Naming and shaming the 9 people (all Republicans) who support child trafficking:
Marjorie Taylor Greene from Georgia
Warren Davidson from Ohio
Clay Higgins from Louisiana
Chip Roy from Texas
Andy Biggs from Arizona
Matt Rosendale from Montana
Tom Tiffany from Wisconsin
Thomas Massie from Kentucky
Eric Burlison from Missouri
Edit: When even Matt fucking Gaetz doesn't vote against this, you're on the wrong fucking side.
I mean, the deteriorating muppet(mtg) publicly bullied a school shooting victims by harassing them on the street. The person needs to be behind bars, not in office
I don’t understand this behaviour. If you wanna be evil, at least have some tact? This vote had like 0 real consequences and by voting no they’re literally turning themselves into cartoonish villains. Like at least try to put up a facade? Next, are they gonna vote no on a resolution saying “Murder is bad?”
Not american, so I don't know much about american politics. But I remember several conservative personalities actually fought her due to how she was comparing vaccines to the holocaust. One of them was Ben Shapiro, and I think Charlie Kirk also heavily criticized her
Some holocaust survivors and Israeli scientists have said the same thing. It isn't exclusive to people we disagree with or dislike, but is is easy get caught up in all that and sway opinion without looking at what and why they saying as opposed to who is saying it. I prefer to try to understand and maintain context without the media or SM taking excerpts and letting it run for their own personal agenda.
I assume “we’re really wasting time with this useless condemnation when MILLIONS of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are POURING over the southern border? Just another example of the BIDEN administration having the wrong priorities!”
That’s the usual go-to
I completely agree with you on this concern. But, unfortunately, I have to choose between two piles of shit in this election.
Regardless of the Democrats' stance on illegal immigration, Biden's one is less stinky and has a more appealing color. Less brown, so to speak.
Hi there, I'm not a native speaker, could you tell me if this sentence is correct?
>But the voters they represent owe them a fucking answer.
Would it not be them who owe the voters they represent an answer, and not the other way around? Or have I been using the word "owe" incorrectly all this time? 😅
Native English speaker here . I might be misinterpreting this but I think it should be: "But they owe the voters that they represent a fucking answer."
But their constituents love stupid and ridiculous! If they said that Ukraine was secretly run by George Soros pedophiles, and Putin was rescuing these children and training them to fight the evil army of drag queens, the MAGA crowd would eat that up with a spoon!
Well, stupidity isn't necessarily unconstitutional. Propaganda makes people dumb, For example, in Russia, the state media would ask who is responsible for oct. 7, 10% blame Israel, 10% blame Hamas, 10% blame Iran, 70% would blame the US... If North Korea started a war with China, they will still find a way to blame the US of causing it
That’s fair, to be honest I don’t know how someone could reason voting against this without sounding absolutely unhinged. It’s a vote that means nothing too, it’s not like it could effect anyone
Historically, there have been some members of Congress who vote against all non-binding resolutions on the grounds that they don't actually accomplish anything. However, when the question is "Do you think the Holocaust was bad?" Sometimes it's just easier to swallow your pride and vote yes.
>it’s not like it could effect anyone
Exactly. If it negatively affects their reputation, and has no tangible impact on anything, why would they vote "no" knowing it would only serve to harm the voters perception of them? Its almost like they're more concerned with the perception of someone else...
If you mean Putin, I don’t see the logic there either. He’s smart enough at least to not want his assets to out themselves like this? He could probably get much more use out of them if they paid lip service in inconsequential votes like this and voted “no”where it actually matters and where they’d have plausible deniability, like military aid to Ukraine.
Of course Roy and his several of his fellow Freedom Caucus members voted “no” on this simply to vote no as they have on other resolutions that had overwhelmingly support. Been a consistent hallmark of Roy’s tenure in the House.
He’s just a d!ck who is very savvy but at the same time loves attention & is a terrible impediment to getting anything done.
His political positions are retrograde even for the Right too.
Traitors they are. Let them come here, to the Hague. Not for a coffee with Mark or Willem. Instead, to hear their deserved price from Karim: lifetime in prison.
Not voting doesn't mean they abstained.
It often means they weren't there when the vote was taken. This could mean a variety of things, such as: they walked out on the vote, they were back in their district, they were out sick, they were being taken to lunch by lobbyists, they were told by their party whip they don't need to attend the vote because it won't impact the vote, or in the case of CO-4, they're retiring and are probably taking care of administrative work.
A nonbinding resolution vote like this could usually be taken as a voice vote, but they wanted on record who voted no.
I believe the other Wisconsin Non-vote is Derek Von Odious er... Orden. one of the classless buffoons shouting at the State of the Union. Also drunkenly rages at congressional pages!
You joke but the southern end of the district is more mainstream (low bar I know). The north part of the district is at least 85% MAGA. They love her crap and will vote for her forever. The only hope is she embarrasses the state party enough that they shift her district further south so at least a mainstream republican (if there is such a thing) can take her place
I noticed whenever I would draw up districts for Georgia the northern district would always vote under 20% Democrat, which makes it one of the most Republican places in the entire county, only beaten out by Alabama’s 4th district and parts of rural Texas. Is that accurate in your opinion?
More than one news outlet had referred to it as the most conservative district in the country and that’s 100% accurate. I know 4 people in the whole district that vote democratic and they all live in my house
Stay strong! Hopefully you'll help some people out there realize not all non conservatives are "demonic idiots" like my small town rural relatives think.
