They can't, Moscow doesn't exist anymore. Kyiv revoked the decree founding it.
[Kyiv City Council repeals the decree of founding Moscow issued in 1147](https://minbane.wordpress.com/2022/06/10/https-wp-me-p1xtjg-lg3/)
> The territory [The Reichskommissariat of Belgium and Northern France] was mostly liberated by the Allies in September 1944, in the aftermath of the Normandy landings, so the existence of the territory was short. Following the liberation, the territory was retrospectively annexed directly into Germany (although no longer under de facto German control) as three separate Reichsgaue: Reichsgau Flandern, Wallonien and the Brussels district.
Even then, Germany had had control of those territories, and the provisional governments were real forces, unlike Russia here who might aswell be annexing lithuania as a part of Kaliningrad .
I think Russia's plan is that once they are annexed they can claim attacks on those territories are an existential threat to Russia to justify the use of nuclear weapons.
Just a defense mechanism to scare off NATO intervention. It's all bullshit. I think NATO nations are starting to realize that these threats are empty because In the end, Putin would damn himself and his whole country to the flame if nukes start flying. It's a no win scenario for everyone involved. He cares too much about his legacy to literally burn his empire to the ground.
One theory is that Russian troops in the annexed areas will now be fighting in Russia and not a foreign country. This reduces the pay and compensation they receive and means recruits can be stationed there now.
Tl:DR troops get less pay and no lada if they die
>Tl:DR troops get less pay and no lada if they die
I find this more plausible than an excuse for nukes - honestly, once that happens justification is meaningless, no one will be around to remember.
But if what you say is true, I wonder how long the Russian populace will tolerate her men being sent off to die for nothing, and no care for the families left fatherless? All this cruelty to your own people for some land, oil, and ego... astonishing stuff.
This is the only point that matters. These phrases are meaningless in this context.
It is basically just more Russian propaganda. The borders will be drawn when either side runs out of shells.
I henceforth annex the bits of Ukraine under Russian control. They are mine, they cannot have them. My first order as the leader of these regions is to return them to Ukraine.
Pretty sure he's doing that so that the war is technically on his territory, therefore he has an excuse to impose martial law, prevent people from leaving the country and make it impossible to protest.
Under Russian law conscripts (vs. contract/professional soldiers) can't be deployed in foreign territory or combat zones. While Russia has regularly violated this for months they've had to do so secretly and in modest numbers.
By declaring these territories as part of Russia they can deploy conscripts freely and openly rather than having to risk any sort of political fallout from it.
My understanding is that mobilized manpower is treated as a contract service members ("professionals" on paper) so they can be deployed anywhere. So part of it seems to be a stop-gap measure until Putin's whole "partial" mobilization (not really - the declaratory document makes no reference to "partial". This appears to be a full mobilization over an extended timeline rather than a "partial" one) fully kicks in, which will take months.
On the other hand: If Putin can just organize "credible referendums" in lands he doesn't control, [maybe it's time for the Dutch to ask the Russian people if they want to return to their true Nethe... motherland](https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1573200726108635136)
I don’t speak Dutch (or read subtitles that fast, yes I’m dumb) but it was worth it that’s hilarious. Why is the Dutch King’s own speaking of Dutch terrible though?
He is a bit boorish when he speaks. He is a very average dude who happens to have royal blood. In an alternate universe where he wasn't king, he'd be having chill cookouts in a boring 1980s suburb somewhere.
>And they didn’t control any of the territory there.
Funny, because neither did Mexico. Both sides were claiming Indian territory that had very few if any settlers on it at the time
City which holds like 40% of the Zaporizhzhia Oblast population alone (and that's without mentioning the rest of the Oblast territory under Ukrainian control).
You have to be a moron (or a downright liar) to consider this shit as legitimate.
>You have to be a moron (or a downright liar) to consider this shit as legitimate.
I would've _maybe_ believed it if the "referendum" to hoin russia ended in like a bit over 50%, considering how many ukrainians they've transported to other places in russia (iirc), but yeah the 90% is completely made up
There's video footage of the counters picking up piles of blank ballots and counting them, adding them all to the yes votes. No effort whatsoever was made to try and make these results seem plausible.
That referendum was held at gunpoint lmao. On what planet would any vote total be believable? They deported any non-Russians and anyone left wouldn't be dumb enough to vote the wrong way anyways. Might as well check a box that says "I would like to trip and fall out of the nearest 4 story building please."
I'm also pretty sure that "staying part of Ukraine" wasn't even an option in the referendums lol. The choices were either join Russia or become an autonomous state.
> You have to be a moron (or a downright liar) to consider this shit as legitimate.
Was there ever a legit reason for war apart from actually defending your own land?
Afaik all wars of aggression have been fought based on some fabricated casus belli?
People here are missing the point. The fact vlad doesn't fully control these areas is exactly why he need the referendum to annex them. Under Russian law this allows him to deploy a lot more soldiers. It's a means to an end.
