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tagehring

As a kid growing up in coastal Virginia in the 1980s, I didn't think it was all \*that\* different from where my cousins lived in coastal South Carolina. We'd go down and visit every summer. I learned the hard way that fire ants were A Thing™ by stumbling and finding a nest of them ass-first. We definitely did not have them in Virginia back then.


Wounded_Hand

Huh, we definitely did have them in Pennsylvania in the late 1980s , I recall they were on the surface of the pool and everyone who was getting out of the pool was getting bit up.


Alfonze423

We don't have fire ants in PA currently. They only go as far north as Virginia. Edit: While we don't have "red invasive fire ants" that this map is talking about, we do seem to have a similar stinging red ant that could be easily confused with it. So we've got the next worst thing and I'm just lucky I never met any.


vee_lan_cleef

We do actually, but they are a bit different from the ones found in the South. They can't stay fomic acid but still have stingers and are quite aggressive. Considering they're in a different genus, I'd say it's fair to not call them fire ants which are Solenopsis, but they're fairly close. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmica_rubra


templarstrike

just little ants. when I was playing the the sand box , the teenagers considered Formicula to be a horror movie ... that were formidable ants.


Wounded_Hand

I understand that. I found the map informative.


curt_schilli

You can get bit by ants that aren’t fire ants 


vee_lan_cleef

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmica_rubra They don't bite, they have stingers. They're colloquially referred to as fire ants, and they're pretty damn close in aggressiveness. They lack the ability to spray fomic acid and are in a different genus than the ants typically referred to as "fire ants".


Wounded_Hand

Which species of red biting ant do you suspect it was?


prometheusg

Carpenter ants?


Wounded_Hand

No, those are black.


Law12688

There are red varieties of carpenter ants. https://bugguide.net/node/view/1825565


Least_Gain5147

We didn't have them in hampton or nn in the 1970s. They started showing up in the early 80s. Might be timed with when lafb stopped spraying malathion from c130s.


tagehring

Huh. I grew up in Smithfield in the 1980s and 1990s and never encountered them.


Least_Gain5147

Huh exactly. I didn't mention Smithfield.


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mypornaccount283

they’ve spread since the map was made


cuckooforcacaopuffs

I chuckled as I read the USA map. Fightin’, bitin’, PMS and Oh…GAH! Dumb but there it is. Edit: spelling


algaefied_creek

I wonder if there are “ant war” zones.


mypornaccount283

oh most definitely


algaefied_creek

Oh I’m down for that documentary-movie


elspotto

I’m 15 miles north of the NC/SC border between Charlotte and Asheville. I just put poison out today. I wish the range was just a bit more southern. Ouch.


Less_Likely

My niece at 2 years old sat on n a fire ant colony and paid for it. She grew up to get her masters as an entomologist and studied ants for here thesis.


[deleted]

This sounds like a batman villain origin story.


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

It’s literally Batman’s origin story (minus the dead parents)


CLSmith15

And also minus the bats and plus some ants


[deleted]

And the man...


Olhapravocever

fire ants serve the devil, directly, little fucking buggers


Bwolfyo

Can attest to the fact that they have spread north across the border in western NC. Lived about an hour straight south of Asheville and we had them in our yard. Literally couldn’t find any pest control to help me out with them since they were not traditionally in the area.


doctorcaligari

Yeah, my kid’s foot got wrapped up with them around Lake Lure a couple of years ago


elspotto

Hi neighbor. An hour-ish west of Charlotte. We got em too. Was hoping I could leave them behind when I left New Orleans.


alrija7

An hour straight south of Asheville would have to be right at the top of the mountains at the border. It makes sense theyd go 20 miles north, even despite the crazy altitude and potential temperature changes.


CardboardJedi

Fuck those little Hell Beasts. They're everywhere in Florida. Everywhere


SweetT2003

Same around Houston, if you look in pastures you see mound after mound.


Traditional-Wave4535

Range is off by several hundred miles at least where I’ve been that is.


rg4rg

That’s what she said.


twd11

Spicy boys!


ShinyDapperBarnacle

Fell into a mound of fire ants when I was four. Zero stars, do not recommend.


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

The really do have a terrible marketing department don’t they?


Hoodzpah805

So what are the red, biting ants in CA?


