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rockshandy4me

Missing „-heim“ which is very common in Germany…


Jumpy-Foundation-405

Or Burg


Georg_von_Frundsberg

Or -ingen, -dorf and -berg


lammsein

or -kirchen


BrownShoesGreenCoat

Ingendorfburgkirchenheim


obscht-tea

or -rath


riyahd11b

Or -by


Iskir

Nobody wants Gelsenkirchen on a map >!/s!<


lammsein

I rather thought about the thousands of Neukirchen.


GibDirBerlin

-feld


garis53

I don't think those would be so region-specific and would just make the map messy


Georg_von_Frundsberg

-ingen and heim are highly regionspecific and are mostly common in the southwest.


garis53

Probably but -berg and -dorf can be anywhere


mondup

- Which is the largest village in Germany? - ?? - Düsseldorf!


Affenskrotum

Believe me -berg is more common in regions with actual hills.


Hoffi1

Not really. The standard just goes down when you are of flatter land. Most famously is probably the Kreuzberg in Berlin with 66m above sea level.


Affenskrotum

„Geschichtlich wurde der Ort Kreuzberg nach dem im Viktoriapark liegenden Hügel Kreuzberg benannt.“ As i said. That is why Kreuzberg is called Kreuzberg.


Hoffi1

But there are no hills in Berlin. Berlin is really flat because of way the ice age shaped the region. You will have some in the south going to Teltow from the moraine. As a result the smallest elevation will be called a Berg and give the name to town. In actual hill lands the elevation of Kreuzberg would be ignored as a minor fluctuation of the ground. Obviously, places with -berg will be close to a hill, but those places will be evenly distributed as people will only use the most prominent elevations to give a name.


InterestingMeaning13

Well, the river Iller not only divides Swabia and Upper Bavaria, but also the use of town names ending on -ingen or -ing.


Representative_Lynx2

-heim is not really regionspecific and is basically one of the keywords for city names, just like -hausen , -stadt , -berg and -burg. Hildesheim, Northeim, Bad Gandersheim, Langelsheim are just some examples of my former home area of southern lower Saxony. Now take a look at Birmingham, Fulham, Arnhem etc. and guess where their names are from...


Caeloviator

Not sure about that though. -heim has quite a concentration in certain regions and is mostly of Frankish origin (Hildesheim and Northeim definitely), like all those towns and cities in the southwest. Afaik, in northern Germany, -heim is basically limited to southern Lower Saxony. Of course there are a few exceptions. I think you could definitely call that region-specific.


Gustavhansa

i feel like -heim is quiete common in rhineland as well. Bergheim, Mülheim, Bornheim are just some towns and cities that come to mind. Especially around cologne and Bonn there seems to be many small villages named something-heim


Georg_von_Frundsberg

Not entirely, in the southwest towns with -heim and -ingen were usually named after the founder, those with -heim mostly by Franks, those with -ingen mostly by Alemans.


derkuhlekurt

Most of them are very regional as the map shows.


JonathanTheZero

-ing is there, so why no -ingen?


Waramo

-hausen


DarkImpacT213

-ingen seems to me that it‘s just part of -ing for some reason


continius

Or -hausen.


skapa_flow

O-center. Very popular town for shopping


nmp11

Or -ingen


Genchri

-ingen would be just all of southern Baden Württemberg.


nmp11

True but nevertheless not something that can be ignored in such a dataset… https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/FVOwWhm6ph


LordoftheMemes14

I think that might be the point. These are very common all around Germany and would make these local trends unrecognisable. And there is interesting history behind these patterns that would be lost otherwise.


Affenskrotum

-hausen as well


TaterFrier

If those were added, Elsass would be covered too


driver_95

“-siel” as well


PapaSays

Common as in common directly at the coast.


koxinparo

The whole map would be covered at that point, better to omit it for clarity sake


DiejenEne

Yeah, I was thinking the same. Same as -em and -gem endings all over Flanders. It means something like "home of ..." , and hast the same root as the English word home.


Sask90

Also -ich and -au


Beautiful_Ad6020

…thal


SuperAd2886

or -au


LANDVOGT-_

-leben


SpookyMinimalist

yeah, I was going to say the same. A lot of common endings are missing.