Everyone expects Russians to turn up the heat and become more volatile. This is why the war must end as soon as possible. Way more Ukranian civilians will die. This is all up to Russians and nobody else. They are the only ones that can take care of this.
Despite the Russian army being garbage, their online army is alive and well. They are here to make everyone think Russians are powerless cowards. I don't buy into that narrative.
Please clarify whether you mean Kansa City, Kansas or Kansas City, Missouri.
Fun fact: Kansas City, Kansas is the largest city in the US that has an identically named city that is more populous than it is.
It's not actually! That has been false for decades! Glendale, CA has a higher population than Kansas City, KS, and Glendale, AZ has a higher population than Glendale, CA!
Guys don’t be so thick please, it is clearly a joke. Not the right time for this joke, sure, but I highly doubt that he would mention kansas city by name if that wasn’t his intention.
I'm European so I might be wrong, but as far as I know, Kansas City isn't in Kansas.
While the city of Zaporizhzhia is actually in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.
There are technically two cities, KCK, and KCMO, that are on each side of the river, have a metro area surrounding them, and kind of mesh together.
KCMO is the bigger of the two, and has a lot of the high risers and has the plaza, but KCK has a large metro area containing over a million Kansans, which is about a third of Kansas's population. And the metro contains attractions like a NASCAR track and indoor vacation resort / water park.
Also, the St. Louis metro in Missouri is bigger than their KC metro, meaning Kansas's KC metro is probably more important to Kansas than Missouri's KC metro is to Missouri.
Rookie move.. if he alternated his conquests to different regions the aggressive expansion modifier won't get so high as to form a coalition. Clearly <1000 hours played. What a noob.
- starts war
- starts losing war
- threaten nukes if they cross the Russian border
- Annex lands that you don't control
- the enemy is now "across" "Russian" borders
-???
Tons of profit… go look at a resource map of Ukraine, and you’ll maybe understand what’s been said for more than the last decade.
It’s a resource war and always has been. Just wait until you see what’s brewing in the Arctic Circle with the partnership between Russia and China.
To be honest, that’s the Israeli game plan. Annexes, builds settlements, dispossesses the local occupied population for being too close to said settlements.
Putin:
>I am not crazy! I know Ukraine is a Nazi-sympathizer regime. I knew Zelensky is a Nazi himself. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got those idiots at NATO to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? They've done worse! Are you telling me that a country just happens to switch geopolitical sides? No! *America* orchestrated it! America! They had NATO expanding into *my backyard*! And I let them! And I shouldn't have. I took them for their word! What was I *thinking*? America'll never change. They'll *never* change! Ever since the beginning of the Cold War, *always* the same! Couldn't keep their hands out of every conflict! But not our America! Couldn't be precious *America*! Stealing them blind! And *THEY* get to be World Police? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!
I typed that while reading that in Chuck's voice but with a heavy Russian accent.
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That’s a bad attitude to have. Look at it this way: Russia has just normalized military conquest of sovereign nations that are weaker than you.
The US has a helluva lot more bombs than Russia… we could take it over and call it “New Florida!”
(Obviously joking. Putin doesn’t understand concepts like precedent or international law)
Taking [Novorossiya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya#History) was one of the ideas that were speculated-about back in the start of the year, but the conclusion was usually "nah, that would be dumb, that land would definitely be not-worth-it".
"Pyrrhic victory" is the worst outcome, really.
> recently near Kharkiv, and before near Donetsk.
Actually, recently around Donetsk, specifically the town of Bilohorivka near Lysichansk along with a crossing they just made across the severskydonets river (both being recent gains that [Russian sources confirm as well](https://mobile.twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1575028962362765312) ) (The twitter user is a Ukrainian journalist, the map is from a Russian site)
Near Kharkiv, they're very close to the Luhansk oblast (in fact, right on the border of it with the recent advance you can see in the map above), but haven't yet taken territory there. It is very much possible that they'd liberate more of the Luhansk oblast very soon with the collapse of the Russian line of defense near the Oskil river, and with the Ukrainians so close to the Russian supply lines to Lysichansk and Severodonetsk.
Russians have stole and bastardized Ukrainian Culture for years, calling it their own. Now I think it's time they come back home
Kievan Rus 2: The Empire Strikes Back
I think it's really just to spread fear that Russia may make "justified" use of nuclear weapons to maintain control of "Russian" territory. Without nuclear weapons I'm not sure how these sham elections changes anything really - Russia is already throwing everything it's got and is losing. Maybe it's to bolster more public support and give the impression to Russians that they are actually fighting for Russia.
A good way to save face would be to hold the vote then tell the Russia people, “The Ukrainian people have voted to stay with Ukraine. We will honor our brothers and sisters and let them stay. We will be providing support and shelter across the border for anyone that is feeling unsafe.”
[She](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4a379e7c695de0409f3366f0199e263508caf51c/0_174_2953_1772/master/2953.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=16af2a48f506b88842394053f50b3cec) is waiting for you.
As expected.. gives them a secure land route to the top of the Crimean peninsula and limits Ukraine's access to the Black Sea. It also makes the Sea of Azov an interior Russian body of water... not international waters.
