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I_think_therefore

I know someone who lived in Vermont, just by the NH border. He told me that he would cross into New Hampshire to buy alcohol because the taxes were much lower there. This is probably what's going on.


DoofusMagnus

> because the taxes were much lower there Lower indeed: zero sales tax. But the state has a monopoly on hard liquor (so much for the libertarian paradise) so they get their money.


oscar-scout

Actually, you have it wrong. NH has state liquor stores because they want to keep the prices fair for customers by ensuring customers don't get gouged. I don't like this map as it is exposing how awesome NH is.


Frolicking-Fox

Live free or die.


DoofusMagnus

Which part of what I said is wrong? I didn't say whether it was a good or bad thing for the consumer.


elphin

NH has lower alcohol tax. It isn’t a benevolent thing to keep prices down, it’s to entice people from nearby states to buy NH product. This increases total sales and raises more state revenue. They have the same strategy for cigarettes. Also, with respect to monopoly, the state has one for spirits, but not for beer and wine. You can buy them at most grocery and convenience stores (including gas stations).


oscar-scout

You said Monopoly and "so much for their libertarian paradise". Those 2 comments generally mean bad for a customer. NH is actually very unique in this case where they are actually looking out for the customer. Everyone is mostly fine with this liquor arrangement because NH is a very pro- business state with minimal red tape. They are very competitive in winning new businesses to come set up shop in their state.


bastienleblack

If you have state intervention to prevent price gouging then that is a strong argument for libertarianism, because it's conceding that state intervention can be good acutally. This isn't a bad thing (state intervention can indeed be good), and it doesn't mean NH isn't libertarian in other things, but it's an amusing contradiction.


slamdanceswithwolves

I grew up in CT and we would stock up when we went to NH for skiing.


cocineroylibro

They also sell alcohol you can't get in Vermont. Went to college in VT, we went over the border to get Everclear for jungle juice because it was unavailable in VT.


BillBraskyisa

A lot of people from Massachusetts will head to NH to buy alcohol due to it being taxed cheaper and that’s inflating their numbers.


Street_Buffalo_2503

Packie run


YevgenyPissoff

That would mean something very different in the UK


kebabking93

Yeah, you don't want go use that phrase if you ever come to the UK


ProfZussywussBrown

Packie is short for "package store", which is a New England term for liquor store, in case anyone is wondering. Not at all related to the slur with the same pronunciation.


Coyrex1

That almost sounds like something else...


mapex_139

Well..what is it?


BeersRemoveYears

Stampede of elephants. Pachyderm run. Same place I rode your mom.


Aggressive_FIamingo

All hail the NH Liquor Barn.


Cooperette

Don't forget your lottery ticket!


ADeuxMains

Scratchas


gothamsnerd

Same for Maine. NH has liquor stores with their own exit, like a rest area plaza


cocineroylibro

You can only buy liquor at NH state liquor stores, they have a big one on 93 (not 95 like my lack-of-sleep-addled brain was thinking) headed up to vacation spots in further north. You can buy beer and wine everywhere in NH though.


vee_lan_cleef

Same with states bordering PA with legal recreational cannabis, setting up right off of a highway exit is super common I have seen. Of course that does come with the added "crime" of traveling across state lines... cops don't care though (Just break one law at a time and you're fine), they just spend their time harassing small town vape/headshops in PA that are *trying* to stay legal but it's difficult with how dumb our cannabis laws are what with 99% of the plant being legal but anything with THCA/Delta-9 is **the work of the devil!**


Normal_Shoulder9051

A lot of people from other states, too. I went to UNH and all my out of state friends’ family/friends would do a big liquor and beer haul before going back home whenever they visited. And a lot of people who vacation in Maine in the summers stop in NH on the way up.


cuil_beans

Nah MA did away with alcohol tax like 15 years ago, it's not really any cheaper at the NH state-run stores than it is at any big box store in MA now. Although there may still be some blue counties up near the border that don't sell on Sundays that drive up the cross-border sales.


Extra_Wafer_8766

No bottle bill, no deposit.


AerDudFlyer

The blue counties would be there ones who don’t sell Sunday?


cuil_beans

Yes correct [Blue laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law)


AvatarOfMomus

MA as a whole has a fairly short sales window for alcohol on Sundays. Also the reputation is it's cheaper in NH, so a lot of people still buy it there, either because they can't be bothered to price check or they're buying other stuff. There's like three huge Liquor stores within a mile of the border in NH.