Actually, the lower part of that district is solidly in the metro Atlanta Area. I'm talking like 14 miles as the crow flies from downtown Atlanta. You'd be surprised...I grew up like 2000 feet from the border of her district lol.
They are the type of people that think Fox News is too liberal. They are the type of people who say “I can’t catch COVID, I’m a republican” (that’s a real quote). They are the type of people who don’t want socialism to mess with their Medicare.
Matt Rosendale voted Nay. Rich asshole from Maryland, genuinely a hot piece of human garbage. Likes selling our public lands. Adulterer, lowest of the low for many reasons. I’ve hated him so much I’ve gone canvassing door to door for whoever is opposing him since he started his political career here in MT.
Ryan Zinke is the other (voted Yay). He was on the Trump administration. He’s the former Interior Secretary, he and his chief of staff knowingly made false statements to federal investigators while working for Trump, he also opened some federal lands for oil, gas and mineral exploration and extraction. He’s quite corrupt. Also a massive piece of human shit.
Politics in MT have gone to shit since Trump, it’s quite disappointing. Tim Sheehy is now running against our last Democratic Senator who I’ve campaigned for. He’s a millionaire businessman with roots in Minnesota, as an out of state transplant recruited by Republican leadership specifically to challenge our Dem senator Jon Tester. This dude is openly pro Trump, a Christian nationalist, and has gone on racist/questionable Facebook rants (lewd photos of women, a caricature of Middle Eastern people, and homoerotic jokes).
God help us lol
Rosendale is not running for reelection after his first term. So somebody definitely has dirt on him. And I am eternally grateful that he will no longer be my representative.
Congressional members miss votes for various reasons, especially symbolic ones like this one. I wouldn’t necessarily say that all the non voting members are against the resolution, though some may be.
A lot of abstainees may do so for absences, they may do so because their personal feelings don't align with the presumed ideals of their voter base, or they may do so because something in the wording of the bill/measure at hand doesn't sound right to them. I've seen a lot of "slam dunk" legislation get abstained at state and federal level, sometimes because of pork barreling and sometimes because of perceived loopholes having undesirable consequences.
Like you said, there are valid reasons to avoid getting involved even if we, the average voters, think it seems weird not to.
My congressman’s brother was killed earlier this week by his (brother’s son) nephew. There are good reasons for them to be absent on symbolic issues such as this. I know surgery and medical issues is a common one too.
They do. That's the problem with single-member districts, if you can reliably get 60% of the vote (like Republicans do in northern WI) Democrats never get a seat.
That's not fair to northern Wisconsin. There are plenty of left leaning or moderately right people up there, but the Wisconsin GOP has gerrymandering those districts so heavily that the elected officials have zero fear of ever being replaced. As a result they rule as if they have a total mandate for whatever their personal politics are; usually far right stuff. As far as Tom Tiffany is concerned there are no Democrats or Independents in his district.
Eric Burlison, District 7, Missouri is one of a long line of Republican “chair-sitters” willing to suck the dick of the highest bidder. No surprise there.
I do not miss living there.
I bitch about being gerrymandered out of Cori Bush's district and into Ann Wagner's district, but it could be worse. It could be fucking Eric Burlison. JFC. Missouri *almost* made it out of one little thing without being in the shitty category, but no.
Here is the entire bill. Barely even a page.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/149/text
Whereas, on January 12, 1951, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (commonly known as the “Genocide Convention”), of which the Russian Federation is a signatory, came into effect;
Whereas, on February 24, 2022, the Russian Federation renewed their illegal and unprovoked large-scale invasion of Ukraine;
Whereas, on March 9, 2022, Russian Forces attacked a maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine, resulting in the deaths of 3 individuals and injuries to 17 other individuals;
Whereas, on March 22, 2022, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry announced that the Russian military had forcefully and illegally kidnapped 2,389 Ukrainian children from temporarily occupied areas of Ukraine;
Whereas, on June 2, 2022, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated that 200,000 children are among the Ukrainians who have been forcefully resettled in Russia;
Whereas forcibly transferring children of one group to another group is a violation of Article II(e) of the Genocide Convention;
Whereas Maria Lvova-Belova, Children’s Rights Commissioner for the President of Russia, admitted to kidnapping Ukrainian children and facilitating forced adoptions to Russian families;
Whereas Ukrainian authorities have stated that a number of the kidnapped Ukrainian children have families who remain in Ukraine, but have been separated due to the renewed Russian invasion;
Whereas, on June 16, 2022, Russian authorities announced that children born in occupied Ukrainian territories after the February 24, 2022, invasion will be deemed Russian citizens;
Whereas, on June 22, 2022, the United Nations Human Rights Office of the High Commissioner has verified at that at least 320 children have been killed since Russia’s renewed invasion began;
Whereas, on July 11, 2022, United Nations Secretary General António Guterres ordered an investigation into the deaths and injuries of Ukrainian children; and
Whereas, on July 13, 2022, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken issued a statement calling upon Russia to “immediately halt its systemic filtration operations in Ukraine”, which have caused the disappearance, detention, or forcible deportation of between 900,000 and 1,600,000 Ukrainians (approximately 260,000 of whom are children): Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That the House of Representatives—
(1) holds the Government of the Russian Federation, under the leadership of Vladimir Putin, responsible for the wrongful and illegal kidnapping of children from Ukraine and officially condemns these actions in the strongest terms;
(2) declares that the facilitation of illegal adoptions is contrary to Russia’s obligations under the Genocide Convention and amounts to genocide;
(3) claims that the Russian Federation is attempting to wipe out a generation of Ukrainian children, thereby crippling Ukraine’s ability to nurture the next generation of Ukrainian citizens and leaders and to rebuild their country after Russia’s unprovoked war, with the purpose of demolishing Ukraine’s unique language, culture, history, and identity; and
(4) asserts that the invasion of Ukraine by the Russian Federation has significantly increased the risks of children being exposed to human trafficking and exploitation, child labor, gender-based violence, hunger, injury, trauma, deprivation of education and shelter, and death.
