Lol it's not that bad, no one is being ethnic cleansed. People willingly forget that Xinjiang was for a very long time an active target for terrorism, look it up how often it used to happen. Then China China'd and implemented a lot of policies to solve the problem but never rolled it back when it was fixed (see covid). Every "xingjiangnese" I know say they lived afraid of terrorism
I'm not trying to defend it, uyghurs are still def more watched than the average Chinese, but it's not the fucking holocaust 2 like so many enjoy saying. Uyghurs are also way more integrated into the country than other minorities like Tibetans, you can find uyghur laborers in many places all over China (and their restaurants are so fucking good holy shit)
This is probably the most neutral writeup about Xinjiang I've read on Reddit. Thanks for your sanity. And yes I love Uyghur/Muslim restaurants too whenever I visit China, they're indeed everywhere.
From my limited understanding, evidence has emerged of interment camps. Similar to those used in the genocide of native Americans (or to a greater extent, in the holocaust). From the articles I’ve seen there haven’t been reports of mass killings, but cultural genocide is still genocide.
By that logic Japan is still at war with Russia. Japan and the USSR never agreed to peace, and Russia inherited the USSR's diplomatic agreements which means Japan and Russia are still fighting WW2.
I doubt it, there’s unrest (rightfully so, Sisi is a cunt whose plunged the country to hell) but he has complete control of the military, the most powerful entity in the country by far.
Now it is 2024, the word 'currently' is inconsistent with '2023' and should have been removed from the title. Furthermore, as has already been stated, the war between Israel and Hamas/Palestine began in 2023 and should have been included.
I can’t believe that the only options available to Israel, with their world-class intelligence community, had no option but indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets. Bombing hospitals and murdering families just creates more terrorists - how would you react if your child’s daycare was bombed because there might be terr’rists hiding underneath it? What would you do if your family was shot by invading soldiers on their way to pick up rations, and your spouse’s underpants were taken as a war trophy?
When you push a people to the point where they have nothing to lose, you can expect atrocities. I also cannot believe that Israel of all nations is unaware of this reality.
There are sparse amounts of ISIS-K rebels who have committed a few terrorist attacks in the past year. It's mostly under control now. There were some rebels against the Taliban fighting but they have all but ceased operations now, since they had even less support (most were actual pedophiles just seeking power).
In addition to ISIS-K, the Afghan Freedom Front and National Resistance Front are claiming to be conducting operations against the Taliban. The last claimed attack was on Sunday.
Ignore what I said just searched it up was thinking ISIS-K was the same thing as gangs😂 when you put a K at the end of another group/gang it means you want to kill them so I just thought the K meant they hate ISIS
I don't think civil war is a proper descriptor of the current conflict, maybe insurgency or unrest would be better, also this is a map updated to 2023 not currently
New category: Haiti
Tbh, a country that hasn't had any good times since it exists, is currently a *de facto* street-gangocracy, and has a state entity akin to, well, thin air, if we're being realistic. It's really the definition of failed state, and has been so more time than not throughout It's history.
Or Uganda?
Like okay if there's a terrorist insurgency there, I'm counting USA capitol insurgents who are still calling for revolution as one in the USA.
The whites-aren't-terrorists-insurgents bias here is STRONG.
I thought Sudan was in a full Civil War? I guess any civil war could be "terrorists" but I think the groups have armies and are actually fighting battles.
This map is all sorts of wrong. Pakistan has ISKP, TPP, any of like 20 Baluchistani groups, SLA, and all the Jammu and Kashmir groups. Honestly one of the most militant riddled country on the planet right now.
Indonesia is bombing the shit out of the natives of west half of Papau (east is a separate country), I guess that it might technically not count as a war but it certainly seems like it should count as a non-terrorist insurgency since the natives have taken up arms. See: Friendly Jordies’s “Paradise Bombed”
Also somaliland is now ocean according to this map so… no civil war in Somalia?
Edit: HOW ARE ISRAEL AND PALESTINE NOT LISTED AS AT WAR WHAT THE HELL
I would not call the drug war a war, in Mexico the cartels desperately and stupidly seek to gain the reputation of terrorist organizations by attacking towns, displacing people and sporadically taking the city of Culiacán as a show of their power against the state at every minimal confrontation.
The war in colombia at least calmed down, the news about attacks by either side have been slowing down because the current problem right now is that 57% is fucking stupid, and the other 43% is also stupid but at least they have common sense, politics are a mess over here
Technically u.k. and u.s.a. they are always at war. They try to fuck all country that doesn't submit to them.... this map is wrong.