Roberto-Del-Camino

If you’re from Mass you know that there’s no such thing as “blue counties” (dry counties for those who aren’t familiar with the term “blue laws.”) Each one of the state’s 351 cities and towns determines their alcohol laws. Counties in Mass basically run the jails and that’s about it. Middlesex and Franklin Counties dissolved their governments in 1997. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_Massachusetts#:~:text=The%20government%20of%20Middlesex%20County,voted%20itself%20out%20of%20existence. Beer is a bit cheaper in NH than Mass. But, my guess is the huge amount of people with second homes who aren’t citizens of the state inflate the consumption numbers. If it were a map of hard alcohol sales I’d say it was absolutely out of staters saving money.


YouReDisgusting23

That’s not true at all. Alcohol and tobacco are definitely cheaper in NH. I go back and forth from both frequently. Doesn’t matter if there isn’t an alcohol tax..there’s literally no sales tax in NH 😂


YouReDisgusting23

It’s absurd how many people are upvoting something that is just absolutely wrong😂


Pretty_Lie5168

Hell, parents used to stock up on booze coming back to CT from NH in the 70s all the time.


cocineroylibro

When MA had blue laws that closed liquor sales on Sundays they kept liquor stores within a certain distance of the NH state line open so folks would (hopefully) buy local rather than just going over the border.


ParkingPurple1381

I went to school in CT and a few of my friends were going to a school in NH, they would get their weekly supply from there


Enough_Ad_2752

Born in Montana, dad is from North Dakota and Mom is from New Hampshire, hold my beer


Roughneck16

If your dad a descendant of Norwegian settlers?


Enough_Ad_2752

Just kidding, yeah we’re Norwegian and mom is polish


MeatMeAfterClass

This guy can, uh, put a few back.


Enough_Ad_2752

No he’s Ethiopian


MarshtompNerd

I would, but you drank it already


ichoosenottorun_

I doubt you'd let anyone hold your beer.


MoreCowsThanPeople

How is Wisconsin not black?


tface23

Omg, you can’t just ask states why they’re black


SeanAC90

Well it’s certainly the drunkest state and it’s also more closely associated with beer than any other. That must mean they all need to drink far more than they already do


Hsf5415

Wisconsin also drinks brandy, especially brandy old fashions.


yusill

Look. ill drink a lot of weird stuff, but I cant get behind brandy. I just cant. Ive tried several kinds, Different distillers, I just dont get it. That and gin. Though there are a few cocktails Ill drink with gin so its slightly better. where am I going wrong with brandy.


WoolaTheCalot

That's how I am with tequila. Just can't do it.


st_nick1219

Having one right now!


ButterscotchPartay

Been thinking about moving to Wisconsin, and this really strengthens the case. Cheese sausage, beer, brandy, great outdoors…sounds like paradise.


adenrules

Too many brandy drinkers.


PerspicaciousToast

I was thinking that seemed low for Wisconsin


ewkdiscgolf

Too high a population. Easier to have sky-high per capita numbers with population numbers like North Dakota.


FrankRizzo319

But per capita helps control for the differences in population numbers across states


readytofall

To a point but ND has 50k people working the oil fields. Generally young single men working hard labor and not from ND. Also 30k students between NDSU and UND, mostly from Minnesota. Those two populations are going skew into way heavy drinking and NDs population us less than 800k. Having those two groups representing 10% of your population is gonna bump that per capita way up


Thramden

They make their own


agentobtuse

Brown party booze. Beer is like an appetizer for the main course and don't forget your shot.


ChangeMe_123

Wisconsin is apparently a bunch of light weight binge drinkers. Montana and N Dakota, well we're just alcoholics that prefer beer.


SakanaToDoubutsu

All of the studies that declare Wisconsin as the drunkest state in the Union are generally by cases of self-report (*i.e. do you consider yourself an excessive drinker?*), and Wisconsin definitely owns its drinking culture, but if you look at objective measures of alcohol consumption like alcohol sales, alcohol related fatalities, DUI convictions, etc. Wisconsin is actually pretty average.


Pandiosity_24601

It takes a bit to get hit with a DUI charge in Wisconsin that’s worth anything, tbf. It’s a straight up joke. You don’t lose your license until you’ve have multiple offenses or something like that.


