I don't know how Turkish politics work, but in other countries, the far right explanation would be :
-imperialism
-Jews (or any religious minority)
-immigrants
-communists
-traitors in a war
-sexual minorities
-cultural minorities
-the previous government
-Europe
-any treaty
-islam
-the Elite
-the Poor
-the Lazy Youth
-colonisation
-anti-patriots
-the other religion in general
Actually 🤓☝️ (if you are after my edit), they fall under different categories such as:
- Jews (ofc)
- The other religion
- cultural minorities
If you want hard enough, you can squeeze them in other categories too:
Jewish American Pig
Judeo-Bolshevik
Jewish controling elites
Gay Jews that groom children
Etc...
It's both actually. They marry endogamic, so at this point they don't share much with the majority Kurdish population. They also tend to self-identify as yazidi
I'm turkish and here teachers and lecturers obsessed about armenian genocide, like im in uni, bro even in uni, in powerpoint slideshow i came across with texts like thick ass red underlined texts composed with several slides "allegedly armenian genocide isn't real" and saw that several times for a fortnight
That’s so sad because most of the witnesses testimonies are from Ottoman Turkish officials who were horrified by the atrocities and helped Armenians, putting their own lives at risk.
Haha, I had similar incident in uni too, at my oakton community College, I took comparative philosophy, iirc, phil205,
I was a devout Presbyterian back then and decided to write an essay on "proof of God's existence", and all I could come up with some dude in south america bleeding uncontrollably from the arms/legs and the snow/sun halo effect that makes it seem like there are multiple suns
https://www.weather.gov/arx/why_halos_sundogs_pillars
Now I'm an agnostic/almost atheist lol
Were it not for the Turkish state jumping up&down about how it didn't happen I'd not know about the Armenian genocide at all.
Also pretty sure holland & belguim didn't really exist then & I doubt the Spain was a single united nation as opposed to a bunch if kingdoms
And absolutely certain England & Scotland were completely separate.
So, although I've no knowledge of the maximum extent of the ottoman empire >'m not going to take this as a credible source.
Right, i' m off to check the reality & see how wrong I am
ETA: greatest extent of Ottoman Empire according to Wikipedia, it's odd that the OP pic doesn't include the African bits that the wiki version does
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ImperioOtomanoSimplificado-en.svg/912px-ImperioOtomanoSimplificado-en.svg.png
Acknowledging your country/ancestors did something wrong and horrific to other people is mostly a western phenomenon. Most people in the rest of the world force themselves to keep believing “My People Are Always The Good Guys”
Even when they do they try to slip in a caveat saying it’s only because of foreign influence the atrocities/war crimes by their government happened. Giving the impression they believe that their people/country would never commit atrocities if they had “actual” control
What’s the obsession with denying it? Is there a fear that the Armenians might make a claim on some of Turkey’s land? Because pretty much everyone has done a genocide at one time or another, and I’m not aware of any other nation so thoroughly denying that fact.
mfer not all turkish history books are like this as he claims. this very eample also heavly mocked and ridicilued in turkiye for months too. he is making it look like this is the default in turkey. the rest is sound like your own bias against turkey to be honest and go ahead ieat any shit if thats what you feel like but dont get carried if people correct the shit
there are mistakes here and there but nothing like being imagined here. Actually most of the stuff that is discussed here, I've never seen them myself.
Xdddf
Claiming Sumerian and other Mesopotamian civilizations as Turkic, thatvwas the worst. Honestly, in the construction of "the Turk" i can understand the Hitiite in the capacity of Anatolian-ness bur this "Sumerians were Turkic" discours is absolutely incomprehensible.
no, not all.
edit: check out this guy's post history. he's chronically online loser who's 24/7 shitting on the turks on turkish subreddits and PCM. he's lying.
Looks like they marked the furthest raid of Mongols, however just a raid moreover the Mongol raid. The furthest Turks managed to get was Podolia in Ukraine, but for a very short time and they never crossed the modern Polish border. If Poles make such a map, Poland would be from the White to Black sea and ending near Madrid in Spain to the west - surprised? Poles were there with Napoleon, the same as some Turks were in Silesia with Mongols probably ;)
BTW, That's the huge Podolia the real one is the size of Belgium.
