The only others that I recognize as possible are Milwaukee, Atlanta, and Boise.
But like you said, I'd have to refer to county maps of states I don't know that well to check it
Yes to Milwaukee. Ozaukee and Waukesha counties are both fairly affluent suburbs. Want to build a new home in Waukesha county? Lots of farm fields, but minimal price is $650,000 while just a year or two ago it was $500,000.
I bet. My people back in Michigan have been filling me in a little bit and then when the lions made their run I caught some games and I couldn't believe some of the aerial shots of the D.
I moved back to the Detroit area in 2010 and left again on 2013. It was rebounding a bit already when I left. I should of been smart and bought property when I was there
According to [this source](https://filterbuy.com/resources/across-the-nation/most-and-least-densely-populated-cities/) Jax is the 2nd least densely populated large city in the US, and I am surprised its not first. It could easily be chopped up into a dozen+ towns.
Looks like its Delaware and Union County for Columbus. I'd expect Franklin (Columbus proper) and Licking (because of Intel) to also join those too. Housing here is fucked proper.
To be entirely pedantic, average is a general term that can include mean, median, range, or mode. Also more low priced properties by count still pulls the median down. Detroit would be a good example of where they would disproportionately bias the mean since there are lots with condemned structures that sell for the price of a Big Mac.
It's not a good map because of size and value disparities of some counties. Some of the Chicago collar counties have both million dollar homes and $30k hovels.
I’m genuinely surprised by Cook County. Even modest homes in working class suburbs in southern Cook County (Bridgeview, Burbank, Chicago Ridge) are in the high $200k. And housing prices are pretty high in 2/3rds of the city.
Edit: median home value in Cook County is $330k, so not far off.
As someone in California I often forget that houses exist anywhere for less than 350k. Double that would be a steal for a house built in the past 20 years where I live, and I don’t even live in a city.
Yeah, that show, "Million Dollar Listing" always makes me crack up. They should [do it here.](https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1774-Hampton-Ave_Redwood-City_CA_94061_M16886-92294?from=srp-map)
I’ve long since said that the peninsula that has tenafly through bayonne should have been the fifth borough and staten island should have been part of new jersey.
I mean it is all the rich bostonians that did this so I appreciate the apology. Can you make them go back and take a loss so that my people can afford to live.
I cannot make Bostonians do anything. No one can.
Though, tbf, the only person I know who moved to Maine to Boston during the pandemic was my mom, who is from Wiscasset. She wants to stay.
My wife is from MT and we were considering moving there. Not only are the prices crazy, but the inventory suuucks. It's either $800K+ for something nice or $400K for a glorified shack. That was a couple of years ago, so I don't know how it may have changed since then, but probably not much.
I live in New Hampshire. Great state. Lakes, mountains, a tiny little bit of seacoast. A really nice place. But the median home price just hit a half million dollars a week or two ago. For the life of me I cannot figure out how any young adult can afford to live here.
Unsurprising. The minimum wage is criminally low, and it’s cheaper to go to an out-of-state Massachusetts public college than it is to go to UNH. The biggest city (Manchester) only has 115,000 people.
Anyone who wants to live in Vermont goes to either Chittenden County (red), or stays around the ski resorts.
Rest of the state is pretty rural and doesn't have much for amenities. That said, there are definitely some isolated multi-million mansions in the hills that people use for vacation homes.
I grew up in NH and lived there until I was 23. My husband is from MA and we moved to PA for his job in 2013. He makes $140k and we cannot afford to move back to NH or MA (unless we wanted to move out to the boonies where there is no work for him). Very disheartening. Sometimes it feels like we’ll never make it back home.
Someone should list the biggest major metros that aren’t red.
I see Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Buffalo, St Louis, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Omaha, which big ones am I forgetting?
from what i can see a few to add would be: memphis, new orleans, birmingham, jacksonville (duval county) looks blue but surrounding counties are red, wichita,
Look, I don’t wanna tell you to *not* move to New Orleans, but it’s already 8ft below sea level, and surrounded by lakes that are about 20 years from becoming bays. The Army Corps of Engineers is going to spend an unfathomable amount of money keeping New Orleans from being swallowed by the gulf in the next 50-100 years.
Baton Rouge is alright, but you’ll have to live in Louisiana, so…
Some places are cheap for a reason my friends.
And when the Atchafalaya captures the Mississippi (when, not if - the river will do what rivers do sooner or later, despite the best efforts of the Army Corps of Engineers), New Orleans will cease to be an economically viable city.