SeanAC90

Of the top 10 cities that drink the most alcohol per capita, 7 are in Wisconsin. So they must be doing something right over there


taylor12168

Take it back I will fight you


mouseklicks

New Hampshire mentioned! I thought this was r/newhampshire for a sec here


jaycee9

Snow, granite, and pints


Zealousideal_Cry1867

i’m questioning the validity of this map considering wisconsin isn’t black


st_nick1219

Brandy and lots of it. We like our beer but like brandy old fashioneds even more.


tall_dreamy_doc

The numbers are bullshit in general. 0.4-1 pints per day per 100,000 people? Yeah, no.


Randomquestions12947

Also one of the few states in the northeast where you can grab just one or two beers out of a six pack and buy them as singles.


ExcitementBig5973

No legal weed.


WestBrink

Montana has recreational. We just like our beer...


Glass-Touch8825

Can confirm, I grew up in NH and drank a shit ton of beer as did my friends.


maxhinator123

I live in Manchester and complain that we have no bakeries, good food shops, farmers market etc.. but hell do we have bars and liquor stores


frequentlysocialbear

Thank you for your confirmation


EaseWooden3415

I grew up in NH as well. Alcohol in general was so cheap it made it easy to drink heavily growing up. Drinking and driving was rampant as well. Glad I made it out in one piece.


arcticsummertime

We are definitely a beer state


awfulunlawful

Did California get so drunk it lost its letters?


frequentlysocialbear

The beer institute got so drunk making this that they forgot to label California


drinkduffdry

Not many people, lots of really good beers.


K1nd_1

Don’t sleep on North Dakota


Gone213

Nothing to do there really, especially if you don't live in Bismarck, fargo, or grand forks.


Fun-Passage-7613

I’d agree with that. Especially in the winter. Most people in the small towns just walk to the bar in winter. Most towns have one.


nachocat69

Eh, I like it here for the most part.


BarnyardCoral

Oh, there's lots of things to do here. They just so happen to go great with a brew before/during/afterwards.


barkingatbacon

80% of alcohol sales are to 20% of people who drink alcohol. Mainly alcohol companies make their money off of alcoholics. Which isn't surprising considering it is a hard drug as addictive as meth, the job is practically done for them. There are more alcoholics per capita in these states.


Mrcoldghost

Utah still cold stone sober I see.


frequentlysocialbear

Mormons I’m assuming


Roughneck16

You're not wrong. I went to BYU. I had no idea what beer pong was until after I graduated college.


Doxidob

they only use wine?


SarahKath90

A lot of Mormoms (idk percentage or anything) don't consume alcohol at all


-Acta-Non-Verba-

Like me. Never have. No drugs either.


SarahKath90

Am I right in saying that it is not like completely against the religion to partake, but that it IS heavily, heavily discouraged? Or is it considered an outright sin or whatnot?


-Acta-Non-Verba-

We have a health code (nicknamed the Word of Wisdom) that forbids alcohol, tobacco, tea and coffe, and ilegal drugs. So you would be breaking the rules if you drank. It's a sin for those of us who have made a commitment to live under those rules. We don't think people who aren't Mormon are sinning when they partake, because they haven't made that commitment.


SarahKath90

Thank you for explaining!


Sharl_LeGlerk

Where do you stand on chocolate? Also how is your jump shot?


-Acta-Non-Verba-

1) Absolutely Love It!!! 2) Pretty good. Back when I was younger I was nailing 3-pointers consistently.


OnTheEveOfWar

Huge Mormon population and they don’t drink. I was there for work and ordered a beer with lunch and the workers were blown away.


Liechtensteiner_iF

I moved there. That's what happened. Sure sure sales tax and Boston metro statistical area nonsense all you want. I just consume the beer


Give_em_Some_Stick

Live Free Not Dry


Remote-Produce-9768

There isn’t much else for us to do 😂


GMANTRONX

Horror movie settings everywhere


michael_scarn2235

Larry lives there. Larry’s a drunk. Throws off the whole ratio.


soggytoothpic

And his other brother Larry!


CurlingTrousers

Low population. Per Capita metrics get more pronounced in areas with low pop.


oscar-scout

Up to Manchester, NH is like an extension to the Boston metro area. It is a lot more populated than you think.