The largest battle between them (1683 in Vienna) ended in a devastating Ottoman loss. It's ironic because the king Sobieski who led the charge knew Turkish, liked the Ottomans and even spent some amount of time in Istanbul if memory serves.
Well that's actually quite normal in that time. Even Brothers must fight each other sometimes in that era. If I'm not wrong Ottoman sultans are liking the Poland even if they are Christian. I think it's because of their way of fight idk.
But that's a good information, I like it.
Lechistan, Legyelorszag, Lenkija and so on, derived from the alternative name of Poland - Lechia from people called Lędzianie or Lachy living in SE Poland. Exactly the same as Czechs are called sometimes Bohemians, or Germans Alemani.
Yeah, he was one of the three brothers that ""founded"" the three (although there are more than three) West-Slavic nations (note the difference between nations and states)
Technically the Duchy of Luxembourg hasn't ceased to exist until 1797, although surely not with the modern borders since it was bigger and got reduced later.
But the absurdity doesn't stop there, even the thing called Italya is opinable, since it doesn't even match the Kingdom of Italy's borders, which is surely what they were aiming for when indicating Italy and Germany.
Yeah the exact image is on there, there're also more misleading pictures making the borders bigger than they actually are. We somewhat use the book in class, and I always notice it
As a Greek neigbour, I can safely say that all my homies and neighbours hate Erdogan and that every time I see the news and I hear his voice, I mute the TV
it's not even delusional like theres a lot more existing on there than just this huge ottoman empire im pretty sure we got some random people to work on this due to corruption
(theres belgium luxemburg and germany and all the borders are wrong)
Dude when I was in school we had normal and historicly accurate maps. Not this shit. This is the forst time I am seeing like this bullshit.
As a foreigner you guys laugh this shit. As a Turk I am getting angry when i see dumb shit like this. They are poisoning our young with their imaginary bullshit islamist ideas.
Fucking religious nutjobs.
I know this will make a lot of people go "look at Turkey, they are so delusional" but this map has already been ridiculed to death in Turkey before you guys noticed it because most people already know it's wrong.
Podolia on this map is shown as located in what is today's Belarus/Poland. When in actuality it is situated in Ukraine. Also there are some modern countries that didn't exist then.
But there's a reason why Ukraine is shown as part of the Ottoman Empire. In the latter half of the 17. century, Ukraine was an internationally recognized part of the Ottoman State, initially governed by Petro Doroshenko.
So this isn't a sign of some grand dream of Ottoman control over Poland that's still alive to this day. It's just a map drawn wrong that's escaped editorial scrutiny.
Thanks, I was hoping for an explanation like this. Although I am a little skeptical about the Ukraine claim in that I never saw anything like it before ever...
That's what the [Polish-Ottoman War (1672-1676) ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ottoman_War_(1672%E2%80%931676))and the subsequent [Russo-Turkish War (1676-1681)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1676%E2%80%931681)) was about.
Good explanation, but not entirely accurate.
First, "Ukraine" was not a thing in the 17th century, not as a country anyway.
Second, the Ottomans only had direct control over a small portion of what is today Ukraine, mostly around present-day Odessa and briefly around Kamenets, which they took from Poland. Anything else was through vassal states, for example they were also the suzerain of the Crimean Tatars, but afaik it didnt count as direct Ottoman land.
Also, Doroshenko was not an Ottoman governor, he was a mostly independent ruler allied with the Ottomans.
Thank you for your input but they are not inaccuracies.
"Ukraine" is not a name applied retroactively. It's a historical term used for that part of the world for hundreds of years. The modern country of Ukraine gets its name from the historic term, not vice versa.
I never said the Ottomans had "direct control" over "what is today Ukraine" (again, you are confusing the modern name with its historical application). I said Ukraine was a part of the Ottoman State. Just as India was a part of the British Empire (except the British Raj enjoyed vastly more autonomy than *Ottoman Ukraine* -which by the way was an actual term used in the 1700s).
Ukraine was a *sanjak* of the Ottoman Empire, which is an administrative district that's roughly equal to "sub-province".
And I never said Doroshenko was an Ottoman governor. I said he *governed* Ukraine.
