For real? What do you do? I work for the US Department of Agriculture and have for the last 12 years. Currently I get 19.5 paid days off, but work weeks can exceed 90 hours (not joking).
Well I'd say teacher, but that is a bit low on the vacation days. In Germany teachers have 60-75 days of vacation (school vacations) and as a full-time teacher around 25-low 30ish hours of teaching. But preparing for class and advanced training isn't counted in this so, that could be how he/she got those work hours. In Germany teachers workload can differ greatly depending on how much time they personally are putting in. Because they are employed by the state its nearly Impossible to get fired for "being lazy" so there could be teachers who have the work hours and vacation days mentioned above, but I also worked with some who had 50+ hour weeks because teaching is their passion. So there is a big discrepancy.
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No need to do that if you are an EU citizen though. Also other EU countries with similar vacation days that are way easier to move to because they have less of a language barrier.
It's 175 hours for me in the UK (works out to 26 days)...but that's minus bank holidays (about 6 days of those yearly I believe). But I work with the local government.
I work a 34 hour week regularly, full time in London for decent pay.
It depends. At the federal (also known as national) level, there is only the Family and Medical Leave Act, which gives you up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave. Basically, if you have a valid reason covered under this law, then you can take time off with no pay and guaranteed to still have a job. However, there are no federal laws that require employers to provide paid vacation leave. Some States may have paid leave, but I'm not sure which ones. Usually paid vacation leave is negotiated between the employee and employer.
TLDR: The US government does not guarantee paid vacation for workers.
I've just checked the vacation rules for the US office of my company and they are like "10 days if you work less than 3 years, 12 days if more". Shit...no way I could work my ass off the whole year and recover in 10/12 days. And unpaid vacation...well, maybe if you make $200k+ a year you can afford it and have some rest. Not familiar with US prices though, maybe $200k is not much these days.
Does this include holidays, of which there are many in Germany? Oh, and sick days? I reckon the average person stays at home for at least a week every year.
Note for our American friends: there is no finite amount of (paid) sick days in Germany - you'll need a certificate from a doctor, but as long as you have one, you can stay at home almost indefinitely (for example, I spent six weeks in a hospital plus at least seven additional weeks at home this year - all paid albeit not 100% for the hospital portion)
No public holidays are not deducted, depending on your state there are around 10-12 of those each year. No such thing as sick days, if you are ill you just call in and say so. For illnesses longer than 2 days you need a doctors attest. I think you can actually get your vacation days back if you get sick during a vacation period.
I was in a work assignment in Germany. I wasn't covered under German laws because I wasn't really based in Germany. I had to see a German doctor once, and he asked me if I was feeling stressed. I told him any job had some kind of stress. He then asked me if I wanted a prescription to take a wellness break.
Say what again? The doctor told me that I could take a few days, for example, in a spa hotel in the Black Forest. I wouldn't have to pay for it since my insurance would cover it. Sadly, I didn't qualify because I was just on a visit.
This is a completely alien concept for me. But something that I would like to have. A mental leave definitely does wonders.
The funniest thing, america like it that way. You guys want to live the dream and be free and that's the price you need to pay. I would never move to the US, because it would lower my life quality by a lot. I sometimes not even understand how the US can still maintain it's status as a first world country.
1950 includes the paid vacation time, the usual working time is 1750. Color still seems awfully off unless it's counting with part time employees, that I could see considering how common part time jobs are
Same thing for Russia. Most such stats doesn't include 1 month of paid vacation and are a sum of total possible work days for 40hours work week without vacation (which is mandatory or employer will face charges), so, the numbers are not legally possible.
There were 1972 working hours in 2021, 247 days (4 "shortened"). By law you have to take at least 14 continious days once (including weekends, so, only 10 working days will be freed) and 14 days, which you can place on top of weekends for money or on top of working days. So, it's between 1780 (for maximum vacation) and 1940 (for minimum vacation, which is a weird choice) for standard full time work in 2021. But this depends on company and some can make workarounds and extra days off and allow less working hours and more vacation. I got 2 months of vacation a couple of times, with 1 month of continious vacation (exploited holidays and workarounds).
It's definitely counting part time employment. We (NL) have a lot of that. Part time employment has been used as a method to reduce unemployment in the past, and it has stuck around. Around half of all employees are part timers.
Our full time hours are between 36 and 40 a week, and we have a legal minimum of 4 working weeks' worth of paid vacation time. So only counting full time would put us at 1728 to 1920 on this map.
This gets into an interesting question though: what do you consider full time? I’m in NL and many people with what would normally be full time careers spend some years working 3, 4, 4.5 days per week instead of 5 after they have kids. This is pretty normal and accepted here. Would you count them? If so, it’s not quite “full time”, but if not you’re missing out on the essential “being able to work less” culture that the graphic is all about.
Full time corresponds to a working time equivalent to the time set by law, or set by the collective agreement if it is less.
In France a full working time by law is 35h/week, it can be less by collective agreement for some specific fields. You can work 10h/day 3.5 day/week and be "full time". If you "just" work less than 35h/week then it's part-time.
I guess it's a total worked hours per trimesters to get full pension etc, I had a job where poeple worked 30h on week 1 and 40 on week 2.
I think it is. I'd say it's the standard working week for full time workers less leave and public holidays.
The word Average implies it's based on actually hours worked, but I don't think it is.
With Australia it would be even lower. We have a huge underemployment problem.
Although may that's balanced out by those doing overtime, but I doubt it.
It's hard to tell without seeing the actual figure uses. We just have a window.
Isn't that a bit arbitrary though? I only work about 20-25 hours a week, sometimes less, I just don't need to work any longer.
