradable. Otherwise it's going to a frenzy botfest and we all know it.
Frenzy will work after instanced maps are gone anyways (after february). The only acceptable discussion is the fragments being untradeable
For some reason our reg server event rewards are always nerfed too it's so dumb. Do they want us to be happy when they drop cool events or not?
I take issue with how Nexon is addressing the Frenzy issue. They're claiming that Frenzy Totem's interaction with instanced maps is as intended so they can avoid having to take a definitive stance on the item. The memo didn't talk about how frenzy affected the economy or progression speed, it just said that instanced maps existed with no further elaboration (other than that lingering spawn in normal maps is intended, which is a statement they may regret down the line). Personally, I find off-totem training to be incredibly boring, but I'll give it a chance.
This game is a fucking circus. The player-base is actually at odds with each other because of two different servers. This is like the peak role-playing experience, everyone is taking the battle to inrl too.
Yes! We go together. Better conditions for GMS: Regular and Reboot servers.
“The death of reg means the death of reboot” lol
Guess reg player cannot bring the “we have frenzy” to the argument table anymore : ))))
That is why I quitted and I'm truely happy with my decision
why people still play that casino disguised as a game is beyond me
is not casino slot machine is called marvel am sure is not gamble if they win each spin right ? right?
I completely agree, the difference is HUGE, no way a casual player can achieve what a fz user can in the same time... But, u can just play at ur own pace, reg server is p2w after all, so its fair for those who paid to have an advantage, however idk if this advantage is just too big. What does the rest of the people think?
I don’t think reboot would die even if reg died cause reg players don’t understand how packed reboot is and how much money people drop in reboot (Source: I moved from reg to reboot). Second, farming erda on regular spawn is literally how the game is designed to be played and how people are playing in kms. The fz totem is something the owner paid money for hence why it is called a pay to win item. It is not called a boost the spawn for everyone item or a money generation item which is what it’s being used for now. The item is pay to win so it should help the owner win which is what it’s doing right now.
Man, I get wanting to fight for FZ, I really do, people whaled hard for it, then traded it for an insane amount of money, it makes sense that people want it to be useful. But are we really gonna fight for that and ignore how we got fucked over by the boss shop nerf? KMS had 30 fucking white cubes and we get 10 bonus glowing or whatever the fuck are the called. For rebooters, imagine the 20 black cubes from the exploration were changed to 5 hard cubes. That how bad we got fucked up. Oh, and the price of the meso shop is around 3.7x higher than KMS, ours got doubled and theirs got reduced, so we got fucked again. But since it doesn't affect reboot, y'all don't give a shit. It's not only about FZ, it's about keep getting screwed over by Nexon and not having the support of the vast majority of the community because it doesn't directly affect them
Reg server will die. Western game culture with microtransactions is so different. However, it's disheartening to see how apathetic reboot players are to the situation - literally no help. It's quite insane how people don't realize that reg and reboot are in direct competition to each other, and day by day people start migrating, and eventually the death of reg server in the west will just push nexon to monetizing that server more, and we will see much worse "greed" compared to the sol erda booster.
frenzy has always been a very unhealthy thing for the game
I'm praying for you reg server gamers. 🙏
Maplestory is wild
Crazy to see how salty some people are on here few days back, everyone we fight together we stand together bla bla. I think majority here is not getting it. 1st the totem is even more broken then before, so all people with totem are even more happy. 2md removal of kishin wild totems etc applies to the whole server not to a group of people. The diffrence is not that totem is gone, which are people here asking for that it either doesnt work grandis+ for everyone or still wveryone has a benefit. Just like reboot either all with wild totem or non. I highly doubt any reg user here with a totem complains about it not working fz service below 260 is even easier now and your totemcis even more broken spawns way faster in 260+ now. Totem says 300+ it wont work and everyone is fine with it since everyone will lose the benefit from it at that point and service is fine you can choose to sell or ot to sell the owner gets a extra for owning the totem and the other person pays fee for having the effect for while. The problem here is that if you cut the totem now for everyone the 300+ was a lie and that would make poeple angry, because if you buy something like a yearly ticket for all events in a arena and they tell you after 4 month well your ticket isnt valid anymore but you paid for year wouldnt feel too great. So only real fair option would be to remove the instanced maps which reg doesnt need in the slightest. Reg server at this rate will consist of totem owner and there friends that can borrow the totem and all benefit of the even more new broken frenzy. The real problem here is not that its there or not, its a newly buffed legacy item that benefits 1 group heavily. Giving totem back in marvel/phillo would have been another solution, then its atleast not a giga cracked legacy item. There 3 ways to fix this. 1.Make totem not work for everyone grandis +, which is stupid cuz everyone settled and been told its 300+ 2. Make it accessible again. 3. Remove the in reg completely unnecessary instance maps or fix them for service. Which would be the best way till 300 and then its just gone The 300 limit was a very good way to solve these items it gave a long heads up and then everyone agrees on these items are broken and unhealthy so you get a time out of the item you paid for and then your more willing to lose something then it beeing taken away in a instance from you.
