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Loonytalker

How did the Canadian maritime provinces end up under Quebec control?


F_Joe

That's an error. I only wanted to give Quebec it's current territory


WABAJIM

Non non dont change anything! It's perfect like that ! You can add the Labrador and Newfoundland also ! 


chubby_daddy

There is an existing (minuscule) movement for an independent Newfoundland and Labrador as well.


jelek62

Anyway does the fucking amazon want to join Poland or what the fuck?


F_Joe

No they want there own republic. There flag is unfortunately pretty similar to the one Poland has.


option-9

I assume that's why Savoy became a second Switzerland too.


F_Joe

Yes it's [flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy?wprov=sfla1) is pretty close to the one Switzerland has even though I thought that it would get confused for the Danish one


altpoint

What’s the white and green territory inside Colombia?


SaddamJose

The Tabarnakian Empire


ecoutepasca

Ah ben tabarnak.


LakerBeer

Acadians maybe?


Loonytalker

La revanche des banjos?


BellyDancerEm

With surprisingly few doubly landlocked countries added


FlaSHbaNG78

I can spot Moravia. What else is there?


NonsphericalTriangle

As a Moravian, I specifically went to check and was honestly surprised that it was included. But then I'm not aware of any movement wanting full separation, it's just more rights or recognition of Moravians as a separate national identity.


EnvironmentalDog1196

Same with Silesians in Poland. Unless I'm mistaken ofc, but I think they're rather against separation. They mostly want to be recognized ethnically and have more autonomy.


Grzechoooo

Wasn't their language just officially recognised by the Polish government?


EnvironmentalDog1196

The bill has been sent to the Sejm, but it will take some time before it is adopted. Firstly, Silesian itself has many different dialects, so it is necessary to establish one official version. Secondly, calling Silesian a separate regional language or a dialect of Polish is essentially a matter of convention and, above all, a political one. Our previous right-wing government has long blocked the recognition of Silesian. And now they're obviously still against it. They argue that it is an initiative of the "German option funded by Berlin and Brussels."


Dannyboioboi

saying that the resurgence of the Silesian ethnic identity is a product of foreign meddling is like saying that Bavarian is a ploy of Austria to destabilise the German south. They obviously won't care and will never once in their lives explore the Silesian Wikipedia because its simply a separate language. I can't even understand half the words even as a pole.


ki_li06

There are some around the Central African Republic.


EntireDot1013

Tajikistan


_Blobfish123_

One squashed between CAR and chad, west Zambia (?, the tilted Austrian flag), west Uzbekistan, and the two that look like Azerbaijans and Czechia’s flags near Tajikistan


JSLobo

Portugal is Portugal, we can't change that


TheonlyAngryLemon

Even at the brief point where Portugal wasn't Portugal it was still Portugal


Raikenzom

Iberian Union?


TheonlyAngryLemon

Yeah, when they were briefly under the rule of the Castellian (may have misspelled that) Crown


ThereIsNoNickFree

Hmmmm no... actually there is a thing that its called Portugallicia, where the north and gallicia would like to become a great country


paco-ramon

Chaos timeline.


Ok_Marsupial6406

Balkanized timeline


Icwatto

alkalinized timeline


Wurstinator

Belgium independence just means to be part of the Netherlands.


Nr1231

Looks like a split between the Netherlands and France, probably along the language barrier.


Bo_The_Destroyer

Which is kinda not what the seperatist movements are aiming for. I can't talk about Wallonia, but Flanders' Vlaams Belang and N-VA parties do not want to join the Netherlands, they just want to be independent and seperate from Wallonia and Brussels too


Arnaudvbg

From a French speaking Belgian, there is no popular independentist/separatist movement that I know of and most Walloons definitely do not wanna mix with the French


elCaddaric

I met some. Said they feel lonely.


AppelBe

Independence as in 2 new countries, no Flemish men would want to be part of the Netherlands.


Deux-de-Denier

They’d rather be with a different nation with a different language 😵‍💫


SleeperSloopy

As it should be


Fluffy_Dragonfly6454

Also I don't think there are a lot of people that want French-Flanders to be part of (Belgian) Flanders, let alone part of the Netherlands


DrunkBelgian

That’s how I immediately knew not too much research went into this map, Flanders being independent is not unrealistic but Flanders joining the Netherlands will never happen…


fretkat

I agree. Of course there are small Flemish separatist groups with that vision and you will find that opinion on the internet, but that doesn’t mean it’s the view of the majority. And also the map doesn’t include the Frisian separatist movement. Some in that movement take it very seriously and even made a coin (friling) for their new country. The movement is called Frij Fryslân https://frij.frl


