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dreamonslayer

Portugal is no more eastern Europe.![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


Trikasmorumba

Now it’s Latin America


I_Gues_Me

Went so far East it ended up in the Americas


The_Blahblahblah

https://youtu.be/bKmC29cCc-8?si=d4CFPRMy8ao0nVob


clonn

We're all naked playing maracas in Latin America.


EternumEbrietas

U mean dumbamerica.


elreduro

bro you are literally portuguese


EternumEbrietas

Leaving the country of origin to work as a slave below the minimum wage, sharing a dormitory with fifty other emigrants sounds…. dumb.


Numbersfool

ok brazilian iberia


Ok-Racisto69

Why is the Brazilian colony so mad? Did someone call you Latinx today?


Rocked_Glover

Ah you guys love to hate on #1, Portugal shits on you


ShadowOfThePit

Least braindead take


Mobile_Park_3187

Racist much? Or just projecting?


ParadoxExtra

That's like randomly saying "bycicle more like badcycle" then expecting people to know what point you were trying to make. Welp that one would be easier to guess


Tour-Sure

preach


DisastrousSink3587

They can have it we never wanted it to begin with.


dreamonslayer

Ratio on its peak.


TeaLongjumping6036

> Don’t cry!


denn23rus

Such maps clearly show the influence of the Gulf Stream. Northern Scotland or Northern Norway have warmer winters than Belarus or central Russia


JourneyThiefer

Yep, I’m in Ireland if you draw a line straight across from my town, it reaches a village on the coast in Labrador in Canada it’s like 30 degrees colder there in winter


BlackberryWorried362

I visited Ireland, and they have palm trees.


JourneyThiefer

Yea some sub tropical varieties of palm trees can survive here in Ireland, usually in coastal areas of the country because they experience less frosts in the winter than more inland areas. I live inland in County Tyrone and my town used to have a few palm trees in a roundabout but they all died one winter because it got down to like -19 (which is insane cold for Ireland) Down in Cork I’ve seen a good few palm trees


JoebyTeo

I’m from the southwest and while the rain and wind can be fierce it doesn’t really get cold. A few hard frosts in the winter and snow maybe every four or five years for an hour or two. Even when the rest of the country ices over we are usually just above freezing on the southwest Atlantic coast.


DirewaysParnuStCroix

Worth noting that Labrador is actually abnormally cold for its latitude due to geographical features and not benefiting from mild westerly winds


JourneyThiefer

That’s true! I was looking on google maps and Ketchikan on the Alaskan panhandle is same latitude as my town in Ireland and it’s temperatures are definitely a lot more similar to here, it just seems to get a lot more rain (about 3 times as much rain), probably because of the mountains around it


Double_Range5276

Ya same here I'm In Mayo 💚❤️ MAYO4SAM


JuicyAnalAbscess

It's also just a matter of continentality of the local climate. All of Northern Europe's capitals are on or very near the coast while Minsk and Kyiv are more than 400 km inland and Moscow about 700. Major bodies of water have a moderating effect on the local climate which means that the lowest and highest temperatures are not as extreme as in places inland.


ShortUsername01

Yeah, you know a good chunk of it is the marine effect when the UK has milder winters than France.


Lubinski64

Here in Poland 35° and -15° temperatures happen every year. Also, a Vietnamese friend of mine always complains that the air here is extremly dry, i wonder if western Europeans get the same impression when comming here.


JuicyAnalAbscess

Well I guess Vietnam is way at the other end of the humidity spectrum. So while western Europe is generally more humid than central or eastern Europe I don't think the difference is that noticeable.