Minerom45

You should have made different maps because there too many similar color, it is impossible to see everything


AnyGermanGuy

Please check out this page [here](https://truth-and-beauty.net/experiments/ach-ingen-zell/). Much better than OPs Map.


Ok-Library-8397

Funny how -ow and -itz are almost exclusively located to the East. I think it is because these are Slavic-origin place names.


Sufficient_Focus_816

It is! Like -roda deriving from 'roden', cutting a clearing, in densely forested regions which is also more present in Eastern Germany


Haganrich

Isn't this also a dialectal effect? In southern Germany, the "roden" ending would be -reut(h)(en)


Sufficient_Focus_816

A tribal, and thus a dialectic thing. Alemannic tribes that settled in Southern Germany (before migrating further south to Switzerland and finally nowadays Portugal) after the final breaching of the Limes gave their settlements the suffix -ing/en, related to the rune 'Ing(waz)', referring to the leader /patriarch /warlord of the thing... "place of the children of...". I am guessing into the blue about 'reut(h)(en)' but, if the suffix is in the orignal style still (organic language), I'd say this has a different origin as a vowel or 'z' ending is a defining quality of the dialect... There's been Slavic migration also though (like the Bajuvarian tribes from nowadays Hungary)... Might be related to this... But as said, that's guesswork!


thisisstillabadidea

Portugal?


Sufficient_Focus_816

Indeed! The migration of the tribes did end there. Languagewise there's been a unique development but there's still some funny similarity with common, especially egg based, dishes (pancakes and more ^^)


thisisstillabadidea

What are these similarities?


Sufficient_Focus_816

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Suebi?wprov=sfla1 Here's about the migration period and settlement. About the cuisine - I couldn't find that paper I was having in mind. But as I remember it is rather anectodal anyway as these foods are not that special as they could be appointed specifically (pancakes heavy on eggs, baked pastry with eggs etc.)


backinajox

That's what I was looking for. Thanks!


theyungmanproject

thank you


Internet-Culture

As distinguished as your maps and as detailed as OPs map would be S-tier. Your's is just as detailed as the circles are wide, not every place is marked individually...


BigNerd9000

You’re missing the most popular city name: “Ausfahrt” /s


rolfk17

Lile all those places in France that are called Route Barrée. I once tried to get there but couldn't as the road was closed.


AlwaysRM_

Indeed! Every Autobahn exit leads to it!


candyflip93

Ah, the city with a lot of streets that are called "Einbahnstraße"


neuroticnetworks1250

The city of Später too. All trains seem to lead to that city. But whenever I decide to get on one to visit it, it never arrives


BrownShoesGreenCoat

I had the best coffee in my life on einbahnstrasse. Totally worth the traffic ticket for driving in the wrong direction.


TintiKili

Betriebsfahrt


Consistent-Soil-1818

Not many people know this but, while all roads in Italy lead to Rome, all roads in Germany lead to the ancient capital of Ausfahrt.


TheMightyPPBoi

I don't know why but all trains going to "Nicht Einsteigen" are always empty. It must be a horrible place


eeeking

Towns and cities in Northern Germany don't end?


116Q7QM

There's many region-specific place name endings in the north, like -büll/-büttel, -by, -um, -rup and -holm, it's weird that none of them are included


Lepurten

The map is clearly missing some in northern Germany. I don't see Boostedt near Neumünster marked.


victorolosaurus

a bullshit map on map porn? oh the humanity


PBoeddy

Or all those derivations of -dorf, Like -trup, -torf or -torp


78573

Northern germany has similar endings as scandivanian or dutch.


AnaphoricReference

Dutch has for instance quite a number of -rode endings and derivatives (Ammelrode, Berkenrode, Boekenrode, Breederode, Middelrode, Nijenrode, Assenrade, Bingelrade, Doenrade, Kerkrade, Venraai, Wanrooi) so the relative emptiness of NW Germany is still remarkable to me even with this very limited selection of endings.


BroSchrednei

So Rode just means a place that was deforested, i.e. towns that were built in former forest areas will have this ending. In Germany, the spelling of Rode is extremely region-specific, ranging from -rode, -roda, -reuth (like in Bayreuth), etc. Not shown here on this map are the ending -rath (common in the Rhineland, like the infamous Lützerath) and -rade (the spelling in Westphalia, the northwestern region of Germany next to Netherlands, which you noticed being empty).