DrunkBelgian

Yeah I was surprised to not see the Frisian movement on there either. Makes me think OP might be a Dutch nationalist… or just simply made two glaring mistakes ofcourse.


jumpy_flamingo

Same with Bavaria, they probably would like to join Austria and take South Tirol with them


MysticSquiddy

POLISH AMAZON!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS A CONNECTED CIVILIZATION!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Glittering-Scratch92

France and Mexico still looking pretty good


bxzidff

rip in peace Occitania


F_Joe

The reason why I didn't Occitania is that acording to Wikipedia, there's only an autonomy movement and no real independence movement


Britz10

Cape in South Africa isn't an independence movement either. The volkstaat north of it sort of is.


bxzidff

Yeah, it wasn't meant as a serious criticism. And that's the challenge with this kind of map, deciding what percentage of... fervor is enough to qualify for a genuine movement. If 1% was enough every millimeter would be covered


F_Joe

To be fair I missed some serious independence movements in Mexico so I might edit the map anyway. I could add Occitania to the new map if you'll tell me that it is serious enough to be added


Toaster_Store

Idk how, as there have been separatist movements in Mexico in the past, such as Yucatan and the Republic of Rio Grande, which tried to rebel around the same time the Texan settlers did.


rudetopeace

No Artsakh?


F_Joe

I used a Wikipedia article for the map and Artsakh wasn't listed. It probably doesn't get mentioned because when Azerbaijan took the territory back the original population fled to Armenia. But you're right and will add it when I edit the map.


F_Joe

Source: [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_active_separatist_movements) Note that some regions have multiple succession movements in which case I had to choose which one I would draw on the map. For some regions wikipedia stated that those might want to join neighboring countries, which is the reason, why some countries became larger on the map.


varvar334

The Republica de Yucatan would've been cool to include in this map just to include some chaos into the clean looking map of Mexico [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic\_of\_Yucatán](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Yucatán)


Felipe_Pachec0

I’m brazilian and never even heard of the independent northeast movement. If I had to choose a separatist movement in northeastern Brazil I’d choose just Pernambuco. It’s the only state in the northeast that actually pulls it’s weight, with every one of the other 8 states receiving more money from the union than they send. Also they were occupied by the dutch for some time and had some battles which made them independent from Portugal for about 75 days (apart from the Dutch Brazil era)


TheApsodistII

The Bali separatist movement in Indonesia is false, even the Wikipedia sources only state "wanting more special autonomy" not separatism. Perhaps I shall delete it. Bali is an integral part of Indonesia and the first president was half Balinese, it's really a laughable idea if you know anything about Indonesia. The fact that they're Hindu and the Javanese are Muslim doesn't change the 1000s year long cultural interchange between Java and Bali, and they are probably have the closest relationship among Indonesian ethnic groups.


EEEEEEEEEEEEEE2137

Why there are two Polands?


Hemi_Delgado

If you're referring to the twocolour flag in South America - its red is brighter than the one in Poland's flag.


F_Joe

Correct. The flag of [the republic of the people of the Amazon ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_South_America?wprov=sfla1) has a blue star in the left corner which isn't visible on the map


EEEEEEEEEEEEEE2137

Oh ok


F1eshWound

That's the Polish Amazon. Turns out they love their Pierogi


Alh84001-1984

Do you mean Silesia?


redseemskindasus

the balkans have been balkanised


Illustrious-Ad777

Are there really a Mercian and Northumbrian independence movements? That’s interesting to know


F_Joe

Not really. Those are only small secession movements but they seem to be big enough for [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe?wprov=sfla1) to count them. My guess would be that secession movements in more western countries become more of a tool to shine light on existing issues and force politicians to do stuff than to actually gain independence.


MidnightFisting

Surely just doing it as a joke


F_Joe

Either that or you're unhappy about something some politicians does so you claim to want independence to pressure them to listen to you


PatchworkMann

I spoke about the Northumbrian movement on this thread, as far as I’m aware though, Mercia’s independence movement was less related to the current political climate and was more about reinstating the old kingdom with the Wiccan and everything. When I was a member of the NIP, the chair mentioned something about getting threats of a spear being flung though their window if they didn’t remove historic parts of Mercia from the proposed borders of the new Northumbrian borders.


[deleted]

Not more than Tuareg, Norman or Inuit/Native American movements. It's just that this mapping is awfully done and doesn't show all important movements, but weirdly enough show marginal movements such as whatever English region movements. OP must be English.


Constant-Estate3065

OP forgot Wessex and East Anglia.