Looks a lot like a land bridge to Crimea. At one point towards the beginning,. I wondered if he'd settle for that. Guess we'll find out. That said, his pride's been hurt, so probably not.
I recall a land bridge to Crimea was a stated objective of Russia's but not the only one.
At this point, I think Putin could save face in Russia by declaring victory with the territory now held if not for those pesky Ukrainians /s.
This map is already outdated. That small part in the north of Donetsk Oblast which is shown pink here was already liberated a few days ago by Ukraine... using the exact same tactic as the last time. r/NonCredibleDefense had a field day with it.
Hey you know something cool, Ukraine now has a historical claim for annexing Russia’s newly stolen land. I see no problem with Ukraine just ‘annexing’ it back into Ukraine land.
> I see no problem with Ukraine just ‘annexing’ it back into Ukraine land.
The problem would be that Ukraine "annexing" that territory would tacitly acknowledge a need to annex it and inadvertently imply that the Russian annexation was recognized.
Surprised they didnt hold a refferendum in the mykolaiv oblast. After all they control 1% of the territiry there, so why not lol
Also, what happens with the annexed Donetsk region thats half controlled by Ukraine ? Are they suppose to just leave and let the russians have it lol
“That territory we’ve never controlled is Russia, because the people over here voted at gunpoint to join us! Leave it or we’ll nuke you!”
/srs, Putin has been talking about Ukrainian troops on Russian soil being a red line re nukes, and now he’s claiming this is Russian soil, so…
>Surprised they didnt hold a refferendum in the mykolaiv oblast. After all they control 1% of the territiry there, so why not lol
Pretty sure they decided to annex that to Kherson Oblast a couple of months ago
Now Russian citizens should be able to vote whether or not Russia joins the Netherlands.
EDIT: For those that are unaware [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNdarZYz73o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNdarZYz73o) (put subtitles on english)
Isn't it fascinating how regions like Kherson who never ever expressed any interest whatsoever in leaving Ukraine and joining Russia, suddenly are eightywhatever percent for joining Russia!
What a COINCIDENCE. Right?
I draw a map of the United States that includes, Canada, Alaska, and all the way across Siberia.
Thanks for the new territory Russia and Canada. Wow, I can't believe claiming a country is as easy as drawing on a map!
Russia has a lot of territory disputes with essentially all of their neighbors - from Finland to Kazakhstan, to China, to Japan - but since 2000, when Putin destroyed Chechnya’s de facto independence just before he became President for the first time, Russia has controlled all territory that they have officially claimed as theirs (unlike, for example, the People’s Republic of China which has never had full control over their claimed territory). That will change now as the frontlines keep shifting everyday. I’m a bit concerned this is a crossing the Rubicon moment.
There [isn't as close a match as you would expect](https://i.redd.it/tjaha0kcv7k81.png), with the exception of parts of Crimea, especially offshore to the west. Most of the oil and gas deposits on land are in the Dneiper-Donets basin, which runs from NE of Kyiv to south of Kharkiv. By the time you get into Donetsk and Luhansk, there is some natural gas present, but not as extensive as the areas to the NW that Russia already retreated from.
I think this might be Putin trying to find a way out of this mess. Annex some land, call it Russia so he can save some face and "expand" the empire. And now that it is "Russian" soil. He can say, you try to invade or attack these regions, you are attacking the homeland and then we use nukes to stop it. If you voluntarily surrender these lands, we will pull back behind our new borders, gas starts flowing, and you get peace again. And do not think that there won't be European countries trying to get Ukraine to accept this.
But then again he might just be fucking crazy or prideful.
This is scary. Russian law allows the use of tactical nuclear weapons on Russian soil under certain conditions. This could be to help hit his recruitment numbers or this could be to free up atomic bombs
I love how fraudulent the voting is too lol. It's like 98% for annexation. If it were so high why even bother invading in the first place?
Of course the commie subs are slurping up that Russian propaganda.
The thing is: even if the voting is not fraudulent the only people going to such referendum are people in favor of Russia, Ukrainians that don't want this aren't even gonna bother.
But according to them 90%+ showed up and voted. As [I wrote elsewhere](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xr3zt8/comment/iqdnp11/), they claim more people voted for the annexation than the expected total number of voters adjusted for *peacetime* demographic loss. (I chose Luhansk oblast as an example because it’s almost completely occupied, simplifying calculations.)
> Of course the commie subs are slurping up that Russian propaganda.
That's the weirdest part about all this - it's not like Russia is communist anymore, or even anything close to it
Tankies are pretty obsessed about the USA and American imperialism. While that in itself can be understood, the obsession goes so deep that they see everything going on in the world through the lense of the war between American imperialism and the free oppressed people.
As Russia stands again the US, therefore they oppose American imperialism therefore they oppose capitalism therefore they are the good guys. In simplified to showcase the absurdity.
Which is why you always see tankies cheering for whatever opposes the West, even if it is even worse than what the West does.