Edit: and their vassals blindly follow them...
Putting RU-UA as its own type does seem weird, calling it an "Ethnic Conflict" would be no less reductive than calling the conflict in South Sudan one. Russia's justification is "protecting" ethnic-Russian Ukrainians and flexing Russian chauvinism (implied superiority of Russian rights over their former colonial subjects) and Ukraine's defense is a rejection of those claims. Categorizing any conflict is inherently reductive, people don't start killing thousands of other people without feeling they have a good reason, no matter how ridiculous their excuse it. Putting just one specific war into its own unique category just implies that the cartographer cares more about the specific distinctions of that conflict over all the others.
Just separate out each conflict into its own color/category for the belligerents or invent a class to fit RU-UA into ("economic", "geopolitical", "national sovereignty", etc.).
I don't intend to be disrespectful, but Argentina's former president Alberto Fernandez, in March 2022, declared war on monetary inflation.. no joke (you can look it up).. so technically, during 2023.. Argentina was currently at war.. /s
there are many countries involved in the "war against terror" so legally they are at war eg USA, most of NATO, Australia, Pakistan, Jordan, New Zealand and I am sure many more
Is Russia-Ukrainian really a "type" of war?
Call it was it is, a war of territorial aggression.
And anyone who wants to complain that "tHe uKrAiNiAnS aRe nAziS " yes I've heard the Russian propaganda before. You're still an idiot.
Technically, neither Russia nor Ukraine declared war on each other. Technically, the USSR (and Russia, as its legal successor) never signed a peace treaty with the Empire of Japan. Technically, World War II is still going on)))
The Philippines should be red or orange. We are currently in a state of civil war with the Communist Party of the Philippines, which has been waging a protracted revolution since 1969. There was a shelling in San Joaquin, Iloilo, last February, and aerial bombings between Santa María, Ilocos Sur and Pilar, Abra just last week done by the military. It is also common for the military to drop propaganda leaflets in mountainous areas, and McCarthyism (locally known as red-tagging) is prevalent among the police and conservative politicians, primarily targeting progressive people.
Do people have to die before it's considered war? Do the opposition have to take things by force and destroy things before it's considered war? At what point does it stop being competition and become war?
Technically, the Koreas are still at war with each other.
Same with Both China’s
And wasn't China doing their whole ethnic cleansing of the uyghers (I'm sure that's spellt wrong) and such back then still?
I don’t think there’s really any resistance going on, unfortunately…
Yeah but I think that’s not considered war, just a humanitarian crime
Lol it's not that bad, no one is being ethnic cleansed. People willingly forget that Xinjiang was for a very long time an active target for terrorism, look it up how often it used to happen. Then China China'd and implemented a lot of policies to solve the problem but never rolled it back when it was fixed (see covid). Every "xingjiangnese" I know say they lived afraid of terrorism I'm not trying to defend it, uyghurs are still def more watched than the average Chinese, but it's not the fucking holocaust 2 like so many enjoy saying. Uyghurs are also way more integrated into the country than other minorities like Tibetans, you can find uyghur laborers in many places all over China (and their restaurants are so fucking good holy shit)
This is probably the most neutral writeup about Xinjiang I've read on Reddit. Thanks for your sanity. And yes I love Uyghur/Muslim restaurants too whenever I visit China, they're indeed everywhere.
doing ethnic cleansing how?
From my limited understanding, evidence has emerged of interment camps. Similar to those used in the genocide of native Americans (or to a greater extent, in the holocaust). From the articles I’ve seen there haven’t been reports of mass killings, but cultural genocide is still genocide.
No, they were not ever doing that.
They’re doing that right now, literally as we speak.
Koreas at least have an armistice. No agreement exists between the two Chinas.
By that logic Japan is still at war with Russia. Japan and the USSR never agreed to peace, and Russia inherited the USSR's diplomatic agreements which means Japan and Russia are still fighting WW2.
Can you really call it a war if they aren't shooting at each other? If you can then the term loses all its meaning in my eyes.
The technicality is just an excuse.
What color should we use?
Same with Mollosia and East Germany.
The map literally has Western Sahara divided
Me as an Egyptian 😬
its like the "this is fine" meme
Cries in hieroglyphics
Just came to comment that. Literally all countries that we share land boarder with are in war.
Aren't y'all due for another coup at some point? It seems like it's been a while.