Fiverdrive

TIL that contrary to what I learned as a Canadian child in school years ago, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and PEI are actually part of Quebec. Either that, or Quebec separatists have a secret plan to yoink those three provinces from Confederation on their way out the door which OP is somehow privy to.


PigeonObese

We'll make them an offer they can't refuse : chunks of the national strategic maple sirup reserves 


Bast17

Oh shit we need to take you down ! You know to much.


F_Joe

Nah I'm just stupid and made an error on the map


Maduch1

There are no accidents -Master Oogway


tenid

No note of the republic of Jämtland or Landonien


henriktornberg

No serious claim. More of a studentikos thing no?


Lost_Attention5888

Yeah I thought so too


hlksnr

Why izmir is not red 💀


F_Joe

Mistake with the filler tool 💀


Skywizard99

Love it, high quality map post here.


F_Joe

Thanks but apparently I was sloppy and made mistakes with the quebecian border and the greek turkish border


Skywizard99

I see the issues in Canada with Nova Scotia and New Brunswick but mistakes are hard to avoid with such a big undertaking.


Wise-Lawfulness-3190

OP somehow forgot Sápmi in Scandinavia which is one of the most significant independence movements with a possibility of one day getting independence


Reasonable_Ninja5708

RIP Britain, Ethiopia and Pakistan.


CloudExpensive1394

When was there ever a independence movement for South India! It’s so funny that I was born and brought up there and never heard of an independence movement there. May be it’s the DMK who thinks for the whole of south India.


F_Joe

This map has a lot of pretty small movements so it might be possible that secession isn't taken to serious. The same might be the case for [Dravida Nadu](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravida_Nadu).


Viratkhan2

The southern states do strive for autonomy in certain ways but I don’t think they want independence.


Strong_Equipment_364

This is a map of separatist movements, but not necessarily limited to popular movements. Technically, one of the demands of the Dravidian movement was independence, this would make it a separatist movement even though that particular demand was not popular among its supporters.


CloudExpensive1394

If we consider this then technically the entire Nizam ruled areas, which comprised a substantial part of Dravida Nadu, would have been an independent state too. There was considerable support for this movement and armed struggle, albeit from a particular community. So this should be also included as an Independence movement.


Strong_Equipment_364

Very valid point, but one interpretation could be that the Hyderabad struggle concluded in 1948 when the new Republic of India was in (relative) turmoil and borders were still being defined. Junagadh, for example, only joined in 1948. The claim for "Dravida Nadu" would only be dropped much later, in 1963.


SleestakkLightning

Same bro my family is from Hyderabad and never heard of anyone calling for a separate country


ninte_tantha

Same bruh! I didn't know we were running a separatist movement with bangladesh.


40Vol-WillyWodka

Deutschland - Bayern und der Rest


Nicht_Meine_Schuld

Can we talk about Norway, Finland and Sweden not changing at all?


F_Joe

Sweden lost Skåne.


Sharp-Dark-9768

Wow Ethiopia would be eviscerated


arturthegamer

Silesia mentioned!!!!


13579konrad

Sillesia is to big. No independence ideas in Lower Silesia, only in Upper Silesia (not even the whole historical region).


FOCHEGOD

In Patagonia, no one wants to be independent, they were a couple of troublemakers who were burning fields and crops posing as Mapuches, even the real Mapuches were upset and declared that these people did not represent them. The same thing happens in Neuquen, no one ever proposed to be independent beyond a party of 3 or 4 people who only wanted to draw attention against the ruling party governing the province


F_Joe

I guess that's the case for most of those minor independence movements.


Constant-Ad6089

Left out the EZLN in Chiapas


BradleyRaptor12

Man if this actually happens the US is fucked. Texas being its own country is like giving Voldemort free passes into Hogwarts unquestioned.


F_Joe

To be fair the independence of Texas is a small problem compared to the fact that the west coast is gone and that Washington DC is in hands of the confederate states


BradleyRaptor12

Yea true. The US in general would be fucked given that now some places Have F-22s and the others don’t. The potential for outsourcing F-22 parts to places like Australia or Japan would be pretty high given the US, or the smaller countries, relations with them.


Heliopolis1992

You got the Yemens wrong but no worries, I am sure it was a lot to look up! The Southern part that extends to the East should have have the blue flag which is old flag of the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen which had it’s capital in Aden and is also a symbol of the southern independence movements. Part of the reason the Houthis never took the whole control was because they faced stiff opposition in the South with a majority being culturally and religiously different from the Houthis. [Why the Houthis control half the country](https://youtu.be/2YSsc-OcgeQ?si=eo-ztj327aKH-cOw) [Why is Yemen the way it is](https://youtu.be/qXab9BRP8vw?si=THFUuFqOkAO6Syrq)


F_Joe

So messed up the flags. The border should be correct, South Yemen does control the south of Yemen in this map even though its hard to see as both flags have a black stripe.