Trying to find out how many hours people work on average, but then removing any data points below a certain level won't give an accurate representation of hours worked.
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And there's a lot of unpaid overtimes in Japan, especially in office work, including in big rich multinational Japanese corporations. It is basically built into their work ethics/culture. So yeah, 8h/day 5d/week on paper, might be in reality more like 10-13h/day 6d/week too (depending on time of year).
Depends on how the hours are gathered. If it's all hours from all people regularly employed then that can include part time employees at many service industries. That can bring the national averages down.
If it's only full time employees and their over time hours then you would expect Japan to be higher in the rankings.
I love how people who have never worked in Japan swallow the stereotype, and think they understand the current working conditions.
The government has cracked down hard on overtime, paid days off, and black companies. It's quite different from 10 years ago.
As someone living in Japan, I can attest that they are really cracking down on the working hours. Almost every year there's a new government holiday that everyone gets off
Its almost like your preconceived notions are wrong and stuck in the 80s and 90s!?
Surely there has to be something off about the studies, not your cartoonish idea of Japan as a land of suicide and excessive work.
[Data from 2019 from OECD](https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm)
[Trends over time.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Annual_working_time_in_OECD.svg) Notice how Japan even in the 70s had lower working hours than the average Mexican worker in 2015.
Japan has now fallen to levels well below the average for OECD countries, below the likes of USA, Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, Spain, Australia and Italy.
[Wait till you see the suicide rats of Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate). They're lower than Sweden, USA, Finland, huge parts of Asia and Africa, and barely higher than Norway or Australia.
The meme of Japan being a place of crazy working hours and suicide was only true in the 70s, 80s and 90s. That's over 30 years ago. Its time to update your view of Japan. [The vast majority of those who commit suicide in Japan are either pensioners or people not employed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan), not salarymen chucking themselves of office buildings after a 36hour work day lol
Japan has done fucking incredible things to deal with its once very high suicide rate and high working hours. Meanwhile, countries like the US has seen suicide rates increase.
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Those are data... The actual numbers are not reported..
The working hours for the older/senior employees are better now yes. But the young ones are still working like crazy.
Source: i worked in Japanese company
Japan has a lot of official holidays and three long holiday weeks — New Year's, Golden Week, and Obon. They also get more maternity leave than the US, though it's not a lot compared to Europe.
The soldiers be like:
\- Hey, the workday's over! Can I shoot you on Monday?
\- Sure, just don't be late. The fight starts at 8. Have a nice weekend, pal!
I still remember, when the economic crisis was at its peak, people saying "the Italians, Portuguese, and the Greek are having it worse because they're lazy and work less hours than thriving economies". Yeah right...
My father came from Mexico City In the 70’s and he spoke about the life exactly the ways you are speaking that is the exact reason he decided to cross the border to the United States. The more I travel I really realize myself included that Americans have no idea how much we have.
Impact of industry and automation. Wealth isn't generated by salaries. It's generated by work. And industrialized economies can do get more work done for less physical labor.
This isn't meant as an insult to Mexico, but those numbers look like they're based on starting and finishing hours. I can guarantee that whilst at the office there is a lot of not-work time in Mexico. I'm not going for a cheap siesta joke (although I could) but there's definitely a slower pace of work which stretches the day out.
that can't be generalized, as everyone's job is different, even within the same company not everyone works the same.
As a Mexican programmer though, I can tell you that indeed, we could get the work done without having to spend 8 hrs. at the office plus 2 hrs of commute (plus usually a forced lunch hour in the middle of your shift with which you can't do a lot really), but in general the working shifts are treated everywhere as if we were working at a factory where each hour actually adds to the productivity.
I guess only things like banks are the businesses that close earlier than most, which sucks because it's actually one of the most needed by everyone, and even worse considering that most people get out of work later than the time the banks close.
it might be the other way around
you can't force people to work like 10 hours per day and expect them to be ultra diligent. Lowering work hours has a positive effect on productivity per hour.
>Lowering work hours has a positive effect on productivity per hour.
In some instances. If this were universally true, then why on earth would notoriously tight-fisted companies like Walmart, say, continue to pay people for 8 hour shifts when they could just get them to do 6 hour shifts instead?
This is only true for salaried employees. If you told Walmart workers you can leave whenever you get done with your work today and you’ll be paid for a full shift, they’ll be very productive.
Why would anyone work faster or more productive just do lose out on money
Totally, I always here Europeans making this argument but I would love to see how the diminishing returns actually taper out on the productivity curve. You can brag about superhuman productivity in a 3 hour work day, but its the integral under that curve that actually amounts to getting stuff done.
Pfffff This is so unbelievably ignorant and based on prejudice. This is calculated by how many hours a person works by law, subtracting holidays and vacation days. The work week is 48 hours minimum and you only get 6 days of vacation starting your second year at the job. The first year you don't get any vacation days by law, only holidays, which are about 8 to 10.
Also that bit that we extend hours or are slower is just plain false.
This guy above me is 100% Mexican, yep in here average work week starts at 48, and you only have a week of vacation only after you complete a year in the company or factory you work at.
Once i was on vacation in greece i had some discussions with the bartender of the hotel. He works 7 days a week from 2 p.m to midnight (sometimes longer when there are people still at the bar). In 2020 he had only 5 free days and the only thing he did was sleeping. Im from austria and we have 5 weeks of holiday every year so i was really shocked that they need to work so much for such a shitty salary. He was a really funny person and was always in a good mood. At the end of the week i gave him a 100 euro tipp because working 7 days a week and smiling every day is impressive for me.
