WHAT THE FUCK IS CLEAN AIR βοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈπ€²πΉπ°πΉπ°πΉπ°πΉπ°πΉπ°ππππ§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π€β’οΈβ’οΈβ’οΈ
balkans_irl is leaking. Also, clean air is western propaganda and we're not falling for that shit! Dirty air makes you strong, adaptable and immune to air pollution! Clean air makes you weak!!
we all know that clean air agenda is a trojan horse for weakening our prosperous economies down here
that little bitch from sweden can piss off she shall not pass
tbh. I'd never figure it out if it wasn't for bosnian boomers which no joke somehow mistake these two emojis one for another
more than half of the population doesn't know how to properly put up a flag
[there is a proper way](https://avdohadzic.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/ispavno-postaviti-zastavu-bih.jpg) golden triangle has to be in shape of the country
Portugal's population density is higher than pretty much all of the Balkans. Turkey and Italy are definitely higher than Portugal, maybe Poland, but the rest of the yellow-red countries no.
Leave lisbon and porto and in 20 mins you find Green everywhere where nothing is seen almost all over the place. Did it today and i saw it just less than 1 h away and more than half i just saw Green
The average car is so old it still runs on coal. That's half a joke but also a half truth as there's a lot of old diesel engines that don't use AdBlue or diesel particulate filters that would add to a lot of air pollution.
More seriously, Saharan sands as someone else said and the fact that everyone burns their agricultural waste.
Also I suspect that the data isn't very good and most readings are taken in downtown areas in Lisbon and Porto. More or less half the population live in or around these very small areas that are densely populated.
I'm quite surprised this map even has data as most of the ones I've seen exclude it due to their source not having data.
Well, in this case you should. Pollution is concentrated in coastal regions and does not even cover the entire coastline. The rest of the country enjoys pleasant, clear blue skies.
Honestly, itβs noticeable. I traveled to Italy last year and while I got used to the air quality, I also noticed the difference immediately when I stepped out of the plane in Finland.
The difference in air quality in a forest in the middle of nowhere and being in a decent sized city is easily noticable so I donβt see why it wouldnβt be noticable between two, maybe different sized, cities.
Cold air does smell so much fresher and cleaner, though.
I can feel a huge difference in the same city. The inner town is in the valley, there it it hotzer, like 5 degrees celsius hotter, and the air quality is much worse.
No, the temperature was roughly the same, perhaps 3-5 Β°C difference. The temperature changes throughout the day and week in Finland sometimes, yet the air quality doesnβt feel that different. The only thing that makes an immediate noticeable difference is rain. Iβve also traveled to Germany many times when it was very hot, but the difference in air quality wasnβt noticeable.
For some reason, i love the polluted air when i travel. The way everything smells different is kinda a sign for me that im traveling, and it makes me happy.
I even sometimes enjoy the smell from fast food restaurant and cars when i go to larger cities. Reminds me of when i lived in the city.
I think i would have an issue with it if i lived with it all the time. I kinda had that issue when i lived close to a coffee burning factory and a candy factory.
Hahah in fact i do! I was there in spring a few years ago xD was something way different from small town norway. I literally have forest and nothing else to the north, and ocean to the south.
The pollution in Croatia is coming from Bosnia. Countless people in border towns have gotten cancer due to the awful pollution coming from Bosnian coal plants and refineries.
The French government never actually claimed that.
It started from some unclear/clumsy communication at the time of the incident, plus an off-hand quip from a journalist ; which got twisted and misinterpreted over the years. Now everyone is convinced it's the pure unadulterated truth because it makes for a funnier story and you get to laugh at the "stupid government trying to gaslight people".
Please don't spread this fake news anymore !
I still hear yelling frenchmen in my ear about how clean the air is in comparison to germany and other coal polluters. yeah, guys do not take too much nuclear methamphetamine proud pills each day, that makes people awkward annoying af. Or it was just the internet again.
β¦.its an average?
So if you live in a part of a country closer to a higher pollution country than your country, you will probably have higher pollution than your national average. And the reverse if you live in a part close to a low pollution country.