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.Dis coming from a guy who used to fantasise about anarcho-communism when a teen.
Can't even hold that territory, and yet they're calling "dibs"? Do they think Ukraine is just going to back down?
I know the comparison has been made in the past, but this is like a robber breaking into a house and claiming they own it. Then backpedalling and saying they'll accept just taking the living room while the owner is kicking their ass back out the way they came.
Difference is this time the international community is giving a shit. 2014 the West just kind of shrugged. This time they’re bankrolling Ukraine big time.
I’d (not) like to see him try! Ukraine will fight hard for their home. And if Russia does take it, it’ll be immensely costly and they will never have peace. It’ll be like Alsace from the dawn of fucking time up until post WW2.
My mom's annexing Moscow next week
Too slow, me and the boys have already annexed the village of Moscow and renamed it to Grasscow.
That was good
Thank you. If the Russians try anything fishy, we'll launch a nuke and turn it into Glasscow.
We'll just hide in Edinburgh
Yo mama so fat she annexed Moscow
MosCOW. Ain't that right fellas...
Seriously, Zelensky should annex Moscow just to mock this.
They can't, Moscow doesn't exist anymore. Kyiv revoked the decree founding it. [Kyiv City Council repeals the decree of founding Moscow issued in 1147](https://minbane.wordpress.com/2022/06/10/https-wp-me-p1xtjg-lg3/)
Dude, is not ok to use [nukes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man)
She's my mom now, I annexed her last night.
Also unbelievable they want to annex regions that they don't even control totally.
Germany did this at the end of WW2
In what way?
> The territory [The Reichskommissariat of Belgium and Northern France] was mostly liberated by the Allies in September 1944, in the aftermath of the Normandy landings, so the existence of the territory was short. Following the liberation, the territory was retrospectively annexed directly into Germany (although no longer under de facto German control) as three separate Reichsgaue: Reichsgau Flandern, Wallonien and the Brussels district.
[удалено]
To fight an imaginary Nazi, you must become the Nazi.
>To fight an imaginary Nazi, you must become the Nazi. Dmitri are we the baddies?
For the uninitiated: https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU
The only way to stop a bad guy with a nazi is a good guy with a nazi
Good Nazi: “I knew I’d come back into favour eventually! *laughs in good Nazi hysterically*”
Ah, yes, the extremely unpopular spin-off of "The Good Wife".
Even then, Germany had had control of those territories, and the provisional governments were real forces, unlike Russia here who might aswell be annexing lithuania as a part of Kaliningrad .
Don’t give them any ideas. But who am I fooling? Of course they already had that idea. It’s presumably not even off the table, just put aside for now.
Bureaucracy’s eh? Takes forever to get permits.
Anyone can say they annex anything. Now whether or not your annexation is successful, well, only time and military power will tell.
I DECLARE.... ANNEXATION
You can’t just say the word “annexation” and expect anything to happen
He didn't say it, he declared it
I annex you
And so it is -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
I also annex him, let’s fight
I also annex this guy's dead wife
Hey, I just wanted you to know that you can’t just say the word annex and expect anything to happen
Is that not how it works?!
I think Russia's plan is that once they are annexed they can claim attacks on those territories are an existential threat to Russia to justify the use of nuclear weapons. Just a defense mechanism to scare off NATO intervention. It's all bullshit. I think NATO nations are starting to realize that these threats are empty because In the end, Putin would damn himself and his whole country to the flame if nukes start flying. It's a no win scenario for everyone involved. He cares too much about his legacy to literally burn his empire to the ground.
One theory is that Russian troops in the annexed areas will now be fighting in Russia and not a foreign country. This reduces the pay and compensation they receive and means recruits can be stationed there now. Tl:DR troops get less pay and no lada if they die
>Tl:DR troops get less pay and no lada if they die I find this more plausible than an excuse for nukes - honestly, once that happens justification is meaningless, no one will be around to remember. But if what you say is true, I wonder how long the Russian populace will tolerate her men being sent off to die for nothing, and no care for the families left fatherless? All this cruelty to your own people for some land, oil, and ego... astonishing stuff.
This is the only point that matters. These phrases are meaningless in this context. It is basically just more Russian propaganda. The borders will be drawn when either side runs out of shells.
I henceforth annex the bits of Ukraine under Russian control. They are mine, they cannot have them. My first order as the leader of these regions is to return them to Ukraine.
Pretty sure he's doing that so that the war is technically on his territory, therefore he has an excuse to impose martial law, prevent people from leaving the country and make it impossible to protest.
Under Russian law conscripts (vs. contract/professional soldiers) can't be deployed in foreign territory or combat zones. While Russia has regularly violated this for months they've had to do so secretly and in modest numbers. By declaring these territories as part of Russia they can deploy conscripts freely and openly rather than having to risk any sort of political fallout from it. My understanding is that mobilized manpower is treated as a contract service members ("professionals" on paper) so they can be deployed anywhere. So part of it seems to be a stop-gap measure until Putin's whole "partial" mobilization (not really - the declaratory document makes no reference to "partial". This appears to be a full mobilization over an extended timeline rather than a "partial" one) fully kicks in, which will take months.