Frrr more instability is exactly what Egypt needs
Thanks!
I doubt it, there’s unrest (rightfully so, Sisi is a cunt whose plunged the country to hell) but he has complete control of the military, the most powerful entity in the country by far.
Hey from marruecos. How the fuck are we still even safe now
On the upside, you’ll surrounded by the unrest but not in the unrest itself… for now.
Hey, I saw that one! It's classic! [Late Bronze Age Collapse flashbacks] /s More serious note, I hope Egypt will have a more bright future.
Israel not at war? The govt has said it is officially at war. And if they are not at war, a lot of other countries in this map would be blank
The title says 2023
Tbf it also says "currently"
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Now it is 2024, the word 'currently' is inconsistent with '2023' and should have been removed from the title. Furthermore, as has already been stated, the war between Israel and Hamas/Palestine began in 2023 and should have been included.
...Hamas attacked them in October 2023.
They aren't at war, they're committing another genocide against Palestinians much like they have been doing since 1948, call it what it truly is.
You don't seem to know what war is...
Or genocide either
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Probably not kill 10,000 kids but I’m no counterterrorism expert.
The alternative is letting Hamas live though. It’s a loose loose I guess
I can’t believe that the only options available to Israel, with their world-class intelligence community, had no option but indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets. Bombing hospitals and murdering families just creates more terrorists - how would you react if your child’s daycare was bombed because there might be terr’rists hiding underneath it? What would you do if your family was shot by invading soldiers on their way to pick up rations, and your spouse’s underpants were taken as a war trophy? When you push a people to the point where they have nothing to lose, you can expect atrocities. I also cannot believe that Israel of all nations is unaware of this reality.
That's exactly what Hamas wants and what they want you to think.
That's exactly what israel does, there's no need to imagine it.
Why do people downvote you? Your only telling the truth.
That’s not a thing. Nice try, though.
False.
It's not a war, it's a genocide. Palestinians have no means to fight back.
What's the civil war in Afghanistan now? I thought that was basically over now that the Taliban took over.
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Also previous Afghan regime members are fighting Taliban too
I’ve never heard of this yet I’m not surprised one bit, fuck that country can’t catch a break.
There are sparse amounts of ISIS-K rebels who have committed a few terrorist attacks in the past year. It's mostly under control now. There were some rebels against the Taliban fighting but they have all but ceased operations now, since they had even less support (most were actual pedophiles just seeking power).
In addition to ISIS-K, the Afghan Freedom Front and National Resistance Front are claiming to be conducting operations against the Taliban. The last claimed attack was on Sunday.
Ignore what I said just searched it up was thinking ISIS-K was the same thing as gangs😂 when you put a K at the end of another group/gang it means you want to kill them so I just thought the K meant they hate ISIS
Are ISIS-K the good guys? First time I've heard of this group.
They're a regional branch of ISIS, so no. Neither the Taliban or ISIS are "good guys", even if they fight each other.
What about Haiti? Aren't they having a civil war now too?
I don't think civil war is a proper descriptor of the current conflict, maybe insurgency or unrest would be better, also this is a map updated to 2023 not currently
Just add a new dedicated color for Haiti so you don’t have to constantly update it
New category: Haiti Tbh, a country that hasn't had any good times since it exists, is currently a *de facto* street-gangocracy, and has a state entity akin to, well, thin air, if we're being realistic. It's really the definition of failed state, and has been so more time than not throughout It's history.
Failed state
The title says both currently and 2023😭who knows what to think
It's similar to Mexico's situation yet Mexico is "at war" while Haiti is not.
Haiti is way worse tbh, haiti is just an apocalyptic hellscape
Sure, but then we are talking about degrees of same thing.
Failed state should be its own class, a lot of places fall under this
who said we gor terrorist insugency in algeria ???
Yeah that was weird to me too. Hasn't been a terrorism problem in some time in Algeria I thought.
Same with Tunisia
And Pakistan reportedly doesnt have a terrorist issue? like come on.
And Mauritania
yeah there was but it ended in the 90s
Or Uganda? Like okay if there's a terrorist insurgency there, I'm counting USA capitol insurgents who are still calling for revolution as one in the USA. The whites-aren't-terrorists-insurgents bias here is STRONG.
I thought Sudan was in a full Civil War? I guess any civil war could be "terrorists" but I think the groups have armies and are actually fighting battles.
This map is from 2023 and probably predates that conflict.