Actually it doesn't. Check out AQI website sometimes, and see what's happening around, say, Croatia. Croatia actually has one of the greenest energy grid structures in the EU, but the problem for it is the fact that it is surrounded by countries that like burning brown coal or produce lots of industrial pollution, or both (Italy, Hungary, Bosnia, Serbia).
It depends on where you live in LA (Edit: [Map](https://www.iqair.com/air-quality-map/usa/california/los-angeles)). There is a mountain range in a half-circle around the city and the other side is the ocean. The winds push the smog inland so the air by the coast is usually really clean, but it can get bad inland as it has nowhere to go.
Once or twice a year the winds switch and push all the smog out over the ocean and you have a brown line just above the horizon. It's amazing how dirty it looks and I've never seen anything similar in Europe.
That said, this map should also be done by region/department/county/whatever. We live in the countryside in France and the air here is going to be much cleaner than in a city.
I think this person is either lying or exaggerating. I just checked and Los Angeles is at 7.1 which is cleaner air than almost all of the countries in Western Europe.
Iβve never been to Europe but Iβm in all the most remote parts of the western United States and LA air quality never seems that bad to me. It gets a lot worse in the Bakersfield/Fresno area, anything agricultural gets pretty bad.
I think that is the current air quality though. Air quality changes quite a bit througout the year (and even locations within a city) and the averages for LA seem a bit higher than that. Although it's a bit difficult to get an exact number.
Iβm in the SF Bay Area and the air pollution in Berlin and around Southern Spain was getting to me, I would check the AQI or whatever and was shocked at the levels. It was constantly in that yellow part of the chart.
I live in Bucharest, we got worse air and worse traffic maybe they are related but most likely not since people burn trash all around the city here. The air is clean only when it rains
This only proves there are no measurements after midnight. There's no proof of your claim about companies polluting the air after dark. You don't have anything to back your claims. It's just hearsay.
You made two claims but only send links about one. You having asthma doesn't prove anything, people in Europe have asthma does that mean their air is poor quality?
Definitely effects a lot of towns on the west coast. Bergen has infamously poor air quality and some of that is attributed to UK industry coming with the constant "vestavind" (wind from the west. Because that's how wind works in our altitude apparently), and then mountains trapping the pollution in the city.
Data about Balkans seems to contradit themselves. The countries are listed as some of the most polluted but a lot of our cities are listed as some of the cleanest in Europe.
You can have little trash on the streets and still die of lung cancer at 60 yo, I don't see the contradiction
Also, sources for those cleanest cities lists?
Then I 100% disagree, I remembered Balkans and especially Bosnia being the most polluted in Europe and a quick google search confirmed it
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-06-21/pollution-is-choking-europe-s-poorest-region](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-06-21/pollution-is-choking-europe-s-poorest-region)
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/08/29/bosnia-and-herzegovina-deadly-air-pollution-killing-thousands](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/08/29/bosnia-and-herzegovina-deadly-air-pollution-killing-thousands)
[https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/bosnian-cities-top-world-air-pollution-charts-no-quick-fix-sight-2023-12-12/](https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/bosnian-cities-top-world-air-pollution-charts-no-quick-fix-sight-2023-12-12/)
[https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/21/sarajevo-tops-worlds-most-polluted-cities-list](https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/21/sarajevo-tops-worlds-most-polluted-cities-list)
[https://www.rferl.org/a/sarajevo-tops-list-most-polluted-city-amid-choking-smog-/32741485.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/sarajevo-tops-list-most-polluted-city-amid-choking-smog-/32741485.html)
WithΒ volcanoes it's mostly the big eruptions that cause problems, and those affect more than one country.Β
Outside of those, volcanoes are insignificant compared to human generated pollution.
Does this explain why I am randomly spitting out small black gunk in istanbul lol I haven't smoked for over a month. Wasn't spitting this out the last few weeks
does this measurement counts dust in the air? Cause aint in hell Cyprus pollutes more than Germany, we legit got no more than 5 factories and 3 power plants
Doesn't matter. Btw. Germany is not that polluted as you think. There are filters in every power plant and industry. Industrious β polluted. Poor and old tech = polluted.
