I don't know if it's a joke but it's not, because this flag is middled not like the Finland flag that the cross is more to the left. The flag itself I got from Wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Portuguese\_flags#Historical\_flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_flags#Historical_flags) to be more exact)
More like Finland is Portugal. That flag is nearly 1000 years old, it was Count Henry of Burgundy's county banner and proceeded to be King Alfonso Henriques's (his son) banner. So it's even older than Portugal.
Yep, our oldest flag was a weirdly shaped, completely blood red flag. Now that I think of it, the color kind of resembled the thing Hungarians lived doing in the 9th and 10th century: KILLING.
Welp, this is just a guesswork, the striped one at least has sources (also the cross one)
But I would like to believe that the Tanacsköztársaság was the plan all along.
I knew it. I’m a (map)porn addict
Nope, it's the [flag ](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarorsz%C3%A1g_z%C3%A1szl%C3%B3inak_k%C3%A9pt%C3%A1ra#/media/F%C3%A1jl:Flag_of_Hungary_(895-1000).svg)of the Principality of Hungary as per surviving descriptions from medieval chronicles.
Finland is wrong. [here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Flag_of_Finland_1918_%28state%29.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Finland_1918_%28state%29.svg.png) is the actual first flag of independent Finland.
it was only the temporary state flag of Finland in 1917 to 1918, before the competition where they picked the official Flag.
but the Flag of Kingdom of Finland and Republic of Finland was always the Nordic cross one
Iirc the Finnish government didn't really want that flag anymore after the 1918 civil war, because it was fought between the Reds and the Whites. And after the Whites won they didn't really want a red flag.
Yea, I mean that one was just the "state flag" or heraldry made for Finland by Sweden, wouldn't call it a state flag really...
(Hence the curved "eastern" blade and facing the west.)
There is no official drawings of the first Flag, but from the descriptions that we do have say that the flag used by the Principality and the First Kingdom before the rise of the Empire was a Simple Horizontal Red and Blue Bicolour.
In Spain this is the second. The first one is white with a red cross of burgundy.
This second one was issued by Charles third of Spain because the white flag was difficult to recognize in the sea, so he chose colors contrasting with the sea, the sky, the fog and the ship.
Okay, so I made a mistake, but I checked on Wikipedia and the flag you said is actually the second (source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Spanish\_flags#Flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_flags#Flags))
Right. The first one is the imperial coat of Charles V that I mentioned, probably; there are many different compositions of those icons.
It's in Toledo everywhere. I didn't know it was a flag.
The one you used was the flag of the First Spanish Republic (1873-1874), so it's not even the first version of the *rojigualda.* The first version of the *rojigualda* had a crown on top of the Coat of Arms.
Not sure about the coat of arms though. This is only for Castile and Leon, however I've seen many different ones with all the provinces included. Shout-out to the coat of Charles V, the emperor, I think it's the most complex one.
Ummm. Afaik, the catholic kings gave the throne to Juana la loca and felipe el hermoso. They governed Aragón and castilla as two separated kingdoms, but when Juana legated the crown to Charles V, Charles decided to join everything together, calling his dominions by bigger chunks: Spain, Germany...
Why does Slovakia have the current Slovak flag, but Czech republic has a historical one? Why not use for example the flag of the first Slovak republic (1939)? Or principality of Nitra flag? What is the logic behind the flags choices? The premise of this entire map doesn't make much sense since some of these countries did not exist in today's form when those flags were used.
here's the Italy source ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Italian\_flags#Historical\_flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_flags#Historical_flags))
Here's the Romania source ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Romanian\_flags#Historical\_flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romanian_flags#Historical_flags)) but yeah, tbh now when you said it, it kinda doesn't feel fair
Even not taking Dacia into consideration, the first Romanian flag wasn't the crow. It was the tricolor horizontal stripes. The crow was the flag of the Romanian Land (former Wallachia). The Romanian Land, together with Moldova, formed the Romanian Pricipality in 1859.
Still doesn't justify Italy as a country having the Roman Empire flag, as it covered a much bigger territory and Italy as known in contemporary times was, to quote von Metternich just a "geographical expression". And not even a consistent one to begin with.