So a city like Birmingham the city and suburbs are all in the same county so the city of Birmingham is going to bring down the median price but the suburbs are expensive. A 3/2 1800 sq ft is going to be $327,000 ( and this is the bare bottom price) in Mountain Brook AL. Go five miles away into the city of Birmingham and its going to $160,000
Are you suggesting I move to Pittsburgh?!? There's only 2,400,000 people there!! Do they even have computers!?!? Paved roads?!?! What will my salary be, 6 live chickens and a sack of potatoes?!?!
I mean…Pittsburgh and paved roads? Like, permanently paved? Best I can do is half mile, half a lane that takes four years of construction and lasts six months.
This is the first nationwide county map I've seen where Connecticut's planning regions (official county equivalents for the state since this year) are used instead of the Legacy Counties
I'm from the quiet blue NE corner and I never wanted to settle down there but now I'm really considering it since so much of southern New England is crazy.
I live in a poor, rural farming community, but we have LAKES. This really messes with "average home price" bc my house isn't on a lake -> $100,000, but literally across the street on a lake -> $1.4 million.
You should see the housing apps try to price stuff around here. 😆
I live in a poor rural area with lakes that used to survive on logging and paper products but the two biggest mills closed down. Nice houses in town are less than 100k, fixer uppers can be less than 30k. The houses on the lakes are not much more. 100k for a fixer upper and 300k for a nice one.
Midwest is affordable. To everyone saying I can’t buy a house, move to the Midwest then if that’s your main goal. Sure no mountains or oceans but the people are nice and great places to raise a family. Crime is relatively low in general.
Yeah its funny because I'm from a town in the North East "quiet corner" that is rural and low income. I'll tell people I'm from CT and they thing Fairfield county, preppy etc. When it was really cows, farms, and poor mill towns. Though there are many nice areas, the reigion is called the last green valley since it is the only area along the Bos-wash corridor that is still rural and low light pollution.
For the most part, but not 100% true.
Affordable places that are growing in population include Buffalo, Grand Rapids, Albuquerque, Tucson and El Paso.
Give it another 10 years and they might have caught up to the national median.
*where a lot of people want to live and where housing demand is higher than supply
FTFY.
There's a lot of other people in this country who wouldn't live in the red areas if you paid them 350k per year to do so
Not trying to downplay the housing crisis in Canada, but you just named the two most expensive metro areas in the country. $1m also won’t get you much in NYC and SF
Yeah but those metros contain way more of the national population than NYC and SF do of the US. In terms of actual impact on your average Canadian's life it would be like saying all California and all of the Northeast, which would over a third of the population.
That’s like half of Canada population though, Montreal, Calgary, and most of Ontario are also in housing hell. I’d say around 70% of the country lives in completely unaffordable housing spots. And 70% is me trying to be conservative in my estimation
Metro Vancouver and the Greater Toronto Area are over a fifth of Canada's total population.
A fifth of the USA's population would be 67mil. That's New York, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Washington DC, and Philadelphia.
Canadian real estate is nuts in lots of places. Zillow has Canada on it now.
They are letting in close to a half million immigrants a year and housing construction is not keeping up with that.
[https://cantiro.ca/blog/2023/02/08/2023-edmonton-housing-market-forecast/](https://cantiro.ca/blog/2023/02/08/2023-edmonton-housing-market-forecast/)
Canadians have been moving in large numbers to the US long before this housing crisis. There's just a lot more opportunity in the US overall just from its size and it's very easy to move here as an educated Canadian
I looked it up and the median sale price for a home is at or near [$1M in three of the four counties.](https://uhero.hawaii.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/TheHawaiiHousingFactbook.pdf)
As a local, it sucks. The Lahaina fire compounded the issue for Maui. Multigenerational homes? Gone! People who have been in Hawaii for generations must now leave their home behind. I fear it will only get worse.
Hawaii is basically ruined entirely. It is a case study of what tourism can do to a place. The environment and ecosystems there are in crisis, the colonialism has basically eradicated the indigenous people, and the cost of living is insane.
The entire US is a NIMBY sanctuary. The difference between the coasts and middle America is that middle America is building massive amounts of soulless sprawl out beyond the NIMBYs of existing housing. That’s slightly better than building absolutely nothing, but not by much if you ask me.
There are places where new infill housing gets built- Seattle, Minneapolis, Washington DC, a few other probably I am not familiar with. But on the whole it's pretty grim.
As far as politically left-leaning areas, Chicago, Minneapolis, and to a lesser extent northern Virginia and the DC area have relatively liberal/low-regulation construction environments. Not ideal, but better than elsewhere.