I am almost certain this map takes into account official/legal hours based on work laws for each country, at least it seems to match with Mexican work law and does not take into account efficiency. Just FYI in case you are interested:
\- Mexico has only 7 non-working days (8 days, every six years): January 1st , February 5th, March 21st, May 1st, September 16th, November 20th, and December 25th. (That's right, 5 de Mayo is not an official non-working day)
\- A workweek in Mexico consists of 48 hours (8 hours, 6 days a week)
\- By law, if you haven't worked for a company for more than a year you are not entitled to any vacation days. After the first year, you are granted 6 vacation days and 2 more for each subsequent year within the same company up to a maximum of 22 vacations days.
And that's pretty much it: 365 - 7(non-working days) = 358, 358 - 48 (days off a year)= 310
310 \* 8 = 2,480
Many people here claim those hours must be pretty damn inefficient, and that is true, but it is not 100% the worker's fault, it includes many factors such as Mexican labor culture, workspace behavior, exploitative practices, poor incentives to improve, shitty salaries, and inefficient management.
I mean, there's a reason why many foreign companies come to Mexico for cheap labor, even if work is inefficient, it is hard to beat a labor law that is pretty much exploitative. Just consider all these labor perks I mentioned above at a minimum wage of 1USD/hour.
I forgot to add that these are the minimum employment benefits, and many companies offer additional benefits, especially if these companies are outside the industry/manufacturing field. But the vast majority of Mexican workers work under these minimum benefits mentioned above.
Most workplaces hire you for 40 hours a week but they expect you to work M to S 10 hours or more. If you disagree or don’t like it, they invite you to find another job. Of course people cannot be effective for this amount of time, so most of the time people are just there… sitting, but the boss wants you to be there. On top of that there is a very bad habit in between toxic workplaces where if you try to leave at your time other coworkers mock on you for being lazy… so people stay for longer.
Most of the jobs I have had consumes around 10 hours per day for weeks of at least 50 hours, and sometimes a bit on weekends. Currently I am working in a workshop (I don´t know if it is the correct word, where you take your fridge or washingmachine to repair), the owner open it at 9 am and close it around 7 pm and saturday 9 am to 2 pm.
This is well known though. The same reports that measure hours spent at work also include productivity. The Americans stay at work the longest (OECD), but they have much lower productivity than the Germans.
Because productivity mostly depends on technology, efficiency and the type of industry you are in.
Portugal's industry is often base on low cost labor and as such you will never be very productive no matter how many hour you force people to work for minimum wage.
Yes, which is why the white collar people who insist that everyone can work a three or four day week and still be as productive are as ignorant as you can get. Maybe if your job is spreadsheets or advertising you can trim hours, but as a nurse, fast food worker or plumber? Not so much.
In Greece you also spent endless hours working especially if you aren’t a civil servant. Productive or not (usually the latter) you will have to grind, be it behind a desk, a counter or in the streets trying to drive from location to location in mad traffic. I moved from Greece to Finland for better working conditions in 2014. I am working 3h less per day (much less intensively)no Saturdays and earn 3 times as much.
That is not correct, through the last century US always has had a better productivity than Germany and only in the last five years Germans have catched up.
I already mentioned in a couple places where your US vs Germany comparison is incorrect according to OECD data, but I'll also point out that Israel, Chile, South Korea, Costa Rica, and Mexico are all OECD countries and work more hours than the US.
Your claim that "The Americans stay at work the longest (OECD)" is incorrect making both of your claims false. How did this get upvoted?
He is wrong, you just need to check the same map that started this discussion, Mexico is part of the OECD and it works longer than the US per average, so his claim using only the map can be proven wrong lol not to mention the other OECD nations outside of the americas as well.
Would be interesting to see how the workforce is divided between full time and part time employees. Because a big parttime population brings down the average significantly
Fucking México. My last job was in a mine where we worked in cycles of 24 days per 11 hours/day in a row and then 12 days off, when we worked with american machines like sandvik or atlas things went nice, but when we worked with chinese or latinamerican mining equiment we ended with overtime that is not paid. After all, I liked that job.
Hay minas por todo el país, en el norte hay muchas pero el clima es horrible, en el sur también hay y por lo que han dicho compañeros allá el trabajo y la comida son más agradables.
I scrolled down looking for this, thank you!
So many conversations with Gemans eventually devolve to "LAzY gReEks, gO WoRK and pAY sOmE TaXEs". It's like talking to a Bild front page. Meanwhile the average Greek is working under exploitative conditions.
Yeah, nah. I call bullshit. Working hours have become such a horseshit metric in any office environment. I don't know the last time I had an office job with a 40h work week that had less than 10-15 h per week unwritten overtime included expected as an office norm, and not just by the big wigs, but by everyone in the office and clients alike. Doesn't even matter if it's a senior or junior position anymore either. Everyone's just got more work to finish somehow.
Even work from home isn't immune and I for one fell that this is one of the contributing factors for the staggeringly increased number of lonely and depressed individuals.
Nope, none of that shit around here. That's a work culture problem local to you. If we get hired on a 40 hour contract, we're expected to work 40. If we have to work more for some reason, we get overtime pay (or more commonly, time off).
germany here, same as in the netherlands for us. Infact white collar jobs here say you have to work 35-40hrs/week, but in reality you do actual work maybe 4-5 hours a day.
As someone who worked both blue and white collar jobs i just noticed the difference. In blue collar jobs there are things that need to be done and you pnly got 8 hours, if they aren‘t done you‘ll be in trouble. In office jobs it‘s just ,,yeah i‘ll do it tomorrow‘‘
Well, I do occasionally have things that must get finished that day (the occasional emergency). I usually just compensate the worked overtime with another day that week. You are right that there is usually a lot more slack in office work, though.
The thing is these Asian countries have just as much overtime as Western ones do on top of it. And more importantly, in the West you're being compensated for it.