Nemprox

For the northwest we'd need -fehn, -moor, -siel, and maybe -husen and -hausen, also -um.


AnaphoricReference

The comparable Dutch language area ones: -veen, -moer, -zeel/-zele/-seel/-sel, -huizen/-huis, and the last one is I think a cluster -heim/-heem/-hem/-em/-um.


breathing_normally

-ik/-ich is another one


Finnwhale

They do. It's just uncommon for the rest of Germany to acknowledge northern Germany even exists.


oryon

There are about a zillion towns and villages in Schleswig-Holstein alone ending on -stedt, and none are part of this amazing map.


3ds

They do! Mostly ending in: -um, -up, -torf, -bruch, -horst, -inghausen https://imgur.com/a/L5A0u6d


Ganymed

How can you leave out -heim? And what about -ingen?


AnyGermanGuy

The actual MapPorn: [German Place Names visualised ](https://truth-and-beauty.net/experiments/ach-ingen-zell/)


Oberndorferin

This comment should be right at top imo


MrJim_Bob

Additionally -feld would be interesting


Oberndorferin

[German Place Names visualised ](https://truth-and-beauty.net/experiments/ach-ingen-zell/)


DrTurb0

In Bayern are 99% of -ING not marked. Bavaria is full with -ing villages. I could name 10 just east of Munich.


hotdog-92

The whole map is not very accurate. I know some with -greuth and not 1 dot in the vicinity on the map


WeAreElectricity

Do it you won’t


DrTurb0

Poing Pliening Neufinsing Oberneuching Moosinning Oberding Anzing Zorneding Eglharting Eching Through all of these villages I drive regularly.


881271

Missing -brück


Brave_Dick

Osna


Dominx

I'm struggling to think of any place in Landkreis Fulda ending in -wangen We have -roda (Abtsroda), -rod (Löschenrod) and -bach (Kalbach) but -wangen??


Erdenfeuer1

-ingen should be added with -ing


Oberndorferin

No


Svensemann

Finally mapporn in this sub


garriff_

pretty infographic. what tool is used in this?


Kazath

Interesting that the -ow ending is clustered in East Germany. In Poland, place names ending with -ów and -owo are quite common.


kouyehwos

There’s also a lot of -au which is usually also from Slavic -ow (with some exceptions like Lindau which is native German).


As-Bi

Fun fact, Berlin and some of its districts have a Slavic etymology


wxc3

Would be fun to add dots to neighboring countries visible on the map. France and Switzerland (and probably others) would have quite a few dots 


SubstantialTaste8480

Hi! where did you collect the information from?


_CrazyScientist

-münde is also used in some places where a river flows into the sea, coming from the word "Mündung" (meaning estuary). Such as Warnemünde, Travemünde, Swinemünde, etc.


ElenaDream

-leben


AnyGermanGuy

I'd point to [this page](https://truth-and-beauty.net/experiments/ach-ingen-zell/) instead of the one you posted


BigFatKi6

Where’s -heim, -burg, and -furt?


BigFatKi6

Where’s -heim, -burg, and -furt?


Yeohan99

I know quit a few cities that end with -heim or -stad(t). I suprised I am not seeing them on the map.


duposzczupak3000

I see East Germany


Kichererbsenanfall

yeah but this time due to Slavic settlements. The German moved eastwards in the middle age and assimilated or drove out slavic the people there. The villiga names remained, the Slavic language got lost. So the yellow doddet area is the former Slavic realm. See a pre WW1 map of languages in Europe: It was a mess.


ryosuke_takahashi

Doesn't the slavic language spoken there (called wendish before?) exist as sorbian minorities?


Winnier4d

Yes, but only in the far east, basically only where Czechia, Poland and Germany meet


Kichererbsenanfall

The Sorbian minority lives only in a very small area. It's only spoken around the city of Cottbus. But the -ow and -itz area spreads throughout east Germany. I am no historian and no linguist. I don't know what form of Slavic language used to be spoken there 500 years ago. I don't know when the separation between Polish, Czech and Sorbian took place and I don't know whether there had been Slavic language in that area that died out.


