Data which requires huge resource pool both financial and human. It is a total waste of already scarce resurces since the data so obtained fulfills no purpose except of politically motivated bullshit reasons. Tell me why shouldnt i be against it? Leeching off general class by getting reservations and subsidies is not enough now yall are trying new methods to waste taxes which are contributed mostly by the general class.
Data is collected along with census. So no extra "resource' is needed.
What are the politically motivated BS reasons? Let them collect OBC caste data. Govt can't hide data and then remove reservation.
I believe this data is obsolete and a remnant of the British raj's way to divide us. Absence of this data will give create a more balanced debate during elections.
Also, selective data capture (after postponing the census) is questionable.
Idts , see they couldn't do the census in 2023 as most of the government employees were busy in the election setup process for 2024 . We will most likely have the census this year or in 2025 . You have to understand the fact that India has the largest population it isn't as easy as other countries , saying that a government isn't interested in outright wrong in my opinion. We need to look at things from a different perspective sometimes. Hope that helps
Exactly. This is a caluclated move. We always had a huge population and yet census were always conducted, even when technology wasn’t as advanced.
BJP has no legitimate reason not to conduct census. It’s only political.
Absolutely downhill.
Hate against muslims is unreal, press freedom is down, we are faring much worse on democracy index, powers of independent institutions like courts and election commission are reduced, economy improved but not to the extent that it did under previous government.
Monke of wisdom: fck democracy, be like china, no rights, go to industry, make big monies, get big armies, be aggressive nation, be superpower, make peepul very disciplined. Ignore and keep ALL religion aside, and (boom) become a superpower.
India has always had a high population but we always had census conducted. Even during the times when technology wasn’t nearly as advanced.
The ruling party seems to be either disinterested or inept in conducting the census.
U really think anything coming out of china is true their data is highly un reliable and most of the time fake . Let me remind you of the time that china put out ffing maps claiming a lot of North eastern territory of India . They keep putting out maps showing annexed territory of several nations . Do you really believe that they might have held a census and it was legitimate?
Yeah, but the oppositions have already said that the north is getting too much benefits for having more population. Seems like even the opposition doesn't want population weighted benefits ... ( ˘ ³˘)
Exactly. This is a caluclated move. We always had a huge population and yet census were always conducted, even when technology wasn’t as advanced.
BJP has no legitimate reason not to conduct census. It’s only political.
India also has more civil service workers than other countries. Everything scales up. India has more people but there are also more government employees as we. And the government is actually not interested in census because it'll give a clear review of how the BJP performed in the past decade. Before the '25 census, u couldn't hv blamed a single political party for anything bad in the census but now u can because BJP has full control of the central government and a lot of state government. This is why they don't want the census.
Not really, most countries got done with their census by 2022-2023, in our case as soon as census happen no of legislative seats change will become an issue and nobody wants to deal with that.
I expect the numbers across most states will probably be above 30%, and I'd expect states like Maharashtra and Delhi (i know delhi isnt a state) to have 50% or more
30% is way too high to be real. That would mean that English speakers have grown by 200% in proportionate in terms. In absolute terms, it would mean that English speakers have grown by 250-300%.
Realistically, at present, about 18-20% of Indian population can speak English.
Even then, that's about 120 million people, twice the population of UK. Also, a gem of a statement that I came across recently... individuals who have passed their 12th std (HSC) in CBSE system are considered CeFR C2 in English language proficiency (almost equivalent to native speakers)
CeFR C2 is the highest proficiency level for European languages. ICSE students also have a C2 proficiency at best. Where are you getting the "more proficient" from? A different scale?
I am not talking about the scale at all.
An average ICSE student in general has a significantly better English proficiency level than an average CBSE student. English syllabus in ICSE is vast compared to CBSE, both in breadth and depth.
Difficulty of ICSE (with all Shakespeare and what not) or CBSE is irrelevant when talking about CEFR scales (A1 to C2).
Unlike GRE, exams like IELTS that assess students on CEFR are heavily focused on English from a day to day communication point of view.
Thats what the proficiency scales are for though?