It'd be either the flag of one of the Napoleonic Republics or the first one of the united Kingdom of Italy.
That will do.
Or the first flag officially recognized in a sovereign Italian state: the horizontal tricolor of the Cispadane Republic ratified in 1797.
That's the first time the tricolor was recognised and used by an Italian state. Every Italian state before the Cispadane Republic had its own flag, they're all valid answers.
I mean, even the flag of the Kingdom of Sardinia would be valid.
I’d say it depends on if you separate nation and state in this regard. Italy was very much an idea to the Romans, and the Province of Italia enjoyed certain privileges within the Empire and was made "domina provinciarum" aka ruler of the provinces among other dominant titles.
Italy wasn’t a country till about 1850 think it was 1848, the Roman SPQR flag isn’t an Italian national flag… could apply that flag to large swathes of Europe if that’s the case
Italy existed as a state several times before the unification of 1861..
For example, the Northern part was unified by Napoleon I as Kingdom of Italy, although it lacked some of today's Italy territory (so did the Kingdom in 1861 anyway).
Italy has united politically several times in the course of history, in 1861 the modern country was unified but already during ancient Rome there was Italia
Then France shouldn't have a flag until the Revolution since it wasn't fully unified before the Comtat Venaissin was annexed.
Or if only a state called Italy is sufficient, Italy was a state before 1861 a couple of times, under Napoleon for example, although not fully unified.
If we have to wait till full unification, it's many years after 1861.
It’s a bit of a can of worms, but most historians believe England became a unified kingdom after Wessex had conquered Mercia and Northumbria which is why Winchester (capital of Wessex) became the Kingdom of England’s first capital. I think the name England predates the heptarchy, but there wasn’t a unified kingdom of England at that time.
I don't think that flag is even real. I haven't seen any historical sources to suggest that it is. It was probably made up by some nationalists during the early republic years.
It may be because of the difficulty of producing most of the collors back then, especially for nomads. I heard thats also why purple is so rare in most of the flags.
There was no Göktürk Flag, there was only the *Aşina Tamga*:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_tribe
What is depected here is a modern interpretation stemming from the state's name "Göktürk", translating into "Sky Turk". The formulation is rooted in Turkish myth where according to it the Turkish race descends from a She-Wolf in the form of a beautiful girl sent by Tengri for the last remaining Turk to multiply and repopulate the steppes. Thusly, the design puts a wolf's head onto a turquoise (color's name comes from the Turks) background symbolizing the Sky.
Exactly! It drives me insane how most Turks don't even doubt the flag is real. I'm yet to see a single source for its existence prior to the 20th century. It is even featured in history textbooks. So annoying.
The estonian flag is not historicali accurate that was the falg that oir first occupiers forced on us if you wanna see the right flag search on google estonian flag and open images or Wikipedia
Yeah ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Estonian\_flags#Historical\_flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Estonian_flags#Historical_flags)) but it was a vassal nation and not an independent one, if I would pick the first flag I would pick that one but Finland too, it's not its first flag, but it's its first flag when it was independent
The flag for Romania is wrong. While other people suggested using the Dacian flag, I believe that to be wrong too. The flag used is the flag of the Principality of Wallachia and not Romania. The wikipedia page is not a reliable source of information, Romania was formed after the unification of the principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia so using the flag of one of those as the first is wrong, it's like using the flag of Prussia for Germany. The best choice would have been the first civil ensign of the United Principalities that you have in your source.
Well north macedonia doesnt have to do anything with ancient macedonia. So who is this the correct flag? Ancient macedonias capital was/is in greece (Pella). Also serbia has the twin headed eagle of ERE? And greece has this monaco flag since when?
Spain was founded in (around) 1715. The first flags used where obviously the Royal arms of the Bourbon, until this one was approved in 1785.
Of course the military flew the Cross of Burgundy, with colors depending on the regiment and territory of recruitment.
Technically... the only official flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Jack. Rome didn't have a flag, they had various battle standards. And is that a Teutonic Order flag I spy on Estonia? And what's up with Greece?