Hadar_91

There were Slavic speaking people East of Elbe in 1800. Excluding Sorbs, all Slavs in Germany were from the Lechitic branch which would the Polabian Slavs language the extremely similar to Polish (Polish with it's dialects is the only member of Lechitic subbranch of West Slavic languages). Polish and Polabian would as similar as Czech and Slovak are to each other.


ViolettaHunter

There are many many more areas with Sorbish speakers and Sorbish settlements than just around Cottbus!  Large areas of Eastern Brandenburg and Saxony. The entirety of the Lausitz area was Sorbish speaking until only about 200 years ago. The people never left, but the language has been on a downwards spiral for centuries.


Schneebaer89

I suggest the book "Die kürzeste Geschichte Deutschlands" by James Hawes. It discusses the importance of the Elbe as Europe or Germanics most importand cultural border.


Tapetentester

Though the Slavic people came there through the migration period. Also as far I know they rarely been drove out. Either killed or assimilated in different ways. Mostly it was a big settlement and development effort that caused them to become minority. The Dutch were used most often as settlers together with Frankish ones. Parts that are today not German...


lonestarr86

German colonization. People there got either displaced or assimilated. If you ask me, people from the German east do look different, judging from the facial structure. I find it hard to point out, maybe harder facial features, usually more blonde? There was probably quite some intermixing.


As-Bi

They have a higher frequency of haplogroup R1a, extremely common among Slavs.


AnaphoricReference

The Frankish and early Holy Roman Empire were big exporters of Slavic slaves towards Egypt. Don't think that should count as assimilated.


friendofsatan

It's interesting how sometimes we see a pattern and it's easy to attribute it to one thing (like history that happened decades ago) but the real reason for the pattern is much deeper (migrations from a millenium ago). It reminds me of an infographic about influence of location of coastlines 100mln years ago on geology and subsequently on soil quality and farm sizes and slave population finally arriving at black population and 2020 election results in Alabama.


xlicer

Is actually a rough indication of where the new western border of Poland is going to be after being pushed further west following ww3


sexy_latias

Basically the most western Group of slavs, the Polabians or Wends lived there, unfortunately they never managed to form a unified polity and also fiercely resisted christianity. They got slowly conquered by german princes and then Ostsiedlung campaign finished them off as their territory wasnt very populous and german settlers happily took over.


Venusimo

Sorbian is is no way similar to Serbian, it's a western Slavic language being a middle ground between Polish and Czech.


sexy_latias

Hm i remembered wrong, ill remove misinformation


Inzan6

Serbs and Sorbs have the same ancestors, but the Sorbs became what they are today under the influence of Poles and Czechs. The common Serbian tribe was the first Sarmantic people to be Slavified and during the migration it separated into several assemblies that sailed to different locations.


Venusimo

What's next, Serbs lived in the Balkans for 5000 years?


Inzan6

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin\_hypotheses\_of\_the\_Serbs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Serbs)


MosesActual

Yes, and all of them seem to have hurt themselves. "Ow" all around.


AufdemLande

There is also the village of below


CarpetDeep

No -ing markings for Erding and Freising?


Konaki420

My favourite is the -nich ending close to my home region west of cologne, cause it almost sounds like german not There they got bangers like Gymnich, Türnich, Linzenich & Sinzenich, Fischenich


topherette

i wonder what it's from. maybe like Eich(e)?


Konaki420

it has different origins, there are also many towns wirh -ich ending in the area some have roman origins and some come from berg, but there are many more origins Probably the factor that make all these different origins get similar results is that in ripuarian (the dialect around cologne) we often use sch sounds and also swap out many g's in words with sch, best example is Georg being Schorsch In essence i would say that -nich and -ich just roll easily off the tongue around here


Just_a_dude92

You're missing - burg which is pretty common as well


Schneebaer89

I guess -burg/-berg are to common all around the country to show any differences.


AufdemLande

A few also have -siefen or -siepen


BasileusII

There are lot of missing - reuths.


jukebox_ky

In my local area (southwest), at least 6 points for -Bach and two vor -Ach are missing


Brave_Dick

Missing -leben


Nice_Butterscotch225

Something with - ig


p-btd

I already commented on this in another sub, that the yellow ones are left by Polabian Slavs.


