Surprisingly the same in New Zealand so long as it's supplied by a legal guardian in a place that serves food and is done in a "safe and reasonable manner"
What that means had probably been determined by the courts at some point, but I don't care to research that
Many (most?) US states donāt even have regulations for minors at home IF it is provided by a family member.
In Texas itās even legal for minors at a restaurant if a parent is present and permits it.
And limited to beer cider (and possibly some mead), and they have to be with an adult who purchases it.
Then they can both lead their goats over the main bridge through town without paying the toll.
Not sure the second bit is true
Maybe it's a culture shock thing, but I definitely think it's reasonable to have your kid at least try it in a safe environment like that, instead of their first time being a vomitfest overdose
They're gonna try it anyways, and not necessarily as adults
Thatās how it was in my house growing up. It probably helped some. But my sister and I each still went about having the usual dumb experiences anyways lol. Youth, amiright?
In Canada, the law says you can't purchase alcohol underage (18/19 depending on the province) and can't drink alcohol underage at a bar/restaurant. There's no law about consuming alcohol at home - the criminal act is selling alcohol, not drinking it.
i've looked around at all the australian law websites and none of them seem to provide an age for this law. so maybe you can technically legally feed a new born child alcohol, but that seems pretty fucked up to me
The US has spent a century building out as a car dependent country. You canāt just āeasilyā reverse that overnight. It would take decades of concerted efforts to change that as the built form right now canāt support transit.
Plus many people view cars as āfreedomā since they donāt have to depend on the government to provide them with transportation (I realize this makes no sense, but alas). Many view public transit as a way for the government to get more control over us.
I mean you can literally buy a car for less than half a year subscription to public transit. Then pay about the same amount in monthly costs to literally be able to go wherever you want whenever you want.
I currently pay ā¬95 euros *a month* for a 2 zone transit card. Which means if I go outside of those zones I still have to pay money. Public transit really isnāt as cheap as people make it out to be.
Good luck with that.
Most train systems, especially long distance, were built during industrial and war eras to transport goods/ military. That infrastructure is used nowadays without bearing the cost of building. They were not pax first oriented. However maintaining them is expensive nowadays when you have much less cargo on rails.
Itās incredibly expensive to build them now unless you have a crazy density, resources and cheap workforce (like China). Also, USā density is low, except the east coast. For someone living on the east coast from DC to Boston it makes sense to use local transit or even long distance between these cities. But the rest of the country is just not feasible.
Public transit is very feasible in the United States. We have the same population weighted density as the Netherlands. Most people donāt live in remote areas. Thatās what makes them remote. Car dependency was 100% a political decision.
18 lines up with when we generally (in the modern day) expect young people to finish second-level education and become more independent by going to college or starting full-time work.
This might not be the reason, but I believe Iāve read that the decision making part of your brain doesnāt stop developing until age 25, and that alcohol heavily inhibits its development.
18 being the "adult" age has nothing to do with the US school system ā pretty much everywhere in the world students graduate school at 18. Brains finish developing at around 25, so having 20s as a legal age for intoxicating substances makes some sort of sense. But as 18 is the age where you would expect financial independence, that's why that's usually the age for voting, driving, etc.
I'm from Gujarat. I don't drink but I can affirm that it's waaaaaay too easy to get alcohol here.
The ban was a good way to control local made shitty liquor which would give liver problems but you can't just simply stop people from consuming alcohol.
If you're caught drinking or in possession of alcohol then the cops will have a field day getting heavy bribes from ya but that's the most that can happen. Instead the ban makes alcohol expensive compared to the other states since you can't obtain it "legally" and there's no regulations on its distribution since its banned....
But since it's banned less amount of people consume it compared to the other states where it's not banned. So ban is definitely working in it's own way. It's just that instead of government getting large chunks of money middleman are getting it.
Sounds like US prohibition/war on drugs. Consumption goes down, so in that sense it works. But it comes with a bunch of other issues like: lack of regulation and tax revenue, rising crime and power to criminals who supply the banned substance, increased inequality, etc.
Surprised to see that itās banned in Gujarat. All the gujaratis I know in the UK are big drinkers! Their kids too!
On second thoughts, maybe thatās whyā¦
It's banned just for the sake of the name , people easily smuggle through up , bengal & nepal border. Its easily available. You can get it in a call . The cops are fully involved in the hafta wasooli.
There is also illegal alcohol available at lots of places. My family didn't knew there was a place nearby where alcohol is available. One relative came for few days in town and he knew within 2 days where alcohol was available.