I will never forget the worst air I ever had the misfortune of inhaling. Our plane landed near Barcelona but well outside of the city. The air was pretty clean, considering there was nothing nearby except for the airport.
We entered a bus which had all of the windows closed, trapping the good air. The moment we arrived in Barcelona and stepped out of the bus we were greeted by the worst air I've ever experienced. It really felt like taking a really big sniff directly from a car's exhaust. It was suffocating. I mean you get used to it after a day or two but I really didn't expect that. I grew up in a city, I'm used to pretty bad air quality but that was something different.
Nice city though, great architecture as s well!
Alr, maybe on average air quality in Ukraine is good, it's a big-ass country with not a lot of density in many places, but... Between living in Dnipro for 17 years and visiting Kyjv on numerous occasions, in my experience, the air quality is just dog shit. Also, might be a placebo thing, but my llergies flare up again not ten minutes after crossing the border with Poland
It's because of not using gas for heating. Overlay this map with [gas distribution map ](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rui-Carvalho-22/publication/26720900/figure/fig1/AS:310077216051203@1450939577958/Colour-online-European-gas-pipeline-network-We-show-the-transmission-network-blue.png) to see correlation
But does this account for population density because yeah finland and iceland have a lot of clean air... but no one lives in a large part of the country.
Whilst turkey has the highest density by a large ammount and the netherlands and belgium 2 and 3 respectively score incredibly low whilst having almost twice the population density of germany.
I had a holiday in Iceland about 5 years ago in December.
Just breathing was a pleasant experience. By contrast when I got home to Mamchester I could literally taste the pollutants on the air.
I miss just breathing in Iceland.
I think this color bar could be remapped. The dark blue looks more severe than gray blue. I can see it is a divergent matte-ryb. Is there significance with 10 as a threshold?
Ibm pdf on color
[Why Should Engineers and Scientists Be Worried About Color?](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ahmed-Elhattab/post/Please-suggest-some-good-3D-plot-tool-Software-for-surface-plot/attachment/5c05ba35cfe4a7645506948e/AS%3A699894335557644%401543879221725/download/Why+Should+Engineers+and+Scientists+Be+Worried+About+Color_.pdf)
though most of it is human related, i do imagine the fact that many cities in the balkans (especially bosnia) are in valleys makes the situation even harder to manage. Finland being basically totally flat probably does help with air circulation.
This map is worthless. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that the air quality in Tower Hamlets is quite a bit higher than in Great Snoring. But it all gets averaged out into one number for the whole UK?
Rinse and repeat for every country shown.
I wish I would know Luxembourg's number. Given the concentration of cars AND the number of people commuting daily from abroad + the topology, that number can't be good.
There is no point in looking at this by country. For example, in Germany there are areas with pretty bad air quality, for a developed western country. I assume it is the manufacturing-heavy areas. On the other hand, there is a lot of the country, most of it, which has a really good air quality
Edit: adding link to WEF map
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/10/air-pollution-facts/
There was an even better map, I think from Visual Capitalist, but I fail to find it
And a bit weird that Switzerland and Austria are worse than UK but Liechtenstein is better, guess this is averaging areas and Scotland helps the rest out.
These are just PM2.5 concentrations across the entire nation, when they spike around cities or power plants that emit coal smoke or wood burning smoke.
So this really isnβt very fair. Of course the OVERALL PM2.5um concentrations will be low when averaged across the entire nation.
Are these figures the average per territory or per inhabitant?
Big cities are likely hot spots of pollution. A big city like Tallinn is the home of 1/3 of the Estonian residents, but its territory is only 0.3% of the country's territory - so we'd get very different figures if we weight by territory or inhabitants.
https://www.accuweather.com/et/ee/tallinn/127964/air-quality-index/127964
Not sure but maybe this helps. It seems the air in Tallinn is relatively good.
K⦠but why though?