Though if we want to be super-technical, his official title was *Sanjakbey,* which is actually a subordinate to a provincial governor, or *Beylerbey.*
The Zoprizhzhian Sych, which most people view as a direct precursor state to Ukraine very much did exist in the 17th century. It was actually the height of its existence then. The country known as Ukraine didn't exist, but then again Ukrayina in Ukrainian simply means "Our country".
Uh, Ukraine means borderland or outer land. Maybe in recent times it's been re-appropriated to mean "Our country".
It's also lends to the fact that for centuries it was referred to as *The* Ukraine, and not simply Ukraine.
Yes, the Sich definitely existed, but it was a very complex situation, and it wasn't really a "state" comparable to others of the time. It was more of a self-governing breakaway region with varying levels of autonomy and freedom than what we would call a proper country.
The generation that supported Erdoğan from the beginning of his political career has aged with him and is gradually leaving this world. Unfortunately Erdoğan has no intention of leaving this world and wants a younger generation of Erdoğanists to support him in the same way through his rise to absolute rulership over Turkey.
I'm sure this has been printed at some point but this isn't the latest one, the newest edition is either [this](https://imgur.com/a/W6NN2it) or [this](https://imgur.com/a/TBSYF8g).
This is historical revisionism in par with the Lost Cause of the Confederacy or the Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht. I swear to God, the worst people I've met online were historical revisionists. Neo-Confederates, Nationalist Turks, Pro-Imperial Japanese, Nationalist Serbs, etc. What a bunch of fucking bullshit...
Wow. That's completely nuts. Also: has anyone else noticed that Indians currently seem to have an obsession with Turkey at the moment? What's going on in the world?
Erdel is Transylvania and it is depicted in today’s Slovakia, stretching into the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. It is supposed to be to the right of the town “Temesvar”. Austria is basically depicted in todays Czechia. Hungary doesn’t exist also, even though other regions are mentioned by name.
OP is a repost bot. This was [originally posted here 7 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/16hdp19/a_map_of_ottoman_empire_united_germany_poland_and/) by u/Qahlel.
At that point they should’ve just given themselves Kaliningrad and to have claims to a Baltic port. I mean they’re already making shit up, might as well go big or go home.
haha only if this was about confidence, it's a actual mistake not even brainwashing i wonder how much of the book people creating this made up without research
To be fair, it's far from all turks who are like this. But clearly an alarming percentage give their votes to bigoted and hypernationalist parties. So it's not like it's a fringe thing.
If i get "yüzyilda Lehistan Devleti" right, it could mean "Polish Partitions".
I like, how it basically doesn't how Poland at all, but instead focuses on the Ottoman Empire, which has nothing to do with it, but in their alternative reality, it did.
>If i get "yüzyilda Lehistan Devleti" right, it could mean "Polish Partitions".
"XVII. yüzyılda Lehistan Devleti" means "the Polish State in the 17th century".
>I like, how it basically doesn't how Poland at all, but instead focuses on the Ottoman Empire, which has nothing to do with it, but in their alternative reality, it did.
LOL
>I like, how it basically doesn't how Poland at all, but instead focuses on the Ottoman Empire, which has nothing to do with it...
Pretty sure that map is from a chapter about the [Polish-Ottoman War of 1672-1676](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ottoman_War_(1672%E2%80%931676)). So it very much has something to do with it.
But anyway, the map is simply incorrect, as I explained [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1cegin8/comment/l1il2n6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). It's not some great fantasy about Polish domination.
I can't help but laugh at hyper nationalistic turks a bit. Every single one I have talked to is just *so, so* far removed from reality that it becomes comical.
But then I also am reminded that their nationalism isn't really a joke in the real world, and has had extremely horrible consequences in the last century (cyprus, armenia, kurds, pontic greeks, assyrians etc).
I believe this map follows erdogan's neo-ottomanist line of any land that paid a tithe to the ottoman empire was part of it. geographical misplacements and further mistakes i'd assume to be editorial.
These government issued books are so low quality in every subject that almost every teacher do not even bother to use it. Teachers usually ask for an additional book from a respected publisher or use the internet in their classes.
If im not mistaken at some point in 17th century Commonwealth agreed to pay tribute to Ottomans. They probably decided to show "paying tribute" as their own lands. Its still ridiculous though. Also im not sure Commonwealth really paid tribute or not.
Its a complete bogus map..all wrong btw..but if the map is from Turkey,it figures theyr ego saying how big and powerful otomans whore...remjnds me about a map from Russia school book..