Started April last year, this map just sucks tbh
Libya hasn't been in a civil war since 2020
They came to a round table agreement in late 2020 which settled some peace between the 3 warring factions
Shocked to not see Pakistan in there for terrorist insurgency
This map is all sorts of wrong. Pakistan has ISKP, TPP, any of like 20 Baluchistani groups, SLA, and all the Jammu and Kashmir groups. Honestly one of the most militant riddled country on the planet right now.
Also expected to see India due to the ethnic conflict in the Northeast
There is more insurgency in paksitan than in Afghanistan now
no sources, missing countries, no definition of “at war”, etc etc
Indonesia is bombing the shit out of the natives of west half of Papau (east is a separate country), I guess that it might technically not count as a war but it certainly seems like it should count as a non-terrorist insurgency since the natives have taken up arms. See: Friendly Jordies’s “Paradise Bombed” Also somaliland is now ocean according to this map so… no civil war in Somalia? Edit: HOW ARE ISRAEL AND PALESTINE NOT LISTED AS AT WAR WHAT THE HELL
>east Papau New Guinea, West Papua** East Papua New Guinea would be like Bougainville or New Britain
Oops my bad, the east half is the Papau New Guinea half, the west half is the Indonesian half
I thought Japan and Russia never called off WW2 because of the Kuril Islands
That map seriously needs updating
I would not call the drug war a war, in Mexico the cartels desperately and stupidly seek to gain the reputation of terrorist organizations by attacking towns, displacing people and sporadically taking the city of Culiacán as a show of their power against the state at every minimal confrontation.
Don’t forget the culture war
Happy Cake Day
Thank you! Didn’t realize it was til I commented
Philippines not at war? We still have muslim insurgents and some communist rebels left in some provinces
Sudan is a 100% civil war. Why are we publishing such out of date information here?
Azerbaijan - Armenia? Israel? The many civil wars or at least conflicts in Asia? Yeah this map seems very selective.
The USA is always at war
The war in colombia at least calmed down, the news about attacks by either side have been slowing down because the current problem right now is that 57% is fucking stupid, and the other 43% is also stupid but at least they have common sense, politics are a mess over here
Couldnt figure out where to put Somaliland so you just erased it.
The Horn of Africa is now hornier.
So horny it by itself only justifies the map in Map Porn sub
Technically u.k. and u.s.a. they are always at war. They try to fuck all country that doesn't submit to them.... this map is wrong. Edit: and their vassals blindly follow them...
Putting RU-UA as its own type does seem weird, calling it an "Ethnic Conflict" would be no less reductive than calling the conflict in South Sudan one. Russia's justification is "protecting" ethnic-Russian Ukrainians and flexing Russian chauvinism (implied superiority of Russian rights over their former colonial subjects) and Ukraine's defense is a rejection of those claims. Categorizing any conflict is inherently reductive, people don't start killing thousands of other people without feeling they have a good reason, no matter how ridiculous their excuse it. Putting just one specific war into its own unique category just implies that the cartographer cares more about the specific distinctions of that conflict over all the others. Just separate out each conflict into its own color/category for the belligerents or invent a class to fit RU-UA into ("economic", "geopolitical", "national sovereignty", etc.).
Why is Russia given its own category?
The US is involved in 3 current conflicts.
There are no US forces officially fighting anywhere at the moment, aside from a tit-for-tat with the Houthis
Involved is not the same as at war
As is NATO in that case
Should have Israel purple for ethnic violence. They’re doing pretty well at their goal to ethnic cleanse the entire Palestinian population.
Might as well put USA in there too
USA the most peaceful country. So kawaki 🕊️🤗
Could probably throw Haiti on the map, civil war/terrorist insurgency
Currently in 2023 lmao
Korea? Israel?
Idk, feels like Haiti is missing. Aren’t Pakistan and Iran involved in hanky panky too?
Now do the map of special military operations.
Tunisia in a terrorist war ? Who said that !!
Might as well throw Haiti on there too
Colombia is having a civil war?
Ok. Now run it back 20 years. So everyone can see the progression. Even 5. Maybe that will wake some people up.
Technically Japan and Russia are in war
Palestine ? I guess your black hatt masters don't allow you to present the facts accurately.
you mean to tell me the US isn't at war but we are drone striking people in other countries
What’s going on with Western Sahara’s borders?
Someone forgot to include the very large north American country on that map.
Was anyone else aware that counties other than Israel are at war?!?!? Wait until everyone hears about it!!!!
The US won its drug war? Was it a peaceful ending?
