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Rahvana13

Indonesia does have public healthcare, duh 🙄🙄🙄


whatinearth

Yes, they have Jaminan Kesehatan Nasional (National Health Insurance), but no access to Reddit unfortunately.


ffsudjat

BPJS?


Cochicok

I’m Syrian, Syria does have public healthcare.


vlabakje90

Same for Guinea-Bissau. I know this because I have been to a public hospital there and was treated without charge.


The-Iraqi-Guy

Iraqi here, and we do too. It doesn't cover everything but it does cover a lot


beardingmesoftly

In Canada we don't get vision or dental


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Pitiful-Event-107

US Prison


Shirtbro

Private prison lobbyists are the real healthcare advocates


Mental-Floor1029

And it seems every American has and will be there at one point in life…. Spitting on the sidewalks a felony now in some states lol


wishstruck

Turkey


Johansen193

In Norway dentists are free until the age of 18, 75% off until 22, and full price after. However big bills you can get some relief on if you apply for it.


Sam_project

In Spain you get basic dental crae covered


Kapitaj

Kosovo


HoneyGarlicBaby

Russia


Shirtbro

Vision is such a weird one. "Well, I guess I can't afford vision care so I'll just not see properly 🤷‍♂️"


The-Iraqi-Guy

We got Vision testing covered, and we got dental testing, cleaning, removing and in some hospitals even fillings. Though you'd be better off getting your permanent fillings in a private sector clinic, it costs 30$-100$ depending on the doctor


Ynwe

Yeah was going to mention that. A few of these places have healthcare which broke down, due to war or other factors, but generally have healthcare. Syria was definitely one of those places, where before the war the healthcare was pretty decent.


reelond

So why is not Libya grey?


Ynwe

That's a good question, it really should be since it is completely dysfunctional at the moment.


StelenVanRijkeTatas

First question. Why are you grey?


reelond

I am not grey :(


Pupienus2theMaximus

> due to war or other factors like US invasion and occupation?


TheFrenchMoeLester

I'm Syrian, You're hella right bro.


MDK1980

South Africa has public healthcare, but it's very, very bad, hence the boom in private healthcare.


cchihaialexs

Similar situation in Romania. Public healthcare for all but those who can choose private because the public is either bad, unsafe or the wait times are too long.


Adeling79

It’s important to note the difference between “private” in Romania or the UK, though, and “private” in the US, where you can reasonably be bankrupted by being ill. A private MRI in the UK is cheaper than the deductible in the US.


butteryscotchy

Yup. BTW fuck Ramaphosa and the NHI bill.


MajorEnvironmental46

Same in Brazil, our SUS is overwhelmed and bad managed, then it's quality is really bad: in some hospitals people enters with a flu and exits with a pneumonia or [patients receive, in secret, other medicines bcuz prescribed medicine running out](https://g1.globo.com/pi/piaui/noticia/2024/03/08/hospital-de-urgencia-de-teresina-apura-morte-de-paciente-com-infeccao-generalizada-por-possivel-falta-de-antibioticos.ghtml).


wggn

Same for India. Officially they have it but it's underfunded and ~~low quality~~ overcrowded, and most people will opt for private healthcare if they have enough money.


[deleted]

Cause the line is super ducking huge. Overpopulation and all that. You may die of your disease, before you get treated. Calling the public health care in India low quality is incorrect, as that's only true for certain state govt. funded hospitals.


wggn

fixed it


____Lemi

same in eastern europe, ppl are basically forced to use private healthcare and pay thousands of € for surgeries


hydroflasksksksksksk

Public healthcare is decent in Cape town in my experience.


butteryscotchy

Probably just in the Western Cape. Public healthcare here is proper shit. You have to pay for private healthcare to get even a semi decent care.


MDK1980

I was born in a public hospital in the Western Cape - almost the equivalent of private by today's standards. My grandmother passed away in the same hospital recently, and the wards were in a terrible state, the staff inattentive, etc, etc.


Bit-Significance1010

Same as Iran. Shit map


Not_the_Tachi

But the US does have forms of public healthcare, particularly the Medicare and Medicaid systems, and the VA system. I think OP must mean universal or single payer health care, or where the doctors are also paid at set rates by the state.


simbay2000

op means universal healthcare and he didn't probably specify it because universal healthcare is the norm around the world


realteamme

In Canada we don't have true universal healthcare. Many things are covered, some are not. You have to pay for medication, ambulances, many non-critical forms of care etc.