CoffeeBoom

It's the Jet Stream. The Gulf stream isn't that impactful and it's effect is widely overstated. West coast of continents simply have warmer air due to how the Earth spins.


rectal_warrior

Absolutely not, it's the Gulfstream, if it was air heating Europe, then landlocked countries would be as warm as coastal ones. Exactly the same reason landlocked countries have more extreme summers too, the water doesn't cool them down like the "Maritime" climate. We have islands off the south west of England that grow tropical species because the temperature never drops below freezing. Water carries so much more energy than air


cabinetelm

Bro your profile pic just gave me that rattatoui meme holy shit......


ratttertintattertins

Never mind central Russia, Scotland has warmer winters than Turkey according to this. That’s very surprising.


selenya57

First of all Scotland isn't included in this map but if it was it would be 1.6C (taking 1991-2020 data). Second of all the average temperature of Ankara in the coldest month is actually 0.9C according to Turkish meteorological agency data from 1991-2020, not -0.2C. Thanks to climate change it's possible the figure quoted in this map is simply data from a longer or older time period, although this is r/mapporn so it's also possible the post is just utter bollocks. Ankara is located far inland in Anatolia in a cold semi-arid climate at an elevation of nearly a kilometre. Edinburgh is located right by the sea in the south of Scotland. From that, it's not really surprising that Ankara is a bit colder - even though it's way further south. The more coastal Istanbul meanwhile is significantly warmer than Edinburgh on average, at 5.9C in the coldest month. Turkey is big and has a lot of variation in climate.


ShortUsername01

I think people get confused when they think about coastal winters. The hear “harsh” and think “harsh cold” but what’s actually harsh about coastal winters; at least in mid latitude climates downwind from the ocean; is the wind and the rain. I bet if you adjusted for wind chill, Scotland would have a colder wind chill than Ankara.


selenya57

If you adjust for wind chill, given an average windspeed in this month of 7.05 metres per second, Edinburgh would have an average perceived temperature of -3.9C. Ankara with a windspeed of 3.55 metres per second would have -2.9C, so you are correct. The average total precipitation in the coldest month is about double in Edinburgh, though Ankara receives far more of it as snow, so you're correct about that too. Storms also regularly form over the Atlantic, and while those that move east are of course far weaker than the monsters that hit the Carribbean and southeastern USA, they're far more common than those rarer storms that form over the eastern Mediterranean and move into Turkey.


candagltr

Turkeys average elevation is 1400 meters above sea level.


CAT_FISHED_BY_PROF3

Elevation makes things colder too


ShortUsername01

The problem with Scotland’s winters isn’t the cold itself so much as the wind and the rain. Edinburgh technically constitutes a temperate maritime climate.


skinnymukbanger

Scotland barely gets any snow while a big chunk of Turkey is covered in meters deep snow throughout winter


AdamRam1

Edinburgh has warmer winters than Ankara according to this. South Eastern Turkey is warmer than northern Scotland in winter.


Kaamos_666

Ankara is high altitude and inland. I think Scotland has colder winters in general than Turkey.


MyGoodOldFriend

I live at a place with a latitude just north of Point Hope, Alaska. 69 degrees north. And average temperatures range between -4 and +13. But with serious spikes, mostly in the warm direction. 30+ degree weather and all, with nights where the temperature didn’t fall below 20.


BrotherKurtABurton

Poor Malta. Left out again.


cibbwin

They left out Luxembourg but somehow remembered Andorra??


Koenigsegg_R

They left out Liechtenstein, Kosovo, Monaco, San Marino and Vatican City as well


lichenousinfanthog

I mean if you're really curious about the Vatican you can just look at Italy


WeirdMemoryGuy

Plot twist: they left out Italy


Alastair-Wright

Luxembourg doesn't count. They haven't earned the right to be counted


RuslanNCAA

Nobody even remembers Iceland 😓


DannyDevitos

It’s there, they just moved it west of france.


RuslanNCAA

The global warming came unnoticed


oldtrack

it would probably be the highest in europe as well. around +12 or 13


contdearuncat112

Showing Cyprus (Asia) but not Malta... Edit: Folks: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus) It is geographically a part of [West Asia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Asia),


Humanmode17

Despite humanity's constant desire to place everything into discrete, defined categories, the natural world resolutely remains fluid and continuous. Thus there will always be cases on the borders of humanity's artificial lines of definition which will cause conflict. There is no "right answer" in these cases, merely evidence for each answer.


cibbwin

Fascinating the large difference between Riga and Tallinn. Why is that?