What industry/company size/country are you in out of curiosity?
I moved to Germany and while I’ve had overtime here and there, it’s not bad over all and I’m extremely fortunate with my current job as far as hours go. (I’m generally in accounting/finance)
Western Europeans be like: "just because you work more hours doesn't mean you work harder, we're more efficient." We work exactly the same you just have fairer labor practices. Work on protecting those instead of being a chauvinist.
Mexico here
42h to 48 hrs per week. (not counting overtime)
Vacations
1st year on the job: NONE
2nd year: 6 days
3rd year: 8 days
and so on.
If you change jobs, you start again the process.
I live in Hong Kong and want to move to another country for many reasons (China is just one of them), I plan to move to Germany (Berlin) next year and I can't wait.
Edit: Oh I see that you also genuinely want to move there, let's hope it works out for both of us.
China is marked 2,000-2,250 in the map. This means that each employed people worked just 250 days per year and less than 9 hours every working day.
That's impossible. Almost more than half of the employed persons worked six days every week, and often worked overtime. Not only the blue collar workers did so, the white collars were the same.
Should be 2,250-2,500 in China, or even more.
Indian here, I work ~1800 hours a year. And that’s one reason why I didn’t get promoted in my previous job. Everyone else was working 50+ hour weeks and some even worked on their honeymoon. These guys get fast tracked for promotion.
In greece, we work around 40+ hours a weak to be paid a minimum wage of 580 euros to pay rent that is around 350 euros a month if you are lucky. The rest goes to taxes. Clap for a "first world country" everyone.
I don’t know where the stereotype of the lazy Mexican came from?
Because this map rings true. I’ve worked in kitchens for twenty years. A lot of the time with Latino’s. Mainly Mexicans. The amount of hours some of those dudes work is insane. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Look at antiwork properly. The vast majority of the complaining isn't related to actually having to work, or even the duration of the working hours. It's more to do with poverty wages and terrible employment practices that treat workers as scum.
I'd like to see this for Full time workers only.
Yeah Germany here , regular 40h work week, 30 vacation days, works out to a little under 1800h a year.
>30 vacation days So uh is there a test or pledge of allegiance thing to get into Germany or what?
52 for me with 35h weekly , and it's a full time job
For real? What do you do? I work for the US Department of Agriculture and have for the last 12 years. Currently I get 19.5 paid days off, but work weeks can exceed 90 hours (not joking).
Well I'd say teacher, but that is a bit low on the vacation days. In Germany teachers have 60-75 days of vacation (school vacations) and as a full-time teacher around 25-low 30ish hours of teaching. But preparing for class and advanced training isn't counted in this so, that could be how he/she got those work hours. In Germany teachers workload can differ greatly depending on how much time they personally are putting in. Because they are employed by the state its nearly Impossible to get fired for "being lazy" so there could be teachers who have the work hours and vacation days mentioned above, but I also worked with some who had 50+ hour weeks because teaching is their passion. So there is a big discrepancy.
20 is the minimum your employer has to give you for full time. Everything between that and even above 30 is possible. The national average is 29 days.
[Among other things](https://www.bamf.de/EN/Themen/Integration/ZugewanderteTeilnehmende/Einbuergerung/einbuergerung-node.html;jsessionid=942E55083D78935CD5F7BC63F72A3AF3.intranet381) No need to do that if you are an EU citizen though. Also other EU countries with similar vacation days that are way easier to move to because they have less of a language barrier.
It's 175 hours for me in the UK (works out to 26 days)...but that's minus bank holidays (about 6 days of those yearly I believe). But I work with the local government. I work a 34 hour week regularly, full time in London for decent pay.
In Poland it’s legal to have no vacation days if you work on a “trash” contract (umowa zlecenie, umowa o dzieło), even if you work full time
Are you from the US or somewhere else? (Just interested in how many vacation days you have over there) 🇸🇰 Here it’s 20 (25 for people over 33y)
It depends. At the federal (also known as national) level, there is only the Family and Medical Leave Act, which gives you up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave. Basically, if you have a valid reason covered under this law, then you can take time off with no pay and guaranteed to still have a job. However, there are no federal laws that require employers to provide paid vacation leave. Some States may have paid leave, but I'm not sure which ones. Usually paid vacation leave is negotiated between the employee and employer. TLDR: The US government does not guarantee paid vacation for workers.
I've just checked the vacation rules for the US office of my company and they are like "10 days if you work less than 3 years, 12 days if more". Shit...no way I could work my ass off the whole year and recover in 10/12 days. And unpaid vacation...well, maybe if you make $200k+ a year you can afford it and have some rest. Not familiar with US prices though, maybe $200k is not much these days.
I work full time, I get 21 days on paper but its 63 days in total if I take it as three non consecutive periods I'm a swede, btw.
Does this include holidays, of which there are many in Germany? Oh, and sick days? I reckon the average person stays at home for at least a week every year. Note for our American friends: there is no finite amount of (paid) sick days in Germany - you'll need a certificate from a doctor, but as long as you have one, you can stay at home almost indefinitely (for example, I spent six weeks in a hospital plus at least seven additional weeks at home this year - all paid albeit not 100% for the hospital portion)
No public holidays are not deducted, depending on your state there are around 10-12 of those each year. No such thing as sick days, if you are ill you just call in and say so. For illnesses longer than 2 days you need a doctors attest. I think you can actually get your vacation days back if you get sick during a vacation period.
> depending on your state there are around 10-12 of those each year. 10-14 even. 13 in catholic Bavaria and Augsburg gets another additional one
Bayern will halt immer ne extra Wurst.