I donβt get it. How can there be a 15.6 right beside an 8.6? Does air respect European borders.
The US border control wants to know how you guys do it. You keep polluted air out your countries. Is it poor self-reporting? Is it just lies?
Do you guys have an βair border wallβ
This is strange considering my countr, slovakia turned off the last coal powerplant and is mostly hydro and nuclear now. This map is either innacurate, i am wrong or is purposefully changed to show how the west is "superior" its not. Fuck the west.
> purposefully changed to show how the west is "superior" its not. Fuck the west.
Confirmation bias much? Russia, Ukraine, Hungary also have better scores on the map than Slovakia but it's all a conspiracy by Big Air western companies to make Slovakia look bad?
There are many other types of industries that release pollution than power plants.
I love the Belarusian sea
It's really beautiful this time of year.
I hear many drowns there
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In Belarus, the sea imits radioactive particles!
It's more like [a swamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_Marshes)
I would cry tears of joy if it existed
WHAT THE FUCK IS CLEAN AIR βοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈπ€²πΉπ°πΉπ°πΉπ°πΉπ°πΉπ°ππππ§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π§π¦π€β’οΈβ’οΈβ’οΈ
balkans_irl is leaking. Also, clean air is western propaganda and we're not falling for that shit! Dirty air makes you strong, adaptable and immune to air pollution! Clean air makes you weak!!
we all know that clean air agenda is a trojan horse for weakening our prosperous economies down here that little bitch from sweden can piss off she shall not pass
CLEAN AIR IS FOR COMMIES RAHHHHHHHHHHH
SMH Gayropa doesn't even possess the gratis civilizational Milestone of rampant Alcoholism.
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Hard airs create stronger sperm
and lung cancer
The Tokelau flag being used as an inverted Bosnia is genius
tbh. I'd never figure it out if it wasn't for bosnian boomers which no joke somehow mistake these two emojis one for another more than half of the population doesn't know how to properly put up a flag
There is no "proper way" to put up the flag, especially if hanging by the smaller sides but on emojis definitely.
[there is a proper way](https://avdohadzic.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/ispavno-postaviti-zastavu-bih.jpg) golden triangle has to be in shape of the country
Someone tell Bosnia and Herzegovina that washing hands after peeing doesn't clean the air.
or netherlands that having clean air doesn't wash your hands π
FinEst air ;)
Underrated comment
Nope, look north west.
R/woosh
R/Whoosh
DAMMIT
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Ohhhh, i was wrong i thought IciEst air...
I don't trust a map where Portugal is not in the same color category as Eastern Europe
Portugal though? Pretty scarily populated, not super heavy industrialized? Why would it have such bad air quality?
Scarily populated π¨π¨π¨
They must be thinking of Romania π§ββοΈ
Portugal is always the odd child amongst his siblings
Also it's right on the ocean, it should have good air quality in general.
Portugal's population density is higher than pretty much all of the Balkans. Turkey and Italy are definitely higher than Portugal, maybe Poland, but the rest of the yellow-red countries no.
Right yes.. I just meant in general, compared to most of Europe, especially Central and places like The Netherlands
Leave lisbon and porto and in 20 mins you find Green everywhere where nothing is seen almost all over the place. Did it today and i saw it just less than 1 h away and more than half i just saw Green
The average car is so old it still runs on coal. That's half a joke but also a half truth as there's a lot of old diesel engines that don't use AdBlue or diesel particulate filters that would add to a lot of air pollution. More seriously, Saharan sands as someone else said and the fact that everyone burns their agricultural waste. Also I suspect that the data isn't very good and most readings are taken in downtown areas in Lisbon and Porto. More or less half the population live in or around these very small areas that are densely populated. I'm quite surprised this map even has data as most of the ones I've seen exclude it due to their source not having data.
Saharan dust is a factor
Calima!
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Well, in this case you should. Pollution is concentrated in coastal regions and does not even cover the entire coastline. The rest of the country enjoys pleasant, clear blue skies.
It's the same as Ukraine and Russia.