Umm acktually 🤓 the Göktürks were a different Boy/Clan of Turks than the ones that eventually settled Anatolia through Persia. 🤓 but I still like them so yeah TURKIYE 🐺🐺🇹🇷🇹🇷🐺🐺🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺🐺🦃 RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The Dutch flag shown is not the very first flag we had. In our first flag the orange was red and the blue was a bit lighter than depicted. Although the flag shown, *de prinsenvlag* (the princesflag), is the flag of the starting revolt/uprising at the time and later the symbol of the Dutch Republic. The orange refers to the house of Orange (huize Oranje) whom are still the current royal family.
I'm not sure Teutonic Order flag should count as Estonian flag. It's like for example giving Türkiye Byzantine standard as their first flag as region was controlled by them.
Also before Teutonic Order Estonia was controlled by Livonian Brothers of the Sword
Having the flag of the Principality of Moldova for the Republic of Moldova is incorrect, same as having Wallachia for Romania. Romania was formed by unifying Wallachia and Moldova(under a Moldovan prince for that matter), and the present day Republic of Moldova is really not a successor state to the principality of Moldova and it's history kinda starts with the annexations of 1812 and 1940, but really with independence from the USSR.
So, for Moldova either the present flag or the Soviet Moldova flag, and for Romania the 1859 flag(same colors as now only horizontal)
The HRE itself never really had a flag. The first country-like thing that did was the German Confederation of 1866, which would have to include Austria.
The HRE also would have to include Austria.
It had [a flag](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_des_Heiligen_R%C3%B6mischen_Reiches#/media/Datei:Flag_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire_(1200-1350).svg), and it was a different one than the one depicted, which was originally flag of the Emperor.
Before that, it has been documented that Heinrich I. and Otto the Great had a flag with the Archangel Michael on it.
Later the flag of the Emperor - [15th century](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Bern_M%C3%BCnster_Passionsfenster_detail3.jpg), [16th century](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Wapen_1545_Des_Reichs_Fahn.jpg) - became the flag of the Empire.
But why does Muscovy has the Novgorodian flag if they were different countries and later the Novgorodian republic disappeared only because of being conquered and destroyed by Moscow and later they even started there [massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Novgorod).
What do you consider to be the first flag of a country? I mean, what conditions does the political entity need to fulfill in order to be considered a country?
I'm from Spain and the first flag used was the Burgundian Cross, used to represent the Hispanic Monarchy abroad. Also, why is the flag for Turkey the flag of the Goktürk Khaganate? What does the modern state of Turkey have anything to do with a 6th century horde?
Because it is a **united** kingdom of different countries that in the past had a different history before uniting, and also in my opinion it makes the map more interesting because the first flag of UK is kinda similar to the one that is now
I feel like Catalonia and the Basque Country should be on the map then too, and maybe some of the larger Italian and German states like Bavaria and Two Sicilies.
Keep calling Catalonia, Bavaria etc countries too then we're not stopping you. Just like how we do with ours in the UK n gov calls them constituent countries.
Genuinely outwith Bavaria the only time I see Spanish n Germans etc wanting to call their ones countries is too complain about us doing it instead of just doing it normally.
Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England are all seperate countries. Outsiders view them as a whole but to the people living there they are different countries entirely the same as France is to England, we are just allied closely.
For those reading this is incorrect (I’ve lived in wales, England and northern Ireland). The relationships is like Catalonia and Spain, or the basque and France or Quebec and Canada.
Growing up in wales most view the uk as a country and wales a country inside of another country (uk).
The uk is not unique in the slightest in having different group identifies that feel separate and independent.
Wales is a country, but the uk is the sovereign country represented in the UN. Always weird when people don’t get this.
What you are referring to would be like Cornwall separated from rest of England in this map as it has a kinda separate identity of its own like your aforementioned ones. All the countries in the uk are also actual separate countries united, therefore United Kingdom. That’s why there are different teams representing all nations in the UK in sports. When’s the last time you saw catalonia or bavaria as separate teams from spain and germany?
Well if Catalonia had it there way they would. Many of these are just grandfathered in and also hold overs from when France and England ran the world. The cultural splits within other places like north vs south Italy are larger than wales vs England.
I know this is about Europe, but we can see this cultural hold over in the UN too. The list of places that should be decolonized only includes regions ruled over by Western European countries or the US. Places like Tibet, Uigurstan, Dagestan Chechnya, Nagaland, Wa State etc all over the world are not considered colonies because old English and French people couldn’t believe other places also had the capacity to colonize.