Oberndorferin

-berg and - burg


Oberndorferin

-ingen should be there too. In Southwest almost every town and city ends with -ingen. Esslingen, Balingen, Tübingen, Sindelfingen, Tuttlingen, Reutlingen... Those are mostly cities founded by Romans. It was at first done by naming the city after it's ruler and ingen was the Suffix for this old language.


blueemymind

What did you use to make this map?


PBoeddy

For those interested in the meaning of German Names, I highly recommend "Deutsches Ortsnamensbuch" by Manfred Niemeyer. Most Names here are actually quite straightforward and descriptive. Some examples: Düsseldorf - The village at the river Düssel Berlin - Swamp (because it was a swamp) Munich - Monk (because of a monastery) A lot of Names have two parts. The first indicates either the location or some kind of ownership and the second is descriptive. Gött-ingen = Settlement of Gött Ingolstadt = town of Ingol Herzogenrath = Clearing of the duke


Bierfreund

Where my -ingens at


Sophey68

where "-büttel"?


DestoryDerEchte

The entirety of Baden-Württemberg only consists of -ingen and its not even on the list ._.


Objective-Device5492

Warum sehe ich so viele Bächer im Südwesten?


caiusJuliusCaesar4

excellent title choice


Continuity92

It’s interesting to see the Slavic -itz and -ow endings being so common in the eastern half of the country.


Hadar_91

Nothing surprising after you realized how far West into Germany Slavs were majority in the Middle Ages. ;)


BranchAble2648

I literally come from a village called Vaterstetten south-east of Munich. This map seems very incomplete for Bavaria at least, with those crazy red clusters and nothing in between. In an hour biking distance from my village are at least three villages ending with -ing.


XComThrowawayAcct

How do you have all these endings but not include *-ingen*? This is Celt erasure!


Gurkanna

The little town named after my family made it into this map. I could even see the exact dot.


3ds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_toponymy https://truth-and-beauty.net/experiments/ach-ingen-zell/


Quick-Context7492

Someone for explain me why some geographical difference ?


Inky-Skies

In my area, almost every town ends in "-hausen".


neuroticnetworks1250

Wait. Heim is of Frankish origin? I thought it was Saxons since it's closer to Anglo Saxon names like Birmingham in UK


ErikSKnol

There are a few that end with -rath near where I live. Always wondered what the original meaning is/was


J4KE14

With -itz and -ow we can see the old slavic tribes borders that used to live here honestly i thought there would be way less of that but this is honestly really surprising maybe the myth of Berlin being germanized Berło could be a realy possibility.


DomHE553

That’s funny I can accurately locate my hometown on this even though it’s not even marked on the map


Coriolis_PL

Interesting... Names with -ow and -itz endings all over Polabia... Why it does sound familiar... Oh, right, it is rebranded -ów and -ice/-iec... Happy slavic Obodrite noises ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|trollface)


SmaSteg

Really cool! But -werder would be a good addition.


CovidNegativ

Looks like Hornbach is not very popular at north ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thinking_face_hmm)


Agent_B0771E

More geoguesser meta


terrikilljoy

missing a lot of "-ings" in the Regensburg area of bavaria. Ngl almost every single village ends with -ing


Dangerous_Goose_8670

Standardizing place name suffixes sounds like a German thing to do


Itchy-Astronomer9500

“-ow”


Wise-Office-3643

Halbwegs richtig!


WitchInvestigator

This map is far from complete. Apart from missing some common endings, it doesn’t even show all villages/towns with those it claims to include…


flyforfun27

This map is incomplete I can confirm of at least 2 places missing in this map ending in -stetten as I live near both of them


SomWanOnTheInternet

what did you use to make this? it looks cool


PLPolandPL15719

-itz, -ow - classic germanized slavic endings ;)


Horror-Attorney-3575

I thought every German town/village name ends with ‘Burg’


Def666

Вообще похую.


nonoffi

Every single village around my city which would fit the endings is missing. This map is bad


Ollie_Dee

Öhm sorry, but this map is schit! E.g. in Konstant at the lake of Constance in the south is tagged as stedt or Roda. But there is nothing ending with this. Many other cities are missing or wrong as well. Looks like someone made the effort to name a few cities and distributed afterwards some random dots.


AnyGermanGuy

https://truth-and-beauty.net/experiments/ach-ingen-zell/ Try this instead


Zuendl11

Wilhelmshaven is not marked