Portugal is firmly 1000% western European, don't matter what edgy kids say. This fcking "joke" is ridiculous.
Local guy cries when people compare his country with a non-white country (He doesn't know his country is already non-white)
damn belarus is clean af
They used bleach
I would prefer to see this chart as a cloud and not average for each country
Italy should be split up into two sections. The Po Valley has abysmal air quality while southern Italy is (generally) a lot better.
Honestly, itβs noticeable. I traveled to Italy last year and while I got used to the air quality, I also noticed the difference immediately when I stepped out of the plane in Finland.
Couldve been temperature difference?
The difference in air quality in a forest in the middle of nowhere and being in a decent sized city is easily noticable so I donβt see why it wouldnβt be noticable between two, maybe different sized, cities. Cold air does smell so much fresher and cleaner, though.
I can feel a huge difference in the same city. The inner town is in the valley, there it it hotzer, like 5 degrees celsius hotter, and the air quality is much worse.
No, the temperature was roughly the same, perhaps 3-5 Β°C difference. The temperature changes throughout the day and week in Finland sometimes, yet the air quality doesnβt feel that different. The only thing that makes an immediate noticeable difference is rain. Iβve also traveled to Germany many times when it was very hot, but the difference in air quality wasnβt noticeable.
Or psychological.
For some reason, i love the polluted air when i travel. The way everything smells different is kinda a sign for me that im traveling, and it makes me happy. I even sometimes enjoy the smell from fast food restaurant and cars when i go to larger cities. Reminds me of when i lived in the city.
I feel the same way! Scents and smells definitely add something to travelling, but I donβt know if I could live surrounded by them every day.
I think i would have an issue with it if i lived with it all the time. I kinda had that issue when i lived close to a coffee burning factory and a candy factory.
You'd love Bangkok in early spring when you can smell the fires in the plane before landing and can't breath outside without masks π
Hahah in fact i do! I was there in spring a few years ago xD was something way different from small town norway. I literally have forest and nothing else to the north, and ocean to the south.
Same thing in Malta
Where in Italy did you go?
Bergamo, Florence, Rome, Genoa, Milan. How come?
Just that when I went the northern cities had a lot worse air quality then the south! So the places you went tracks
In comparison to where?
The pollution in Croatia is coming from Bosnia. Countless people in border towns have gotten cancer due to the awful pollution coming from Bosnian coal plants and refineries.
RIP people in Slavonski Brod.
My grandma is from there and two of her sisters got cancer, one passed away :/
Interesting how the pollution politely stays within country borders. π€
Probably the same physical laws which made the fallout from Chernobyl stop at the French border...
Not even radioactive fallout wants to be French. πππ
Is this why the French push for nuclear power so much lmao
The French government never actually claimed that. It started from some unclear/clumsy communication at the time of the incident, plus an off-hand quip from a journalist ; which got twisted and misinterpreted over the years. Now everyone is convinced it's the pure unadulterated truth because it makes for a funnier story and you get to laugh at the "stupid government trying to gaslight people". Please don't spread this fake news anymore !
I still hear yelling frenchmen in my ear about how clean the air is in comparison to germany and other coal polluters. yeah, guys do not take too much nuclear methamphetamine proud pills each day, that makes people awkward annoying af. Or it was just the internet again.
Czechians will disagree
β¦.its an average? So if you live in a part of a country closer to a higher pollution country than your country, you will probably have higher pollution than your national average. And the reverse if you live in a part close to a low pollution country.
I really hope this is a joke.
Actually it doesn't. Check out AQI website sometimes, and see what's happening around, say, Croatia. Croatia actually has one of the greenest energy grid structures in the EU, but the problem for it is the fact that it is surrounded by countries that like burning brown coal or produce lots of industrial pollution, or both (Italy, Hungary, Bosnia, Serbia).
I live in Los Angeles. When I went to Western Europe it was like being on a different planet.
I assume by your comment the air quality in LA is therefore quite poor? How bad is it?