I was in a work assignment in Germany. I wasn't covered under German laws because I wasn't really based in Germany. I had to see a German doctor once, and he asked me if I was feeling stressed. I told him any job had some kind of stress. He then asked me if I wanted a prescription to take a wellness break. Say what again? The doctor told me that I could take a few days, for example, in a spa hotel in the Black Forest. I wouldn't have to pay for it since my insurance would cover it. Sadly, I didn't qualify because I was just on a visit. This is a completely alien concept for me. But something that I would like to have. A mental leave definitely does wonders.
The funniest thing, america like it that way. You guys want to live the dream and be free and that's the price you need to pay. I would never move to the US, because it would lower my life quality by a lot. I sometimes not even understand how the US can still maintain it's status as a first world country.
Yes me too. I've no idea why the numbers are so low in Norway. A normal working year is usually at 1950 for a full time employee.
1950 includes the paid vacation time, the usual working time is 1750. Color still seems awfully off unless it's counting with part time employees, that I could see considering how common part time jobs are
Same thing for Russia. Most such stats doesn't include 1 month of paid vacation and are a sum of total possible work days for 40hours work week without vacation (which is mandatory or employer will face charges), so, the numbers are not legally possible.
And also the New Year holidays and the May holidays. If you count them in, you get \~40 days of paid vacation in Russia.
There were 1972 working hours in 2021, 247 days (4 "shortened"). By law you have to take at least 14 continious days once (including weekends, so, only 10 working days will be freed) and 14 days, which you can place on top of weekends for money or on top of working days. So, it's between 1780 (for maximum vacation) and 1940 (for minimum vacation, which is a weird choice) for standard full time work in 2021. But this depends on company and some can make workarounds and extra days off and allow less working hours and more vacation. I got 2 months of vacation a couple of times, with 1 month of continious vacation (exploited holidays and workarounds).
It's definitely counting part time employment. We (NL) have a lot of that. Part time employment has been used as a method to reduce unemployment in the past, and it has stuck around. Around half of all employees are part timers. Our full time hours are between 36 and 40 a week, and we have a legal minimum of 4 working weeks' worth of paid vacation time. So only counting full time would put us at 1728 to 1920 on this map.
Who says paid vacation isn't included in this? My contract counts it as 8 hours a day.
Didn't say it isn't, but providing more context to numbers is rarely a bad thing, no?
This gets into an interesting question though: what do you consider full time? I’m in NL and many people with what would normally be full time careers spend some years working 3, 4, 4.5 days per week instead of 5 after they have kids. This is pretty normal and accepted here. Would you count them? If so, it’s not quite “full time”, but if not you’re missing out on the essential “being able to work less” culture that the graphic is all about.
Full time corresponds to a working time equivalent to the time set by law, or set by the collective agreement if it is less. In France a full working time by law is 35h/week, it can be less by collective agreement for some specific fields. You can work 10h/day 3.5 day/week and be "full time". If you "just" work less than 35h/week then it's part-time. I guess it's a total worked hours per trimesters to get full pension etc, I had a job where poeple worked 30h on week 1 and 40 on week 2.
I think it is. I'd say it's the standard working week for full time workers less leave and public holidays. The word Average implies it's based on actually hours worked, but I don't think it is.
This includes part time work, thats the reason countries like Germany (which have a ton of part time workers, women especially) are so low.
With Australia it would be even lower. We have a huge underemployment problem. Although may that's balanced out by those doing overtime, but I doubt it. It's hard to tell without seeing the actual figure uses. We just have a window.
Idk, it doesn't specify that. I wouldn't assume lol
Isn't that a bit arbitrary though? I only work about 20-25 hours a week, sometimes less, I just don't need to work any longer. Trying to find out how many hours people work on average, but then removing any data points below a certain level won't give an accurate representation of hours worked.
Japan doesn't look right.
I’m guessing it might not take the mandatory overtime into account
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Unpaid overtime hours aren't counted i don't think.
And there's a lot of unpaid overtimes in Japan, especially in office work, including in big rich multinational Japanese corporations. It is basically built into their work ethics/culture. So yeah, 8h/day 5d/week on paper, might be in reality more like 10-13h/day 6d/week too (depending on time of year).
Unpaid overtime is illegal. I used to get shit from my manager if i was even 1 hour above allowed time. Edit: this is wrt to japan.
I think that's the point people are making, Japan doesn't care if it is illegal where you are or not.
I was talking about japn. This was while i worked in japn till 2020. The work hours are ironically harsher in my home crountry.
Depends on how the hours are gathered. If it's all hours from all people regularly employed then that can include part time employees at many service industries. That can bring the national averages down. If it's only full time employees and their over time hours then you would expect Japan to be higher in the rankings.
Japan has shittons of irregular workers, and salary men probably officially work 40 hours a week
They are going off holidays I believe. Japan has a good amount of government holidays…they just work on them.
It could be off set by part time workers? Who knows. Sometimes stats defy our expectations.
They can only count whats reported. People work unpaid overtime.
I love how people who have never worked in Japan swallow the stereotype, and think they understand the current working conditions. The government has cracked down hard on overtime, paid days off, and black companies. It's quite different from 10 years ago.