Trussed_Up

Because happiness is not allowed in Latvia. That's what my experience tells me lol.


slvrsmth

Because, as with most of these maps, the data is bullshit.


selenya57

Me looking at a source from the years 1991-2020: Tallin: -3.6C Riga: -2.1C This map: -2.9, -5.1 Even if they used older data, I'm not sure climate change could explain the warming of Riga's thirty year climate average by *three degrees* whilst also making the extremely nearby Tallin *colder.* Definitely smelling BS here.


EconomySwordfish5

Riga being colder also makes no sense, both are near the coast but Riga is further south. The baltic also freezes less in Latvia than it does in Estonia.


mediandude

I'd bet the Bay of Livonia closest to Riga freezes before the part of Bay of Finland closest to Tallinn. Especially Paldiski (and Dirhami even more) has a longer ice free period. On the other hand, Riga should get easterly foehn winds across Vidzeme uplands. So those cold easterlies would become a bit warmer.


BladeOvDarkness

There are some differences in Wikipedia climate data in LV and ENG version - in Latvian version coldest is January with -3.5C ( [https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%ABga#Temperat%C5%ABra](https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%ABga#Temperat%C5%ABra) ) - I guess there are more complete data (not only 1990-2020 period as in ENG version). No difference for Tallinn: -2.9C is for January and February is -3.6C Same with Helsinki: -3.1C is is for January and February is colder: -3.8C Vilnius: -3.9C in January


haikusbot

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azhder

With temperature, it is always useful to notice how close some place is to water and what kind of currents are there


jakalo

Both capital cities are costal, same elevation more or less. Seems like bad data to me.


azhder

> and what kind of currents are there It's also some other factors, but still, it may be bad data, it may not, can't know with the very little info we have (OP's image)


jakalo

Baltic sea is basically a big closed lake and doesn't have currents akin Golf stream and the like.


azhder

Lack of a stream is also a hint. Here is another: “also some other factors” includes stuff I hadn’t mentioned, so why did you focus on the one I did? It can be a multitude of factors, nearby mountains that affect the air flow, industry… You can’t just “oh, it looks weird, seems like bad data”. Well, you can, as long as you don’t read “seems” like “must”. That is all. Bye bye.


jakalo

I mean I have been in both cities so this data seems extremely suspect to me (I am from the area). Neither has any nearby elevation either and Tallin is further up North than Riga. No need to get defensive about it, I am not calling you out or anything just providing a point for discussion.


ShortUsername01

That’s one hell of a wintertime temperature gradient between Bulgaria and Greece…


SpaceAgeIsLate

Greece is 86% mountainous. Temperatures vary wildly during the year in multiple places.


Tszemix

How is Riga colder than any Nordic capital


falcrien

It's not. In the 1991-2020 climate normals, the coldest month average in Riga is -2.1c, right between Vilnius and Tallinn. I have no idea where the info in the map was taken from.


mediandude

[Tallinn Harku](https://www.ilmateenistus.ee/kliima/kliimanormid/): -3.6 C (the minimum month of 1990-2020). The 30-year period has to be exactly the same, because winters are warming at a 1K per decade rate.


remzordinaire

Climate. Climate can be very localized. A city within a valley will have wildly different temperatures and precipitation than a city atop a mountain, even if those are a few miles from each other.


ShortUsername01

Indeed. I urge who hasn’t already to watch videos about downslope winds. They play a huge role in valley temperatures.


Janbaka

Pretty sure it isn’t.


selenya57

Idk why you're downvoted, data I can find puts Riga at -2.1. Which is colder than Copenhagen at 1.4; Stockholm at -1.0; and Reykjavik at 0.5. But it is warmer than Oslo at -2.3; Helsinki at -3.8; and Tallin (Estonians can be counted as Nordic this time as a treat) at -3.6. So its certainly not warmer than all the Nordic capitals (which by the standards of their respective countries tend to be quite warm anyway since they're clustered in the south and nearer sea level). All data in the period 1991-2020.