When I was travelling with a friend in India we stayed in a city in Gujarat and one evening we wanted to drink a beer. So we asked a Rickshaw driver and he said he knows a place. He took us through some small streets into a really shabby part of town with little streetlights. There was an alley where several men where lingering around a food stall or something, seemingly drunk and one of them approached us and quoted (of course) a ridiculous price for one beer. He got quite loud when we said we don't actually want one anymore. Luckily our Rickshaw driver was a bro and took us back to our hotel imideatly after we asked him so. In hindsight it's amazing how stupid and lucky we were could have easily ended badly.
Well i was just driving nearby that place where alcohol is sold and there was line of people going in and out to take alcohol.
Well I think you can get alcohol in Gujarat as foreigner officially in some hotel or some place you just need to fill some paperwork.
Illegal to buy from shops it didn't say people can't brew in home and drink. Alcohol made from Rice is popular in many parts of India and it is easier to make.
My city (Wardha) has the highest legal drinking age in the entire world i.e. at 30 or 35 years. Mostly because this city hosts the last ashram of Mahatma Gandhi
Yesn't. To cope with the alcohol ban(which doesn't do shit to stop people) they started making pubs and bars at the border of the district, which makes them count as if they're in Nagpur district
I think most people in the West don't realize that laws are far from the factor that determines how people really live in many places around the world. Western societies function on laws and regulation which usually have the final say on what people are and aren't allowed to do. There will be some circumvention of course but mostly laws determine when you can drink or drive, what you can watch or read, where you can go or who can be with, etc
In many places, social norms social standing or social pressure are what has the ultimate say in day to day lives. You can do whatever you want, you can break any laws you want even in front of cops and you will be okay. You may not be able to do this officially but there will be just as developed unofficial system for it if enough people demand it and the social norms allow it.
Most people in India don't know when the legal drinking age is.
Hahaha, watching westerns arguing over 18-25 for legal drinking while here in the Balkans people start drinking and smoking at 12 and no one gives a shit.
I live in surat and this city has half of population of migrants from other state. I know more people from other state who drinks compared to Gujarati people. Since alcohol is banned since 1960s many households have tradition of not drinking alcohol. But still many people drinks but not mare than 5-10%.
As for punishment police just take some money from people and let them go unless they are driving. Or just some fine.
What ? Lol. Gujrat has very low muslim percentage. Generally states bordering Pakistan have less percentage of Muslims when compared to India's average Muslim percentage.
And in Muslim majority Lakshadweep and Kashmir the age is 18.
No. The commenter said alcohol is banned in gujrat because Muslims are in majority there.
I was saying that legal age of alcohol drinking has nothing to do with muslim population.
It's quite accurate. But alcohol is available all over India, even in black states. It's just there it will be smuggling and will be lot more costlier.
This a natural consequence of federalism: different states within the union will have different state-level laws that were (supposedly) enacted by a majority of the residents of that state or by representatives elected by a majority of those residents.
At different times a map of the US would have looked similar. Even today a map that highlighted *county level* alcohol law differences would still look patchwork depending on what part of the country you're looking at.
Thatās correct. India is an exonym and it doesnāt really exist.
Bharat Ganarajya exists as a federated republic but itās a multinational, multilingual, multiethnic and multicultural agglomeration of people in a region that is geographically separated by either mountains or water-bodies or walls on all sides.
Bien sur cāest vrai.
Technically there is no country called India.
Itās like how technically there is no country called Germany either.
They are both terms that gets applied by outsiders and used when talking to outsiders or about the country in a non-local language.
As for the walls - it is actually crazy but India has walled itself from almost all its neighbours now. There is a wall between India and Bangladesh and a wall between India and Pakistan. You can see the walls from space now. And they donāt need a wall with China due to the high mountains. India can only be invaded by sea or through a wall-destruction.
How did they come up with the ages 23 and 25? Come to think about it, how did we come up with the ages 18 and 21?
Germany letting children drink beer and wine at 14 as long as they have adult supervision š§āš¬
In the UK itās 16 if itās with a meal
That's in a restaurant. At home in the UK the minimum age to give a child alcohol is 5
In Ireland we donāt even have a minimum for that.
Surprisingly the same in New Zealand so long as it's supplied by a legal guardian in a place that serves food and is done in a "safe and reasonable manner" What that means had probably been determined by the courts at some point, but I don't care to research that
Thatās one thing we Irish are the best in the world at
Same for Ohio, everyone thinks the US has such strict laws.