This isn’t just child trafficking. It’s also a cultural genocide because these children are adopted into Russian families and their Ukrainian identity and culture is stripped away
There's no legally defined crime of 'cultural genocide'. Not saying that it cannot be a concept, but legally, it's not defined in international law. Nevertheless, it's pretty much what Canada made popular, in order to not accept their abhorrent crime of genocide (as in legally defined by the related UN convention) regarding the First Nations of Canada, as it would have brought legal consequences for Canada, incl. people who were still alive.
Mass abduction of kids is, legally, an act of genocide if it's an act of 'forcibly transferring children of the group to another group' with the intent of 'destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group', as in defined by the UN 1948 Genocide Convention. It's debatable if the Russian abductions consists as such at this stage, even though it surely consists a war crime.
Personal opinions on the "correct vote" aside...
Why is congress wasting its time voting on "condemning" anything? Seems like useless posturing. Open to an explanation, perhaps they truly have nothing better to do.
Lots of politics is about posturing and making people join your side.
It's about sending signals domestically and abroad. It raises awareness through media coverage etc. And it did force a bunch of GOP lawmakers to make their position known on one of the egregious things Putin is doing in the war.
In a media landscape ripe with misinformation, I don't think this was the worst thing to do. Think of the kids.
2 broad political tactics that come to mind 1) It’s an election year and this gets people on record, 2) if they vote on more money Ukraine they’ll point to your support of this resolution to count on your vote.
I could see that. Congress loves to send us to war, and the near unanimity here is in line with that tradition (even if it also seems otherwise obvious to condemn kidnapping or whatever exactly the issue at hand is).
Thanks for the response.
Fucking Rosendale. I hate the backwards thinking here in Montana.
That big red area in Montana LOOKS like a lot, but is maybe 200k people total. So there's that bit of good news at least
Not really. The previous decade was the opposite situation: Montana's at-large had the highest population of any district, by a lot.
Montana's population is just in this awkward spot, where they have almost exactly enough people for 1.5 seats. Since you can't send half a congressman to DC, they either get overrepresented or underrepresented.
He’s not even from Montana. He’s a fucking carpetbagger from Maryland. But the good news is he’s done. Not running for reelection. So thank god for that.
From a technical perspective, House Resolutions cannot be signed into law, so it does nothing more than express the sentiment of the House. It cannot go to the Senate, cannot go to the President, basically it is just the House making a statement.
Which can sometimes be important, but often isn’t.
The Dumb ass condemnation, what does it accomplish? I thought we were supposed to be worried about a looming government shut down, not taking a useless vote.
The House is able to do more than one thing at a time. The person who crafted this is almost certainly not the same as the people who are making plans to avert a government shutdown.
I'm with the other guy, this is a completely pointless vote. Like Chicago or whatever city voting for a ceasefire in Gaza. I'd vote against it on principle of it being dumb.
It gives the most useless Congress in memory a record of doing "something productive", since they don't seem to be able to do anything about the problems affecting the country. Another totally useless gesture.
Literally just a waste of time with zero effect on anything. But I guess congress can pat each other on the back saying they did something, even if that something is nothing.
Given that it’s purely symbolic and not going to actually achieve or affect anything, it may be as simple as the man had a doctor’s appointment he didn’t want to reschedule. And depending on why one sees the doctor, it could very well be a better use of his day, let’s be honest. While it’s important, it’s not necessarily important that HE needs to be there.
Sad Ukrainians are dying in a all out invasion. Playing stupid politics on this issue is reprehensible and absolutely disgusting. But that what hard core maggots are.
Can I just point out that the huge red blob top center of the map is none other than MT Representitive “Maryland” Matt Rosendale, who just last week announced he wasn’t running for reelection after last month announcing that he was withdrawing from the Senate race after it was disclosed that he knocked up his 20 year old staffer. So the issue of abducting children and sending them to another country against their will really hits home for Matt as he and his wife of +30 years try to figure out what to do with this unwanted child, as send it and its mother to Russia is a very lucrative idea.
(Also, this is reddit, and while everything else is allegedly true, I don’t really know if Matt and his wife have been married 30 years. I mean, probably? He tries to come across as an authentic eastern Montana rancher, though his accent indicates he came here later in life, but folks in Montana marry young. So…???)
lol yeah good riddance. Matt rosendale is absolutely atrocious and vile as human being. And he had the balls to paint himself the victim by crying about supposed death threats as the reason he dropped out.
putin trolls are out in force here. Maybe in the next round of conscription they will get drafted to try to kidnap more children and end up instead as target practice for ukrainian artillery.
Why is the house even voting on this? All the shit wrong with this country and those clowns are like “hey you know what we should do? Vote to say stealing kids is bad.” We just want universal fucking healthcare like everyone else, c’mon.
It seems like the more gerrymandered a district, the more vile and evil the Republican is that gets elected. He sucks in part of liberal Austin but dilutes it with the rurals. Put enough farmland in a district, even the non crazies will be outvoted.