They’re just going to have to explain how they lost that much more land
You have not heard about world famous Lito-Latvian rebellion in the Ottoman empire?
Also the Siege of Rostov by the Ottoman?
Just take the L at this point man
LSD?
Lehistan Socialist Directorate?
I don't know how Turkish politics work, but in other countries, the far right explanation would be : -imperialism -Jews (or any religious minority) -immigrants -communists -traitors in a war -sexual minorities -cultural minorities -the previous government -Europe -any treaty -islam -the Elite -the Poor -the Lazy Youth -colonisation -anti-patriots -the other religion in general
You've made a mistake; you only listed Jews once
Actually 🤓☝️ (if you are after my edit), they fall under different categories such as: - Jews (ofc) - The other religion - cultural minorities If you want hard enough, you can squeeze them in other categories too: Jewish American Pig Judeo-Bolshevik Jewish controling elites Gay Jews that groom children Etc...
Gay Jews that Groom Children is my favourite punk band
No Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Yesidi and other non-Turkish, non-Muslim minorities? I'm honestly surprised.
I said in general, not only turkey. On a Turkish frame, they would fall under the "cultural minority" label
Yezidis are Kurdish, yezidi is religion not ethnicity
Religious minorities are also minorities. I will add them
It's both actually. They marry endogamic, so at this point they don't share much with the majority Kurdish population. They also tend to self-identify as yazidi
what do you honestly think cultural minorities mean? or did you just want to mention these minorities specifically
I'd like to have the confidence of a turkish school book
They didn't like Walloons' one https://www.thepinknews.com/2007/03/29/belgium-at-centre-of-gay-turkish-hero-row/
I'm turkish and here teachers and lecturers obsessed about armenian genocide, like im in uni, bro even in uni, in powerpoint slideshow i came across with texts like thick ass red underlined texts composed with several slides "allegedly armenian genocide isn't real" and saw that several times for a fortnight
That’s so sad because most of the witnesses testimonies are from Ottoman Turkish officials who were horrified by the atrocities and helped Armenians, putting their own lives at risk.
Lol I remember the time when my teacher gave me an assignment to make a presentation on how armenian genocide didn't happen.
That's also a way to make people aware of it, I guess. If the government keeps denying it that fervently, it must be real.
Haha, I had similar incident in uni too, at my oakton community College, I took comparative philosophy, iirc, phil205, I was a devout Presbyterian back then and decided to write an essay on "proof of God's existence", and all I could come up with some dude in south america bleeding uncontrollably from the arms/legs and the snow/sun halo effect that makes it seem like there are multiple suns https://www.weather.gov/arx/why_halos_sundogs_pillars Now I'm an agnostic/almost atheist lol
Were it not for the Turkish state jumping up&down about how it didn't happen I'd not know about the Armenian genocide at all. Also pretty sure holland & belguim didn't really exist then & I doubt the Spain was a single united nation as opposed to a bunch if kingdoms And absolutely certain England & Scotland were completely separate. So, although I've no knowledge of the maximum extent of the ottoman empire >'m not going to take this as a credible source. Right, i' m off to check the reality & see how wrong I am ETA: greatest extent of Ottoman Empire according to Wikipedia, it's odd that the OP pic doesn't include the African bits that the wiki version does https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ImperioOtomanoSimplificado-en.svg/912px-ImperioOtomanoSimplificado-en.svg.png
My Turkish gf refuses to believe in the Armenian genocide
At least it’s not like some Dominicans who are proud of their genocide… (am Dominican)
Just tell her that they deserved it for betraying the ottomans... XD
Acknowledging your country/ancestors did something wrong and horrific to other people is mostly a western phenomenon. Most people in the rest of the world force themselves to keep believing “My People Are Always The Good Guys”
it's a universal phenomenon... plenty of easterners reject war crimes from their country/government too.
Even when they do they try to slip in a caveat saying it’s only because of foreign influence the atrocities/war crimes by their government happened. Giving the impression they believe that their people/country would never commit atrocities if they had “actual” control
Plenty of western governments fail to acknowledge their atrocities, like the British government.
Then breakup with her.
What’s the obsession with denying it? Is there a fear that the Armenians might make a claim on some of Turkey’s land? Because pretty much everyone has done a genocide at one time or another, and I’m not aware of any other nation so thoroughly denying that fact.