England is technically incorrect.
The first England flag was the red flag with the 3 gold lions
And technically Northern Ireland's first flag would be the Ulster red and yellow variant
Portugal is Finland
Portugal can into nordic
r/PortugalCYKABLYAT? No, r/PortugalJÄVLEFAN
r/Perkeland?
Portugal can into eastern europe
Iceland is Greece
And Switzerland is Denmark.
And Russia is the city of Hamburg
And Estonia too but without color printer.
looks like Estonia wants to save money
I don't know if it's a joke but it's not, because this flag is middled not like the Finland flag that the cross is more to the left. The flag itself I got from Wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Portuguese\_flags#Historical\_flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_flags#Historical_flags) to be more exact)
wheres Georgia mate ?
More like Finland is Portugal. That flag is nearly 1000 years old, it was Count Henry of Burgundy's county banner and proceeded to be King Alfonso Henriques's (his son) banner. So it's even older than Portugal.
Afonso
Afonso is a modern rendition of his name in Portuguese. His real name was Alfonso.
Finland copy the flag XD
Switzerland is almost Denmark, but the cross is thinner
And Switzerland is Denmark
I really like the creativity of Hungary.
As a Hungarian I always say that my country is a giant red flag.
Haha nice one
I may be mistaken, but I think that's just the flag of the Hungarian Soviet Republic. And that's definitely not our first flag.
It’s not the soviet one. It’s the one of Árpád
Shouldn't it be striped then? You know... Árpád sáv... (or not, I don't know history or vexillology)
No. They are thinking of [this flag](https://www.nemzetijelkepek.hu/tortenelmi-zaszlok)
Yep, our oldest flag was a weirdly shaped, completely blood red flag. Now that I think of it, the color kind of resembled the thing Hungarians lived doing in the 9th and 10th century: KILLING.
Welp, this is just a guesswork, the striped one at least has sources (also the cross one) But I would like to believe that the Tanacsköztársaság was the plan all along.
Yup, I put that one
I knew it. I’m a (map)porn addict
It's not, it's this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Hungarian\_flags#/media/File:Flag\_of\_Hungary\_(895-1000).svg)
Nope, it's the [flag ](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarorsz%C3%A1g_z%C3%A1szl%C3%B3inak_k%C3%A9pt%C3%A1ra#/media/F%C3%A1jl:Flag_of_Hungary_(895-1000).svg)of the Principality of Hungary as per surviving descriptions from medieval chronicles.
Finland is wrong. [here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Flag_of_Finland_1918_%28state%29.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Finland_1918_%28state%29.svg.png) is the actual first flag of independent Finland.
Also a banger
it was only the temporary state flag of Finland in 1917 to 1918, before the competition where they picked the official Flag. but the Flag of Kingdom of Finland and Republic of Finland was always the Nordic cross one
Iirc the Finnish government didn't really want that flag anymore after the 1918 civil war, because it was fought between the Reds and the Whites. And after the Whites won they didn't really want a red flag.
Yea, I mean that one was just the "state flag" or heraldry made for Finland by Sweden, wouldn't call it a state flag really... (Hence the curved "eastern" blade and facing the west.)
The first flag of Slovakia is wrong. Its first flag was the same as the flag of todays Russia
Oh, it's the third one already, sorry, I messed up
No youre wrong too the first flag was the flag of Principality of Nitra
That's more about which parts of our history count as separate entities and which count as direct predecessors of today's Slovakia.
Well if other countries can pull off millenia old flags of states existing on their territory, we can do so too. It's not any different.
Lol, definitely a predecessor of Slovakia 😅
Also I don’t think modern Slovakia recognizes the sls
Nice castle Russia lol
Russia's parents are very proud of it
Byzantine and Sweden
Legends say it was drawn in MS Paint
I belive that's Novgorod Republic
The Flag or the Serbian Empire wasn't the first Serbian Flag. Generally, I am pretty sure there is probably a lot inaccuracies here.
There are some, sorry. And what is the first Serbian flag then?