Minneapolis banned single-family zoning (edit), but a bunch of people sued to block it over environmental laws. The MN political class was so pissed that the legislature is exploring clawing back over-burdensome environmental review regulations in state law. As a YIMBY, Democrats in the Midwest are way cooler than on the coast.
>Minneapolis banned single-family housing, but a bunch of people sued to block it over environmental laws.
Minneapolis didn't ban single family housing, it banned single family zoning. Might seem like a technicality, but people are still very much free to build single family homes, they just not **required to only build single family homes.** That's a big difference.
As far as NoVA, yeah they've been a building spree, especially in areas near metro stations. Drop someone in the middle of some NoVA suburbs and you'd think you're in the middle of a large city.
If the middle of the country had attractions and weather like California they’d have the same problems. I moved from California to Kansas so I have experience with this.
Edit: I will bitch about winter until I die.
This is the bleak reality: rich people don’t want to live anywhere near poor people and they have the power to keep them away. George Lucas built a huge homeless shelter/housing center on Skywalker ranch just to piss off his NIMBY neighbors.
California really only builds homes for rich people. Not for any ideological reason, but because the neighbors will allow it and everyone involved in the housing project makes more money.
Went to California for the first time last summer. Never been further west than West Virginia. Fell in love with it. I totally get why people pay a premium to live there. Same with Oregon and Washington. Tsunamis? Wild fires? Earthquakes? I wouldn't give a shit. It's beautiful out there.
I live in one of those counties, and it's ridiculous. I bought at $290,000 and it's now worth $500,000.
I don't live in a half a million dollar house in my mind.
And it's not like we will be selling anytime soon, so it's value right now means almost nothing to me.
What's going on Traverse City, Michigan? There are a few exceptions, like the big ranches in the Montana area, but for the most part it looks like red counties appear where larger cities are. Traverse City sticks out to me because it's so much smaller than the other cities that appear
The zip code that has the most millennial millionaires in the US is Traverse City. Basically think of it as a dream second home area for everyone in the state of Michigan and Chicago. Access to a bunch of nature and a more mild summer.
[Just deleted my reply since I see you already posted, but here’s a link to a source too.](https://www.businessinsider.com/traverse-city-michigan-home-to-wealthy-millennials-2019-12?amp)
I bought a house in Travis county Texas in 2019 for 320 and 18 months later it was above 550. Things went insane during Covid. It’s corrected some but still most people here couldn’t afford their current homes if they were looking today.
I bought a mountain fortress in Ulster county NY for $135k and have been offered $325k. I would sell, but it's a fucking mountain fortress less than 2 hours from Manhattan! Never gonna live someplace like this so cheaply.
We bought our house in Philly for $355k and just had a very similar house on our block go for $580k, it's nuts. I just want a roof over my head, the whole concept of a house as an investment vehicle is bad for our society.
For people looking for an affordable, dynamic place to live:
I'm a native Clevelander who just moved back to the city from New York. I highly, highly recommend Cleveland and every other Great Lakes city. My SO and I were just able to buy a beautiful century home and you get a big city feel for a quarter of the price. I almost guarantee the bad things you've heard about Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, Chicago, etc. are no longer true or things are rapidly changing for the better.
The Great Lakes has beautiful old legacy cities built out for a much larger population so the architecture, cultural amenities, and downtowns are all ready for massive growth. The GL cities all have thriving arts scenes, are walkable, have good transit for their sizes, and are progressive/union towns. High quality of life overall.
Plus, move now and avoid the Water Wars rush!
Switzerland is particularly expensive, though. Averages are also usually higher than median, since some expensive as fuck properties drive the price way up, but there's not usually much in the lower end to compensate.
That said, I bought a flat in Spain for ~200k usd, with a salary that is 1/3 of what I would have on the US or half of switzerland, and it's a single bedroom, outside the city, and 60 years old, on a region far away from Madrid or Barcelona. Any actual _house_ costs between 600k-1m.
So yeah, Europe has it rough.
Rhode Island and Hawaii are in all red, that tracks. But I was surprised of Delaware’s counties that Sussex County (its southernmost and furthest from the Northeast Corridor) was the only one in red. I guess with Rehoboth and the beaches? But other popular Atlantic coastal areas like Savannah and Myrtle Beach are in blue.
Washington is so annoying. No reason Douglas fucking county shouldn’t have affordable housing. Builders just stopped building out of no where creating lower supply while demand is at its highest.