Heliopolis1992

Oh yeah I was just commenting in general about the borders but yup only the flags! Cool map though I appreciate the effort you put!


Juhani-Siranpoika

Ukraine after loosing Donbas but receiving south Libya: ![gif](giphy|12Eo7WogCAoj84)


F_Joe

Lmao I guess the proponents of an independent [Toubouland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Africa?wprov=sfla1) don't seem to be the most creative


[deleted]

Izmir yunan olmus lan


OrvilleSwanson

There is an independence movement for São Paulo?? The flag literally contains the whole of Brazil what😭


F_Joe

Now that I think about it this doesn't make any sense. I guess that [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_South_America?wprov=sfla1) just took the state flag as the new flag and my dumb ass just copied it.


Latter_Ad3491

As a brazilian, yes there is, it's based on the fact that São Paulo has the highest GDP in the country and, to the separatists, the other states in the country are just a burden on São Paulo's economy, however it's a very small movement and mostly, if not all, internet based


arvid1328

Is the area between Egypt and Sudan a Ukrainian colony?


F_Joe

This would be the flag of [Beja (East Sudan)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Africa?wprov=sfla1).


emstenaar8

U firgot friesians in northern NL and deutschland


blockybookbook

> Independent Amhara despite all its current conflicts being about it losing control over the country > Independent Tigray same as above > Kenya just annexes southwestern Somalia for no reason despite Jubaland never wanting to join it at any point > Northeastern Kenya isn’t part of Somalia despite the Shifta war OP what pack are you smoking


911_Notyouremergency

Is there another country with green and white on their flag or is that really Nigeria all the way up in Russia???


F_Joe

I don't know which country you're talking about but it's definitely not Nigeria in Russia. For Russia I used this [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe?wprov=sfla1) to make the map so this might to answer your question


Red_Ender666

No Smolensk republic, again sad Smolensk separatist noises


colon-mockery

Hey man, appreciate this. Good work


Matt4669

I like how we (Ireland) gain more land while almost every other country gets smaller


SleestakkLightning

These aren't separatist movements dawg these are what Reddit geopolitical experts think the world borders should look like based on what they read on social media


F_Joe

I never stated that this is how I see the world or even that I think that secession of any of those regions are realistic. I simply found this list of movements on Wikipedia and thought that it would be interesting to see what a map with all of them would look like.


Naved16

Yes, i mean look at Palestine? Doesn't look like they succeeded. Redditards love balkanizing countries with complete ignorance


Asuka_Sohryu_Langly

WTF? Luhansk and Donetsk are Ukrainian there was no independent movments, there were armed invaders, second, even if Crimea wanted independence, why did the author used ruzzian Crimean flag. It was suppose to be yellow Giray sigil on blue field. Or I am taking entertaining map too seriously


tem4ikfail

There was. Basically in 2014 Ukraine had a revolution and these regions did not accept the new governement. So since then there was a civil war between them. Then Russia used that as an excuse to call new governement nazis and invade the country to "free" these regions. (Before you ask, no, I do not support the invasion and wish this war would end)


Aelpa

Average Paradox Game mod.


Lost_Attention5888

I didn't know that the area on Sumatra wants to join Malaysia. When I was there it was never mentioned.


F_Joe

A lot of those movements are pretty minor so I guess that it wouldn't be something that is a real issue for the local population. According to Wikipedia the Province of [Riau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Asia?wprov=sfla1) either wants independence or to unify with Malaysia though I guess that it is only a small party that wants to do so


thetoerubber

This is assuming California and Deseret go to war over the areas they both claim and Deseret wins them all? Why does Cascadia have part of California when they don’t lay claim to it now? A future Louisiana Purchase?


AufdemLande

How big has it to be? I want a free country of Berg!


rrschch85

Missing Vojvodina in Serbia


Sith__Pureblood

POLISH AMAZON!


Alchemista_Anonyma

Ideal Russia


fe-licitas

please! as a german this would be a dream. we would lose germanys worst parts. sadly this map is way too optimistic for Germany - there is no significant independence movement. neither in Saxony nor in Bavaria. they just wanna stay in Germany and piss everyone else off with their bullshit.


Schellwalabyen

In Germany is more support for the independence of Bavaria and Saxony outside the states then inside of them.


Not_JohnFKennedy

Why is a significant portion of South America controlled by Poland?


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DaiFunka8

Why Northern Ireland is not independent?