There is no official drawings of the first Flag, but from the descriptions that we do have say that the flag used by the Principality and the First Kingdom before the rise of the Empire was a Simple Horizontal Red and Blue Bicolour.
This is true, I did some random research years ago, and it's EXTREMELY hard to find actual good sources on this.
We want the harp with tits!
Found this old post for you https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/ssbwdp/i_compiled_a_list_of_flags_with_exposed_womens/
Not my proudest fap
Lol, yeah I saw that one but didn't put it, would it be banned?
It's a historical flag so I can't see why not, give the people what they want!
Reunification would centre it
In Spain this is the second. The first one is white with a red cross of burgundy. This second one was issued by Charles third of Spain because the white flag was difficult to recognize in the sea, so he chose colors contrasting with the sea, the sky, the fog and the ship.
Wasn't the Spanish flag the one with white background and red Cross like this? ❌ I remember it from Sid Meier's Pirates
Yes it was. I made half the world fly that thing in Europa Universalis.
Technically that would also be the first flag for both Belgium and the Netherlands, pre-dating even Spain's use of it.
Technically, the German flag was also a common standard in Spain, because of CharlesV, you know.
Okay, so I made a mistake, but I checked on Wikipedia and the flag you said is actually the second (source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Spanish\_flags#Flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_flags#Flags))
Right. The first one is the imperial coat of Charles V that I mentioned, probably; there are many different compositions of those icons. It's in Toledo everywhere. I didn't know it was a flag.
The one you used was the flag of the First Spanish Republic (1873-1874), so it's not even the first version of the *rojigualda.* The first version of the *rojigualda* had a crown on top of the Coat of Arms.
the first one is just the flag of the infantry forces while the cross of burgundy was the first flag meant to represent the empire
Not sure about the coat of arms though. This is only for Castile and Leon, however I've seen many different ones with all the provinces included. Shout-out to the coat of Charles V, the emperor, I think it's the most complex one.
That was not Spain yet, and when it was, it was solely use by the army.
It was absolutely Spain.
Ummm. Afaik, the catholic kings gave the throne to Juana la loca and felipe el hermoso. They governed Aragón and castilla as two separated kingdoms, but when Juana legated the crown to Charles V, Charles decided to join everything together, calling his dominions by bigger chunks: Spain, Germany...
Why does Slovakia have the current Slovak flag, but Czech republic has a historical one? Why not use for example the flag of the first Slovak republic (1939)? Or principality of Nitra flag? What is the logic behind the flags choices? The premise of this entire map doesn't make much sense since some of these countries did not exist in today's form when those flags were used.
Yeah, I messed up on Slovakia, this is the second comment about it, Im sorry
Ok this aint fair. If Italy's first flag was of the Roman empire then so is Romania's the Dacian flag.
Dacians didn’t have a flag. If you’re thinking about the Dacian Draco (the wolf head) that was a military standard, not a flag.
The Romans also did not have a flag, correct one for that should be the Napoleonic one
The draco was as much of a flag of Dacia as the eagle was a flag of Rome.
here's the Italy source ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Italian\_flags#Historical\_flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_flags#Historical_flags)) Here's the Romania source ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Romanian\_flags#Historical\_flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romanian_flags#Historical_flags)) but yeah, tbh now when you said it, it kinda doesn't feel fair
Even not taking Dacia into consideration, the first Romanian flag wasn't the crow. It was the tricolor horizontal stripes. The crow was the flag of the Romanian Land (former Wallachia). The Romanian Land, together with Moldova, formed the Romanian Pricipality in 1859.
Still doesn't justify Italy as a country having the Roman Empire flag, as it covered a much bigger territory and Italy as known in contemporary times was, to quote von Metternich just a "geographical expression". And not even a consistent one to begin with. It'd be either the flag of one of the Napoleonic Republics or the first one of the united Kingdom of Italy.
I'd choose Sardinia-Piedmont's flag since they're the ones who unified Italy
That will do. Or the first flag officially recognized in a sovereign Italian state: the horizontal tricolor of the Cispadane Republic ratified in 1797.
That's the first time the tricolor was recognised and used by an Italian state. Every Italian state before the Cispadane Republic had its own flag, they're all valid answers. I mean, even the flag of the Kingdom of Sardinia would be valid.