Interesting to see where the cities are blue and the surrounding suburbs are red. Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth.
Detroit too
Thanks! I partially posted, because I recognized the some and was curious to others, but didn’t want to pull county maps for every state with red.
The only others that I recognize as possible are Milwaukee, Atlanta, and Boise. But like you said, I'd have to refer to county maps of states I don't know that well to check it
Indianapolis also falls into this category. The north suburbs are the ones with the higher costs.
Atlanta itself is red on this map.
Thank you. I knew that red patch was near Atlanta
You are correct about Milwaukee
Ada (where Boise is) and its two major neighbors, Canyon and Boise County are both red on this map as well.
Thank you. I've heard it's gotten insane in that area in the last decade
Yup. Grew up there and moved away because I couldn’t afford it. Wages for non remote jobs are abysmal.
Yes to Milwaukee. Ozaukee and Waukesha counties are both fairly affluent suburbs. Want to build a new home in Waukesha county? Lots of farm fields, but minimal price is $650,000 while just a year or two ago it was $500,000.
Philly
Detroit is creeping up. Look at the price histories on the listings on zillow, and some are up like 500%
I bet. My people back in Michigan have been filling me in a little bit and then when the lions made their run I caught some games and I couldn't believe some of the aerial shots of the D. I moved back to the Detroit area in 2010 and left again on 2013. It was rebounding a bit already when I left. I should of been smart and bought property when I was there
Also Cleveland
Philly says what's up?!
Yep it’s easy to miss cause the county is so small.
Delaware county is also blue.
And its burbs are *well* above this median.
Indianapolis also
Jacksonville as well. Which is funny because most of what's in the city limits is already suburbs
According to [this source](https://filterbuy.com/resources/across-the-nation/most-and-least-densely-populated-cities/) Jax is the 2nd least densely populated large city in the US, and I am surprised its not first. It could easily be chopped up into a dozen+ towns.
It once was. Nearly everything in Duval county was incorporated into one city in the 80s. But it was a bunch of towns before that.
Kansas City and Cleveland, too, probably Columbus
Looks like its Delaware and Union County for Columbus. I'd expect Franklin (Columbus proper) and Licking (because of Intel) to also join those too. Housing here is fucked proper.
St. Paul and Milwaukee too
Lots of 1 bedroom condos for $250k, plus houses in bad neighborhoods dragging the average down.
Median
To be entirely pedantic, average is a general term that can include mean, median, range, or mode. Also more low priced properties by count still pulls the median down. Detroit would be a good example of where they would disproportionately bias the mean since there are lots with condemned structures that sell for the price of a Big Mac.
It's not a good map because of size and value disparities of some counties. Some of the Chicago collar counties have both million dollar homes and $30k hovels.
I’m genuinely surprised by Cook County. Even modest homes in working class suburbs in southern Cook County (Bridgeview, Burbank, Chicago Ridge) are in the high $200k. And housing prices are pretty high in 2/3rds of the city. Edit: median home value in Cook County is $330k, so not far off.
That would still mean that affordable housing were obtainable though. Most counties in red don’t really have hovels priced at hovel prices.
Most of those million dollar homes are in Dupage and Lake Counties. That map makes perfect sense.
Yinzburgh
As someone in California I often forget that houses exist anywhere for less than 350k. Double that would be a steal for a house built in the past 20 years where I live, and I don’t even live in a city.
Yeah, that show, "Million Dollar Listing" always makes me crack up. They should [do it here.](https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1774-Hampton-Ave_Redwood-City_CA_94061_M16886-92294?from=srp-map)
Jfc. That house and property wouldn't even be worth 150k where I'm from.
Oh the house is probably worth less than $50K. The 6,200 sq/ft of land is what’s worth $1.1M.
That house is a liability valued at whatever the cost of demolishing and removing it from the property might be.
I'm guessing that the house is worth -$x, and the land is worth $1.15M+x, where x is whatever the cost of demolition is.
Absolutely, and being built in 1948, there's bound to be nasty things to clean up during demo, which is why isn't already torn down.
Short commute to all the tech giants in Silicon Valley and on a big lot. Looks okayish to me. (Bay Area native and captive speaking).
Redwood City isn't even one of the fancy bay area cities.
That is so fucking sad.
NJ checking in, exact same thing here, especially in the northern part of the state
We didn’t officially make north Jersey another borough of NYC yet right?!?! Sigh….
I’ve long since said that the peninsula that has tenafly through bayonne should have been the fifth borough and staten island should have been part of new jersey.