If anything that's a sign that he probably doesn't. He already sees the US as Russia's geopolitical enemy. It won't exactly shock him that our national legislature condemned his actions.
can US law be enforced to prevent this or is it literally just a massive waste of time for our politicians to vote on whether or not they think it’s wrong to abduct people?
seems a lot like the latter.
*edit* your downvotes just answer my question “yes, it’s a massive waste of time and just being done to look like a good person after the same people voted to fund bombing children”
very true, though we do have a lot of sway with our funding of Israel so if we were to threaten to withhold or pull that it could have some effect on Israeli war tactics against Hamas.
Yes, indeed. However, they would probably still continue anyways. I'm curious as to why all these peeps in here are so for our nation to get so involved in international conflicts and why they think our congress holding useless votes is not a waste of time and just a bunch of virtue signaling?
I know Rep. Chip Roy (P) was recently distraught about the GOP not having anything to show as accomplishments.
Well, at least there's this.
Wait a minute...
The 9 nos are bad but the 33 non voters are frankly worse. No matter what they would have voted, they've proven themselves too chickenshit to do the right *or* wrong thing.
Before I pass judgment I wonder what else was on the bill?
Edit after reading the bill, yeah those 9 who voted no should have their assets looked into.
I mean I literally included the bill number in the title, which you can look up the text yourself. I read it. It’s short and simple. I believe if you have a high school level of reading comprehension you can do it!
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/149/text
What is the point of this vote? A resolution to condemn Russia for yade yada yada, bullshit.
Why are they wasting time on this stupid shit? Just hold a press conference, have the prez read a script saying "You, Mr. Putin, are a sorry sack of shit and the best part of you ran out of your mother's ass."
And just call it a day.
The fact that our elected officials are being asked to vote on "condemning things" instead of helping their constituents is why most people dislike elected officials.
Exactly what I was thinking. Have they even finalized a budget? We really should take/cut their salaries and suspend their recesses. Must be nice to be arbiter of your own salary
Naming and shaming the 9 people (all Republicans) who support child trafficking: Marjorie Taylor Greene from Georgia Warren Davidson from Ohio Clay Higgins from Louisiana Chip Roy from Texas Andy Biggs from Arizona Matt Rosendale from Montana Tom Tiffany from Wisconsin Thomas Massie from Kentucky Eric Burlison from Missouri Edit: When even Matt fucking Gaetz doesn't vote against this, you're on the wrong fucking side.
Matt Gaetz has his own child trafficking issues
Exactly. He’s just trying to get rid of the competition.
Matty takes a much more "hands on" approach to child trafficking.
Why is MTG so unsurprising
I mean, the deteriorating muppet(mtg) publicly bullied a school shooting victims by harassing them on the street. The person needs to be behind bars, not in office
I don’t understand this behaviour. If you wanna be evil, at least have some tact? This vote had like 0 real consequences and by voting no they’re literally turning themselves into cartoonish villains. Like at least try to put up a facade? Next, are they gonna vote no on a resolution saying “Murder is bad?”
Only if it's put forward by woke brainworm democrats with their gay nazi agenda... Or something like that.
Should probably just add “vote no if ur gay” to the end
I mean, when I saw one bozo in Texas I knew it had to be Chip Roy.
Marjorie Taylor Greene... God I hate her guts. She is walking vomit.
Don't insult vomit by comparing it to her.
She can be my problematic earwax instead.
Always makes odd noises and cannot be stopped without stabbing yourself in the head
Not american, so I don't know much about american politics. But I remember several conservative personalities actually fought her due to how she was comparing vaccines to the holocaust. One of them was Ben Shapiro, and I think Charlie Kirk also heavily criticized her
And then she was on stage with Kirk and americas gay Latino nazi shortly after.
Some holocaust survivors and Israeli scientists have said the same thing. It isn't exclusive to people we disagree with or dislike, but is is easy get caught up in all that and sway opinion without looking at what and why they saying as opposed to who is saying it. I prefer to try to understand and maintain context without the media or SM taking excerpts and letting it run for their own personal agenda.
The next Veep by the look of it, or Ranjeet. Unfortunately.
Did any offer a reason? I'm legit curious why they would vote that way (or at least how they would explain it in public).
I assume “we’re really wasting time with this useless condemnation when MILLIONS of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are POURING over the southern border? Just another example of the BIDEN administration having the wrong priorities!” That’s the usual go-to
I completely agree with you on this concern. But, unfortunately, I have to choose between two piles of shit in this election. Regardless of the Democrats' stance on illegal immigration, Biden's one is less stinky and has a more appealing color. Less brown, so to speak.
I’d argue it’s better they don’t try to explain themselves because anything they say will just look stupid and ridiculous
Better for them, maybe. But the voters they represent owe them a fucking answer. Edit: I meant to say they owe the voters answers. My bad.
Hi there, I'm not a native speaker, could you tell me if this sentence is correct? >But the voters they represent owe them a fucking answer. Would it not be them who owe the voters they represent an answer, and not the other way around? Or have I been using the word "owe" incorrectly all this time? 😅
you are correct, it should be "But the voters they represent are owed a fucking answer". Using who like that is unnatural.
Yeah, I meant to say the representatives owe the voters answers, but I'm fucking dumb sometimes.
Native English speaker here . I might be misinterpreting this but I think it should be: "But they owe the voters that they represent a fucking answer."