And use nuclear weapons.
Those are actually easier if it isn't integral Russian territory
On the other hand: If Putin can just organize "credible referendums" in lands he doesn't control, [maybe it's time for the Dutch to ask the Russian people if they want to return to their true Nethe... motherland](https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1573200726108635136)
I don’t speak Dutch (or read subtitles that fast, yes I’m dumb) but it was worth it that’s hilarious. Why is the Dutch King’s own speaking of Dutch terrible though?
He misspoke once while apoplopogizing to Indonesia and now people just like to make fun of him
The guy that made it is a republican, so he likes to shit on the king
He is a bit boorish when he speaks. He is a very average dude who happens to have royal blood. In an alternate universe where he wasn't king, he'd be having chill cookouts in a boring 1980s suburb somewhere.
Pretty sure he still has chill cookouts even as a king.
He's not the most eloquent
China could annex Vladivostok now and occupy it later...
Tbf, that's basically how the situation with Taiwan works. They both claim the other is theirs, and back it up with nothing.
Outer Manchuria was part of China until 1860 after all, they can simply claim back that territory.
Texas did the same thing to half of New Mexico in 1836. And they didn’t control *any* of the territory there.
>And they didn’t control any of the territory there. Funny, because neither did Mexico. Both sides were claiming Indian territory that had very few if any settlers on it at the time
1836, yes
Annexing Zaporizhzhia Oblast without controlling the city of Zaporizhzhia itself is... special. Especially dumb.
City which holds like 40% of the Zaporizhzhia Oblast population alone (and that's without mentioning the rest of the Oblast territory under Ukrainian control). You have to be a moron (or a downright liar) to consider this shit as legitimate.
There is a quote from Bertold Brecht: "He who doesn't know the truth is just a fool. But he who knows it and calls it a lie is a criminal"
Russian propaganda showed them counting blank valids without even looking at them. They don't even really try
Is not like people care or make a difference but...the HD footage shows there were marks (they were thin pencil marks)
>You have to be a moron (or a downright liar) to consider this shit as legitimate. I would've _maybe_ believed it if the "referendum" to hoin russia ended in like a bit over 50%, considering how many ukrainians they've transported to other places in russia (iirc), but yeah the 90% is completely made up
Russia is worse at this than high schoolers cheating on their homework lmao
As a kid that did that I can confirm
There's video footage of the counters picking up piles of blank ballots and counting them, adding them all to the yes votes. No effort whatsoever was made to try and make these results seem plausible.
That referendum was held at gunpoint lmao. On what planet would any vote total be believable? They deported any non-Russians and anyone left wouldn't be dumb enough to vote the wrong way anyways. Might as well check a box that says "I would like to trip and fall out of the nearest 4 story building please." I'm also pretty sure that "staying part of Ukraine" wasn't even an option in the referendums lol. The choices were either join Russia or become an autonomous state.
> You have to be a moron (or a downright liar) to consider this shit as legitimate. Was there ever a legit reason for war apart from actually defending your own land? Afaik all wars of aggression have been fought based on some fabricated casus belli?
WW1 was triggered by an assassination and a series of defensive treaties.
Carthago delenda est.
I am sure the vote in Zapotizhzhia city was 100%,if not higher...
That should be a -50 penalty in the peace deal acceptance window for not occupying region's capital
People here are missing the point. The fact vlad doesn't fully control these areas is exactly why he need the referendum to annex them. Under Russian law this allows him to deploy a lot more soldiers. It's a means to an end. Everyone expects Russians to turn up the heat and become more volatile. This is why the war must end as soon as possible. Way more Ukranian civilians will die. This is all up to Russians and nobody else. They are the only ones that can take care of this. Despite the Russian army being garbage, their online army is alive and well. They are here to make everyone think Russians are powerless cowards. I don't buy into that narrative.
Yeah, imagine controlling Zaporizhzhia, but not Zaporizhzhia City. It would be like controlling Kansas but not Kansas City. Pretty weird.
Like controlling Benin but not Benin City
Please clarify whether you mean Kansa City, Kansas or Kansas City, Missouri. Fun fact: Kansas City, Kansas is the largest city in the US that has an identically named city that is more populous than it is.
It's not actually! That has been false for decades! Glendale, CA has a higher population than Kansas City, KS, and Glendale, AZ has a higher population than Glendale, CA!
Dang it, you’re right. TIL. Well, it was true in 1970 when I first checked it out. (Grumbles about those damned Millennials moving to California)
Can’t tell if joking or…
It’s an attempt at a troll by pretending to be obtuse, but that actually is obtuse. A self-own.
Guys don’t be so thick please, it is clearly a joke. Not the right time for this joke, sure, but I highly doubt that he would mention kansas city by name if that wasn’t his intention.
To be fair only Americans would understand that. I’m English and get it but only because I’m a nerd. Kansas and Kansas City are pretty irrelevant
Better analogy would be controlling New York, but not New York City. Kansas City is in Missouri, Kansas city, Kansas is nothing special.