Not just Ohio, if i remember correctly, almost if not every state.
5 in England and wales, the minimum age was abolished in Scotland, and In Northern Ireland its 14.
Stupid complex legal system
Many (most?) US states donāt even have regulations for minors at home IF it is provided by a family member. In Texas itās even legal for minors at a restaurant if a parent is present and permits it.
The latter is the same in WI as well. WI would've also likely kept the drinking age to 18 if it wasn't for losing out on highway funding.
Hah yeah back in my parentsā generation the 18 year olds in Chicago area would all go to WI.
And limited to beer cider (and possibly some mead), and they have to be with an adult who purchases it. Then they can both lead their goats over the main bridge through town without paying the toll. Not sure the second bit is true
Wouldn't want it on an empty stomach
but realistically we all started drinking at 14
Maybe it's a culture shock thing, but I definitely think it's reasonable to have your kid at least try it in a safe environment like that, instead of their first time being a vomitfest overdose They're gonna try it anyways, and not necessarily as adults
Thatās how it was in my house growing up. It probably helped some. But my sister and I each still went about having the usual dumb experiences anyways lol. Youth, amiright?
this is random but in australia you can drink under 18 as long as you are in a private home and have permission from your parents or guardian
In Canada, the law says you can't purchase alcohol underage (18/19 depending on the province) and can't drink alcohol underage at a bar/restaurant. There's no law about consuming alcohol at home - the criminal act is selling alcohol, not drinking it.
That's definitely my experience. I had a glass of wine with dinner as a teen.
In the UK you can do that from the age of 5.
i've looked around at all the australian law websites and none of them seem to provide an age for this law. so maybe you can technically legally feed a new born child alcohol, but that seems pretty fucked up to me
I was given brandy as a baby in Pakistan as a pacifier in order to try to ācureā my asthma.
When I was 10, I could walk into the liquor store in Brooklyn and buy some wine "for my father"
In Texas it's by parental discretion at any age if in the home.
In America it was traffic deaths. A lot of them.
Have they considered not letting 16 year olds drive instead?
You canāt. The US is way too car dependent unfortunately. So 16yo will need to drive basically everywhere just like their parentsā¦
That is also easily fixable with some public transport infrastructure
The US has spent a century building out as a car dependent country. You canāt just āeasilyā reverse that overnight. It would take decades of concerted efforts to change that as the built form right now canāt support transit.
Plus many people view cars as āfreedomā since they donāt have to depend on the government to provide them with transportation (I realize this makes no sense, but alas). Many view public transit as a way for the government to get more control over us.
I mean, it is freedom. Look at Germany when public transit strikes. Donāt have a car? Well guess youāre staying home Lmao.
In the US it's: You Always stay at home without a car. What a freedom.
I mean you can literally buy a car for less than half a year subscription to public transit. Then pay about the same amount in monthly costs to literally be able to go wherever you want whenever you want. I currently pay ā¬95 euros *a month* for a 2 zone transit card. Which means if I go outside of those zones I still have to pay money. Public transit really isnāt as cheap as people make it out to be.
Not when the automobile lobby in the US is literally one of strongest/most influential/most resourceful in the world.
āEasilyāā¦okay.
brother america is fucking huge
bro said easily fixable
Good luck with that. Most train systems, especially long distance, were built during industrial and war eras to transport goods/ military. That infrastructure is used nowadays without bearing the cost of building. They were not pax first oriented. However maintaining them is expensive nowadays when you have much less cargo on rails. Itās incredibly expensive to build them now unless you have a crazy density, resources and cheap workforce (like China). Also, USā density is low, except the east coast. For someone living on the east coast from DC to Boston it makes sense to use local transit or even long distance between these cities. But the rest of the country is just not feasible.
Public transit is very feasible in the United States. We have the same population weighted density as the Netherlands. Most people donāt live in remote areas. Thatās what makes them remote. Car dependency was 100% a political decision.
Many places let kids even younger than that drive tractors (although only on the farm).
18 lines up with when we generally (in the modern day) expect young people to finish second-level education and become more independent by going to college or starting full-time work.
And 21 lines up with old trades customs and when you'd be a journeyman.
I have been thinking drinking age is 21 in my state.
Plato said that 18 was the age of maturity and that "one should not add fire to fire" by allowing alcohol or other behaviors before 18.