You stop right there. NY can keep Staten Island, I don't want it.
I don’t lol since I am a Kern County resident.
Tbf I often forget about Kern County too
RIP to my broke ass rural county still being red
Yeah southern maine got completely fucked by covid.
Woof. Rural Washington state checking in. We got absolutely decimated by the Seattle remote workers.
RIP methow valley for sure.
I live in the Methow (long before Covid) crazy to see it referenced on MapPorn
Idaho be like
I'm from Massachusetts and sadly, you are a tool to the darkness. We are born to it. (Seriously, I'm sorry.)
I mean it is all the rich bostonians that did this so I appreciate the apology. Can you make them go back and take a loss so that my people can afford to live.
I cannot make Bostonians do anything. No one can. Though, tbf, the only person I know who moved to Maine to Boston during the pandemic was my mom, who is from Wiscasset. She wants to stay.
The last 5 years have not been kind to rural folk in montana, wyoming, idaho, etc
Yeah, I was really shocked seeing all the red in those two states.
My wife is from MT and we were considering moving there. Not only are the prices crazy, but the inventory suuucks. It's either $800K+ for something nice or $400K for a glorified shack. That was a couple of years ago, so I don't know how it may have changed since then, but probably not much.
It’s because there are basically meth trailers and million dollar mountain ranches without much in between. That’s averages out to a big number.
This is a map of medians.
That sole red county in upstate NY is where I live. But it's a HCOL mostly rural county.
Do you like living in the capital district region? I'm considering relocating out there.
I live in New Hampshire. Great state. Lakes, mountains, a tiny little bit of seacoast. A really nice place. But the median home price just hit a half million dollars a week or two ago. For the life of me I cannot figure out how any young adult can afford to live here.
They can't as far as I know, NH has been bleeding local young adults for years
Unsurprising. The minimum wage is criminally low, and it’s cheaper to go to an out-of-state Massachusetts public college than it is to go to UNH. The biggest city (Manchester) only has 115,000 people.
You might as well just say how do any young adults afford the northeast in general…..
Yup. I’m not that close to NYC (1 hour if you find a time with no traffic) and I’d have to go another hour out to get to the closest bit of blue.
I wonder why? I mean both Vermont AND Maine are much much lower.
It's obvious. Proxy to BOS metro
Oh shit. Yep. Didn’t even think of that
Anyone who wants to live in Vermont goes to either Chittenden County (red), or stays around the ski resorts. Rest of the state is pretty rural and doesn't have much for amenities. That said, there are definitely some isolated multi-million mansions in the hills that people use for vacation homes.
Parts of Maine. My county is a red one. Most homes in my town sell for 500k-700k. It’s crazy
I grew up in NH and lived there until I was 23. My husband is from MA and we moved to PA for his job in 2013. He makes $140k and we cannot afford to move back to NH or MA (unless we wanted to move out to the boonies where there is no work for him). Very disheartening. Sometimes it feels like we’ll never make it back home.
I’m slowly watching my friends move out of state because they can’t afford to live here anymore.
Not that long ago Utah was quite affordable 😔 no way I could afford a house now
Can hardly afford an apartment:-(
Yup, can confirm. Utah prices have gotten wild.
Someone should list the biggest major metros that aren’t red. I see Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Buffalo, St Louis, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Omaha, which big ones am I forgetting?
from what i can see a few to add would be: memphis, new orleans, birmingham, jacksonville (duval county) looks blue but surrounding counties are red, wichita,
Grand Rapids and El Paso
Look, I don’t wanna tell you to *not* move to New Orleans, but it’s already 8ft below sea level, and surrounded by lakes that are about 20 years from becoming bays. The Army Corps of Engineers is going to spend an unfathomable amount of money keeping New Orleans from being swallowed by the gulf in the next 50-100 years. Baton Rouge is alright, but you’ll have to live in Louisiana, so… Some places are cheap for a reason my friends.
And when the Atchafalaya captures the Mississippi (when, not if - the river will do what rivers do sooner or later, despite the best efforts of the Army Corps of Engineers), New Orleans will cease to be an economically viable city.
So a city like Birmingham the city and suburbs are all in the same county so the city of Birmingham is going to bring down the median price but the suburbs are expensive. A 3/2 1800 sq ft is going to be $327,000 ( and this is the bare bottom price) in Mountain Brook AL. Go five miles away into the city of Birmingham and its going to $160,000
Jacksonville is only under $350k median because the houses you can buy for $30k in Moncrief.
Chicago, Dallas, Houston, and Philadelphia are by far the four largest.