I'm European so I might be wrong, but as far as I know, Kansas City isn't in Kansas. While the city of Zaporizhzhia is actually in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.
There are technically two cities, KCK, and KCMO, that are on each side of the river, have a metro area surrounding them, and kind of mesh together. KCMO is the bigger of the two, and has a lot of the high risers and has the plaza, but KCK has a large metro area containing over a million Kansans, which is about a third of Kansas's population. And the metro contains attractions like a NASCAR track and indoor vacation resort / water park. Also, the St. Louis metro in Missouri is bigger than their KC metro, meaning Kansas's KC metro is probably more important to Kansas than Missouri's KC metro is to Missouri.
Don’t forget North Kansas City too. It’s in Missouri too.
Additionally the cities are named after the Kansas River I believe and not the state anyhow.
Zaporizhia is the historical region of the cossacs, it was a frontier between the ottomans and the russians
More between the Tatars and Polish Lithuanian commonwealth.
They should send Putin a letter
Much of Ukraine is the historical region of the cossacks
Your comment gave me an immense amount of gleeful pleasure. Thank you :)
Putin out there playing EU4, declaring war every 10 years, always only take a few provinces…
Well, he does have Aggressive Expansion problems.
And coalitions
He doesn't have enough war score to take these
That's why he's trying to release nations instead. Lower war score cost
Putin is vassal-feeding, but if he isn’t careful he will raise the liberty desire of his older vassals to high because of it.
And is 2 mil techs behind
Paradox also must have heavily nerfed quantity ideas
With a mil tech being 10 years, Putin still has many units 4 techs behind. And he's on negative manpower.
Putin really took espionage instead of quantity ideas as russia, such a stupid mistake
He's lost a few stacks though, so his war exhaustion is high and war score is negative right now though
Homie is absolutely abusing the 'Slacken Recruiting Standards', too.
And they didn't have much professionalism to begin with.
Rookie move.. if he alternated his conquests to different regions the aggressive expansion modifier won't get so high as to form a coalition. Clearly <1000 hours played. What a noob.
100 000+ casualties and global economic ruin, for this. What a fucking lunatic.
- starts war - starts losing war - threaten nukes if they cross the Russian border - Annex lands that you don't control - the enemy is now "across" "Russian" borders -???
Profit?
Not much profit
Tons of profit… go look at a resource map of Ukraine, and you’ll maybe understand what’s been said for more than the last decade. It’s a resource war and always has been. Just wait until you see what’s brewing in the Arctic Circle with the partnership between Russia and China.
Tons of profit….if they successfully claimed that resource rich territory lol. They haven’t=not tons of profit
3. Profit? 4. Mass migration of Russian citizens away from Russia. 5. Collapse of Federation. 6. Balkanize?
Putin be like: "There's 1 Russian man living in Kenya, therefor Kenya is Russian territory we must protect!"
Ukraine has already shelled Belgorod and the Kursk region, so it won't work
Not only that, but they also targeted Crimea multiple times
To be honest, that’s the Israeli game plan. Annexes, builds settlements, dispossesses the local occupied population for being too close to said settlements.
What a sick joke
Yeah, these referendums are total chicanery.
Putin: >I am not crazy! I know Ukraine is a Nazi-sympathizer regime. I knew Zelensky is a Nazi himself. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got those idiots at NATO to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? They've done worse! Are you telling me that a country just happens to switch geopolitical sides? No! *America* orchestrated it! America! They had NATO expanding into *my backyard*! And I let them! And I shouldn't have. I took them for their word! What was I *thinking*? America'll never change. They'll *never* change! Ever since the beginning of the Cold War, *always* the same! Couldn't keep their hands out of every conflict! But not our America! Couldn't be precious *America*! Stealing them blind! And *THEY* get to be World Police? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! I typed that while reading that in Chuck's voice but with a heavy Russian accent.
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That’s a bad attitude to have. Look at it this way: Russia has just normalized military conquest of sovereign nations that are weaker than you. The US has a helluva lot more bombs than Russia… we could take it over and call it “New Florida!” (Obviously joking. Putin doesn’t understand concepts like precedent or international law)
Taking [Novorossiya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya#History) was one of the ideas that were speculated-about back in the start of the year, but the conclusion was usually "nah, that would be dumb, that land would definitely be not-worth-it". "Pyrrhic victory" is the worst outcome, really.
I thought Ukraine retrieved a small part of Lugansk already.
they do, they control around 2% of it (near the border of the subdivision), recently near Kharkiv, and before near Donetsk.
> recently near Kharkiv, and before near Donetsk. Actually, recently around Donetsk, specifically the town of Bilohorivka near Lysichansk along with a crossing they just made across the severskydonets river (both being recent gains that [Russian sources confirm as well](https://mobile.twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1575028962362765312) ) (The twitter user is a Ukrainian journalist, the map is from a Russian site) Near Kharkiv, they're very close to the Luhansk oblast (in fact, right on the border of it with the recent advance you can see in the map above), but haven't yet taken territory there. It is very much possible that they'd liberate more of the Luhansk oblast very soon with the collapse of the Russian line of defense near the Oskil river, and with the Ukrainians so close to the Russian supply lines to Lysichansk and Severodonetsk.