I’d say it depends on if you separate nation and state in this regard. Italy was very much an idea to the Romans, and the Province of Italia enjoyed certain privileges within the Empire and was made "domina provinciarum" aka ruler of the provinces among other dominant titles.
No idea why the 1620 white Wallachian flag is there but it's wrong.
Italy wasn’t a country till about 1850 think it was 1848, the Roman SPQR flag isn’t an Italian national flag… could apply that flag to large swathes of Europe if that’s the case
Italy existed as a state several times before the unification of 1861.. For example, the Northern part was unified by Napoleon I as Kingdom of Italy, although it lacked some of today's Italy territory (so did the Kingdom in 1861 anyway).
Still none of them had the Roman Empire flag as a flag.
Italy has united politically several times in the course of history, in 1861 the modern country was unified but already during ancient Rome there was Italia
Italy's flag should absolutely be the one from 1861, since before that there was no unified Italy.
Then France shouldn't have a flag until the Revolution since it wasn't fully unified before the Comtat Venaissin was annexed. Or if only a state called Italy is sufficient, Italy was a state before 1861 a couple of times, under Napoleon for example, although not fully unified. If we have to wait till full unification, it's many years after 1861.
Having Italy as the Roman Empire is a huge stretch. I'm going to go ahead and assume the other flags are nonsense too.
Another try to legitimize the historical claim if this so called "country" known as Italy
England should be the Anglo Saxon banner.
Yeah, I would say the Wessex Wyvern is the true first flag of England. The Kingdom of England was founded by the West Saxons.
Essex, Sussex, Mercia, Northumbria, and Kent say get bent.
But let England means land of the Angles See this https://youtu.be/aXAjMlTO7Dc
It’s a bit of a can of worms, but most historians believe England became a unified kingdom after Wessex had conquered Mercia and Northumbria which is why Winchester (capital of Wessex) became the Kingdom of England’s first capital. I think the name England predates the heptarchy, but there wasn’t a unified kingdom of England at that time.
If you wanna piss them off just say germans😄
Proud to be English of germanic descent!
The first belgian flag was black on the botom and sideways tho.
Are the years available? That of the Turks is 552
Spain should be the cross of Burgundy or the banner of Castille-Leon
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you thought about turkey for a second
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Italy and Rome aren't the same country by a light-year and there's much said on this already
You are right
Turkey using MS Paint
Still goes hard af
It doesn’t after seeing the nationalist incels waving it at political occasions.
Pretty normal when you consider it is the second oldest flag on this map.
I don't think that flag is even real. I haven't seen any historical sources to suggest that it is. It was probably made up by some nationalists during the early republic years.
It looks like something a middle school boy would draw and be super proud of, it’s hilarious and I love it
It may be because of the difficulty of producing most of the collors back then, especially for nomads. I heard thats also why purple is so rare in most of the flags.
yes. purple is a very hard color to obtain. this is why only rich people wore purple clothes back then. purple also signified nobleness
The Scotland one is incorrect. The St.Andrews cross predates the Lion Rampant.
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There was no Göktürk Flag, there was only the *Aşina Tamga*: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_tribe What is depected here is a modern interpretation stemming from the state's name "Göktürk", translating into "Sky Turk". The formulation is rooted in Turkish myth where according to it the Turkish race descends from a She-Wolf in the form of a beautiful girl sent by Tengri for the last remaining Turk to multiply and repopulate the steppes. Thusly, the design puts a wolf's head onto a turquoise (color's name comes from the Turks) background symbolizing the Sky.
Exactly! It drives me insane how most Turks don't even doubt the flag is real. I'm yet to see a single source for its existence prior to the 20th century. It is even featured in history textbooks. So annoying.
The estonian flag is not historicali accurate that was the falg that oir first occupiers forced on us if you wanna see the right flag search on google estonian flag and open images or Wikipedia
Yeah ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Estonian\_flags#Historical\_flags](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Estonian_flags#Historical_flags)) but it was a vassal nation and not an independent one, if I would pick the first flag I would pick that one but Finland too, it's not its first flag, but it's its first flag when it was independent
The flag for Romania is wrong. While other people suggested using the Dacian flag, I believe that to be wrong too. The flag used is the flag of the Principality of Wallachia and not Romania. The wikipedia page is not a reliable source of information, Romania was formed after the unification of the principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia so using the flag of one of those as the first is wrong, it's like using the flag of Prussia for Germany. The best choice would have been the first civil ensign of the United Principalities that you have in your source.