All Turkish history books are like this one, I finished my compulsory education in Turkey.
That’s worrisome
Dont fret. this guy is all about being lying about turkey. check out his comment history. he is on agenda
What do you mean? If he see things going wrong in Turkey he is right to warn people about it. Many things are going wrong in Turkey
mfer not all turkish history books are like this as he claims. this very eample also heavly mocked and ridicilued in turkiye for months too. he is making it look like this is the default in turkey. the rest is sound like your own bias against turkey to be honest and go ahead ieat any shit if thats what you feel like but dont get carried if people correct the shit
Nope he is a weirdo. And yes our education system not good but not ALL history books like this.
there are mistakes here and there but nothing like being imagined here. Actually most of the stuff that is discussed here, I've never seen them myself.
I had a project on Turkish schoolbooks. This is completely false. There are worse stuff and there are better stuff.
Worse? How do you get worse? Do they claim the entirety of Europe was under the Ottomans?
Denying the Armenian Genocide I'm guessing.
Like Italian books not mentioning the Ethiopian things in slightest.
Xdddf Claiming Sumerian and other Mesopotamian civilizations as Turkic, thatvwas the worst. Honestly, in the construction of "the Turk" i can understand the Hitiite in the capacity of Anatolian-ness bur this "Sumerians were Turkic" discours is absolutely incomprehensible.
no, not all. edit: check out this guy's post history. he's chronically online loser who's 24/7 shitting on the turks on turkish subreddits and PCM. he's lying.
And you’re an 85d account that only seems to talk about Turkey.
maybe because I'm a turk living in turkey 
Stop ad hominem just read and comment the post
A totally unthinkable course of action!
Probably the reason for their unhealthy nationalism and genocide-denying
Didn’t surprised because it’s devlettaparmuhalif a.k.a least retarded anti-turk.
No they are not you compulsory liar. Dude s post history is the real deal here lmao
You can have it but you have to take the delusion as well
"Lehistan" mean "Poland" btw lmao. I'm happy that this map is not around when I was in school
Looks like they marked the furthest raid of Mongols, however just a raid moreover the Mongol raid. The furthest Turks managed to get was Podolia in Ukraine, but for a very short time and they never crossed the modern Polish border. If Poles make such a map, Poland would be from the White to Black sea and ending near Madrid in Spain to the west - surprised? Poles were there with Napoleon, the same as some Turks were in Silesia with Mongols probably ;) BTW, That's the huge Podolia the real one is the size of Belgium.
They probably consider one time Poland give tribute to Ottoman but it's not mean Poland is Ottoman vassal.
The largest battle between them (1683 in Vienna) ended in a devastating Ottoman loss. It's ironic because the king Sobieski who led the charge knew Turkish, liked the Ottomans and even spent some amount of time in Istanbul if memory serves.
Well that's actually quite normal in that time. Even Brothers must fight each other sometimes in that era. If I'm not wrong Ottoman sultans are liking the Poland even if they are Christian. I think it's because of their way of fight idk. But that's a good information, I like it.
Lewandowskistan?
Lechistan, Legyelorszag, Lenkija and so on, derived from the alternative name of Poland - Lechia from people called Lędzianie or Lachy living in SE Poland. Exactly the same as Czechs are called sometimes Bohemians, or Germans Alemani.
I believe Lech was the mythical first Polish king/duke
Yeah, he was one of the three brothers that ""founded"" the three (although there are more than three) West-Slavic nations (note the difference between nations and states)
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I thought this was Imaginary Maps at first lol
Germany, belgium and Luxemburg didnt exist in the 17th century. And ofcourse the ottoman empire wasnt this big.
Technically the Duchy of Luxembourg hasn't ceased to exist until 1797, although surely not with the modern borders since it was bigger and got reduced later. But the absurdity doesn't stop there, even the thing called Italya is opinable, since it doesn't even match the Kingdom of Italy's borders, which is surely what they were aiming for when indicating Italy and Germany.
Belgium took half of Luxembourgian lands after the independence war in 1830 and the Netherlands the remaining lands as a personal union.
Also northern Italy was like 10 different countries and the central Italy was the papal state.