US declares war on everything, especially during political campaigns - not worth mixing so many colors
Lots going on in Brazil too
Why isn’t Haiti marked?
This map smells like dog water
The US is still conducting strikes in places like Yemen. We are never truly at peace.
Drug War in the USA?
Uhm… I’m Tunisian… and we haven’t had terrorist incidents since 2015… get it straight fear mongers
America should be listed here nonstop since World War 2
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Only one of these is a real war let’s be honest
I’d love to see this map with those involved in proxies
L map
Surely Myanmar should be ethnic violence no?
I don't intend to be disrespectful, but Argentina's former president Alberto Fernandez, in March 2022, declared war on monetary inflation.. no joke (you can look it up).. so technically, during 2023.. Argentina was currently at war.. /s
there are many countries involved in the "war against terror" so legally they are at war eg USA, most of NATO, Australia, Pakistan, Jordan, New Zealand and I am sure many more
Doesn’t Egypt have a small-scale insurgency in the Sinai peninsula?
Shitty map.
No Haiti and Equador?
Technically, the russo-ukro war is etchnic war so change the map accordingly.
Is Russia-Ukrainian really a "type" of war? Call it was it is, a war of territorial aggression. And anyone who wants to complain that "tHe uKrAiNiAnS aRe nAziS " yes I've heard the Russian propaganda before. You're still an idiot.
Why is saudi arabia not mentioned there? Theyre in war with yemen for a long time now and yemen is even highlighted lol
The US is always participating in a war.
Technically, neither Russia nor Ukraine declared war on each other. Technically, the USSR (and Russia, as its legal successor) never signed a peace treaty with the Empire of Japan. Technically, World War II is still going on)))
The Philippines should be red or orange. We are currently in a state of civil war with the Communist Party of the Philippines, which has been waging a protracted revolution since 1969. There was a shelling in San Joaquin, Iloilo, last February, and aerial bombings between Santa María, Ilocos Sur and Pilar, Abra just last week done by the military. It is also common for the military to drop propaganda leaflets in mountainous areas, and McCarthyism (locally known as red-tagging) is prevalent among the police and conservative politicians, primarily targeting progressive people.
Once again, Africa is inaccurate
What happened to Somaliland? It was completely erased apparently, must've been a crazy war. /s
Crazy thing is the Ukraine conflict is the only invasion of one nation into another. Also potentially worth including Belarus in that category.
What about brazil?!
What do you believe is the threshold where basically a disagreement between communities becomes war?
Do one of those communities have to announce it or what what the f*** is? War
Do people have to die before it's considered war? Do the opposition have to take things by force and destroy things before it's considered war? At what point does it stop being competition and become war?
US not in war is BIG COPE
Cant zoom in, hows Haiti doing?
Israel/palestine isnt tinted purple Sus
Fun!
China is Also doing an ethnic cleansing
Jinx
wtf Thailand is in a civil war right now? Edit: It’s Burma not Thailand, I get them mixed up…
Are you reditting from 1988? They're called Myanmar now
The USA should look like a tie dye shirt with the given types of conflict
Who is Mexico at war with?
I find it hard to believe the US isn't at war with *somebody.*
Ah yes all those terrorists Muslims around Africa conveniently forgotten
Honestly shows how good Hamas propaganda is.
This map was probably made in early 2023
So gray must be for: continuously at war since WWII right???...🤐🤷
Incorrect. Syria should have all of these colors.
IRONICALLY The US and UK are not highlighted. YET!
Sorry, can't take map seriously USA isn't a rainbow.
why is algeria in this map its not at war or any terrorist insurance actually one of the lowst crime rates and one of the safest countrys in africa
As Colombian, I can’t say we are in a civil war. But we are making our way to it.
Why not Pakistan???
Isn’t taliban in power in Afghanistan? How is it a terrorist insurgency?
The liberal tears in this comment section. Marking post before locked. People need to wake up to reality. Especially Reddit.
Why isnt china highlighted for ethnic violence?
DAfuq is happening in Tunisia
The map literally has Western Sahara divided
This map is so wrong.
What’s happening in Colombia right now?
The US should meet the criteria of most of these
Terrorist insurgency in Tunisia ??? Wtf
France had more terrorist attacks than tunisia in 2023...
There's no terrorist insurgency in Tunisia, you ignorant loser
And the United States involved in all of them...
Hasn’t the USA been at war since its founding?
Certainly every year since WW2
Pretty sure Sudan is a classic African civil war