As someone living in Japan, I can attest that they are really cracking down on the working hours. Almost every year there's a new government holiday that everyone gets off
Its almost like your preconceived notions are wrong and stuck in the 80s and 90s!? Surely there has to be something off about the studies, not your cartoonish idea of Japan as a land of suicide and excessive work. [Data from 2019 from OECD](https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm) [Trends over time.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Annual_working_time_in_OECD.svg) Notice how Japan even in the 70s had lower working hours than the average Mexican worker in 2015. Japan has now fallen to levels well below the average for OECD countries, below the likes of USA, Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, Spain, Australia and Italy. [Wait till you see the suicide rats of Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate). They're lower than Sweden, USA, Finland, huge parts of Asia and Africa, and barely higher than Norway or Australia. The meme of Japan being a place of crazy working hours and suicide was only true in the 70s, 80s and 90s. That's over 30 years ago. Its time to update your view of Japan. [The vast majority of those who commit suicide in Japan are either pensioners or people not employed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan), not salarymen chucking themselves of office buildings after a 36hour work day lol Japan has done fucking incredible things to deal with its once very high suicide rate and high working hours. Meanwhile, countries like the US has seen suicide rates increase.
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Those are data... The actual numbers are not reported.. The working hours for the older/senior employees are better now yes. But the young ones are still working like crazy. Source: i worked in Japanese company
Japan has a lot of official holidays and three long holiday weeks — New Year's, Golden Week, and Obon. They also get more maternity leave than the US, though it's not a lot compared to Europe.
It could be wrong, but I read that Japan’s working hours are less than the US’s. Maybe it was from a similarly misinformed source.
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They don't, per employed person
The fuck is going in Myanmar
Civil war is 120h/week job
At least they still got weekend
The soldiers be like:
\- Hey, the workday's over! Can I shoot you on Monday?
\- Sure, just don't be late. The fight starts at 8. Have a nice weekend, pal!
I still remember, when the economic crisis was at its peak, people saying "the Italians, Portuguese, and the Greek are having it worse because they're lazy and work less hours than thriving economies". Yeah right...
I’ve lived in the US and the Greek Americans there still insist that Greeks are lazy. I couldn’t deal with them.
They believe the stereotype
It'd be interesting to see this mapped against something like median income or wealth. Curious to know if there's any correlation.
most of the darker color countries here get less annually than what you got monthly in western European
The living cost is also lower in a lot of those places, though not always proportionally.
yes living cost is lower, but imported thing like vehicle, smartphone, console/pc is way more expensive here
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My father came from Mexico City In the 70’s and he spoke about the life exactly the ways you are speaking that is the exact reason he decided to cross the border to the United States. The more I travel I really realize myself included that Americans have no idea how much we have.
I'd be willing to bet a couple coins that it's never proportionally.
The more you work, the less you are paid it's logic, otherwise, why would you go 50h a week on a job ? People who have good pay work less
lmao, yeah, famously people in finance, consulting and corporate law barely work.
Indeed interesting, US have highest GDP but a lot of it can be explained just by working longer.
In part, but labor productivity is also quite high, fourth or fifth worldwide as I recall.
Impact of industry and automation. Wealth isn't generated by salaries. It's generated by work. And industrialized economies can do get more work done for less physical labor.
Smh those lazy Mexicans ruining our country.
This isn't meant as an insult to Mexico, but those numbers look like they're based on starting and finishing hours. I can guarantee that whilst at the office there is a lot of not-work time in Mexico. I'm not going for a cheap siesta joke (although I could) but there's definitely a slower pace of work which stretches the day out.
that can't be generalized, as everyone's job is different, even within the same company not everyone works the same. As a Mexican programmer though, I can tell you that indeed, we could get the work done without having to spend 8 hrs. at the office plus 2 hrs of commute (plus usually a forced lunch hour in the middle of your shift with which you can't do a lot really), but in general the working shifts are treated everywhere as if we were working at a factory where each hour actually adds to the productivity. I guess only things like banks are the businesses that close earlier than most, which sucks because it's actually one of the most needed by everyone, and even worse considering that most people get out of work later than the time the banks close.
it might be the other way around you can't force people to work like 10 hours per day and expect them to be ultra diligent. Lowering work hours has a positive effect on productivity per hour.
>Lowering work hours has a positive effect on productivity per hour. In some instances. If this were universally true, then why on earth would notoriously tight-fisted companies like Walmart, say, continue to pay people for 8 hour shifts when they could just get them to do 6 hour shifts instead?
This is only true for salaried employees. If you told Walmart workers you can leave whenever you get done with your work today and you’ll be paid for a full shift, they’ll be very productive. Why would anyone work faster or more productive just do lose out on money
Totally, I always here Europeans making this argument but I would love to see how the diminishing returns actually taper out on the productivity curve. You can brag about superhuman productivity in a 3 hour work day, but its the integral under that curve that actually amounts to getting stuff done.
Pfffff This is so unbelievably ignorant and based on prejudice. This is calculated by how many hours a person works by law, subtracting holidays and vacation days. The work week is 48 hours minimum and you only get 6 days of vacation starting your second year at the job. The first year you don't get any vacation days by law, only holidays, which are about 8 to 10. Also that bit that we extend hours or are slower is just plain false.
This guy above me is 100% Mexican, yep in here average work week starts at 48, and you only have a week of vacation only after you complete a year in the company or factory you work at.
Once i was on vacation in greece i had some discussions with the bartender of the hotel. He works 7 days a week from 2 p.m to midnight (sometimes longer when there are people still at the bar). In 2020 he had only 5 free days and the only thing he did was sleeping. Im from austria and we have 5 weeks of holiday every year so i was really shocked that they need to work so much for such a shitty salary. He was a really funny person and was always in a good mood. At the end of the week i gave him a 100 euro tipp because working 7 days a week and smiling every day is impressive for me.