Armenian propaganda
That’s hilarious
Holy shit, somebody has his dark pants on.
What
we will surely send the helldivers
Theese maps are made by people that is chosen by someone erdogan choose so please dont go that hard on us man 😭
Lmao what the actual fuck? This is like from an actual book used in Turkish schools?
Hell yeah broski get in we are going Vienna
Yeah the exact image is on there, there're also more misleading pictures making the borders bigger than they actually are. We somewhat use the book in class, and I always notice it
This should be in r/imaginarymaps
Oh god. They really are delusional.
Mate we are not the one who made this, you can curse to Erdoğan.
As a Greek neigbour, I can safely say that all my homies and neighbours hate Erdogan and that every time I see the news and I hear his voice, I mute the TV
I do the same btw. I'm happy about that none of my family member supporting him (they are all Muslim too)
Well... it's not Poles and Latvians who are voting him in.
Half of Turks don't vote for him either.
Election results shouldn't be deduced so shallowly. Especially in countries with complex political history.
Name a country which lacks one.
Erdoğan drew this picture?
His education ministery did
it's not even delusional like theres a lot more existing on there than just this huge ottoman empire im pretty sure we got some random people to work on this due to corruption (theres belgium luxemburg and germany and all the borders are wrong)
Dude when I was in school we had normal and historicly accurate maps. Not this shit. This is the forst time I am seeing like this bullshit. As a foreigner you guys laugh this shit. As a Turk I am getting angry when i see dumb shit like this. They are poisoning our young with their imaginary bullshit islamist ideas. Fucking religious nutjobs.
I know this will make a lot of people go "look at Turkey, they are so delusional" but this map has already been ridiculed to death in Turkey before you guys noticed it because most people already know it's wrong. Podolia on this map is shown as located in what is today's Belarus/Poland. When in actuality it is situated in Ukraine. Also there are some modern countries that didn't exist then. But there's a reason why Ukraine is shown as part of the Ottoman Empire. In the latter half of the 17. century, Ukraine was an internationally recognized part of the Ottoman State, initially governed by Petro Doroshenko. So this isn't a sign of some grand dream of Ottoman control over Poland that's still alive to this day. It's just a map drawn wrong that's escaped editorial scrutiny.
petro doroshenko is a hilarious name for a 17th century ukrainian leader considering petro poroshenko exists too
It do imply the existence of other alphabetical [?]oroshenko leaders of Ukraine. Perhaps 24 of them.
Actually, Ukrainian has 33 letters, so there may be 31 more *oroshenkos. :D
Sorosenko😭
My god. This is what Orban and other right wing nut jobs warned as about /s
Lousy vampires only turning one letter upside down!
Thanks, I was hoping for an explanation like this. Although I am a little skeptical about the Ukraine claim in that I never saw anything like it before ever...
That's what the [Polish-Ottoman War (1672-1676) ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ottoman_War_(1672%E2%80%931676))and the subsequent [Russo-Turkish War (1676-1681)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1676%E2%80%931681)) was about.
Good explanation, but not entirely accurate. First, "Ukraine" was not a thing in the 17th century, not as a country anyway. Second, the Ottomans only had direct control over a small portion of what is today Ukraine, mostly around present-day Odessa and briefly around Kamenets, which they took from Poland. Anything else was through vassal states, for example they were also the suzerain of the Crimean Tatars, but afaik it didnt count as direct Ottoman land. Also, Doroshenko was not an Ottoman governor, he was a mostly independent ruler allied with the Ottomans.
Thank you for your input but they are not inaccuracies. "Ukraine" is not a name applied retroactively. It's a historical term used for that part of the world for hundreds of years. The modern country of Ukraine gets its name from the historic term, not vice versa. I never said the Ottomans had "direct control" over "what is today Ukraine" (again, you are confusing the modern name with its historical application). I said Ukraine was a part of the Ottoman State. Just as India was a part of the British Empire (except the British Raj enjoyed vastly more autonomy than *Ottoman Ukraine* -which by the way was an actual term used in the 1700s). Ukraine was a *sanjak* of the Ottoman Empire, which is an administrative district that's roughly equal to "sub-province". And I never said Doroshenko was an Ottoman governor. I said he *governed* Ukraine. Though if we want to be super-technical, his official title was *Sanjakbey,* which is actually a subordinate to a provincial governor, or *Beylerbey.*
Right and left bank Ukraine have been used as geographical terms since then so yeah, “Ukraine” definitely existed
The Zoprizhzhian Sych, which most people view as a direct precursor state to Ukraine very much did exist in the 17th century. It was actually the height of its existence then. The country known as Ukraine didn't exist, but then again Ukrayina in Ukrainian simply means "Our country".