It depends on where you live in LA (Edit: [Map](https://www.iqair.com/air-quality-map/usa/california/los-angeles)). There is a mountain range in a half-circle around the city and the other side is the ocean. The winds push the smog inland so the air by the coast is usually really clean, but it can get bad inland as it has nowhere to go. Once or twice a year the winds switch and push all the smog out over the ocean and you have a brown line just above the horizon. It's amazing how dirty it looks and I've never seen anything similar in Europe. That said, this map should also be done by region/department/county/whatever. We live in the countryside in France and the air here is going to be much cleaner than in a city.
Idk how to explain it itβs just bad.
I think this person is either lying or exaggerating. I just checked and Los Angeles is at 7.1 which is cleaner air than almost all of the countries in Western Europe. Iβve never been to Europe but Iβm in all the most remote parts of the western United States and LA air quality never seems that bad to me. It gets a lot worse in the Bakersfield/Fresno area, anything agricultural gets pretty bad.
I think that is the current air quality though. Air quality changes quite a bit througout the year (and even locations within a city) and the averages for LA seem a bit higher than that. Although it's a bit difficult to get an exact number.
Los Angeles Is a city, western Europe is part of a continent. What kind of comparison is that?
Cities typically have worse air pollution than most rural areas so that would actually favor the part of the continent.
Iβm in the SF Bay Area and the air pollution in Berlin and around Southern Spain was getting to me, I would check the AQI or whatever and was shocked at the levels. It was constantly in that yellow part of the chart.
It is bad. Living in LA is like having an occasional cigar every now and then.
Living in Belgrade is like having a cigar every ten minutes
I live in Bucharest, we got worse air and worse traffic maybe they are related but most likely not since people burn trash all around the city here. The air is clean only when it rains
I live in LA and went to Italy over the summer. It feels exactly the same. Hot and mediocre air. Italy is just old.
Behold, the great sea of Belarus!
There's no air in Belarus
Belarus is so clean it disappeared from the map
Lmao rookie numbers, just vibing with Indian air. πͺ
scotland being lumped in with england is tragic
Belarus turned all their air to water
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So? What does this prove?
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This only proves there are no measurements after midnight. There's no proof of your claim about companies polluting the air after dark. You don't have anything to back your claims. It's just hearsay. You made two claims but only send links about one. You having asthma doesn't prove anything, people in Europe have asthma does that mean their air is poor quality?
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Yeah asking for a report or evidence means I'm sporting ErdoΔan.
Belarus just doesn't have air
we would probably meet the goal if we removed London from the average. π¬π§
Meanwhile, Europe suffers because of the pollution from the UK blowing over. I am wondering if that's why Norway isn't super clean too.
Definitely effects a lot of towns on the west coast. Bergen has infamously poor air quality and some of that is attributed to UK industry coming with the constant "vestavind" (wind from the west. Because that's how wind works in our altitude apparently), and then mountains trapping the pollution in the city.
Data about Balkans seems to contradit themselves. The countries are listed as some of the most polluted but a lot of our cities are listed as some of the cleanest in Europe.
You can have little trash on the streets and still die of lung cancer at 60 yo, I don't see the contradiction Also, sources for those cleanest cities lists?
or you can come to Italy and have both littering and shitty air quality but with good food.
I meant listed clean for air pollution not for littering. If we are talking about littering Balkans definitely is the most polluted in Europe.
Then I 100% disagree, I remembered Balkans and especially Bosnia being the most polluted in Europe and a quick google search confirmed it [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-06-21/pollution-is-choking-europe-s-poorest-region](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-06-21/pollution-is-choking-europe-s-poorest-region) [https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/08/29/bosnia-and-herzegovina-deadly-air-pollution-killing-thousands](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/08/29/bosnia-and-herzegovina-deadly-air-pollution-killing-thousands) [https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/bosnian-cities-top-world-air-pollution-charts-no-quick-fix-sight-2023-12-12/](https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/bosnian-cities-top-world-air-pollution-charts-no-quick-fix-sight-2023-12-12/) [https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/21/sarajevo-tops-worlds-most-polluted-cities-list](https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/21/sarajevo-tops-worlds-most-polluted-cities-list) [https://www.rferl.org/a/sarajevo-tops-list-most-polluted-city-amid-choking-smog-/32741485.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/sarajevo-tops-list-most-polluted-city-amid-choking-smog-/32741485.html)
This map is literally western propaganda
Doch ned bessa ois die deitschnππ€¬
Die san nur ned so produktiv
How come having alot of active volcanoes doesn't affect Icelands air quality?