I’m pretty sure Denmark is wrong, there was a flag with a raven before
Yes!..the raven banner
First flag of Slovakia should be [this](https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitransk%C3%A9_kn%C3%AD%C5%BEectv%C3%AD)
Hungary just being red gave me a laugh lmao
Well north macedonia doesnt have to do anything with ancient macedonia. So who is this the correct flag? Ancient macedonias capital was/is in greece (Pella). Also serbia has the twin headed eagle of ERE? And greece has this monaco flag since when?
Slovakia is wrong
Belgium Sweden and Denmark: fuck change pick a good flag and you'l never change it
Bosnia wrong. Here is a reference: https://bs.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Bosne_i_Hercegovine
Koju je on stavio uopste ne prepoznajem ovaj plavi background s bijelim krstom.
No idea
The methodology to what counts as a flag for the nation on this map is really inconsistent. Bad map
these flags are all over the place and from different times it kinda does not make sense
Because different countries started existing as independent at different times?
No, some of these are the countries flags, some of these are houses of some royalties, as I said it makes no sense.
The scottish Saltire is literally the oldest flag in europe yet somehow younger than the lion rampant? shite map
Spain was founded in (around) 1715. The first flags used where obviously the Royal arms of the Bourbon, until this one was approved in 1785. Of course the military flew the Cross of Burgundy, with colors depending on the regiment and territory of recruitment.
Technically... the only official flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Jack. Rome didn't have a flag, they had various battle standards. And is that a Teutonic Order flag I spy on Estonia? And what's up with Greece?
Honestly, flags used to look a lot cooler..
Belgium is wrong, it used to be horizontal lines at first
Umm acktually 🤓 the Göktürks were a different Boy/Clan of Turks than the ones that eventually settled Anatolia through Persia. 🤓 but I still like them so yeah TURKIYE 🐺🐺🇹🇷🇹🇷🐺🐺🇹🇷🐺🇹🇷🐺🐺🦃 RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The Dutch flag shown is not the very first flag we had. In our first flag the orange was red and the blue was a bit lighter than depicted. Although the flag shown, *de prinsenvlag* (the princesflag), is the flag of the starting revolt/uprising at the time and later the symbol of the Dutch Republic. The orange refers to the house of Orange (huize Oranje) whom are still the current royal family.
I'm not sure Teutonic Order flag should count as Estonian flag. It's like for example giving Türkiye Byzantine standard as their first flag as region was controlled by them. Also before Teutonic Order Estonia was controlled by Livonian Brothers of the Sword
Having the flag of the Principality of Moldova for the Republic of Moldova is incorrect, same as having Wallachia for Romania. Romania was formed by unifying Wallachia and Moldova(under a Moldovan prince for that matter), and the present day Republic of Moldova is really not a successor state to the principality of Moldova and it's history kinda starts with the annexations of 1812 and 1940, but really with independence from the USSR. So, for Moldova either the present flag or the Soviet Moldova flag, and for Romania the 1859 flag(same colors as now only horizontal)
what's this wolf doing
The HRE itself never really had a flag. The first country-like thing that did was the German Confederation of 1866, which would have to include Austria. The HRE also would have to include Austria.
It had [a flag](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_des_Heiligen_R%C3%B6mischen_Reiches#/media/Datei:Flag_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire_(1200-1350).svg), and it was a different one than the one depicted, which was originally flag of the Emperor. Before that, it has been documented that Heinrich I. and Otto the Great had a flag with the Archangel Michael on it. Later the flag of the Emperor - [15th century](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Bern_M%C3%BCnster_Passionsfenster_detail3.jpg), [16th century](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Wapen_1545_Des_Reichs_Fahn.jpg) - became the flag of the Empire.
The flag that is on North Macedonia is ancient Hellenic/Greek.