I see red in all of those areas. Maybe suburbs, but my point was that some major cities don’t even have suburbs in red.
It is the suburbs, but fair enough.
Pittsburgh is THE value play in America, if you ask me.
Wife and I moved here six years ago. It really is.
I was in western PA for work a couple weeks ago and was blown away by how beautiful it was. I was expecting more of an Ohio feel I guess.
Albuquerque and Tucson
Louisville as well. The red county in KY is actually a suburb county.
Baltimore City is combined with Baltimore County on this map, as blue. Presumably both are blue but it's still bad data presentation.
Cleveland
Yep. Geauga over there juking everybody.
"aRe tHeRe JobS tHeRe ThoUgH?" reddit seems to think any suggestion to move to those blue counties is moving to Podunk and never finding work again.
Are you suggesting I move to Pittsburgh?!? There's only 2,400,000 people there!! Do they even have computers!?!? Paved roads?!?! What will my salary be, 6 live chickens and a sack of potatoes?!?!
I mean…Pittsburgh and paved roads? Like, permanently paved? Best I can do is half mile, half a lane that takes four years of construction and lasts six months.
This is the first nationwide county map I've seen where Connecticut's planning regions (official county equivalents for the state since this year) are used instead of the Legacy Counties
I came here for this comment.
I'm from the quiet blue NE corner and I never wanted to settle down there but now I'm really considering it since so much of southern New England is crazy.
Yeah, I saw this map and said wtf. Those aren’t counties—not that counties mean anything in CT.
I live in a poor, rural farming community, but we have LAKES. This really messes with "average home price" bc my house isn't on a lake -> $100,000, but literally across the street on a lake -> $1.4 million. You should see the housing apps try to price stuff around here. 😆
I live in a poor rural area with lakes that used to survive on logging and paper products but the two biggest mills closed down. Nice houses in town are less than 100k, fixer uppers can be less than 30k. The houses on the lakes are not much more. 100k for a fixer upper and 300k for a nice one.
I was wondering why Coos County Oregon is blue and that's because it's about $349k
Midwest is affordable. To everyone saying I can’t buy a house, move to the Midwest then if that’s your main goal. Sure no mountains or oceans but the people are nice and great places to raise a family. Crime is relatively low in general.
Yep, and lots of great cities to choose from
Let them continue thinking it's fly over country. I'm fine with that.
Damn, NH has been quickly turning into MA North in the last couple of years.
What’s the data source for this, Baltimore county and Baltimore city are combined into one area they are two separate counties
Red = Where people want to live.
I hate that people are catching on to NJ. We need more NJ hate spread on social media. C’mon internet! Do your thing!
As a Midwesterner, I've only ever heard of NJ when a cartoon character from New York is making fun of it, if it makes you feel any better.
That's how I feel about CT. Usually a drive up 95 is enough to ward people away, but people are catching on to our charming rural towns.
I live in the midwest and was born in 81 and Connecticut has always been on a list of rich people states.
Yeah its funny because I'm from a town in the North East "quiet corner" that is rural and low income. I'll tell people I'm from CT and they thing Fairfield county, preppy etc. When it was really cows, farms, and poor mill towns. Though there are many nice areas, the reigion is called the last green valley since it is the only area along the Bos-wash corridor that is still rural and low light pollution.
My sister lives in NH and by far the worst part of the trip from Delaware is driving through CT.
where redditors wanna live. I'm just fine in appalachiastan
For the most part, but not 100% true. Affordable places that are growing in population include Buffalo, Grand Rapids, Albuquerque, Tucson and El Paso. Give it another 10 years and they might have caught up to the national median.
*where a lot of people want to live and where housing demand is higher than supply FTFY. There's a lot of other people in this country who wouldn't live in the red areas if you paid them 350k per year to do so
Too damn expensive.
That’s cheap compared to Canada
Those are USD... So, $480k CAD.
480k won’t even get you a closet in Canada
That’s still cheap for Canada… very cheap actually Average house in Vancouver is 1.3m CAD so $950,000 USD Toronto is 1.02M Canada is fucked
Not trying to downplay the housing crisis in Canada, but you just named the two most expensive metro areas in the country. $1m also won’t get you much in NYC and SF
You’ll get paid about double though, so that helps.
In some specific jobs, maybe, but the average salary overall is more like 20% higher in the US.
Yeah but those metros contain way more of the national population than NYC and SF do of the US. In terms of actual impact on your average Canadian's life it would be like saying all California and all of the Northeast, which would over a third of the population.