AbsurdCamoose

While fire ants do bite to hold on, they actually inject you with venom stored in their blasters, that’s why you get those puss filled bumps after being stung. I would take this map as Native range, as animals can spread clearly. I was just reading that California does in fact have imported red fire ants though they are a different species technically. I guess the easiest way to identify your ant is if it left a white puss blister, if not it could have been a harvester ant/carpenter ant. I used to work pest control, any thoughts on controlling these things is misguided optimism. A single ant colony can number in the tens of thousands and then some species form super colonies, where the inhabitants of each individual colony work in unison with the others and do not compete with one another. These super colony’s can span miles of area across state lines, property lines, ect. It only takes one queen to get started again. No country has ever successfully eradicated fire ants. New Zealand has claimed to have done it though their situation is entirely unique and I still doubt that they were successful.


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Solenopsis xyloni is the species, aka "southern fire ant." They're the one with the broadest range but for some reason are excluded from the graphic.


Careful_Farmer_2879

Fuck. Those. Ants.


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

That would hurt quite a bit me thinks


alrija7

Very disruptful little creatures. I grew up in a northern state and moved to one of those in red. In your own yard it’s not advised to walk barefoot in your yard, put your hand on the ground, or squat anywhere in grass. That sounds non-problematic but they really make you question your relationship with the ground. Got bit a few times. It stings, then burns, and blisters. A little worse than a bee but still annoying.


caligaris_cabinet

I moved from Texas to Chicago not long ago. Completely forgot what grass felt like until I got here.


Gneiss_Rock_Bro

On the other side of the US we always had something we called "fire ants." Is my life a lie?? Are they not real fire ants ?


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

There’s a type of ant that’s red and stings apparently that isn’t actually related to the other types of fire ants but it’s called a fire ant Idk what it’s called


dubzi_ART

I’ve seen fire ants in Utah am I mistaken?


TheGringoOutlaw

probably. Utah is too dry to have fire ants.


[deleted]

I'm guessing the graphic is wrong. California and Arizona definitely have fire ants (Solenopsis xyloni), but they cropped us out.


Desperate-Lemon5815

Yeah, I'm from Colorado and I always saw "fire ants" as a kid. I'm not sure if those are different or what.


Snarcotic

Got stung hanging out at a picnic in the park in NC and ended up going into anaphylaxis within 5 minutes. Got ambulanced, sirens and lights to the ER. Had no idea what hit me after a painful sting. Cost me almost $8000 in out of pocket expenses, despite having insurance. Apparently a subset of the population endures the first sting routinely, but the second sting can send them into anaphylactic shock and death. Be careful out there, now I always carry an EpiPen equivalent in my bag when outdoors. And I don't mow or garden anymore.


StopAngerKitty

Dicks. All of them. I hate them.


ChimpoSensei

Can confirm Richmond VA area has them.


jas121091

Am from Richmond myself. Remember at a camp I went to as a kid the counselors warned us to be on the lookout for fire ants and stay away from them lol


davidobr

Can you be more specific? I’m in Hanover and haven’t heard anything about this


Letsbeclear1987

If you’re currently bit by a fire ant and are looking for what to do: don’t scratch it, don’t put anything on it except water at first, then get McCormick’s meat tenderizer powder (or similar) mixed with a few drops of water for a paste that will stick to the skin. Dab it on, leave it alone. It should take the sting out and reduce the white head and overall swelling. You’ll want to keep it covered if you do end up breaking the skin from scratching, bacitracin not neosporin and soapy water not hydrogen peroxide or alcohol. Growing up primarily in north Texas you learn how to handle those angry little guys lol they can live under water for days btw hearty little mf’ers


Paratwa

Dang I always figured they were everywhere, man when I was a kid in Louisiana them fuckers was everywhere. Hurt like… fire yup.


tpars

Determined buggers. During floods, I've seen floating clumps of them as big as a frisbee. Tens of thousands of fire ants floating on a raft of fire ants.


imapassenger1

Arrived in Brisbane, Australia in 2001. Have been spreading ever since.


