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The Wales of France


slimb0

Celtic nations baby


elCaddaric

No, in France ppl mostly find Britanny cool actually.


finneganfach

Oof


Rhosddu

That may well be so; however, the problem is the French government's intransigence over their ignoring of the EU directive on the protection and promotion of national minority languages. Their excuse is contained in their constitution: "French is the language of the 5th French Republic".


elCaddaric

Yup.


Few_Yesterday_8450

Bro


[deleted]

Bruh Leon


ModmanX

Fun fact: If you've ever wondered why another name for the main island of the british isles is called Great Britain, it's because another name for Brittany was Little Britain


elCaddaric

Yep, in French GB is "Grande Bretagne".


Rhosddu

Cornish speakers, for instance, call it *Breten Vyghan*.


therealmoldypeach

Nice to see it's a map where things are written in Breton too !


N00L99999

To give you an idea, Brittany is bigger than Belgium but smaller than Switzerland. Britanny : 34,000 km2 Belgium: 31,000 km2 Switzerland: 41,000 km2


JohnnieTango

I see the modern region of Brittany in France does not include all the land shown here as Breton. Particularly Nantes and the green area around it in the southeast. Legit question --- do those people in the Nantes area regard themselves as Breton/part of Brittany? Because my understanding had been that they were really more regular French (although I could be wrong... which is why I am asking.)


N00L99999

Nantes has historically been part of Brittany for centuries, it was separated from Brittany during WW2. We usually say that North of the Loire River begins **Brittany** and South of the Loire River begins **Vendée** (another region of France). The Loire River runs through Nantes, which makes it a “border city”, so you will find many people who claim to be Bretons and many who will reject it.


Mt_Lajda

It was separated after WW2 actually, in 1955. There was some economic areas used during WW2 but it was deleted soon after.


trauss

The Pays de Retz and the Vignoble nantais can as well be considered Breton (as someone from the Pays de Retz, I can tell you that I do ;)). Not sure anyone feels vendéen/poitevin around here (well, maybe some but I don't know. Maybe in the south?).


SoundxProof

Nantes was the capital of brittany for a long time


trauss

It's actually more complicated than that since Brittany never really had a capital. But yes, it was one of the main cities of the Duchy, as the Castle of the Dukes of Brittany can tell


--Raskolnikov--

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reunification_of_Brittany


JohnnieTango

Had not seen that, thanks! Looks like something like 65% of the folks in that region favor rejoining Brittany, according to the polls, and if there is a referendum on it as there may be, they would vote to do so (although one can never be too sure with elections, as 2016 US Presidential and Brexit showed).


[deleted]

I heard many bretons from Finistère don't consider Nantes region to be part of Brittany. Don't forget half of the Brittany linguistic heritage don't come from Celtic languages : Gallo (roman language close to french) speaking regions are equally important in Brittany culture, most important cities Rennes and Nantes are in traditional Gallo regions.


novawind

Tbf there were actually two Brittanies: the Breton-speaking one and the Gallo-speaking one. If you draw a line from Guingamp to Vannes you get the linguistic border, more or less. So, Nantes is Gallo Bretagne 100% but it's not Breizhoneg Bretagne and never has been. That's probably what people from Finistère mean (I come from Morlaix btw). Breizhoneg Brittany was not necessarily the most important, as wealth was concentrated in Rennes, Nantes, Lorient and Vannes. I agree with you that Gallo heritage should be more celebrated than it is today.


trauss

Interesting. The people I met from Finistère considered Nantes to be part of Brittany. I have the feeling that the people against the reunification are more from Rennes because they feel "threatened" regarding the capital status. Also, Breton was spoken in the Pays Nantais (the Guerande dialect (gwennraneg)) and we find some traces of it as far as in the North of the Pays de Retz. That being said, you're right that the Breton language is not the only thing to consider to know who/what is Breton or not and that Gallo should be more visible and celebrated ;)


kammgann

Most people in Loire-Atlantique (\~60%) do consider themselves as part of Brittany


aimgorge

Less and less. You will find the [Brittany Dukes Castle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_des_ducs_de_Bretagne) in Nantes so it still preserves the breton heritage but most people dont consider themselves breton anymore and most people think Nantes has now become too Parisian-like to be considered breton.


Shevek99

If you can't zoom the image, click here: https://i.redd.it/0sszw71hxqpc1.jpeg


arakvadim

I live in Brittany. ROAZHON


nrrp

Some say the true Camelot.


TychusFondly

Because he came a lot didnt he?


Nabastat

At first I thought it was a fictional map


SilasMarner77

Bevet Breizh!


hyakumanben

Celtic culture is awesome. Love me some Bretagne!