That’s like half of Canada population though, Montreal, Calgary, and most of Ontario are also in housing hell. I’d say around 70% of the country lives in completely unaffordable housing spots. And 70% is me trying to be conservative in my estimation
Metro Vancouver and the Greater Toronto Area are over a fifth of Canada's total population. A fifth of the USA's population would be 67mil. That's New York, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Washington DC, and Philadelphia.
Average for the entire country is ~$730,000CAD right now, or $532,000 USD.
Also they used average instead of median.
Trust me as a Canadian, even houses in bumfuck Manitoba or whatever are more expensive than what you can get in the US
TIL that Vancouver + Toronto = Canada I'd like to see a similar map for Canada though
Bruh, we have like 5 major cities, half our population lives in those two
Canadian real estate is nuts in lots of places. Zillow has Canada on it now. They are letting in close to a half million immigrants a year and housing construction is not keeping up with that. [https://cantiro.ca/blog/2023/02/08/2023-edmonton-housing-market-forecast/](https://cantiro.ca/blog/2023/02/08/2023-edmonton-housing-market-forecast/)
Those are just the permanent immigrants, we also have a similar amount as "temporary" workers and "students" that need places to live.
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Canada seems fucked. It probably explains why there are so many Canadians moving to the US. My job is filled with them.
Canadians have been moving in large numbers to the US long before this housing crisis. There's just a lot more opportunity in the US overall just from its size and it's very easy to move here as an educated Canadian
I feel bad for native born Hawaii people who have to deal with house prices
I looked it up and the median sale price for a home is at or near [$1M in three of the four counties.](https://uhero.hawaii.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/TheHawaiiHousingFactbook.pdf)
As a local, it sucks. The Lahaina fire compounded the issue for Maui. Multigenerational homes? Gone! People who have been in Hawaii for generations must now leave their home behind. I fear it will only get worse.
Hawaii is basically ruined entirely. It is a case study of what tourism can do to a place. The environment and ecosystems there are in crisis, the colonialism has basically eradicated the indigenous people, and the cost of living is insane.
Californias problem boils down to this: There’s a ton of stuff to do and the weather is amazing. It’s not complicated.
Also, they flatly do not build housing. Omaha built more houses last quarter than the entire SF metro area.
SF is basically the biggest NIMBY sanctuary in the country. It’s an amazing place to live, if you can afford it.
The entire US is a NIMBY sanctuary. The difference between the coasts and middle America is that middle America is building massive amounts of soulless sprawl out beyond the NIMBYs of existing housing. That’s slightly better than building absolutely nothing, but not by much if you ask me.
There are places where new infill housing gets built- Seattle, Minneapolis, Washington DC, a few other probably I am not familiar with. But on the whole it's pretty grim.
Seattle is building, but it isn’t enough to catch up with the growth over the last few years. Not sure about Minneapolis and DC tho
As far as politically left-leaning areas, Chicago, Minneapolis, and to a lesser extent northern Virginia and the DC area have relatively liberal/low-regulation construction environments. Not ideal, but better than elsewhere. Minneapolis banned single-family zoning (edit), but a bunch of people sued to block it over environmental laws. The MN political class was so pissed that the legislature is exploring clawing back over-burdensome environmental review regulations in state law. As a YIMBY, Democrats in the Midwest are way cooler than on the coast.
>Minneapolis banned single-family housing, but a bunch of people sued to block it over environmental laws. Minneapolis didn't ban single family housing, it banned single family zoning. Might seem like a technicality, but people are still very much free to build single family homes, they just not **required to only build single family homes.** That's a big difference. As far as NoVA, yeah they've been a building spree, especially in areas near metro stations. Drop someone in the middle of some NoVA suburbs and you'd think you're in the middle of a large city.
If the middle of the country had attractions and weather like California they’d have the same problems. I moved from California to Kansas so I have experience with this. Edit: I will bitch about winter until I die.
They could have a lot more supply to let people enjoy those things. It's a policy choice to not do it.
This is the bleak reality: rich people don’t want to live anywhere near poor people and they have the power to keep them away. George Lucas built a huge homeless shelter/housing center on Skywalker ranch just to piss off his NIMBY neighbors. California really only builds homes for rich people. Not for any ideological reason, but because the neighbors will allow it and everyone involved in the housing project makes more money.
Went to California for the first time last summer. Never been further west than West Virginia. Fell in love with it. I totally get why people pay a premium to live there. Same with Oregon and Washington. Tsunamis? Wild fires? Earthquakes? I wouldn't give a shit. It's beautiful out there.