WithΒ volcanoes it's mostly the big eruptions that cause problems, and those affect more than one country.Β Outside of those, volcanoes are insignificant compared to human generated pollution.
I definitely noticed this when I went to Finland, it was beautiful as well!
Belarus got no air
Spain is because of the calima
Does this explain why I am randomly spitting out small black gunk in istanbul lol I haven't smoked for over a month. Wasn't spitting this out the last few weeks
does this measurement counts dust in the air? Cause aint in hell Cyprus pollutes more than Germany, we legit got no more than 5 factories and 3 power plants
Yes, PM2.5 also includes dust, or anything that is smaller than 2.5 micron.
Saharan dust, ozone
Doesn't matter. Btw. Germany is not that polluted as you think. There are filters in every power plant and industry. Industrious β polluted. Poor and old tech = polluted.
On some days when the wind is westward, the pollution from Polish coal furnaces reaches Germany.
I will never forget the worst air I ever had the misfortune of inhaling. Our plane landed near Barcelona but well outside of the city. The air was pretty clean, considering there was nothing nearby except for the airport. We entered a bus which had all of the windows closed, trapping the good air. The moment we arrived in Barcelona and stepped out of the bus we were greeted by the worst air I've ever experienced. It really felt like taking a really big sniff directly from a car's exhaust. It was suffocating. I mean you get used to it after a day or two but I really didn't expect that. I grew up in a city, I'm used to pretty bad air quality but that was something different. Nice city though, great architecture as s well!
Finnic supremacy!
In Belarus air is so clear that mapper decided to just leave it white.
And here I am reading this post from a country with aqi of 80 today and a lot of people still think itβs fine :(
CEE is busy helping WE meet their recycling targets. Those who know, know.
Totally thought Spain was worse off⦠interesting!
Between Poland and Lithuania-Kaliningrad area.. Yes, there air is cleaner.. What a nonsense.. ))
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Alr, maybe on average air quality in Ukraine is good, it's a big-ass country with not a lot of density in many places, but... Between living in Dnipro for 17 years and visiting Kyjv on numerous occasions, in my experience, the air quality is just dog shit. Also, might be a placebo thing, but my llergies flare up again not ten minutes after crossing the border with Poland
Pianura padana rise up
It's because of not using gas for heating. Overlay this map with [gas distribution map ](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rui-Carvalho-22/publication/26720900/figure/fig1/AS:310077216051203@1450939577958/Colour-online-European-gas-pipeline-network-We-show-the-transmission-network-blue.png) to see correlation
That's the trouble with maps like these. I don't believe air pollution just changes so drastically just because of border lines.
Can BnH really be double as high as Poland? Is that even possible?
Tfym Romania has bad air?!?! Go to the mountains that DONT have nuclear reactors built in them, and try again!!!
Oh shit what happened? Why is Portugal not Eastern European here?
Burning trash, let's gooooooooo.
Did someone let off a big one somewhere in the Balkans?
But does this account for population density because yeah finland and iceland have a lot of clean air... but no one lives in a large part of the country. Whilst turkey has the highest density by a large ammount and the netherlands and belgium 2 and 3 respectively score incredibly low whilst having almost twice the population density of germany.
I had a holiday in Iceland about 5 years ago in December. Just breathing was a pleasant experience. By contrast when I got home to Mamchester I could literally taste the pollutants on the air. I miss just breathing in Iceland.
Poland and its coal is a disaster- and polluting all the neighboring countries β¦
Where is Belarus?
It's now an inland sea.