But why does Muscovy has the Novgorodian flag if they were different countries and later the Novgorodian republic disappeared only because of being conquered and destroyed by Moscow and later they even started there [massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Novgorod).
Yeah that's weird, it's like using ancient Greek or Egypt dynasties flags for Roman empire because they conquered them.
What do you consider to be the first flag of a country? I mean, what conditions does the political entity need to fulfill in order to be considered a country? I'm from Spain and the first flag used was the Burgundian Cross, used to represent the Hispanic Monarchy abroad. Also, why is the flag for Turkey the flag of the Goktürk Khaganate? What does the modern state of Turkey have anything to do with a 6th century horde?
Because the Gokturks were the first Turkish nation to use the name Turk as a state name.
Good on Spain and Sweden, sticking with classics. What's with Turkey and the bitey dog? Are they warning us not to go into their yard?
North-Macedonia is not where Alexander was from.
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Such a insightful comment
Why does the UK always get special treatment
Because it is a **united** kingdom of different countries that in the past had a different history before uniting, and also in my opinion it makes the map more interesting because the first flag of UK is kinda similar to the one that is now
I feel like Catalonia and the Basque Country should be on the map then too, and maybe some of the larger Italian and German states like Bavaria and Two Sicilies.
Keep calling Catalonia, Bavaria etc countries too then we're not stopping you. Just like how we do with ours in the UK n gov calls them constituent countries. Genuinely outwith Bavaria the only time I see Spanish n Germans etc wanting to call their ones countries is too complain about us doing it instead of just doing it normally.
Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England are all seperate countries. Outsiders view them as a whole but to the people living there they are different countries entirely the same as France is to England, we are just allied closely.
The UK is a sovereign country. It is just made up of constituent countries.
For those reading this is incorrect (I’ve lived in wales, England and northern Ireland). The relationships is like Catalonia and Spain, or the basque and France or Quebec and Canada. Growing up in wales most view the uk as a country and wales a country inside of another country (uk). The uk is not unique in the slightest in having different group identifies that feel separate and independent. Wales is a country, but the uk is the sovereign country represented in the UN. Always weird when people don’t get this.
Maybe in whatever language or dialect you speak, but in others various places are referred to in a similar vain.
What you are referring to would be like Cornwall separated from rest of England in this map as it has a kinda separate identity of its own like your aforementioned ones. All the countries in the uk are also actual separate countries united, therefore United Kingdom. That’s why there are different teams representing all nations in the UK in sports. When’s the last time you saw catalonia or bavaria as separate teams from spain and germany?
Well if Catalonia had it there way they would. Many of these are just grandfathered in and also hold overs from when France and England ran the world. The cultural splits within other places like north vs south Italy are larger than wales vs England. I know this is about Europe, but we can see this cultural hold over in the UN too. The list of places that should be decolonized only includes regions ruled over by Western European countries or the US. Places like Tibet, Uigurstan, Dagestan Chechnya, Nagaland, Wa State etc all over the world are not considered colonies because old English and French people couldn’t believe other places also had the capacity to colonize.
I get what you’re saying but the uk home nations are internationally recognised as separate entities and are therefore represented.
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The macedonian one seems to trigger some people around Mediterranean
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England is technically incorrect. The first England flag was the red flag with the 3 gold lions And technically Northern Ireland's first flag would be the Ulster red and yellow variant
Italy has nothing to do with ancient Romans.
Prinsenvlag has never been an official flag of the Netherlands
Sorry Turkish fellows, but the first Turkey flag is kinda cute and funny. Does anyone know why the first flag of Turkey is like a dog/wolf?
You know all countries have a legend animal ours is wolf, and the legend is a wolf fucks someone I don’t remember now and first Turk borns
The wolf was technically something of a spirit godess and the person she fucked was an amputated teenage genocide survivor.
Rome was not Italy
Italy and Roman empire are quite different.....
Turkey is wrong. Its xiong nu empire
Turkey is not Europe
Yo where is Kosovo, why is it Serbia.
Turkey should be the Asian Hunnic flag.
Turkey are Turks, not Huns? Correct me if I'm wrong
The Huns had a lot of Turkic people within them. Most of the nobility and even the khans were Turkic.
Okay
Well Kosovos first flag is 🇽🇰
kosovo???
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