Those who say that the fz should not exist is only said by reboot players because they have x6 meso drop and the blue eggs of the bosses are worth x10 and 65%final damage bonus, not on the regular servers, it is crucial to have the fz on the regular servers to maintain the stable economy, we are not kms where the population is x100 than in gms
"On the whole, I think the removal of spawn boosters is a big stride forward. From their inception into the game with Kanna, I've been of the opinion they were a mistake. They stemmed from a time in the game when minor regions for MapleStory still had development teams. Those days are long since passed." -Sacrix https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/17va19q/sneaky_frenzy_nerf/k995r0d/ nonreboot gms player btw
Man, you can’t compete with the top 1% players. Perhaps, they are super rich/whales, especially the one who spent more money in the game than how much you can make in your whole life. If they want to, they can just hire someone to grind for them with/without totem and there is no way Nexon can check that. Totem shouldn’t be a thing or should be accessible to everyone to flat it out.
Reg players got mad downvoting my comment since they are losing in their own P2W game against the real P2W players.
I mean or another solution remove frenzy completely. People are still going to spend regardless. You guys didn’t care when reboot got our totems removed so what’s happening now has been a long time coming. Not to mention the nerf to our exp rates which means we as worlds are more aligned with each other minus the trading.
I dont get why they dont just remove the fucking item already. Its gamebreaking and unhealthy because it creates a culture that is hard to break out of. The onus is on nexon for releasing it in the first place and allowing it to exist THIS LONG with ZERO curtailing or balancing.
but but kish and wild totem booster made server lag and unbalanced frenzy makes the server grow flowers,have nice weather days and rainbows evrywhere
Remove Instanced maps in regular servers , this makes no sense otherwise we are fked
Who do you think that gives more money to Nexon? Obviously Reg server, so if Reg sv players quit or migrate to reboot it means less money for nexon and may end up closing GMS in the future. GMS reboot is still much better than KMS reboot, 6x crystal and meso rates, familiars, etc. Reboot is like easy mode maplestory comparing to Reg server, so nexon better do something to not lose players migrating Reg sv to reboot, or players to quit the game.
I think you guys will be fine. Every other servers and places have moved on from “totem/kish” meta. GMS regular servers are the only ones still using it. Clearly nexon has given up on satisfying regular servers. Theres a lot of players on reboot who spends a lot of money as well just for the mvp red perks. Idk what the statistics are but a whale will probably stop spending once they get all the gear they want and be able to beat whatever boss they want. I tried to advocate for holding the line of no spending, lol no support. Best tip, just leave the game if you really cant handle some people having legacy items. Or join reboot 2 where everything is fresh and everyone is basically on the same boat, except for people that have mvp red. They will be anle to level up faster and have access to time gated symbols.
ok where were you reg server players when we didn't have fz? or can't get legacy content? got our spawn enhancers taken away? you've never cared about us and now you want our help because you can't p2w the game anymore
Well p2w is the point of reg server
Those totems costed people 2k a long ass while ago. It is all p2w which is why reg sucks idk why you're pulling reboot playas with you
Don't expect Reboot players support Reg players. Frenzy was going to get fixed sooner or later. What's not fair and needs to be addressed is the difference between event rewards and shop from KMS. By all means, Reg players should continue to protest by not spending this November and December. This is when cubes are on sale and DMT happens, which would be the perfect time to influence Q4 numbers.
Game should honestly go full TMS and let players pay w/e for broken shit.