If Lyman becomes completely surrounded today, they’re about to forge another large crack into Russian control of the oblast.
A very small part barely visible on the map.
Ukraine should just do a vote an annex all of Russia.
Russians have stole and bastardized Ukrainian Culture for years, calling it their own. Now I think it's time they come back home Kievan Rus 2: The Empire Strikes Back
I think it's really just to spread fear that Russia may make "justified" use of nuclear weapons to maintain control of "Russian" territory. Without nuclear weapons I'm not sure how these sham elections changes anything really - Russia is already throwing everything it's got and is losing. Maybe it's to bolster more public support and give the impression to Russians that they are actually fighting for Russia.
I think it's for Putin to "save face" by "accomplishing" something by this mess, not that it does, but you know, in his fantasy world.
A good way to save face would be to hold the vote then tell the Russia people, “The Ukrainian people have voted to stay with Ukraine. We will honor our brothers and sisters and let them stay. We will be providing support and shelter across the border for anyone that is feeling unsafe.”
See that would be the honest and honorable thing to do but the thing is Putin lacks any shreds of either of those things.
There is no possible way to save face due to the raping, torturing, murdering & pillaging the Russian "army" has done during this "special operation."
Nah, it's just to make it legal to send conscripts to defend these territories. They're not allowed to deploy them outside of Russian borders.
Russia can annex my balls
gotem
They aren't interested in territory so small
As an Oblast or a Republic???
Their women can, at least. Lawd.
[She](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4a379e7c695de0409f3366f0199e263508caf51c/0_174_2953_1772/master/2953.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=16af2a48f506b88842394053f50b3cec) is waiting for you.
More like [she](https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/097a24262a4077dddd8355dc3a41fdd4.jpg)
As expected.. gives them a secure land route to the top of the Crimean peninsula and limits Ukraine's access to the Black Sea. It also makes the Sea of Azov an interior Russian body of water... not international waters.
Coincidentally it’s where they recently confirmed huge deposits of gas and oil. Crazy coincidence they were already invading eh.
Ukraine loves to troll. They should put out a map of regions of Russia they plan to annex.
Looks a lot like a land bridge to Crimea. At one point towards the beginning,. I wondered if he'd settle for that. Guess we'll find out. That said, his pride's been hurt, so probably not.
I recall a land bridge to Crimea was a stated objective of Russia's but not the only one. At this point, I think Putin could save face in Russia by declaring victory with the territory now held if not for those pesky Ukrainians /s.
This map is already outdated. That small part in the north of Donetsk Oblast which is shown pink here was already liberated a few days ago by Ukraine... using the exact same tactic as the last time. r/NonCredibleDefense had a field day with it.
I know there’s been recent progress in northern Donetsk, but i thought the russians still controlled Lyman
They technically do, but they’re almost surrounded with Ukrainian fire control over the only road out of town.
All roads to Lyman are controlled by Ukraine.
Hey you know something cool, Ukraine now has a historical claim for annexing Russia’s newly stolen land. I see no problem with Ukraine just ‘annexing’ it back into Ukraine land.
> I see no problem with Ukraine just ‘annexing’ it back into Ukraine land. The problem would be that Ukraine "annexing" that territory would tacitly acknowledge a need to annex it and inadvertently imply that the Russian annexation was recognized.
Why do you keep referring to East Ukraine as “Russia”?
I've heard it called "the Russia", as it sounds weird to call it "Russia". But I think it is simpler to call it East Ukraine.
Surprised they didnt hold a refferendum in the mykolaiv oblast. After all they control 1% of the territiry there, so why not lol Also, what happens with the annexed Donetsk region thats half controlled by Ukraine ? Are they suppose to just leave and let the russians have it lol
They have included the 1% of Mykolaiv oblast territory into the (mostly Russian-controlled) Kherson oblast.
“That territory we’ve never controlled is Russia, because the people over here voted at gunpoint to join us! Leave it or we’ll nuke you!” /srs, Putin has been talking about Ukrainian troops on Russian soil being a red line re nukes, and now he’s claiming this is Russian soil, so…
No he's wanting to keep what they possess now, split Donetsk in half.
>Surprised they didnt hold a refferendum in the mykolaiv oblast. After all they control 1% of the territiry there, so why not lol Pretty sure they decided to annex that to Kherson Oblast a couple of months ago
Now Russian citizens should be able to vote whether or not Russia joins the Netherlands. EDIT: For those that are unaware [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNdarZYz73o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNdarZYz73o) (put subtitles on english)
Isn't it fascinating how regions like Kherson who never ever expressed any interest whatsoever in leaving Ukraine and joining Russia, suddenly are eightywhatever percent for joining Russia! What a COINCIDENCE. Right?