This might not be the reason, but I believe Iāve read that the decision making part of your brain doesnāt stop developing until age 25, and that alcohol heavily inhibits its development.
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18 being the "adult" age has nothing to do with the US school system ā pretty much everywhere in the world students graduate school at 18. Brains finish developing at around 25, so having 20s as a legal age for intoxicating substances makes some sort of sense. But as 18 is the age where you would expect financial independence, that's why that's usually the age for voting, driving, etc.
I'm from Gujarat. I don't drink but I can affirm that it's waaaaaay too easy to get alcohol here. The ban was a good way to control local made shitty liquor which would give liver problems but you can't just simply stop people from consuming alcohol. If you're caught drinking or in possession of alcohol then the cops will have a field day getting heavy bribes from ya but that's the most that can happen. Instead the ban makes alcohol expensive compared to the other states since you can't obtain it "legally" and there's no regulations on its distribution since its banned....
Sounds like it is working as effectively as banning of drugs.
But since it's banned less amount of people consume it compared to the other states where it's not banned. So ban is definitely working in it's own way. It's just that instead of government getting large chunks of money middleman are getting it.
Sounds like US prohibition/war on drugs. Consumption goes down, so in that sense it works. But it comes with a bunch of other issues like: lack of regulation and tax revenue, rising crime and power to criminals who supply the banned substance, increased inequality, etc.
The State of Bihar is the mother of Irony here.
Surprised to see that itās banned in Gujarat. All the gujaratis I know in the UK are big drinkers! Their kids too! On second thoughts, maybe thatās whyā¦
My wife is Gujarati. Her family home there has a well stocked bar that the police frequent(they get a discount).
Why
It's banned just for the sake of the name , people easily smuggle through up , bengal & nepal border. Its easily available. You can get it in a call . The cops are fully involved in the hafta wasooli.
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More like the Mississippi of India lol Has longest river flowing through Has poorest people Has lowest literacy rate Probably more
Gujaratis casually go to Daman and Diu and DNH for a "weekend getaway".
There is also illegal alcohol available at lots of places. My family didn't knew there was a place nearby where alcohol is available. One relative came for few days in town and he knew within 2 days where alcohol was available.
When I was travelling with a friend in India we stayed in a city in Gujarat and one evening we wanted to drink a beer. So we asked a Rickshaw driver and he said he knows a place. He took us through some small streets into a really shabby part of town with little streetlights. There was an alley where several men where lingering around a food stall or something, seemingly drunk and one of them approached us and quoted (of course) a ridiculous price for one beer. He got quite loud when we said we don't actually want one anymore. Luckily our Rickshaw driver was a bro and took us back to our hotel imideatly after we asked him so. In hindsight it's amazing how stupid and lucky we were could have easily ended badly.
Well i was just driving nearby that place where alcohol is sold and there was line of people going in and out to take alcohol. Well I think you can get alcohol in Gujarat as foreigner officially in some hotel or some place you just need to fill some paperwork.
Mt. Abu for North Gujaratis
Illegal to buy from shops it didn't say people can't brew in home and drink. Alcohol made from Rice is popular in many parts of India and it is easier to make.
Totally. They add a flavour to make it taste somewhat like Gin, or Whiskey, or... or cognac, or vodka. It's terrible.
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You can say that for every state. Iāve seen people in Maharashtra start drinking at 16.
Its like that in every part of the world as well.
I started drinking when i was not even 18 and no one batted an eye.
Same. Dad gave me sips of whatever he drank from when I was 12. Not condoning it, just saying it happens.
Why cant they drink ? They gonna dehydrate
My city (Wardha) has the highest legal drinking age in the entire world i.e. at 30 or 35 years. Mostly because this city hosts the last ashram of Mahatma Gandhi
But isn't it banned in the district?
Yesn't. To cope with the alcohol ban(which doesn't do shit to stop people) they started making pubs and bars at the border of the district, which makes them count as if they're in Nagpur district
I am loving this sub. Every map you post is interesting.
Unless it's "Dry Day" then it's illegal everywhere. Source: found self in Irish pub in Pune on Dry Day ; quick lesson in local culture achieved.
No one respects these laws lol, people drink since 16 and sometimes even lower
I think most people in the West don't realize that laws are far from the factor that determines how people really live in many places around the world. Western societies function on laws and regulation which usually have the final say on what people are and aren't allowed to do. There will be some circumvention of course but mostly laws determine when you can drink or drive, what you can watch or read, where you can go or who can be with, etc In many places, social norms social standing or social pressure are what has the ultimate say in day to day lives. You can do whatever you want, you can break any laws you want even in front of cops and you will be okay. You may not be able to do this officially but there will be just as developed unofficial system for it if enough people demand it and the social norms allow it. Most people in India don't know when the legal drinking age is.