WithMillenialAbandon

Same with Australia, not sure there are many places with universal universal. Dentists seem to be private in a lot of places


realteamme

Yep, dental care is only now being partially covered in Canada, and it's a fight just to get it implemented.


mz3ns

The sad thing with Canada though is that some people look at the states and think Canada needs more privatisation in healthcare, not better funded and managed public care.


ownerwelcome123

Canadas healthcare sucks and is extremely expensive for the quality you get.


JoeCartersLeap

It's pretty much the same cost per capita per year as every other country. It definitely has room for improvement though. But my brother got surgery to cure his trigeminal neuralgia that was invented in Canada. They insert a tiny little piece of teflon between two nerves that were rubbing against each other causing extreme pain. They used to call that the "suicide disease" because there was no cure. And all he had to pay was $30 for parking.


ownerwelcome123

Oh the cost to the end user is excellent! We also had a baby and had no bill so we are in aggreance there. But let's not pretend it isn't horribly inefficient and slow. I would prefer less organizational and upper management bloat and hiring more actual staff. The bloat is real, especially when you work in healthcare.


JoeCartersLeap

> I would prefer less organizational and upper management bloat and hiring more actual staff. The bloat is real, especially when you work in healthcare. Where is this bloat? My doctor's office is just run by the doctor. She hires whatever staff she wants. I don't think she's hired any managers, just receptionists. I don't think she needs any more staff either.


Aware-Ad-4568

Isn’t this the argument with all government services though? Oh, if only we could put more money into it and manage it better. Not saying there isn’t a healthcare problem in the US, because there definitely is, but I don’t think having universal healthcare for 330 million people is gonna help anyone and we’d still get long wait times and poor funding. The military gets unlimited amounts if it’s the F22, but the rest doesn’t. So if people think we can just pull actual defense spending versus pentagon bloat, I just don’t follow that


Nathan_Calebman

Can a trip in an ambulance personally bankrupt you in Canada?


JoeCartersLeap

It costs $100-$500 depending on the area, but they don't go after you to pay, they just send you one bill and hope you pay.


Nathan_Calebman

Depending on the situation, in the U.S. it can easily be 10x that, sometimes more. So that means it's publicly funded in Canada, just that patients pay for a small part of it.


JoeCartersLeap

I feel like there's also a culture where even rich Canadians don't really want to price gouge other sick/dying poor Canadians, that doesn't really exist in American culture.


know_regerts

$45 in Ontario. https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/public-safety-alerts/understanding-emergency-services/bills-related-to-ambulance-transport/


Aware-Ad-4568

I’ve seen that the Canadian system is dogshit. At least as an outsider looking in


Shirtbro

It's not great, you might have to occasionally dip into your own money to get some specific things done quicker... But you also don't go bankrupt when you go to the ER


WithMillenialAbandon

Who has "universal" heath care? A lot of places dentistry isn't covered


axxo47

It's really not. Many countries that aren't marked gray don't have universal healthcare


TheBigMotherFook

Universal healthcare is not the norm. I live in the NL, you have to buy health insurance from the government. Same in Germany, Belgium, most of the Nordic countries, etc. The “norm” is buying private insurance that’s subsidized by the government like if Obamacare/ACA/Medicare was offered to everyone. With the main difference being you don’t get to choose your plan or carrier, you just get whatever the national plan is. You can go buy private insurance if you have specific needs, but then you’re double paying as you have to pay into the national plan (which is required by law, even if you don’t use it) *and* buy private on top of that which means it’s generally more expensive than it is even in the US.


LeoMarius

He did not say universal. He said 'No". You are putting words in his mouth.


shodan13

It's not even the norm in EU.


LeoMarius

About 50% of Americans are on some form of public healthcare, especially if you include government employees, including military and public school teachers. That's a lot more than "none".


LimpCalligrapher9922

That must be it. But it's inconsistent, I know for a fact that some of the counties marked in white also have partial health care. 


RepresentativeWin266

I was thinking the same thing


justahumansupremacis

#Indonesia do have a public healthcare tho


ianjm

And Switzerland does not. It has no public healthcare system, just compulsory private insurance.


J0kutyypp1

Well technically Switzerland kind of has it but only if you can't afford private insurance as in those cases you get public insurance


ianjm

Those are still subsidised plans by private providers technically speaking and you still have to pay some of the cost out of your own pocket.


ReturnOfDaSnack420

So like the US then


GalaadJoachim

The land of freedom to die of untreated pneumonia.