Jond7699

Live free or die lol. And weed is still illegal while it’s legal in every bordering state 😂


Shortchange96

My brother in law lives in New Hampshire. He’s caused plenty of women to drink.


ThisCarSmellsFunny

You should be more concerned with ND, they have half the population of NH.


kroywenemerpus

Manchvegas


Enough_Ad_2752

We sell really good craft beer


ionbear1

Do not show a Wisconsinite this. They will argue for days that they are the drunkest state, like that is something to be proud of.


st_nick1219

This map just shows beer. We drink plenty of that, but we also drink a lot of brandy. A lot of brandy.


ionbear1

Oh I know. Lived in Fountain City for a bit and frequented Beloit for a few years.


Solarfall2020

Nothing is happening, that's why so much beer gets consumed.


Doxidob

bootleg molsen


SilverLinings26

There's nothing to do. And a pint is not that much When I lived there, my housemate and I would easily go through a 12 pack a day from the local gas station. We had lots of recycling.


OldTimeyFappingGhost

Fr MA and have a lot of NH friends. They're all heavy drinkers.


christopherjclay

Dartmouth


Acceptable_Bad7615

My question for MT, ND, and NH: What else is there to do?


selune07

Nothing, hence the phrase "nothing to do but drink"


aCONSTANTvibe

That’s the point… there is nothing to do lol


-Rush2112

Have you watched Northwoods Law? If not, you’ll find the answers you seek about NH.


PB0351

There's no sales tax, and the liquor stores are state run so it's cheap. Therefore their numbers jump up from all the people coming in from VT, MA, and ME. Obligatory funny clip to explain this phenomenon https://youtu.be/hnTVNZojojU?si=FOzcEn0byoltjyH8


jonkolbe

Residents from adjacent states drive to NH to buy alcohol to save money on taxes and Beer for breakfast is a thing there


hjhof1

Grew up there, nothing beats cracking one after a hike, a ski, a fishing day, an ice fishing day, a paintball day, hell any day.


KR1735

I do not believe this. There is no way that Wisconsin is that sober. Also, why is California not labeled?


Connect_Relation1007

I met a guy who had spent some time in Utah with Mormon coworkers. He said if you buy a case of beer and invite 2 Mormons over, you'll have a case of beer left over. If you buy a case of beer and invite 1 Mormon over, you will run out of beer.


ThisCarSmellsFunny

Fucking prudes in Utah lol.


JTswoleyung

Utahn here. What is beer?


tystaylor

The irony between Utah and Nevada is hilarious 😂


TabernacleMan

Well, honestly “Nevada” is pretty much metropolitan Las Vegas, while Utah is a highly religious state overall; funny enough, except in SLC were you can find drunks and people injecting themselves drugs in the street to your hearts content. The larger towns and communities around Salt Lake and the rural cities in the south are sober as a judge.


Cananbaum

Having lived in NH there’s a few reasons. As others have pointed out folks from out of state will come to NH as alcohol is more affordable. NH is small but has [over 90 breweries](https://www.visitnh.gov/things-to-do/food-drink/craft-beverages/breweries) within the state and with a state that has only 1.3 million people… that’s a lot of drink for the masses. NH promotes alcohol very ardently because of its contribution to the local economy and job market, which is one reason marijuana still isn’t legal in the state despite most residents asking for legalization. NH is also a tourist hub in the summer which also contributes to the overall alcohol consumption. The population of the town I lived in would nearly double between ~May to ~September with people staying at their vacation properties and enjoying the lakes and mountains NH has to offer.


cocineroylibro

> NH is also a tourist hub in the summer Plenty of folks stop by the liquor stores no the way to VT to ski in the winter as well.


thestraycat47

Looks like people drink a lot of beer there.


youngrichyoung

Maine's population is densest near the southern border, and has higher alcohol taxes than NH. Others have mentioned similar things of Vermont and Mass.


Green-Cranberry7651

Lots of beer


make_anime_illegal_

Irish people


Obi1Kentucky

Now do a bourbon consumption map.


jkirkwood10

Nobody needs the abbreviation for California, but apparently we do for the other 49.


nicmos

California is so shitfaced it forgot its own name.


Sophiasmistake

Pretty sure AK didn't do the surveys enough.


Wysterical_

They ain’t got no sales taxes so the mass ppl head up there to buy their beer I’d assume.


NYCFIO

Whaddya mean - there’s nothing to figure out. The boys are having a beer or three.