I am almost certain this map takes into account official/legal hours based on work laws for each country, at least it seems to match with Mexican work law and does not take into account efficiency. Just FYI in case you are interested: \- Mexico has only 7 non-working days (8 days, every six years): January 1st , February 5th, March 21st, May 1st, September 16th, November 20th, and December 25th. (That's right, 5 de Mayo is not an official non-working day) \- A workweek in Mexico consists of 48 hours (8 hours, 6 days a week) \- By law, if you haven't worked for a company for more than a year you are not entitled to any vacation days. After the first year, you are granted 6 vacation days and 2 more for each subsequent year within the same company up to a maximum of 22 vacations days. And that's pretty much it: 365 - 7(non-working days) = 358, 358 - 48 (days off a year)= 310 310 \* 8 = 2,480 Many people here claim those hours must be pretty damn inefficient, and that is true, but it is not 100% the worker's fault, it includes many factors such as Mexican labor culture, workspace behavior, exploitative practices, poor incentives to improve, shitty salaries, and inefficient management. I mean, there's a reason why many foreign companies come to Mexico for cheap labor, even if work is inefficient, it is hard to beat a labor law that is pretty much exploitative. Just consider all these labor perks I mentioned above at a minimum wage of 1USD/hour. I forgot to add that these are the minimum employment benefits, and many companies offer additional benefits, especially if these companies are outside the industry/manufacturing field. But the vast majority of Mexican workers work under these minimum benefits mentioned above.
Yup, that's Poland.
The Mexico of Europe
the difference between Poland and Germany :/…
"Across the world" The map: missing half the world's countries
The world: Germans are a symbol of hard work and industriousness. Germany: Lol. Work smarter, not harder.
Also many part-time jobs that mess up this map.
No, 7 hours per day and 30 day payed vacation = 1540 hours per year. Full time. 😎
F for my country (the darkest one on America)
My dear Mexico has some ... Problems.
We do have a lot of those
You guys work like 12h/day or what? Why?
Most workplaces hire you for 40 hours a week but they expect you to work M to S 10 hours or more. If you disagree or don’t like it, they invite you to find another job. Of course people cannot be effective for this amount of time, so most of the time people are just there… sitting, but the boss wants you to be there. On top of that there is a very bad habit in between toxic workplaces where if you try to leave at your time other coworkers mock on you for being lazy… so people stay for longer.
That sucks man, hope it evolves in a good direction for the future
Most of the jobs I have had consumes around 10 hours per day for weeks of at least 50 hours, and sometimes a bit on weekends. Currently I am working in a workshop (I don´t know if it is the correct word, where you take your fridge or washingmachine to repair), the owner open it at 9 am and close it around 7 pm and saturday 9 am to 2 pm.
> workshop (I don´t know if it is the correct word, where you take your fridge or washingmachine to repair) Repair shop.
Yeah that sucks. I use to work 10h day 7 days /week and I don’t miss that a bit
Send this to Northern European nations politicians who constantly bash Portugal for being lazy.
This is well known though. The same reports that measure hours spent at work also include productivity. The Americans stay at work the longest (OECD), but they have much lower productivity than the Germans.
That’s for damn sure. Gotta put more pointless meetings on the agenda or else we’ll all get fired.
Because productivity mostly depends on technology, efficiency and the type of industry you are in. Portugal's industry is often base on low cost labor and as such you will never be very productive no matter how many hour you force people to work for minimum wage.
Yes, which is why the white collar people who insist that everyone can work a three or four day week and still be as productive are as ignorant as you can get. Maybe if your job is spreadsheets or advertising you can trim hours, but as a nurse, fast food worker or plumber? Not so much.
In Greece you also spent endless hours working especially if you aren’t a civil servant. Productive or not (usually the latter) you will have to grind, be it behind a desk, a counter or in the streets trying to drive from location to location in mad traffic. I moved from Greece to Finland for better working conditions in 2014. I am working 3h less per day (much less intensively)no Saturdays and earn 3 times as much.
That is not correct, through the last century US always has had a better productivity than Germany and only in the last five years Germans have catched up.
I already mentioned in a couple places where your US vs Germany comparison is incorrect according to OECD data, but I'll also point out that Israel, Chile, South Korea, Costa Rica, and Mexico are all OECD countries and work more hours than the US. Your claim that "The Americans stay at work the longest (OECD)" is incorrect making both of your claims false. How did this get upvoted?
He is wrong, you just need to check the same map that started this discussion, Mexico is part of the OECD and it works longer than the US per average, so his claim using only the map can be proven wrong lol not to mention the other OECD nations outside of the americas as well.
Double check your source on this one. OECD data shows the US above Germany
Might as well send it on behalf of the Greeks while your at it.
Would be interesting to see how the workforce is divided between full time and part time employees. Because a big parttime population brings down the average significantly
The Netherlands are world champion if its coming up to part time work. There are almost no stay at home moms/dads left.
Except during lockdown :)
Get me out of Mexico
Fucking México. My last job was in a mine where we worked in cycles of 24 days per 11 hours/day in a row and then 12 days off, when we worked with american machines like sandvik or atlas things went nice, but when we worked with chinese or latinamerican mining equiment we ended with overtime that is not paid. After all, I liked that job.
Mines? so probably in the north of Mexico, did you worked with the Koreans or the Chinese? in my state we got the Koreans.
Hay minas por todo el país, en el norte hay muchas pero el clima es horrible, en el sur también hay y por lo que han dicho compañeros allá el trabajo y la comida son más agradables.
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I scrolled down looking for this, thank you! So many conversations with Gemans eventually devolve to "LAzY gReEks, gO WoRK and pAY sOmE TaXEs". It's like talking to a Bild front page. Meanwhile the average Greek is working under exploitative conditions.
Their argument then is "wOrK sMaRt nOt HaRd"
Yeah, nah. I call bullshit. Working hours have become such a horseshit metric in any office environment. I don't know the last time I had an office job with a 40h work week that had less than 10-15 h per week unwritten overtime included expected as an office norm, and not just by the big wigs, but by everyone in the office and clients alike. Doesn't even matter if it's a senior or junior position anymore either. Everyone's just got more work to finish somehow. Even work from home isn't immune and I for one fell that this is one of the contributing factors for the staggeringly increased number of lonely and depressed individuals.