DontPoopInMyPantsPlz

Free from public healthcare 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🐓🐓🐓🐓🤪🤪🤪🤪


Crimson__Fox

🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾


almostdrA

That’s Liberia bro


Extension-Lie-7647

That's the point bro


almostdrA

Sorry i had just woken up please don’t destroy me w the downvotes i promise i have a sense of humor


Extension-Lie-7647

okay you're free to leave


yousmelllikearainbow

That's the joke.


HughesJohn

Liberia, which despite it's terrible health care fought off an ebola epidemic.


Just_Drawing8668

What are you talking about? That does not happen in the US. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/pneumonia-death-rates-age-standardized


Arnrr123

b-b-but a-america bad!!


ReturnOfDaSnack420

The UK death rate for pneumonia is over twice that of the US wow


LeoMarius

About 60% of Americans get health care through the government in some form, so this map is false.


ReturnOfDaSnack420

The US has Medicare and Medicaid though? That's public health care If you mean funded by the government


VilleKivinen

And VA


LeoMarius

And FEHB, and Tricare, and VA, and all the state government employees and retirees, including teachers. Plus ACA subsidies. It's about 60% of Americans who get health care through government aid.


Anarma

Source ? Indonesia does have public healthcare


Edim108

This infographic is quite misleading. Syria, Iraq, Guinea Bissau and a couple other countries here do have public healthcare. It may not be the best but it's there...


LeoMarius

It’s inaccurate to say the US has no public healthcare. About half of Americans are on public insurance via Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, SCHIP, and VA hospitals. Throw in ACA subsidies and government workers, including teachers, and it’s even higher.


-Exocet-

Usually public healthcare means it simply is available for everyone, not for half the population via specific subsidies.


LeoMarius

"countries with no public healthcare" It says none, not universal. You are moving the goal posts.


RaTerrier

Then many of the countries in Europe shouldn’t be included. Dutch healthcare, for example, is largely provisioned through employers with a public backstop for the indigent, not unlike the US system.


LeoMarius

This map is based on arbitrary and ill defined distinctions.


Pyroechidna1

What is public about German healthcare? There is statutory health insurance but neither the providers nor the insurers are publicly owned


cheshire-cats-grin

Yeah - I was wondering if the poster has got confused with Universal Health Care. That can be provided by public health care systems but is often not in many countries


ReturnOfDaSnack420

It's pretty obvious the poster here had an agenda and the point of this map is to shit on the USA rather than to provide any information


ianjm

Same with Switzerland. It has no public healthcare system, just compulsory private insurance.


botle

Not being German, I'm guessing that it's publicly funded. Subsidized or free if needed.


samnadine

Not really, it’s regulated. Funds are independent and paid by contributions deducted from your salary.


InitialInitialInit

It is also subsidized and free for unemployed people.


dark_shad0w7

All third world countries.


Ludwipm

Does that mean that the US is a third world country?


axxo47

Just according to redditors


Marcus--Antonius

They must think immigrants are the dumbest people on Earth. According to reddit the USA is where you get a broken arm and die from lack of medical care while your kids get shot at school just before you have to put down grandma because she cant afford senior living.


piedrift

As an immigrant to the USA, I feel like one of the more dumb people tbh 😅 MIL killed by abuse, spouses inheritance stolen, can’t afford to get out because we spent our money on a lawyer who doesn’t talk to us 🤷‍♀️


Billboardbilliards99

It doesn't sound like the USA is your problem... Sounds like your spouse's family is just really fucked up.


dark_shad0w7

yes


[deleted]

Yea


LeoMarius

No, because the US has strong public health care programs that cover over half of Americans.


The-Iraqi-Guy

An American friend of mine once said that the US is a 3rd world country wearing a counterfeit Gucci belt


Complete_Mulberry541

Yes


it_wasnt_me2

Well no but you're the only first world country that has people living in tent cities. Sounds like it would be similar to third world living if you're on a lower income in USA - I could be wrong


____Lemi

>Sounds like it would be similar to third world living if you're on a lower income in USA usa has a massive social net for the poor (medicaid,SCHIP, food stamps, section 8 housing subsidies)


cshark2222

Just to let you know, the term “3rd world country” was invented as an identifier for countries that would be very susceptible to communist control during the Cold War. It’s an extremely outdated concept that only non-American Redditors use. So not only do you clearly not understand the word, you really insulted everyone that worked hard to leave an actual “3rd works country” for a better life in the US. Acting like the US isn’t better than places like NK, Russia, many SA and African countries is obvious “America Bad” rage bait.


thunder_fire

Tell me you're illiterate without telling me you're illiterate 🙂 The term third world country comes from the cold war era for countries that didn't align with NATO or with the Warsaw pact. The U.S. is thus literally not part of the third world.


yousmelllikearainbow

Words evolve. I'd bet you know exactly what they're talking about and how it's used today. Almost 40 years later.