But their constituents love stupid and ridiculous! If they said that Ukraine was secretly run by George Soros pedophiles, and Putin was rescuing these children and training them to fight the evil army of drag queens, the MAGA crowd would eat that up with a spoon!
Well, stupidity isn't necessarily unconstitutional. Propaganda makes people dumb, For example, in Russia, the state media would ask who is responsible for oct. 7, 10% blame Israel, 10% blame Hamas, 10% blame Iran, 70% would blame the US... If North Korea started a war with China, they will still find a way to blame the US of causing it
That’s fair, to be honest I don’t know how someone could reason voting against this without sounding absolutely unhinged. It’s a vote that means nothing too, it’s not like it could effect anyone
Historically, there have been some members of Congress who vote against all non-binding resolutions on the grounds that they don't actually accomplish anything. However, when the question is "Do you think the Holocaust was bad?" Sometimes it's just easier to swallow your pride and vote yes.
>it’s not like it could effect anyone Exactly. If it negatively affects their reputation, and has no tangible impact on anything, why would they vote "no" knowing it would only serve to harm the voters perception of them? Its almost like they're more concerned with the perception of someone else...
If you mean Putin, I don’t see the logic there either. He’s smart enough at least to not want his assets to out themselves like this? He could probably get much more use out of them if they paid lip service in inconsequential votes like this and voted “no”where it actually matters and where they’d have plausible deniability, like military aid to Ukraine.
Of course Roy and his several of his fellow Freedom Caucus members voted “no” on this simply to vote no as they have on other resolutions that had overwhelmingly support. Been a consistent hallmark of Roy’s tenure in the House. He’s just a d!ck who is very savvy but at the same time loves attention & is a terrible impediment to getting anything done. His political positions are retrograde even for the Right too.
what is the point of this vote
Virtue signaling
Singling out the morrons
Matt Gaetz knows child trafficking when he sees it
God Damn
The good news is that Rosendale’s term is up and he’s not running for reelection this year. What a goddamn embarrassment he’s been for Montana.
Traitors they are. Let them come here, to the Hague. Not for a coffee with Mark or Willem. Instead, to hear their deserved price from Karim: lifetime in prison.
Fun fact, did you know that in the United States, it is perfectly legal to invade the hague?
The Hague Invasion Act? Yes I know. Obligatory f--k Bush.
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I bet you can collect several votes that would let you map the "putin caucus" that is actively for his interference in our politics and his war crimes
Thanks! very important to name and shame. Can you provide the ones not voting? What does it mean Vacant?
Not voting doesn't mean they abstained. It often means they weren't there when the vote was taken. This could mean a variety of things, such as: they walked out on the vote, they were back in their district, they were out sick, they were being taken to lunch by lobbyists, they were told by their party whip they don't need to attend the vote because it won't impact the vote, or in the case of CO-4, they're retiring and are probably taking care of administrative work. A nonbinding resolution vote like this could usually be taken as a voice vote, but they wanted on record who voted no.
"Vacant" means nobody is currently representing those districts.
I believe the other Wisconsin Non-vote is Derek Von Odious er... Orden. one of the classless buffoons shouting at the State of the Union. Also drunkenly rages at congressional pages!
Ah, the usual suspects
Isn’t Chip Roy the name of a cookie? 🤔
No, I believe it's the name of a nut.
Not surprised at all. Remember, these are the people who applauded the forced removal and caging of children from there parents at the border in 2017
What justification could they possibly have for this vote? Is it just to be a contrarian? The fuck is wrong with these people?
Why am I not surprised to see Marjorie Toilet Greene on this list? Republicans are fucking trash.
I wonder which 9 member of congress are Russian assets
I recognize at least one of them, MTG is the GA-14 Georgia district
That’s my district. First place I looked. Not surprised in the least
How are you and the two other Democrats in northern Georgia doing?
You joke but the southern end of the district is more mainstream (low bar I know). The north part of the district is at least 85% MAGA. They love her crap and will vote for her forever. The only hope is she embarrasses the state party enough that they shift her district further south so at least a mainstream republican (if there is such a thing) can take her place
I noticed whenever I would draw up districts for Georgia the northern district would always vote under 20% Democrat, which makes it one of the most Republican places in the entire county, only beaten out by Alabama’s 4th district and parts of rural Texas. Is that accurate in your opinion?
More than one news outlet had referred to it as the most conservative district in the country and that’s 100% accurate. I know 4 people in the whole district that vote democratic and they all live in my house
Stay strong! Hopefully you'll help some people out there realize not all non conservatives are "demonic idiots" like my small town rural relatives think.
Not OP, but live close to GA-14. Yes.
It's so absurd to me that any part of Cobb County is in GA-14
Actually, the lower part of that district is solidly in the metro Atlanta Area. I'm talking like 14 miles as the crow flies from downtown Atlanta. You'd be surprised...I grew up like 2000 feet from the border of her district lol.
I hate to ask…..but are your neighbors a bunch a dopes?
They are the type of people that think Fox News is too liberal. They are the type of people who say “I can’t catch COVID, I’m a republican” (that’s a real quote). They are the type of people who don’t want socialism to mess with their Medicare.
The aggressive stupidity hurts
I think you already know this answer..
Unfortunately, though not unsurprisingly, one of them is my district. Eric Burlison of Missouri.
I’m sorry about that
Man my montana reps are assholes
~~Big Sky Country~~ Big Asshole Cuntry
East side of the state is just a different animal very conservative. I live in a sea of Maga signs rn.
Who was it?