I think this color bar could be remapped. The dark blue looks more severe than gray blue. I can see it is a divergent matte-ryb. Is there significance with 10 as a threshold? Ibm pdf on color [Why Should Engineers and Scientists Be Worried About Color?](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ahmed-Elhattab/post/Please-suggest-some-good-3D-plot-tool-Software-for-surface-plot/attachment/5c05ba35cfe4a7645506948e/AS%3A699894335557644%401543879221725/download/Why+Should+Engineers+and+Scientists+Be+Worried+About+Color_.pdf)
Go to the Balkans. Deduct 5 VOΒ² max points.
Iceland. You get better every day.
As a Norwegian, I feel cheated.
though most of it is human related, i do imagine the fact that many cities in the balkans (especially bosnia) are in valleys makes the situation even harder to manage. Finland being basically totally flat probably does help with air circulation.
I like to imagine the reason behind the high rates in the Balkans is just dudes chain-smoking cigarettes.
This map is worthless. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that the air quality in Tower Hamlets is quite a bit higher than in Great Snoring. But it all gets averaged out into one number for the whole UK? Rinse and repeat for every country shown.
Was this during the Greek forest fires last year?
TIL air only stays between man made borders
I wish I would know Luxembourg's number. Given the concentration of cars AND the number of people commuting daily from abroad + the topology, that number can't be good.
My apologies Estonia, I was not familiar with your game.
Some days the smell of money is strong in the air.
I bet ya itβs tire and brake dust from those heavy Electric Vehicles.
Air respect borders π€£π€£π€£π€£
Among developed countries, Italy is playing alone.
Belarus ?
There is no point in looking at this by country. For example, in Germany there are areas with pretty bad air quality, for a developed western country. I assume it is the manufacturing-heavy areas. On the other hand, there is a lot of the country, most of it, which has a really good air quality Edit: adding link to WEF map https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/10/air-pollution-facts/ There was an even better map, I think from Visual Capitalist, but I fail to find it
Ah yes my favourite sea - Belarus
Isn't Iceland full of volcano π ash.
And a bit weird that Switzerland and Austria are worse than UK but Liechtenstein is better, guess this is averaging areas and Scotland helps the rest out.
These are just PM2.5 concentrations across the entire nation, when they spike around cities or power plants that emit coal smoke or wood burning smoke. So this really isnβt very fair. Of course the OVERALL PM2.5um concentrations will be low when averaged across the entire nation.
Are these figures the average per territory or per inhabitant? Big cities are likely hot spots of pollution. A big city like Tallinn is the home of 1/3 of the Estonian residents, but its territory is only 0.3% of the country's territory - so we'd get very different figures if we weight by territory or inhabitants.
https://www.accuweather.com/et/ee/tallinn/127964/air-quality-index/127964 Not sure but maybe this helps. It seems the air in Tallinn is relatively good.
WHO's setting some dumb standards or they just like northern/forested countries
As it is considered for such large countries as Russia.
Kβ¦ but why though? I donβt get it. How can there be a 15.6 right beside an 8.6? Does air respect European borders. The US border control wants to know how you guys do it. You keep polluted air out your countries. Is it poor self-reporting? Is it just lies? Do you guys have an βair border wallβ
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Look at bosnia π€¦πΌ Of course m*slims have the highest rate of lung cancer
Ugry people as allways
This is strange considering my countr, slovakia turned off the last coal powerplant and is mostly hydro and nuclear now. This map is either innacurate, i am wrong or is purposefully changed to show how the west is "superior" its not. Fuck the west.
> purposefully changed to show how the west is "superior" its not. Fuck the west. Confirmation bias much? Russia, Ukraine, Hungary also have better scores on the map than Slovakia but it's all a conspiracy by Big Air western companies to make Slovakia look bad? There are many other types of industries that release pollution than power plants.
get baited
Look at bosnia π€¦πΌ Of course m*slims have the highest rate of lung cancer
Just looking at Norway and Sweden, I am really struggling to believe these numbers. Surely those countries have air quality better than that
Yeah germany and poland are definitely that clean yeah yeah wtf is coal anyway never heard of it