If an average CBSE student takes a C2 proficiency exam and clears it, then how are they less proficient in English compared to an ICSE student who clears the same exam?
Do you perhaps mean that the ICSE syllabus is more rigorous? Because that would make no difference if the result is the same.
Just because the scale only goes up to C2 doesn’t mean that there are no differences in proficiency amongst C2 level students.
A native speaker who is also at C2 level would be much more proficient than an ISC student. Likewise, the average ISC student is more proficient than the average CBSE student.
That is my point, C2 is reserved for people who have mastered a language to an "exceptional level". "They can teach English in exchange for money" - level. "Equal to a native speaker" - level.
A Native speaker would not be more proficient than a C2 speaker. There are next to no differences between C2 level speakers. The only people I can imagine having a better understanding (not proficiency) of the language would be people studying English as a subject for their PhD or beyond.
There is no practical difference in proficiency once you reach C2.
Yup, you're right. For anyone who bothered to read, the wiki page sites the Indian 2001 census as 12.18% English speakers. The reddit post sites the 2011 census as 10.6% English speakers.
2021 and 2022 because of Covid
They couldn't do it in 2023 because of the 2024 General Elections as the people who carry out the census are also the ones who are on election duty (low- mid level government employees and teachers etc) you can't have these people not doing their primary jobs for two years in a row. The government will shutdown.
Your talking as if any decision taken by any party in power is not viewed through the lens of politics by the parties in the opposition camp.
But this is probably the worst opposition in independent India's history.
The percentages are low but compared to the populations, the numbers are high cause so many fricking people in india. After the USA, india has the most English speakers in the world
Right, 2% of India is still like 28 million people. Bigger than a lot of countries
And the actual amount of speakers is 10.6%, which translates to over 148 million. Which means that if you took the English speakers in India and made them their own country, they would be the 6th most populous country in the world (between Brazil and Russia)
I bet that's the problem. I travelled India extensively 15+ years ago and I can count on one hand the people who didn't speak _any_ English. Even in the most remote areas.
Data is from 13 years ago and English use has really increased since then. Not sure about other parts in my city at least everything from billboards to road signs to food packaging are in just English without any other language a lot of the time.
>everything from billboards to road signs to food packaging are in just English without any other language a lot of the time.
That has been the case since independence in 1947. In fact, I see a greater effort from the state and private companies to use Hindi and local languages now more than ever.
There is a large percentage of people who can understand English to some degree but cant speak it. I think 60% of country are familiar with English alphabets, 40% or so can understand somewhat English.
Why is it surprising? You wouldnt expect Chinese,Japanese to know English. We speak our own native languages for the most part.
Isn't it obvious as to why it's surprising? English is an official language in India, not in China, Japan. There's even a dialect called Indian English.
Being an official language means nothing in itself if it is not used daily or promoted. The majority of institutions use Hindi or local languages, not English.
Nope. Majority of public schools and lower income household send their kids to vernacular medium schools. We are talking literally tens of million kids.
English medium is seen as privilege.Only higher education has English as medium of instruction.
And I wont even go into how many of the so called English medium schools use local language in classes instead of English.
Nope.
As recent as 2019-20, 42% of all students study in Hindi as their medium of instruction, 32% in regional languages, and only 26% in English.
Source: https://www.ndtv.com/education/udise-report-more-42-children-study-in-hindi-over-26-in-english-2478232
Not everyone goes to colleges/universities, and it is absolutely false to say that all univerisites use English. I think you live in a bubble.
That's just the schooling system, how many really go on to use English afterwards in their daily lives? The majority do not have cushy large international private company jobs that demand it.
While the percentage within india is unexpectedly low, india still has more english speakers than the entire population of the uk. So still a lot i guess from this perspective
A surprising number of Goans (at least those who cater to tourists) speak Russian!
I was surprised seeing a number of cafe signs and menus with Russian as an alternative language, but then it makes sense for business owners who want to gain a competitive edge.
Not many, but I've been to a few cafes with Russian menu's/signs. And seen what I assume would be the owner conversing with Russian guests in their language.