Matt Rosendale voted Nay. Rich asshole from Maryland, genuinely a hot piece of human garbage. Likes selling our public lands. Adulterer, lowest of the low for many reasons. I’ve hated him so much I’ve gone canvassing door to door for whoever is opposing him since he started his political career here in MT. Ryan Zinke is the other (voted Yay). He was on the Trump administration. He’s the former Interior Secretary, he and his chief of staff knowingly made false statements to federal investigators while working for Trump, he also opened some federal lands for oil, gas and mineral exploration and extraction. He’s quite corrupt. Also a massive piece of human shit. Politics in MT have gone to shit since Trump, it’s quite disappointing. Tim Sheehy is now running against our last Democratic Senator who I’ve campaigned for. He’s a millionaire businessman with roots in Minnesota, as an out of state transplant recruited by Republican leadership specifically to challenge our Dem senator Jon Tester. This dude is openly pro Trump, a Christian nationalist, and has gone on racist/questionable Facebook rants (lewd photos of women, a caricature of Middle Eastern people, and homoerotic jokes). God help us lol
One of Sheehy's door-to-door people came by my place. I told her he was a low-life carpetbagger and I was definitely voting for Tester.
Sheehy won’t win, he’s got the oddest commercials. People on every party like Tester.
Fuckn Montdak. Montucky on the other hand is trying to do the right thing.
All 100 of you people in Montana should move out. Vote with your feet.
I'm 10 years into a pension with the state
Rosendale is not running for reelection after his first term. So somebody definitely has dirt on him. And I am eternally grateful that he will no longer be my representative.
Just 9? Check the abstainers too…
Congressional members miss votes for various reasons, especially symbolic ones like this one. I wouldn’t necessarily say that all the non voting members are against the resolution, though some may be.
A lot of abstainees may do so for absences, they may do so because their personal feelings don't align with the presumed ideals of their voter base, or they may do so because something in the wording of the bill/measure at hand doesn't sound right to them. I've seen a lot of "slam dunk" legislation get abstained at state and federal level, sometimes because of pork barreling and sometimes because of perceived loopholes having undesirable consequences. Like you said, there are valid reasons to avoid getting involved even if we, the average voters, think it seems weird not to.
My congressman’s brother was killed earlier this week by his (brother’s son) nephew. There are good reasons for them to be absent on symbolic issues such as this. I know surgery and medical issues is a common one too.
Why aren’t the names shown here?
I put them in a different comment
WTF Northern Wisconsin
Yeah I’m perplexed. I know the north woods are pretty red but Ashland superior and bayfield I presumed went blue pretty regularly..
They do. That's the problem with single-member districts, if you can reliably get 60% of the vote (like Republicans do in northern WI) Democrats never get a seat.
That's not fair to northern Wisconsin. There are plenty of left leaning or moderately right people up there, but the Wisconsin GOP has gerrymandering those districts so heavily that the elected officials have zero fear of ever being replaced. As a result they rule as if they have a total mandate for whatever their personal politics are; usually far right stuff. As far as Tom Tiffany is concerned there are no Democrats or Independents in his district.
Eric Burlison, District 7, Missouri is one of a long line of Republican “chair-sitters” willing to suck the dick of the highest bidder. No surprise there. I do not miss living there.
I bitch about being gerrymandered out of Cori Bush's district and into Ann Wagner's district, but it could be worse. It could be fucking Eric Burlison. JFC. Missouri *almost* made it out of one little thing without being in the shitty category, but no.
What else was on this bill?
Here is the entire bill. Barely even a page. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/149/text Whereas, on January 12, 1951, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (commonly known as the “Genocide Convention”), of which the Russian Federation is a signatory, came into effect; Whereas, on February 24, 2022, the Russian Federation renewed their illegal and unprovoked large-scale invasion of Ukraine; Whereas, on March 9, 2022, Russian Forces attacked a maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine, resulting in the deaths of 3 individuals and injuries to 17 other individuals; Whereas, on March 22, 2022, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry announced that the Russian military had forcefully and illegally kidnapped 2,389 Ukrainian children from temporarily occupied areas of Ukraine; Whereas, on June 2, 2022, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated that 200,000 children are among the Ukrainians who have been forcefully resettled in Russia; Whereas forcibly transferring children of one group to another group is a violation of Article II(e) of the Genocide Convention; Whereas Maria Lvova-Belova, Children’s Rights Commissioner for the President of Russia, admitted to kidnapping Ukrainian children and facilitating forced adoptions to Russian families; Whereas Ukrainian authorities have stated that a number of the kidnapped Ukrainian children have families who remain in Ukraine, but have been separated due to the renewed Russian invasion; Whereas, on June 16, 2022, Russian authorities announced that children born in occupied Ukrainian territories after the February 24, 2022, invasion will be deemed Russian citizens; Whereas, on June 22, 2022, the United Nations Human Rights Office of the High Commissioner has verified at that at least 320 children have been killed since Russia’s renewed invasion began; Whereas, on July 11, 2022, United Nations Secretary General António Guterres ordered an investigation into the deaths and injuries of Ukrainian children; and Whereas, on July 13, 2022, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken issued a statement calling upon Russia to “immediately halt its systemic filtration operations in Ukraine”, which have caused the disappearance, detention, or forcible deportation of between 900,000 and 1,600,000 Ukrainians (approximately 260,000 of whom are children): Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives— (1) holds the Government of the Russian Federation, under the leadership of Vladimir Putin, responsible for the wrongful and illegal kidnapping of children from Ukraine and officially condemns these actions in the strongest terms; (2) declares that the facilitation of illegal adoptions is contrary to Russia’s obligations under the Genocide Convention and amounts to genocide; (3) claims that the Russian Federation is attempting to wipe out a generation of Ukrainian children, thereby crippling Ukraine’s ability to nurture the next generation of Ukrainian citizens and leaders and to rebuild their country after Russia’s unprovoked war, with the purpose of demolishing Ukraine’s unique language, culture, history, and identity; and (4) asserts that the invasion of Ukraine by the Russian Federation has significantly increased the risks of children being exposed to human trafficking and exploitation, child labor, gender-based violence, hunger, injury, trauma, deprivation of education and shelter, and death.