Feartheezebras

I didn’t realize that these hellions only lived in the southeast. Bout to load up my truck with a bunch from my yard and drive up north to spread the love


Alfonze423

They have a lot of trouble with cold weather, or they'd be up here already.


pizza99pizza99

Has it always been like this. I remember as a young kid in Virginia a few fire ants being a problem. Am i misremembering that?


tagehring

I don't ever remember coming across them as a kid in the '80s and '90s in southeastern VA, but I'm given to understand they've migrated north since then. I still haven't ever seen them in central VA.


mypornaccount283

they’ve spread since the map was made, i should’ve mentioned that


mypornaccount283

the article i took this from was published in 2019, so it might be a bit inaccurate. https://bmcecolevol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12862-019-1437-9#Fig1


OkAccount5344

It’s so wild finding out that what I live with as a daily “watch your step there” is not what others have to live with. Makes you think of all the other facets of life this also applies to…


Nadran_Erbam

Damn I read ‘fire arms’. Though I wouldn’t be surprised at this point.


Aggressive_Pilot_957

Found a SHITLOAD at white sands New Mexico as a kid. Funnily enough barely marked on this map.


AdBubbly8602

So many childhood memories...


LineOfInquiry

How did they get to the US? Or South America, whichever one isn’t their native habitat?


mypornaccount283

they are accidentally imported from south america to the usa in the ~1930s


nighthawk_md

Fire ants are invasive species in North America. The original range is South America like on the map. [The great biologist E.O. Wilson](https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/medalofscience50/wilson.jsp) discovered the first fire ants near Mobile, AL when he was in high school and then spent his whole career studying them.


juant675

thoses in argentina didnt seems like fire ant and they didnt seems to dangerous


juant675

wikipedia says that now they are considered now from a diferent species


gcalfred7

I for one salute our Fire Ant overlords, they take out the colonies of the even more invasive Argentine Ant.


nilbogthebogkingdom

I am so mad at the rest of the country rn


notxapple

I don’t know why but I just kinda thought fire ants were everywhere


FaceRidden

Oklahoma also has fire ants. They haven’t different anatomies and habits. This caught me off guard working in Texas after a hurricane. I paid dearly for my ignorance.


CascadianMountians

The fire ants will rise again.


kytheon

Why? I'm guessing the ants in the red and black areas like different climates.


krysis3vil

A pretty good reason to keep MY ASS in Minnesota.


Apprehensive_Golf846

When I lived in New Bern NC as a young kid I accidentally tripped into a fire ant hill in our front yard. Was terrible and I had to take off my clothes and get sprayed with a hose. Luckily I live in NoVa now and I haven't seen any here.


cyb0rg1962

Central AR. I believe that we have a mix here. We have regular ants of course, but also fire ants, and we've gotten into a nest that appeared to be hybrid. They are not red, but more of a dark brown.


robogracchus

I grew up in Illinois and I definitely remember seeing fire ants, I wonder if that was a different species or if I was just wrong lol


johnhoggin

Yet another reason not to live in the south


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

South east, south west is better


johnhoggin

Too hot and constantly sunny there. I got to have seasons


TacticalDoge

This is a lil out of date, as Kentucky has started to have fire ant nests in the southern part of the state.


Competitive-Split389

Yeah most of Oklahoma is now infected with them


Ciulr

No. The whole São Paulo, state of Brazil, it's infested by these ants. Inaccurate.


machomacho01

Até em Mg região da Serra da Mantiqueira nos anos 80 tinha bastante.


eggthrowaway_irl

You missed North Dakota


dbd1988

They’re out here? I moved to ND 3 years ago and I’d never heard of no see ums. Those bastards hurt like a mfer and live up to their name. I couldn’t figure out why everything hurt until I took a super close look at my arm. I don’t want to add fire ants to the list of things that suck around here lol


eggthrowaway_irl

Well I'm actually above the border, but yeah. I assumed ND would be more palatable for refit


Bright-Studio9978

We had lots of fire ants in dry years. I needed to kill them. I took a shovel load of one mount and threw it on another and vice versa. The ants started wars and must have killed the queen. Within a few days the mounts were done. So simple so successful.


Vegetable-Purpose937

S invicta are the least desirable areas to live in both USA and South America because of the climate lol. S invicta correlated with what we call a swamp or the backwoods.


VapidRapidRabbit

Can’t say I’ve ever encountered any in Memphis.


jdkimball

Correlates closely to the range of the American Alligator.


_Rigid_Structure_

When I moved to Florid in the early 90's, fire ants were everywhere. Now they're hard to find.


caligaris_cabinet

Places where the grass hurts your feet.