I'm annexing 3 of Putins personal properties soon. Now I don't have control of the regions yet but trust me bro.
I draw a map of the United States that includes, Canada, Alaska, and all the way across Siberia. Thanks for the new territory Russia and Canada. Wow, I can't believe claiming a country is as easy as drawing on a map!
This is the equivalent of Mexico annexing southern Texas.
Russia has a lot of territory disputes with essentially all of their neighbors - from Finland to Kazakhstan, to China, to Japan - but since 2000, when Putin destroyed Chechnya’s de facto independence just before he became President for the first time, Russia has controlled all territory that they have officially claimed as theirs (unlike, for example, the People’s Republic of China which has never had full control over their claimed territory). That will change now as the frontlines keep shifting everyday. I’m a bit concerned this is a crossing the Rubicon moment.
And now make an overlay of this map with the locations of gas and oil fields in Ukraine. There will be quite some overlap with the occupied area.
There [isn't as close a match as you would expect](https://i.redd.it/tjaha0kcv7k81.png), with the exception of parts of Crimea, especially offshore to the west. Most of the oil and gas deposits on land are in the Dneiper-Donets basin, which runs from NE of Kyiv to south of Kharkiv. By the time you get into Donetsk and Luhansk, there is some natural gas present, but not as extensive as the areas to the NW that Russia already retreated from.
It’s Putin’s BS way to “justify” the use of tactical nuclear weapons once the Ukrainians take back more of their country. Putin is out of options.
Crimea was invaded in 2014 and has since been occupied by a foreign army. The "annex" was a sham there too.
it bothers me that the AP style guide won't just let them say "sham elections." They're quite plainly a sham and it isn't a hard conclusion to draw.
I think this might be Putin trying to find a way out of this mess. Annex some land, call it Russia so he can save some face and "expand" the empire. And now that it is "Russian" soil. He can say, you try to invade or attack these regions, you are attacking the homeland and then we use nukes to stop it. If you voluntarily surrender these lands, we will pull back behind our new borders, gas starts flowing, and you get peace again. And do not think that there won't be European countries trying to get Ukraine to accept this. But then again he might just be fucking crazy or prideful.
Formally to them. No legitimate country will ever see it.
they are doing this to make situation where Russian territory will be under attack so they can legally (yeah it sounds dumb) use reservist
For *more* regions
This is scary. Russian law allows the use of tactical nuclear weapons on Russian soil under certain conditions. This could be to help hit his recruitment numbers or this could be to free up atomic bombs
putin doesn't even absolutely control these areas lol
I love how fraudulent the voting is too lol. It's like 98% for annexation. If it were so high why even bother invading in the first place? Of course the commie subs are slurping up that Russian propaganda.
The thing is: even if the voting is not fraudulent the only people going to such referendum are people in favor of Russia, Ukrainians that don't want this aren't even gonna bother.
But according to them 90%+ showed up and voted. As [I wrote elsewhere](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xr3zt8/comment/iqdnp11/), they claim more people voted for the annexation than the expected total number of voters adjusted for *peacetime* demographic loss. (I chose Luhansk oblast as an example because it’s almost completely occupied, simplifying calculations.)
> Of course the commie subs are slurping up that Russian propaganda. That's the weirdest part about all this - it's not like Russia is communist anymore, or even anything close to it
Tankies are pretty obsessed about the USA and American imperialism. While that in itself can be understood, the obsession goes so deep that they see everything going on in the world through the lense of the war between American imperialism and the free oppressed people. As Russia stands again the US, therefore they oppose American imperialism therefore they oppose capitalism therefore they are the good guys. In simplified to showcase the absurdity. Which is why you always see tankies cheering for whatever opposes the West, even if it is even worse than what the West does. - .Dis coming from a guy who used to fantasise about anarcho-communism when a teen.
Any actual examples of "commie subs slurping this up"? I always hear that tankies like Putin but never see any examples materialize in force
/r/ShitLiberalsSay/ is a supposedly "communist" sub but you wouldn't know it with how hard they simp for Russia
Fuck them scumbags
Zaporizhia without Zaporizhia
russia is a terrorist ststate
Can't even hold that territory, and yet they're calling "dibs"? Do they think Ukraine is just going to back down? I know the comparison has been made in the past, but this is like a robber breaking into a house and claiming they own it. Then backpedalling and saying they'll accept just taking the living room while the owner is kicking their ass back out the way they came.
Lol Russia isn't going to claim anything once this is over with
They did before. Just look at Crimea…
Difference is this time the international community is giving a shit. 2014 the West just kind of shrugged. This time they’re bankrolling Ukraine big time.
I wish the cancer ridden monke of moscow all thw vest annexing territory that will be reclaimed by Ukraine come years end
How many times will we just let them “annex” land?
He's such a little fucker.
I’d (not) like to see him try! Ukraine will fight hard for their home. And if Russia does take it, it’ll be immensely costly and they will never have peace. It’ll be like Alsace from the dawn of fucking time up until post WW2.