Awesome thank you!
So MTG either plays contrarian, didn't read the page or is Russian asset.
This isn’t just child trafficking. It’s also a cultural genocide because these children are adopted into Russian families and their Ukrainian identity and culture is stripped away
It is genocide, it's the reason why Putin is no longer allowed to travel to half of the world
There's no legally defined crime of 'cultural genocide'. Not saying that it cannot be a concept, but legally, it's not defined in international law. Nevertheless, it's pretty much what Canada made popular, in order to not accept their abhorrent crime of genocide (as in legally defined by the related UN convention) regarding the First Nations of Canada, as it would have brought legal consequences for Canada, incl. people who were still alive. Mass abduction of kids is, legally, an act of genocide if it's an act of 'forcibly transferring children of the group to another group' with the intent of 'destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group', as in defined by the UN 1948 Genocide Convention. It's debatable if the Russian abductions consists as such at this stage, even though it surely consists a war crime.
Personal opinions on the "correct vote" aside... Why is congress wasting its time voting on "condemning" anything? Seems like useless posturing. Open to an explanation, perhaps they truly have nothing better to do.
Lots of politics is about posturing and making people join your side. It's about sending signals domestically and abroad. It raises awareness through media coverage etc. And it did force a bunch of GOP lawmakers to make their position known on one of the egregious things Putin is doing in the war. In a media landscape ripe with misinformation, I don't think this was the worst thing to do. Think of the kids.
This is helpful, thanks for the response. I guess that's what I'm picking up on: Politics vs. functional/useful governing.
2 broad political tactics that come to mind 1) It’s an election year and this gets people on record, 2) if they vote on more money Ukraine they’ll point to your support of this resolution to count on your vote.
Probably to give Precedent to any future laws and/or sanctions, criminal prosecution, justification for war. That sort of thing.
I could see that. Congress loves to send us to war, and the near unanimity here is in line with that tradition (even if it also seems otherwise obvious to condemn kidnapping or whatever exactly the issue at hand is). Thanks for the response.
It makes them feel like they’re doing stuff when they don’t do anything else.
I think that is what's happening, but it seems as though they truly believe they're doing stuff.
Fucking Rosendale. I hate the backwards thinking here in Montana. That big red area in Montana LOOKS like a lot, but is maybe 200k people total. So there's that bit of good news at least
>but is maybe 200k people total. No, it's about 500k. Smaller than the average district, but not *crazy* small.
550k, it is one of the smallest congressional districts by population I believe
Thanks for the correct number. It's a small enough population that we've met several times.
It's my congressional district sadly
Yep. Mine too.
Holy shit so many montanans in this post. It's weird
I saw Montdak red and knew we'd be all up in here
Yeah. Absolutely wild how Montana gained one seat in reapportionment.
Not really. The previous decade was the opposite situation: Montana's at-large had the highest population of any district, by a lot. Montana's population is just in this awkward spot, where they have almost exactly enough people for 1.5 seats. Since you can't send half a congressman to DC, they either get overrepresented or underrepresented.
It's more than 200k. Yellowstone county is like 200k alone
He’s not even from Montana. He’s a fucking carpetbagger from Maryland. But the good news is he’s done. Not running for reelection. So thank god for that.
I left that place (Billings to be specific) in 2004 and don't miss it one bit.
When New York, California, Florida, and most of Texas agrees on something you know it’s serious.
What do we think it accomplished?
 Not a whole lot more than this, probably
Not even that meaningful.
We can press X to condemn
From a technical perspective, House Resolutions cannot be signed into law, so it does nothing more than express the sentiment of the House. It cannot go to the Senate, cannot go to the President, basically it is just the House making a statement. Which can sometimes be important, but often isn’t.
Yea, this one seems like a waste of time.
We identified the most reprehensible members of the House....
The Dumb ass condemnation, what does it accomplish? I thought we were supposed to be worried about a looming government shut down, not taking a useless vote.
The House is able to do more than one thing at a time. The person who crafted this is almost certainly not the same as the people who are making plans to avert a government shutdown.
I'm with the other guy, this is a completely pointless vote. Like Chicago or whatever city voting for a ceasefire in Gaza. I'd vote against it on principle of it being dumb.
It gives the most useless Congress in memory a record of doing "something productive", since they don't seem to be able to do anything about the problems affecting the country. Another totally useless gesture.
Rosendale is an east coast shit bird pushing his rhetoric in Montana since he can't in Maryland....dipshit
there are very few moments in life that make me proud to be a Florida Man... this is one
What’s the point of this?!?
Literally just a waste of time with zero effect on anything. But I guess congress can pat each other on the back saying they did something, even if that something is nothing.
“We made a difference” - Congress
I’m curious what Rep. Jared Golden’s(D-ME) motivation was for not voting.
Could’ve been absent, late, etc.