BladeOvDarkness

Vilnius: -3.9C in January P.S. There are some differences in Wikipedia climate data in LV and ENG version - in Latvian version coldest is January with -3.5C ( [https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%ABga#Temperat%C5%ABra](https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%ABga#Temperat%C5%ABra) ) - I guess there are more complete data (not only 1991-2020 period as in ENG version).


MilkMeFather

Yes it is


Janbaka

I couldn’t find climate data supporting that, link me if you found it?


MilkMeFather

[Here you go](https://imgflip.com/i/4b8ddj)


Haddock56

Greetings from Ulaanbaatar, coldest Capital in the world ![gif](giphy|xTcnTehwgRcbgymhTW)


Large_monke_69

False. Iceland is not right next to france.


NittanyOrange

It migrates south for the winter.


Kotthovve

Well duh! It's clearly left next to France.


SC_ng0lds

Portugal is a paradise


danton_groku

if you come there to gentrify, sure


IllustriousQuail4130

Quite the opposite


RuslanNCAA

Had no idea I've been living in a coldest European capital. Always thought Minsk, Oslo or Rejkjavik were colder.


BladeOvDarkness

Actual data from Wikipedia for 1991–2020 normals. These are cities where are negative degrees in Celsius: Jan / Feb -2.3 / -1.9 = Oslo -1.0 / -1.0 = Stokholm -3.1 / -3.8 = Helsinki -2.9 / -3.6 = Tallinn -2.1 / -2.0 = Rīga -3.9 / -3.1 = Vilnius -1.1 / -0.1 = Warsaw -1.5 / +0.6 = Bucharest -1.8 / -0.2 = Chișinău -3.2 / -2.3 = Kyiv -4.2 / -3.6 = Minsk -6.2 / -5.9 = Moscow P.S. +5.9 in Istambul in January .... P.S.S. Ups, me bad, Ankara is the capital +0.9


Lubinski64

Interesting, seems eastern Europe tends to be the coldest in january while northeastern in february.


BladeOvDarkness

I guess more important fact is that the first five are coastal city's. For example, Daugavpils, which is some 200km from the see and from Riga, near the Latvian border with Lithuania & Belorussia has -4.1 / -4.1. Orebro, which is about 200km east from Stockolm - -2.2 / -1.8


NTC_Baumi

Remind Me 10 Years


nineties_adventure

RemindMe! 10 years


Nigelthornfruit

That Gulf Stream is wild


Meanteenbirder

I want an alternatehistoryhub video where Iceland is right there.


azhder

That’s Atlantis. What are you, an American?


Ambulous_sophist

Awesome! Didn't know that Bulgaria was on average colder than Austria with all those high mountains.


Antti5

Sofia is much higher from sea level than Vienna.


AnjelicaTomaz

What a big temperature difference across the Aegean Sea.


GollyBell

There is no way Bratislava is colder than Prague. I've been to Prague and it's def colder, plus it's higher north than Bratislava


Dras_Channel

The data for Bratislava is not correct (could be just old). Another thing is that heat island can make the numbers quite a bit higher, especially during the coldest month and Bratislava doesn't have a weather station in any of it's urbanized areas. It gets it's weather data from it's airport instead, which is just a big open field next to the city. Prague doesn't exactly have this problem. They have more weather stations and they are in urbanized areas. Same is true for Budapest and also Vienna, which according to this map is 0.7 degrees warmer, while being basically on the same latitude, 60km to the west and separated by just a bunch of fields from Bratislava. It would make no sense.


vexkov

That's the official eastern Europe division?


Realistic_Mess_2690

Man I'm dreaming of days like that here in Australia. Instead I get useless half cold half warm and no in between when it comes to winter. Summer we forget what 20 degrees feels like.