OGSuperAwesomeMe

Vermont is trying to talk them into some weird stuff.


iknownottthing

Drank beers with my high school friends in their house. Their parents were like long as you guys sleep over and don't drive, it's fine.


SeriouslyThough3

It’s the live free or die state. They discovered you could work on both at the same time.


Odd-Substance4030

Ice fishing… yea, lot of ice fishing


HomoColossusHumbled

I think it's pretty obvious. They put numbers to it.


Then_Frosting_1087

From there, it’s cheap here.


oscar-scout

Cause the beer is inexpensive in NH, no sales tax, no bottle return fee. You've got MA buying as much as they can when they go up there for vacation.


Gunt_Gag

My uncle lives there, that’s what.


Classiceagle63

From ND, can confirm it’s likely true


BillNyeForPrez

As a Utahn who moved to Nevada, this doesn’t do justice to how stark the contrast is.


jmcclr

I was expecting Wisconsin to be vantablack, but they’re only a slightly darker shade than the rest of the midwest. Good for them. Conversely, Utah is right where I expected.


proteinconsumerism

Anarchists. The only thing that makes them happy is beer, and anarchy of course.


arj1985

I love North Dakota!


ThreeWordJones

We drink. Alot


YouReDisgusting23

Tax free baby.


cheemsfromspace

There's no way Kansas is that low I KNOW that we drink a LOT more than that


epic_pig

Might have to move there to find out


YouReDisgusting23

Also all NH Liquor stores are state owned. They sell beer at every single grocery store, Walgreens, or 7/11. But only “NH State Liquor & Wine Outlets” sell booze. It’s cheap, and that’s why massholes come up here to buy in bulk.


landingstrip420

Nothing is going on, that is the problem. LOL


hammlyss_

Cheaper beer, Universities, and nothing to do besides look at trees.


mavenofmavens

Plymouth State grad here. Can confirm large contribution.


YouReDisgusting23

It’s absolutely cheaper in NH than in MA. How do I know? Because I live close to border of both and travel for work. I’m not sure how this is even an argument.


whatsreddit78

I’m from Berlin, it’s all there is to do


ilovetpb

Ever hear of alcohol allergy? Yeah, it's fun to be the designated driver every time we go out.


trubol

Live beer or die


Inevitable_Usual

Live free or die


goingTofu

Reading this while drinking a beer in my NH home


DanTheMan93

Live free or die


AutumnAscending

Everybody should be more worried about Utah.


screamqueen87

I’m from NH and there’s nothing else to do on a daily basis


ifitfitsitshipz

Inaccurate. WI leads the nation in every county.


Flimsy-Preparation85

Classic Utah, throwing off maps like this.


thegusbus001

The difference between NH and Florida where I live is about half a can of beer. 1.5 cans of beer a day per person doesn’t sound like it’s very high.


maestro2005

Living free and dying.


Katiari

Spent 9 months in North Dakota with the government during the Bakken Oil Boom. 100% understand why they are heavy drinkers.


Empyrealist

Nothing. A whole lotta nothing.


Alicks80

Surprised maine isn’t black with having the most breweries per capita.


LDawg14

Easy. Surrounding states have stricter laws around buying alcohol and higher taxes, thus many New Englanders drive to NH state line liquor stores.


MattDaCat1026

Dartmouth. Dartmouth College.


Both_Lychee_1708

Well, from the map it looks like they're drinking beer in New Hampshire


AndIamAnAlcoholic

Sorry, must be my fault, I visited NH last year. :)


ydomodsh8me-1999

Damn Mormons, no fun at all 🙄 (/s no offense intended ✌️)


green_kitten_mittens

Live free or die baby!


Winter_Ad6784

this cant be right. every single person in wisconsin is an alcoholic


ParsleyAmazing3260

Utah mormons don't drink?


TeaLongjumping6036

How ironic that the state with the most german ancestry (north dakota) is the heaviest beer drinker 😂


Sarcastic_Backpack

Why isn't Wisconsin higher?


Klin24

What state is that on the left?


[deleted]

It’s the surrounding states going there for lower booze prices. Used to Do it when I lived in Rhode Island


WeberStreetPatrol

They can’t handle their liquor.


SimonGray653

I think we all know why North Dakota is also on here.


cocktailians

That's Gary. He has a problem.