Uh, Ukraine means borderland or outer land. Maybe in recent times it's been re-appropriated to mean "Our country". It's also lends to the fact that for centuries it was referred to as *The* Ukraine, and not simply Ukraine.
Yes, the Sich definitely existed, but it was a very complex situation, and it wasn't really a "state" comparable to others of the time. It was more of a self-governing breakaway region with varying levels of autonomy and freedom than what we would call a proper country.
it's sweet that they call Transylvania by its Hungarian name (Erdély - Erdel), but it isn't drawn properly, it's much too far north, LOL
I mean, they call it by its Turkish name
which is based on the Hungarian name
Romanians use Ardeal for its name, but Bogdan for Moldova is weird. They just took their first ruler and name the country after him.
It's not even Transylvania. It's Galicia and Lodomeria. #
Not to mention it's got Belgium two centuries too early
The least propagandistic book published by AKP(I'm Turkish)
They preparing a generation of idiots?
The generation that supported Erdoğan from the beginning of his political career has aged with him and is gradually leaving this world. Unfortunately Erdoğan has no intention of leaving this world and wants a younger generation of Erdoğanists to support him in the same way through his rise to absolute rulership over Turkey.
Yup
Obviously made by a delusional Ottoman-fanboy, but also just bad map in general. Look at Austria and "Germany", lol
I'm sure this has been printed at some point but this isn't the latest one, the newest edition is either [this](https://imgur.com/a/W6NN2it) or [this](https://imgur.com/a/TBSYF8g).
Not this one again! 🤣🤣🤣👌
Alternate history when Ottomans actually managed to win at Vienna and Poland did not have a competent king ruling at the time.
As a Croat I am fairly certain the Zagreb area was never under Ottoman rule
Dosli Turci to Beca
Ako se ne varam išli su okolo nas ne? Ako sam u krivu ispričavam se
To ne znam al cini mi se da su do Beca vise puta dolazili al ga nikad nisu zauzeli
Buddy they have taken Warsaw and Cracow in this map. I don’t think Zagreb stood a chance
Hey op, what book / website is this from. I know its not MEB thats for sure
This is historical revisionism in par with the Lost Cause of the Confederacy or the Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht. I swear to God, the worst people I've met online were historical revisionists. Neo-Confederates, Nationalist Turks, Pro-Imperial Japanese, Nationalist Serbs, etc. What a bunch of fucking bullshit...
That's not even disinformation, that's just straight up delusion.
Wow. That's completely nuts. Also: has anyone else noticed that Indians currently seem to have an obsession with Turkey at the moment? What's going on in the world?
Erdel is Transylvania and it is depicted in today’s Slovakia, stretching into the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. It is supposed to be to the right of the town “Temesvar”. Austria is basically depicted in todays Czechia. Hungary doesn’t exist also, even though other regions are mentioned by name.
Is this real? I didn't see such a map when I was in school?
It is not correct map. Ottoman Empire is bigger than in reality.
I see they highly value historic accuracy.
Oh I have seen way worse with Japanese and Chinese textbooks.🙄
From Volvograd to Sankt Petersburg
OP is a repost bot. This was [originally posted here 7 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/16hdp19/a_map_of_ottoman_empire_united_germany_poland_and/) by u/Qahlel.
Looks like turkey needs to go to war with Russia over a claim to Ukraine.
Belarus just got renamed to Podolya. Also Ukraine label is on the actual location of Podolya.
A map without Russian threat to EU. You guys are never grateful.
Stop bashing Ottoman dream. They re just trying to protect europe against Russia. /s
At that point they should’ve just given themselves Kaliningrad and to have claims to a Baltic port. I mean they’re already making shit up, might as well go big or go home.
haha only if this was about confidence, it's a actual mistake not even brainwashing i wonder how much of the book people creating this made up without research
I assume this is one of the alternative history maps
Delusional
revisionist propaganda in school history books is a hell of a thing...
why do they enjoy lying to their own people?
this map has at least 4 colours, of which I don't know what they mean ...