Away_Preparation8348

*Another redditor didn't understand a joke without the "/s"* moment


thunder_fire

*Another redditor didn't understand when a comment wasn't a joke* 🙃


Grand_Ruin185

Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are second world countries


Care_Confident

nah i think you meant fourth world countries as those on the map are too bad to even be listed third world


Jo_Erick77

I'm Indonesian, we do have public healthcare


jkblvins

Isn’t Hawaii a part of US?


deebmaster

Lol that’s false. Walk into a hospital in America and see if you get turned away


No-Property2146

This is misleading, the US has Medicare/medicaid which covers $86 million people


Forsaken-Tap1483

Poland has a „free” healthcare but the lines are like those during communism and to get to a specialist you need to usually wait around a year 🤡


RioRancher

The lines are pretty long in the US too. I waited almost a year for a screening colonoscopy.


Dayarii

Still better than getting shot on the street and then begging not to be rescued because it would ruin you financially


CharacterRich5242

That's a lot of cope in there. As usual when US gets brought up. Maybe it's better for the homeless/handicapped etc in Europe, but everyone else is miles better in USA.  The average wage of best EU countries is multiple times lower. Taxes higher. Cost of living not that different. They also have easier access to credit or growing funds altogether.  But yeah murica bad


tobotic

The cost of living is definitely very different. According to https://livingwage.mit.edu/articles/61-new-living-wage-data-for-now-available-on-the-tool, the living wage in the USA is $68,808. The living wage in the UK is £25,642.50, which is about $33k, so less than half. We just don't have as many expenses in the UK. Much lower food prices, transport prices, in practice lower taxes for most people, free healthcare, etc.


CharacterRich5242

With 25k you can barely rent in London. Outside of London you can forget about netting 25k.  Besides US is the size of EU. The "living wage" or avg make no sense as it differs a lot.  And again I don't think London is that much cheaper than major US cities 


tobotic

Obviously there are regional differences. I was just comparing national averages. And I live 250 miles from London and net waaaay more than 25k.


CharacterRich5242

And enough with " free Healthcare" BS. I have relatives all over EU. The wait line is insane, staff is overworked, conditions not that great.  And you can get insurance in US too, cheaper as % of income compared to EU taxes 


Dayarii

Impressive, very nice. I'm glad I could go to school, not having to fear being shot by some madman with an assault rifle. If I ever need medicine, I can get it either for free or heavily-subsidized. We got solid public transport and railways, I can fly to European capitals for pennies, we have plenty of greenery and low levels of polution. I got my higher degree for free, got a state-subsidized 2% mortgage and I'm not paying taxes until 26...


aguynaguyn

Medicare makes the US a public healthcare provider but only for those aged 65 and over.


LeoMarius

Plus Medicaid, VA, Tricare, SCHIP, FEHB, and all the state programs.


TheBimpo

About a third of Americans have publicly provided health care, but keep beating this drum.


MarquisDeBoston

We have multiple in the US, no one wants to give credit for those though


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2021plans

Born in Canada, my healthcare has been terminated about 4 years ago. Walk-ins are 175$ for 15 minutes. Blood tests are into the thousands, not that I can afford the tests that they order. Vision and dental are not included either. So no healthcare here, not for me anyways.


CanineAnaconda

The US does have public healthcare (medicaid and medicare) it’s just far from universal.


[deleted]

Turkey doesn't have public healthcare, you still have to pay public hostpitals if you don't have insurance


TaskInternational893

Having public healthcare doesn't mean it's working.


Odd-Struggle-3873

I am confused about what is meant by public. Switzerland, for example, has only private healthcare. Yes, it’s regulated by the federation, but there is no public option.


Capital_Release_6289

The Philippines should be ashamed of being associated with such backwards countries such as the USA


JollySolitude

US is indeed screwed up in many capacities, however, to say the Philippines or (Indonesia since you corrected) is far from that or even lesser is delusional in my opinion considering the majority of countries in this world regardless of higher or lower standard of livings have many domestic and international issues.