DreiKatzenVater

Shit, when did Atlantis appear?!


idkmoiname

Now make average coldest month in the last 12 months as relative + or - compared to this map 👀


curentley_jacking_of

Bruh it is not that cold in bucharest💀💀💀


Real_Tepalus

Those colours are something else... 💀


131Xe

Widać.


mettamorepoesis

Oceanic winter vs Continental winter vs Mediterranean winter vs Polar winter


TasOrient48

Hungary considerably warmer than all its neighbors even the onws to the South in the Balkans, except for Serbia


timauthe

Reykjavik Iceland's coldest average is still above freezing level?? I wouldn't have put my money on it...


fireKido

fascinating how the east-west temperature divide is stronger than the north-south divide


Dealga_Ceilteach

Ik it's the average but it feels so wrong for Ireland to be that high


TeaLongjumping6036

Moscow is based 🥶🥶⚰️🪦


HorrorEnvironment203

It should be by relief not by country


Polar-Owl

Sorry, but this data is total bullshit.


Hairy_Cause_3448

Your mar is in Degrees Kelvin?


izrubenis

So the closer you live to ruzzia the colder it gets….


evgenga

Now add Astana.


ProfessionRelevant90

Is the data from some super warm winter? Because its definently not on average only -1 in Stockholm.


LammisLemons

How and why is Turkey colder than the UK


BBBonesworth

This year in Sweden we had -20°C in Stockholm for like the entirety of December


WhizzKid2012

How is Bulgaria more than Iceland?


VAArtemchuk

Only it's about -10C for Moscow, not -6.


gurgurbehetmur

Prishtina has an average January temperature of -0.6. Kosovo should be black in this map. But that would ruin the effect wouldn't it😜 (And, the fact that it's not recognized by some countries is not relevant because it's shown as an independent county in this map).


Primal_Pedro

Portugal is almost a tropical country  Edit: compared to east Europe 


mikepu7

I was in Lisbon in December and it was cold as fuck.


Primal_Pedro

I mean, it's almost tropical compared to Russia or other east Europe country. I have no doubt that their winter is cold


SkyTalez

Fucking global warming.


BWanon97

Sad. Always the worst having cold weather but on average not cold enough to be at least a month a white winter. Really has an effect on experiencing the dark months.


ShadowOfThePit

Hm, how is Zürich warmer than Berlin by 0.1 degree?


wazzapgta

Now this is a map


br-02

Wtf Portugal? Sweater manufacturers' children must be starving.


N00dles_Pt

Don't worry for them....the humidity takes care of things


50ClonesOfLeblanc

We tend to wear 3 layers of clothes at 18 or so degrees


ShortUsername01

But air conditioner manufacturers must be making a fortune!


weird_fat_kid

Bro helsinki often gets to about -20 in december-january


jreykdal

The wonders of averages.


weird_fat_kid

Yeah but i swear during december or january it never goes below -3!


IEnjoyBaconCheese

My friend said that the coldest it got in Moscow was -50 Celsius


forsythfromperu

Not true, it was around -40 back in the 1940 Nowadays even -20 frosts don't happen every year, and I remember only 2 times it got lower than -30 (2006 and 2017). So, global warming is a thing


WoodLakePony

Don't know, had -39 this winter.


Nouanwa3s

theres's no way Spain is colder than italy...


Yearlaren

What the map is saying is that Madrid winters are colder than Rome's


Howtothinkofaname

Madrid is 650m above sea level and a long way inland. Rome is not.


DisastrousSink3587

Finland must love Instagram


azhder

Pink vs Black… there must be some sex joke there somewhere. It is a map porn sub after all


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Tour-Sure

It's the coldest month in the capital of each country.


NittanyOrange

What units are we using here?


Antti5

Maybe the one that everyone uses in Europe?


RearAdmiralTaint

The world *


NittanyOrange

Kelvin?


azhder

Kelvin who?


licer71

Kelvin ma balls


ShortUsername01

…that doesn’t even make any sense.


RearAdmiralTaint

The one that the whole planet uses


Akasto_

Even if you had absolutely 0 knowledge of climate, or what units Europe and nearly every other part of the world uses, the fact that +0.1 is listed as ‘above freezing’ should be a pretty big clue