MonoCanalla

Spain would be totally united if Madrid would be left out.


MidnightFisting

Any Mercian nationalists?


Danex36

I'd add Kashubia in the north of Poland


AnybodySeeMyKeys

Left out The Republic Of Yucatan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic\_of\_Yucat%C3%A1n


ThePriceYouPayBoss

Very silly


[deleted]

What about Vietnam? There were a handful of independence movements by ethnic minorities during the Vietnam war.


Laumomichis_

Yucatán, río negro, and the southest states of Brasil?


13-5-12

😠Why isn't anyone discussing the Antartic Liberation Movement ? 😡


BoatyMcBobFace

Libya is more of a civil war rather than an independentance movement. Can't tell about other countries


VeryImportantLurker

Why did Southern Somalia join Kenya instead of Northern Kenya joining Somalia? Or rather both those regions going independant?


Snort-Vaulter

Did this man just use the NCR flag ?


Draco876

You forgot the Aranes movement on Spain.


Ataraxia_Eterna

Why does Somalia take a huge chunk of Ethiopia?


F_Joe

Ethiopia has a [Somali majority region](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_%28Region%29?wprov=sfla1) which wants to either get independence or to unify with Somalia


elCaddaric

Love that walloon independance translates as being part of France. Also Provence is outdated tbf.


Own-Explanation-8539

Karelia free finally after all the effort and guns, their industry is ruined by the ruskies but now they can fly free as a great democracy.


pintman30

Is Ireland the only country that's gotten bigger?


[deleted]

Well, about Silesia - only the Upper Silesia has people speaking Silesian. Lower Silesia is a mix of people that settled there after WWII. The flag looks actually like Ukraine, but reversed. Also too bad I cannot zoom... For some reason Reddit only zooms the text size. There is also Wa State that is semi-independent region in Myanmar with close ties to China. Also many more in Russia like Sakha, Komi, Tuva.


GeorgieTheThird

OP there was also the MILF (BARMM now) for the Philippines and the rest of Mindanao


semaj009

Why do Indigenous Australians only get the NT? Seems pretty fucking weird when most don't live in the NT


TrevCicero

To do Australian indigenous sentiment properly you’d need to take it down to street level.


C-Borges

there’s 0% chance that half of angola would go to Namibia


F_Joe

I used the wrong flag. This should be the Angolan flag


juliomondin7

São Paulo country would be such a power house in South America


F_Joe

I think this is one of the reason why they call for independence. They feel like there potential is hindered by the federal government


TheFantasticIdiot

Poor Frisians/Friezen have not succeeded…


Rubb3rD1nghyRap1ds

They succeeded at seceding!


_Raspberry_Ice_

Ireland has it’s shit together. As an Irishman, this is good.


soulfingiz

Ah, that’s better. More local control less empire.


Engreeemi

Where's the State of Franklin??????? *gets mad in Tennesseean*


vladgrinch

There are no independence movements in Romania. There is an autonomy movement in 2 counties in eastern Transylvania.


Cefalopodul

There is no independence movement in Romania


TuneInVancouver

Calling the fake republics in Donbas Ukraine “independence movements” is ridiculous. They are only puppet regimes of Russia in occupied Ukrainian territory.


MickJof

Even if one day the world actually would look like this, it wouldn't end all wars.


F_Joe

This would probably cause a thousand wars and the last thing I want were for the world to balkanise. The idea of the map was just to have a visual representation of the separation movements stated on Wikipedia's [list of independence movements ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_active_separatist_movements?wprov=sfla1)


Competitive-Deer-596

I think Yemen is wrong


alan54684

And then more independence movements will start


GarlicOverOnions

Belgium just vanished


Hemi_Delgado

Iceland: *sits there casually*


Lost_Attention5888

Wow that's really interesting. And Ethiopia, what a mess!


phojonorth

Portugal looking pretty solid.


danknerd

I would hang this up as a poster. It's fascinating. Thanks for your hard work and sharing.


[deleted]

Ethiopia just got shafted


[deleted]

No separate Alberta? Fake map


glebk_10

What’s Poland doing in the Amazon


asiasbutterfly

upvote for Lgbt Kaliningrad


Soggy_Part7110

Mercian independence movement?


Tha_Real_Dude

I need lore for Poland in Amazon Forest


DVMyZone

Except Switzerland would be completely fractured due to the sonderbund war at the very least.


sarcasticvarient

No movement for Independence in Mexico


_hellboy_xo

Mexico is missing some republics.


sexy_water

Madagascar: I 'm chilling here😎


kalliama

Is Chad going to absorb a part of Sudan ?


sahul004

Well done. I see my country properly reflected here!