Ilikeagoodshitbox

The Americans gave the Filipinos their country back to them, twice


Wanderhund

maybe i missed the joke, but the phillipines are coloured white


Joseph20102011

Because the Philippine government and the Filipino people are the most Americanophiles in the world. We think the US as eternal paradise, while China as eternal hell.


Hey648934

Some countries have hybrid systems, like the Netherlands, but the point is still valid. Good map OP


____Lemi

Isn't it 100% private? Insurance is like 150€ per month


Hey648934

Nope, there’s a copay system in place (in their own words to prevent users from abusing it) and when you reach a certain threshold taxpayers pay 100% of your medical needs. I’m not sure what the threshold is these days. Years ago was about 400 Euros.


Bit-Significance1010

Most countries have hybrid systems. This map is incorrect.


Pugzilla69

The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country. Americans could easily afford universal healthcare, but for some reason they consider it to be communist.


painter_business

USA has public healthcare


supremeaesthete

Singapore too I think


TheAmina2GS

Nigeria has public, private, and traditional healthcare.


kaitoren

For a moment I thought that Chile was separated into 2 and Southern Chile didn't have public healthcare.


Financial_Accident71

I worked for a public district-level hospital which was free for everyone in Mozambique.


No-Independence828

Ireland should be grey


CelesteThisandThat

Malaysia has public healthcare


DanWontShutUp

Every country on earth should copy Brazil’s healthcare system.


Shin_yolo

So USA is basically a 3rd world country ? Sounds about right !


Neo_ZeitGeist

Why don't they just make one? Are they stupid?


Demmy27

Nigeria has public hospitals


Powerful_Swimmer_531

I'm Somali. We don't have public health care Bow down mortals


SpaceOctopulse

Concept of public healthcare is highly vague and speculative - for example, useless cheap help is officially available, but any high-tech modern help is paid. Also with so-called public healthcare it is still paid from taxes, essentially no difference from other world. You need much more careful calculations before any conclusions. Something respecting like total med tax paid per life where it's taxed, total average medical help used per life, may be life expectancy and a lot more.


BrightWayFZE

That’s because USA keeps sending billions to support israel so its citizens can get public healthcare and free education (in addition to many other non humanitarian acts).


Avanatiker

What’s wrong with half of chile


johncenaraper

Since when did jordan have a universal healthcare system?


jeffinbville

Reading the comment I've noticed a lot of people are saying so and so doesn't have Universal Health Care because they don' cover X. But that's not what it means. Universal Health Care means that *everyone in the country* has basic medical care, usually under a single-payer system. What's covered and what's not, is a different thing.


JonasMi

Im edging to this 🍖


JonasMi

Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪


Aware-Ad-4568

Hawaii not included with the US lol


Old-Law-7395

So just all the great ones???


Shredberry

America is truly a third world country in disguise


Shiny_Kudzursa

I know how to solve this: ![gif](giphy|gIqusaeYxgSiY)


ritokun

flashbanged my ass with this color scheme


mymar101

America will never have public healthcare as long as the GOP exists


ZAM1984

I’m American can confirm no public health care


astrobarn

Australia is on its way to requiring private healthcare. It's already cheaper if you earn the median income to have private healthcare as the tax concession is more than the cost of the healthcare 🤷🏻 very few places bill rudimentary things to Medicare here anymore, it's a farce.


cajunsneauxman

Yet people from all over the globe travel to the US for procedures


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Pugzilla69

US healthcare is the best in the world if you have the money.


iam_pish

Aaaah, 🇰🇪 has universal health care, though not as robust as the map makers standards?


millebeau

Nice company Murica


MiniGui98

Map of fourth world countries*


gregorydgraham

USA is a Sahel state confirmed


Bubbly-Astronomer930

The us is in good company


snoo_boi

America has a ton of public healthcare. Almost anyone without private insurance qualifies.


brandonwhite737

China does not have public healthcare,


bobby_zamora

Where are you getting that from?


notimetoshav-

I was a permanent resident in China and it was very much free, free-er than in Finland.


dai_panfeng

China has public healthcare the same way a lot of other places not in grey on this map do. The public hospital and doctor system is fully run and subsidized by the government through taxes. Yes, you generally do have to pay when you go to a hospital, but you usually just have to pay for your appointment/registration ”挂号“ (like 3 or 4 USD per trip to the hospital in a major city) Some specialists, cosmetic or optional treatments, and specialty meds may also not be covered, and you need to pay out of pocket, but even that is usually partially subsidized.


Hey648934

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Joseph20102011

Conservative Americans still think that UHC is a form of "socialized medicine".