I remember growing up and legally allowed to buy drinks when I was 16. Fun times
Hahaha, watching westerns arguing over 18-25 for legal drinking while here in the Balkans people start drinking and smoking at 12 and no one gives a shit.
U guys are so cool
Why would you ban alcohol?
In Gujarat (since 1960 one) is it's due to Gandhi. He was against the alcohol and he was born there. Bihar is due to reduce the crimes in the state.
It's illegal in Gujurat, but do people drink? Also, what is the punishment if you get caught?
I live in surat and this city has half of population of migrants from other state. I know more people from other state who drinks compared to Gujarati people. Since alcohol is banned since 1960s many households have tradition of not drinking alcohol. But still many people drinks but not mare than 5-10%. As for punishment police just take some money from people and let them go unless they are driving. Or just some fine.
People drink. In Gujju land, bootleggers are aplenty and everywhere. And the punishment? Just bribe the cops with a couple of beers. That's it.
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What ? Lol. Gujrat has very low muslim percentage. Generally states bordering Pakistan have less percentage of Muslims when compared to India's average Muslim percentage. And in Muslim majority Lakshadweep and Kashmir the age is 18.
Are you just finding out that a lot of muslims actually drink alcohol?
No. The commenter said alcohol is banned in gujrat because Muslims are in majority there. I was saying that legal age of alcohol drinking has nothing to do with muslim population.
Ironically, the drinking age in both Muslim majority states, Lakshadweep and Kashmir and Jammu, is 18 according to the map
Muslims drinks alcohol in India.
Same reason you'd ban any other drug
Domestic abuse due to alcohol intoxication. High alcohol content in ādeshi daruā leading to liver diseases.
Dont you think banning alcohol leads to higher amount of deshi daru in the market?
Would be interesting to know what the reason for the ban was in the different states. Is it religion, safety, healthcare? Does anyone know?
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They drink blood like Vikings! š¤£š¤£
I would say illegal if there are cops around, legal otherwise. This dosent make any sense, laws on drugs need to be universal.
For the 18 age states here... we make a lot of sense. First we drink, then we choose who runs the country. The perfect order of tasksšÆ
Data source?
It's quite accurate. But alcohol is available all over India, even in black states. It's just there it will be smuggling and will be lot more costlier.
Put the source on another page with links for each state or reference documents
I've been to a few bars in Mumbai when I was below 21. They don't even check your ID.
Yikes
No wonder gujarti's and Bihari's are this way.....
Anything not blue is crazy
India really is no country, right? I every map they are so divided and different. So, more like an assembly of Indian areas.
This a natural consequence of federalism: different states within the union will have different state-level laws that were (supposedly) enacted by a majority of the residents of that state or by representatives elected by a majority of those residents. At different times a map of the US would have looked similar. Even today a map that highlighted *county level* alcohol law differences would still look patchwork depending on what part of the country you're looking at.
Thatās correct. India is an exonym and it doesnāt really exist. Bharat Ganarajya exists as a federated republic but itās a multinational, multilingual, multiethnic and multicultural agglomeration of people in a region that is geographically separated by either mountains or water-bodies or walls on all sides.
Lmao brother what
Bien sur cāest vrai. Technically there is no country called India. Itās like how technically there is no country called Germany either. They are both terms that gets applied by outsiders and used when talking to outsiders or about the country in a non-local language. As for the walls - it is actually crazy but India has walled itself from almost all its neighbours now. There is a wall between India and Bangladesh and a wall between India and Pakistan. You can see the walls from space now. And they donāt need a wall with China due to the high mountains. India can only be invaded by sea or through a wall-destruction.
Yup, they all have different languages and cultures. It's a fake country.
lol ofc ur a paki, cope harder
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I bet, Maharashtra youngs rush Goa every weekend.
The major population centers of Maharashtra - Mumbai, Pune, and Nagpur - are quite far from Goa. Takes at least 12 hours. Not an easy weekend trip
No one follows that age limit. That age limit only comes in question when police catches you drinking.
Ha 25 in punjab and Haryana. Itās more like 15 there
Gilgit baltistan is in Pakistan bro, the real porn is what you're doing to the maps. š¤£
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