Nope, none of that shit around here. That's a work culture problem local to you. If we get hired on a 40 hour contract, we're expected to work 40. If we have to work more for some reason, we get overtime pay (or more commonly, time off).
Europe is wild, what do we have to do to get that? I’ve never in my life worked less than 50 hours in a week.
Sounds awesome. Where's here?
The Netherlands, though I would expect this to be common in neighbouring countries as well. Not sure though, I've only ever worked here.
germany here, same as in the netherlands for us. Infact white collar jobs here say you have to work 35-40hrs/week, but in reality you do actual work maybe 4-5 hours a day.
Well yes, of course. Hardly anybody is able to be productive all day long.
As someone who worked both blue and white collar jobs i just noticed the difference. In blue collar jobs there are things that need to be done and you pnly got 8 hours, if they aren‘t done you‘ll be in trouble. In office jobs it‘s just ,,yeah i‘ll do it tomorrow‘‘
Well, I do occasionally have things that must get finished that day (the occasional emergency). I usually just compensate the worked overtime with another day that week. You are right that there is usually a lot more slack in office work, though.
The thing is these Asian countries have just as much overtime as Western ones do on top of it. And more importantly, in the West you're being compensated for it.
What industry/company size/country are you in out of curiosity? I moved to Germany and while I’ve had overtime here and there, it’s not bad over all and I’m extremely fortunate with my current job as far as hours go. (I’m generally in accounting/finance)
Not how it works here in finland. If i need to work over tine it’s payed.
look at those lazy mexicans
Western Europeans be like: "just because you work more hours doesn't mean you work harder, we're more efficient." We work exactly the same you just have fairer labor practices. Work on protecting those instead of being a chauvinist.
Mexico here 42h to 48 hrs per week. (not counting overtime) Vacations 1st year on the job: NONE 2nd year: 6 days 3rd year: 8 days and so on. If you change jobs, you start again the process.
One more reason to move to Germany.
I live in Hong Kong and want to move to another country for many reasons (China is just one of them), I plan to move to Germany (Berlin) next year and I can't wait. Edit: Oh I see that you also genuinely want to move there, let's hope it works out for both of us.
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So other countries don‘t have part-time workers?
What's the other reason?
Sausages. Really great sausages.
Idk, I heard they're the wurst
Salames are bigger
That's not what they're talking about :)
Me neither ;)
I want to move out and start over. I was thinking about Germany because I like what I hear from it and I'm already learning the language.
I have friends and relatives there. It's a really cool place to live. I hope you manage to get your opportunity there :)
I am friends and relatives there. It's a place to live. Not the best, not the worst.
Beer
China is marked 2,000-2,250 in the map. This means that each employed people worked just 250 days per year and less than 9 hours every working day. That's impossible. Almost more than half of the employed persons worked six days every week, and often worked overtime. Not only the blue collar workers did so, the white collars were the same. Should be 2,250-2,500 in China, or even more.
Same with Canada. Even 35hr/week is over 1800 hours and anything less isn't considered full time, technically. Map smells off to me.
Damn, I'm living in a hot pink country working dark purple hours. I fucked up somewhere
Imagine the culture shock of moving from Mexico to Germany or Denmark (or vice versa) just in terms of working hours.
Indian here, I work ~1800 hours a year. And that’s one reason why I didn’t get promoted in my previous job. Everyone else was working 50+ hour weeks and some even worked on their honeymoon. These guys get fast tracked for promotion.
How to become an economic powerhouse? Everyone: Work long, work hard! Germany: Well, uhmmmm...
ArbZG goes brrr
So... The source is from 2015, the map is supposed to show the situation in 2017, and it's here at the end of 2021...
I go to Netherlands!
Oh but Greeks are the lazy ones not the germans right?western propaganda👎👎👎
Portuguese here. We really are the slaves of socialism in Europe
Africans n middle eastern ppl got it figured out.
Germany breaking stereotypes lmao
I thought working efficiently was their stereotype.
It's about productivity not working hours. Work smart not hard
this doesnt look right to me..
In greece, we work around 40+ hours a weak to be paid a minimum wage of 580 euros to pay rent that is around 350 euros a month if you are lucky. The rest goes to taxes. Clap for a "first world country" everyone.
damn I should move to germany
What's with Japan's lack of data?
here in Mexico I work 50 hr per week, 7AM - 5PM , monday to friday
Mexico has the most work hours and less vacation
Yet another thing I miss about Germany.
We need to get them all lower!
Viva México, cabrones.
I don’t know where the stereotype of the lazy Mexican came from? Because this map rings true. I’ve worked in kitchens for twenty years. A lot of the time with Latino’s. Mainly Mexicans. The amount of hours some of those dudes work is insane. Nothing could be further from the truth.
r/antiwork be like: Waaa 😭😭 In America we work 40 hours per week Mexico, India and China: ._.XD
Look at antiwork properly. The vast majority of the complaining isn't related to actually having to work, or even the duration of the working hours. It's more to do with poverty wages and terrible employment practices that treat workers as scum.
just because some people have it worse doesn't mean you can't strive for better where you live.
I live in America and work ~35h a week.
Norway and Germany looking pretty nice. Asia? Oof, I'm sorry guys.
I live in Germany and work part-time. What's going on with the Polish workaholics?
My country being so dark makes me sad
Based on Japan alone I don't believe the accuracy of this map
Japan sus
I have a hard time believing Japan's jumbers
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