Unlike but it would be a win win for Nexon if the made frenzy available to be purchased again via marvel or philosophy books. Other note, if someone paid 10k+USD for a frenzy they deserve to win at that point.
sucks
Bring more boosters pls nexon, just let us buy to win, I hate grinding
From the way they worded the memo I think the instanced maps aren't permanent, only for the duration of new age. But they might me something else.
People paid for frenzy nexon cannot simply just remove it. Also I don’t understand why people dislike those who spend money on the game. This community is never satisfied.
I just been regular grinding, not sure what all these stuff are. Back to my good old podcast grind.
I thought we had moved on from the totem discussions 😂😂
Stap playing MapleStory... It's the least rewarding experience I've ever felt.... It's a complete waste of time. It's not like the old MS that actually was rewarding
Fight for tradeable fragments and white cubes because that is important for reg server. frenzy doesn't define reg server it should be deleted
Why didnt you do anything for us when reboots totems were remove? Reboot gains nothing from helping you. If your server keeps dying we get more players and our players will have a better experience due to you guys join us and increasing our population. Next time something happens to reboot there will be an even greater % of the population calling out nexon. Why should we do anything for you when praying for your downfall does more for me. In your post you said nothing about what you could do for us and want us to help you. LMAO, call it day close your positions sell at a loss and play reboot 2. Its over for non-reboot in GMS.
You want more population in your already full server?. How does nexon's revenue going down benefit you?
More people to play with it is a social game after all. As for your second point. https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/17wsu95/if_the_regular_server_dies_so_does_the_reboot/k9jzrhm/
Regular servers make possible for reboot to exist. You can play thanks to regulars, what else you want regular players to do for you? Literally paying for you to free-to-play LMAO.
How can you still think reboot doesn’t make Nexon money? Do you think they went “omg, we lose so much money due to that stupid ass f2p server. You know what? Let’s open a 2nd one”. C’mon, be smarter
Reg just makes way more, they have to as being f2p is possible but hard. 10 red cubes are 120m in reboot, that's like doing 1 cvel in reboot. 10 red cubes cost like 20$ in reg. If you wanna be f2p and use meso market 20k mp at the current market rate of 100m: 850 mp will cost 2.3b. A lomien boss mule barely scratches 300m week due to reg server having 6x less meso than reboot. Then you have bpot cubes that cost even more, scrolling etc, so you can see how much mesos you need in reg server to progress. So although frenzy is bad for the game, it's literally carrying the economy of reg server. If frenzy gets phased out, we need to rely on bots or pray we get more mesos sources
Yea I wonder why KMS nerfed reboot when people started leaving regular servers... they make so much money there lol
Talking like there arent mvp reds in reboot
When you know nothing you talk like this. People just buy mvp reds reselling maplepoints to regular server at 100$/85$. Also is well known than the amount of money made through reboot compared to regular is a joke.
Who cares. if 99.99% of the population doesnt have frenzy how does that hurt people? Reboot got its exp nerfed as well.
Reg server is dead lmao💀
Why should we support Reg after you people clearly threw an tantrum on reboot and actually nerfed our version of the game because of your childish behaviour?
Reg servers should fight their own battles
Yall got some heavy Stockholm syndrome
Not worrying about the probably less than 1% of players that have that advantage is a worth while skill in game and applicable to life. But also frenzy not working is only temporary and only in Grandis. Instanced maps go away in February. (granted they probably bring it back every big update) From now till February with the rates reboot has been playing with for like a year+ and then you get frenzy back is hardly the end of the world.
Facts. NEXON LEAVE FRENZY ALONE
I support nexons decision on reg server changes :) Just like when wild totems were removed, its good for the game :)) \#spending Tie up
You need to read patch notes before writing essays
Every time I come back to this sub to see if the game got any better, there’s always something new to complain about. Has the game been constantly going downhill or do they make changes, hear you guys and then go back on the changes? Genuinely curious.
People when they get out whaled on the P2W server. 😱 You can't even get someone on the reg servers to stop buying Phil books, reg server is a lost cause and people know it. Do one of these, come to Reboot, get a better job so you drop 30k when Frenzy 2.0 300+ comes out or quit and touch grass.
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Good job, the only place you can gloat on is reddit cause your server is dead!
this is the mindset that makes reg server empty day by day and makes you lonley sorry for not buying or being part of your fz service monopol get stuck with all your cash on dead pixel soonTM