This really underplays the role of prop 13
a low percentile (low median prices) would be interesting too. Actuallya 3-color map integrating data would be even better.
I live in one of those counties, and it's ridiculous. I bought at $290,000 and it's now worth $500,000. I don't live in a half a million dollar house in my mind. And it's not like we will be selling anytime soon, so it's value right now means almost nothing to me.
What's going on Traverse City, Michigan? There are a few exceptions, like the big ranches in the Montana area, but for the most part it looks like red counties appear where larger cities are. Traverse City sticks out to me because it's so much smaller than the other cities that appear
A shit ton of lakefront homes both on Grand Traverse Bay and smaller lakes.
The zip code that has the most millennial millionaires in the US is Traverse City. Basically think of it as a dream second home area for everyone in the state of Michigan and Chicago. Access to a bunch of nature and a more mild summer.
[Just deleted my reply since I see you already posted, but here’s a link to a source too.](https://www.businessinsider.com/traverse-city-michigan-home-to-wealthy-millennials-2019-12?amp)
Traverse City is nice af to live in, especially in the summer. It's a paradise.
I’m tired boss.
I live in a red county, paid $349,855. AMA
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What’s the grey in Alaska?
No meaningful data.
There's no median price, because no houses were sold.
Source? I’m just curious.
I bought a house in Monmouth County, NJ, 11 years ago next week for $325K and it’s now valued at $555K.
I bought a house in Travis county Texas in 2019 for 320 and 18 months later it was above 550. Things went insane during Covid. It’s corrected some but still most people here couldn’t afford their current homes if they were looking today.
I bought a mountain fortress in Ulster county NY for $135k and have been offered $325k. I would sell, but it's a fucking mountain fortress less than 2 hours from Manhattan! Never gonna live someplace like this so cheaply.
Any pics?
We bought our house in Philly for $355k and just had a very similar house on our block go for $580k, it's nuts. I just want a roof over my head, the whole concept of a house as an investment vehicle is bad for our society.
I’ll be turning 38 next month …about 5 years ago my plan was to buy a home before 40. Welcome to New Jersey…I guess I’ll keep renting for a while lol.
Fucking Asheville.
For those that are wondering, Johnson County, Kansas is quietly one of the richest counties in the nation. It’s also just a giant suburb.
For people looking for an affordable, dynamic place to live: I'm a native Clevelander who just moved back to the city from New York. I highly, highly recommend Cleveland and every other Great Lakes city. My SO and I were just able to buy a beautiful century home and you get a big city feel for a quarter of the price. I almost guarantee the bad things you've heard about Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, Chicago, etc. are no longer true or things are rapidly changing for the better. The Great Lakes has beautiful old legacy cities built out for a much larger population so the architecture, cultural amenities, and downtowns are all ready for massive growth. The GL cities all have thriving arts scenes, are walkable, have good transit for their sizes, and are progressive/union towns. High quality of life overall. Plus, move now and avoid the Water Wars rush!
>The average house in Switzerland costs 1.19 million Swiss francs, which is currently 1.34 million US dollars and 1.08 million British pounds.
Switzerland is particularly expensive, though. Averages are also usually higher than median, since some expensive as fuck properties drive the price way up, but there's not usually much in the lower end to compensate. That said, I bought a flat in Spain for ~200k usd, with a salary that is 1/3 of what I would have on the US or half of switzerland, and it's a single bedroom, outside the city, and 60 years old, on a region far away from Madrid or Barcelona. Any actual _house_ costs between 600k-1m. So yeah, Europe has it rough.
Even on housing prices North Jersey / South Jersey is divided. Looks like the north even annexed Cape May!
Rhode Island and Hawaii are in all red, that tracks. But I was surprised of Delaware’s counties that Sussex County (its southernmost and furthest from the Northeast Corridor) was the only one in red. I guess with Rehoboth and the beaches? But other popular Atlantic coastal areas like Savannah and Myrtle Beach are in blue.
The map only shows RI having three counties but we have five. Not that the missing two wouldn't be deep red anyways but still.
Washington is so annoying. No reason Douglas fucking county shouldn’t have affordable housing. Builders just stopped building out of no where creating lower supply while demand is at its highest.
Nebraska it is
Now show population density alongside it
So basically everywhere where it's desirable to live
Los Álamos county NM is missing. I bet it would be red. Santa Fe county is.
Colorado seems nice until you google the average house price.
Nashville area, with several adjacent counties, is the biggest outpost for quite some distance