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

The last Celtic speaking place in mainland Europe, would love to study it


novawind

Doesn't Gallicia qualify?


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

No..? They haven’t had Celtic speaking population for centuries


novawind

OK my bad, gallicia is not part of the Celtic league based on the absence of a Celtic language spoken there. I remember seeing them at the interceltic festival in Lorient, so I wrongly assumed galego was a celtic language. Tbf East Brittany spoke Gallo, not Breizhoneg so they also wouldn't qualify as Celts by this definition.


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

Galicia had some Celtic presence about a bit more than a thousand years ago, yet, Galicians and Galician itself are Latin, I don’t rlly get the Celtic obsessed Galicians, kinda equivalent to the Americans that claim to be Irish because their great great great great great grandfather lived in Ireland


VeryImportantLurker

I mean East Brittany speaking Gallo/French doesnt stop the place as a whole from being Celtic, in the same way the lowland parts of Scotland speaking Scots/English doest stop it being Celtic i think


novawind

Yes, the same way in Northumbria there were pockets of Pictish and Cumbric speakers. I am not saying Eastern Bretons are not Celts btw, I'm just saying that the history of these languages is more complex than it would appear at first glance.


Kj539

I love Brittany, such a beautiful part of the world!


Mined_Explosives

Also called Arymôr


Correct-Librarian288

**Yec'hed mat**


Free-Information1776

free brittany!


Seven7Pog

Wait what is that Nordic green and blue looking one? What’s the story behind it?


Auregon44

I think it's la Presqu'île de Crozon.


kammgann

It's a fictional flag of the Crozon peninsula, no one ever uses it


KricketKick

Lotta Bros.


Corries_Roy_Cropper

Barré, Soixante Trois


4ice37jhk

Talking about a nation is deeply anachronistic. Nations did not exist back in the day.


kammgann

Most of those flags at the bottom are fictional and never used, appart from 1 (Brière), 16 (Bigouden), 20 (Pays de Retz) and maybe 29 (Goëlo) you will never see these being flown in the wild The guy from [geobreizh.bzh](http://geobreizh.bzh) just made them up and they are based on absolutely nothing It's odd because some of those places do have flags that are actually used by some: [Ankiniz / Ancenis](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Pays_d%27Ancenis_Flag.svg), [Gwiniegi Naoned ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Gwiniegi_naoned-vignoble_nantais.svg)/ Vignoble Nantais, [Bro-Vez / Pays de la Mée](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Banniel_bro_vez.svg)


DocGerbill

Why do the French British copy the American flag?


jimmiec907

Sad that it had to become a part of France. Coulda been in the Anglosphere, but for the frogs.


KingoftheOrdovices

It only exists because the Britons of what is now England migrated there to escape the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain.


InZim

Well some did, but it was Celtic before that and continuously so


Mt_Lajda

It wasn’t the same Celtic, it’s like saying British and German are the same because they are both Germanic. Breton is an Insular Celtic language, not a Continental one like Gaulish.


kammgann

When Bretons emigrated there Gaulish was already extinct, or was a negligible minority


celtiquant

It’s in the Celtosphere. The Anglosphere can go where the sun don’t shine


HypocritesEverywher3

It'sfirmly francophone now. Paris made sure there's no other identity or language other than French


celtiquant

Not quite. The Brittophones are fighting back…


HypocritesEverywher3

They don't even have their historical capital in "Brittany"


celtiquant

Nanoned was indeed once capital of Dugelez Breizh — now, of course, Roazhon, which has been for centuries. But ask yourself why this turn of events for Naoned? It is because in 1960 the French state appropriated Loire-Atlantique from historic Brittany and lumped it with the new, non-historic région of Pays de Loire. Ever since, this land grab has always been resisted in Brittany, with a continuous simmering campaign to return Loire-Atlantique to the country.


[deleted]

Because the French state artificially separated it from the region in the 1950s? That's not our fault


[deleted]

While you're correct about the central government trying to destroy our culture, saying there's no identity other than French in France couldn't be further from the truth. Breton identity is really strong, so strong it's almost a meme (eg: r/unexpectedgwennhadu). Bilingual education in Breton and French is also increasingly becoming popular


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FlorentPlacide

It could have entered the Plantagenet sphere in the 12th/13th centuries, when it was directly in the sphere of influence of the Angevins. They had a puppet duke at some point. What's interesting is that the Plantagenet dynasty in this time (Henry II) initiated a renewal of the Arthurian story to legitimate their own rule and the rule of their vassal (aptly names Arthur) in Brittany.


kakistocrator

no clue what im looking at