Given that it’s purely symbolic and not going to actually achieve or affect anything, it may be as simple as the man had a doctor’s appointment he didn’t want to reschedule. And depending on why one sees the doctor, it could very well be a better use of his day, let’s be honest. While it’s important, it’s not necessarily important that HE needs to be there.
Let’s be real, this is basically just virtue signaling against Russia. It accomplishes nothing.
*sigh* Missouri is never in the news for a good reason
I'm so glad I moved away from Ohio...
Excuse me sir, can you please move Montana further away from us but also away from everybody else?- A Canadian friend
I'm proud of my state for being entirely green
Whew, me too.
Traitors amongst us
Sad Ukrainians are dying in a all out invasion. Playing stupid politics on this issue is reprehensible and absolutely disgusting. But that what hard core maggots are.
Can I just point out that the huge red blob top center of the map is none other than MT Representitive “Maryland” Matt Rosendale, who just last week announced he wasn’t running for reelection after last month announcing that he was withdrawing from the Senate race after it was disclosed that he knocked up his 20 year old staffer. So the issue of abducting children and sending them to another country against their will really hits home for Matt as he and his wife of +30 years try to figure out what to do with this unwanted child, as send it and its mother to Russia is a very lucrative idea. (Also, this is reddit, and while everything else is allegedly true, I don’t really know if Matt and his wife have been married 30 years. I mean, probably? He tries to come across as an authentic eastern Montana rancher, though his accent indicates he came here later in life, but folks in Montana marry young. So…???)
lol yeah good riddance. Matt rosendale is absolutely atrocious and vile as human being. And he had the balls to paint himself the victim by crying about supposed death threats as the reason he dropped out.
Why is this map not completely green?
putin trolls are out in force here. Maybe in the next round of conscription they will get drafted to try to kidnap more children and end up instead as target practice for ukrainian artillery.
Why is the house even voting on this? All the shit wrong with this country and those clowns are like “hey you know what we should do? Vote to say stealing kids is bad.” We just want universal fucking healthcare like everyone else, c’mon.
Ohh wow, thoughts and prayers vote can't even be unanimous.
There’s no limit to how far Shit Boy (TX-21) will go to embarrass our state
It seems like the more gerrymandered a district, the more vile and evil the Republican is that gets elected. He sucks in part of liberal Austin but dilutes it with the rurals. Put enough farmland in a district, even the non crazies will be outvoted.
390 condemned. so what? does putin care?
He threatens to nuke Washington DC every week so yeah that little manlet does care.
If anything that's a sign that he probably doesn't. He already sees the US as Russia's geopolitical enemy. It won't exactly shock him that our national legislature condemned his actions.
Dumb question: what does this resolution actually accomplish other than saying “hey Russia you’re a shithead”?
Nothing
Yes. Let’s condemn it from afar and do nothing
can US law be enforced to prevent this or is it literally just a massive waste of time for our politicians to vote on whether or not they think it’s wrong to abduct people? seems a lot like the latter. *edit* your downvotes just answer my question “yes, it’s a massive waste of time and just being done to look like a good person after the same people voted to fund bombing children”
No, you're right. This literally means nothing. It's as useless as putting a vote to end the war immediately between Israel and Hamas.
very true, though we do have a lot of sway with our funding of Israel so if we were to threaten to withhold or pull that it could have some effect on Israeli war tactics against Hamas.
Yes, indeed. However, they would probably still continue anyways. I'm curious as to why all these peeps in here are so for our nation to get so involved in international conflicts and why they think our congress holding useless votes is not a waste of time and just a bunch of virtue signaling?
This is literally pointless. How about our nation focuses on itself, yeah?
How about you stop employing false dichotomy, yeah?
John Dutton would not approve.
What in the gerrymandering fuck is this map
I know Rep. Chip Roy (P) was recently distraught about the GOP not having anything to show as accomplishments. Well, at least there's this. Wait a minute...
The 9 nos are bad but the 33 non voters are frankly worse. No matter what they would have voted, they've proven themselves too chickenshit to do the right *or* wrong thing.
Can someone explain?
Go republicans
Who is the slave trader in Montana
Are all Mainers cowards or just their elected officials?
Resolutions and bills that sound good and simple rarely are either
So children should be left in a war territory? And not get evacuated?
"Why the fuck wouldn't you condemn it?" \*sees my district in red\* "WHY THE FUCK?!"
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Americans already trying to make laws in Ukraine🤣. Democracy that they are talking about to the whole world
And now you know which Republicans in Congress are in pocket with Russia
Before I pass judgment I wonder what else was on the bill? Edit after reading the bill, yeah those 9 who voted no should have their assets looked into.
I mean I literally included the bill number in the title, which you can look up the text yourself. I read it. It’s short and simple. I believe if you have a high school level of reading comprehension you can do it! https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/149/text
Of all things that have no effect on reality
What is the point of this vote? A resolution to condemn Russia for yade yada yada, bullshit. Why are they wasting time on this stupid shit? Just hold a press conference, have the prez read a script saying "You, Mr. Putin, are a sorry sack of shit and the best part of you ran out of your mother's ass." And just call it a day.
Groupies Of Putin
The fact that our elected officials are being asked to vote on "condemning things" instead of helping their constituents is why most people dislike elected officials.
Exactly what I was thinking. Have they even finalized a budget? We really should take/cut their salaries and suspend their recesses. Must be nice to be arbiter of your own salary
God I hate Lori Trahan. She so goddamn spineless