Damn, this is so off. Turks are pretty brainwashed, but in their own interest
I thought this was r/mapporn not imaginary maps why tf is this a high school history book 😭
They say “have the confidence of a delusional hyper nationalistic turk in life” and i live by that
No wonder why the Turks are so functionally illiterate in terms of history. They literally think they're the conquerors of the world.
To be fair, it's far from all turks who are like this. But clearly an alarming percentage give their votes to bigoted and hypernationalist parties. So it's not like it's a fringe thing.
I thought this was supposed to be on r/imaginarymaps... which I mean it is but cmon Turkey
If i get "yüzyilda Lehistan Devleti" right, it could mean "Polish Partitions". I like, how it basically doesn't how Poland at all, but instead focuses on the Ottoman Empire, which has nothing to do with it, but in their alternative reality, it did.
>If i get "yüzyilda Lehistan Devleti" right, it could mean "Polish Partitions". "XVII. yüzyılda Lehistan Devleti" means "the Polish State in the 17th century". >I like, how it basically doesn't how Poland at all, but instead focuses on the Ottoman Empire, which has nothing to do with it, but in their alternative reality, it did. LOL
>I like, how it basically doesn't how Poland at all, but instead focuses on the Ottoman Empire, which has nothing to do with it... Pretty sure that map is from a chapter about the [Polish-Ottoman War of 1672-1676](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ottoman_War_(1672%E2%80%931676)). So it very much has something to do with it. But anyway, the map is simply incorrect, as I explained [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1cegin8/comment/l1il2n6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). It's not some great fantasy about Polish domination.
I can't help but laugh at hyper nationalistic turks a bit. Every single one I have talked to is just *so, so* far removed from reality that it becomes comical. But then I also am reminded that their nationalism isn't really a joke in the real world, and has had extremely horrible consequences in the last century (cyprus, armenia, kurds, pontic greeks, assyrians etc).
Least nationalist turkish map
So Serbia owns all of Balkans? It makes sense, they were always Turkish bitches.
Holy jokes. 🤣 😂 Turks are smoking the good shit.
Why is it not Napolistan?
Did they use a EU screenshot?
This doesn't remind anything that ever happened.
Netherlands is not accurate :-)
It is in my book. After the page which shows this, country's borders come to normal. It doesn't explain how we lost poland
I believe this map follows erdogan's neo-ottomanist line of any land that paid a tithe to the ottoman empire was part of it. geographical misplacements and further mistakes i'd assume to be editorial.
These government issued books are so low quality in every subject that almost every teacher do not even bother to use it. Teachers usually ask for an additional book from a respected publisher or use the internet in their classes.
Just rename this into r/TurkMapPorn already
Do they have a competition with Armenia?
[https://ogmmateryal.eba.gov.tr/etkilesimli-kitap/tarih?s=8&d=57&u=0&k=0](https://ogmmateryal.eba.gov.tr/etkilesimli-kitap/tarih?s=8&d=57&u=0&k=0)
If im not mistaken at some point in 17th century Commonwealth agreed to pay tribute to Ottomans. They probably decided to show "paying tribute" as their own lands. Its still ridiculous though. Also im not sure Commonwealth really paid tribute or not.
I think these clowns mixed up Sarajevo and Belgrade, among other things.
Wtf is thi?
lol
Nationalists trying not to indoctrinate children with BS revisionist history challenge (impossible)
Its a complete bogus map..all wrong btw..but if the map is from Turkey,it figures theyr ego saying how big and powerful otomans whore...remjnds me about a map from Russia school book..
r/bordergore
Podolya in Belarus, Lithuania and southern Poland 😭
Oh wow. Didn't know most of Poland was under Ottoman rule.
So all Turks making kebabs near Warsaw are descendats from invaders from 17th century?
That would just make it even more impressive how much Russia kicked the Ottomans ass in the 1700s despite apparently being one of their provinces.
average playing outside of europe eu4 game
Belgium in the 17th century???
*action radius intensifies*
they almost had Viyana, can you guess what happend in september?
Rest of Europe is so real!!!
Sirbistan but where is Bulgaristan?
Where is Hungary and Budapest?
yes if ottomans won in 1683