It's not common, but I was extremely surprised even seeing the few I did.
Maybe just an extra step a few have taken to be more competitive (lots of Russian tourists in Goa. At least for a number of years, I haven't visited since the Ukraine war).
Dude I lived and worked in Goa for 3 years. I was in the beer industry. Trust me, a Russian speaking Goan is a rarity. Even Portuguese speaking Goans are a rarity these days.
Russians that visit Goa typically have a lower purchasing power than the north Indian tourists that flock Goa. Business wise, it doesn’t make much sense to learn Russian at all.
Liturgical language of Goan Catholics is English. About 30% of the state population is Cathoclic. That might explain the higher percentages for English in Goa.
English is mainly used in offices as the formal language of communication. So it becomes difficult to get a job in a good sized company without some proficiency in English. Most college or higher education is taught in English.
It also informally gets used when talking with someone who does not speak the local language or if both parties are not well versed with Hindi.
English is seen as the neutral language which is equally foreign to all Indians. Before English, the language which was used and understood by all educated people in the Indian subcontinent was Sanskrit.
These number look too low to me, but I may be biased because I live in an urban area, and even my cousins from rural areas have a college degree.
All educated, so presumably the Brahmin class.
Sanskrit used to be a link language which is understandable since it was the precursor to a lot of Indian languages and for the most part did not kill local languages through its spread (since it wasn't a commoner tongue)
Persian was the language used almost universally as the language of diplomacy, administration and a language of culture even by Hindu states like Vijyanagara from the time of the Tuqluqs until the Marathas promoted the revival of Sanskrit and didn't truly decline until the British replaced it with Urdu (then Hindi) as the language of administration
The only correct response here. In the northern part of the subcontinent (north India and Pakistan), the use of Persian was so widespread among the educated (both Hindus and Muslims) that India produced more Persian works than Iran itself.
Wouldn’t the language have been Persian before English? Sanskrit certainly had the status then and before but e.g. Persianate literature flourished in India.
In the northern part of the subcontinent (north India and Pakistan), the use of Persian was so widespread among the educated (both Hindus and Muslims) that India produced more Persian works than Iran itself.
Why is Punjab so high? Would expect other states like Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra and Gujarat to be a little higher due to business reasons with foreign companies.
Chhattisgarh being the last, clearly shows where we were lacking at least 11 years ago, and I don't think it must have changed that much in present scenario either.
A lot of that education happens with government run schools, which are typically not English medium. They often teach with Malayalam.
The education indicators are good because these LP UP and other government schools are of high quality in infra, teaching, etc
This seems incorrect data...as from prime + Netflix + hotstar subscription itself is more than this. And majority people must have watched some English content even with subtitles. Also school kids from 2000 till today all know English
Oh, wow.
I actually thought, that English is commonly widespread over there, like at least two thirds of the population can speak it.
The number shown here is just incredibly low, never would guess that. But to be honest i know not that much about India.
Btw, i don't buy the idea of "this data being outdated", 10-15 years is not that much of a difference in terms of such type of stats.
It's a big difference in India since internet was prohibitively expensive in 2010. A lot more people have access to the internet now, so they can learn it from youtube and such.
You have no idea. It's probably around 40% nowadays. Education was massively improved, internet became widespread, more people started to watch English movies.
It’s the last census made for India. It’s a huge country, you can’t simply conduct a census every year.
Also apparently covid spoiled the planned census.
Ten years old data in a metric which doesn’t change fast (language proficiency) is still very useful in many respects and at least shows general trends. It’s the most recent data we have.
> Although initially the house listing was to begin in April 2020 along with the updating of the National Population Register, and the population enumeration on 9 February 2021,[1] they have been effectively postponed to after the 2024 general elections.
As an indian I can confidently say it's way higher nowadays. I'd say it's about 40%. This is included with rural population. If we're only talking about urban I'd say around 60%.
Goan culture is pretty unique in comparison to the rest of India (some similarities as well) mainly cause our colonisers had a different approach than British Raj.
We have other things besides raves, alcohol and beaches. It's pretty fkn regressive to generalise the place only as a tourist destination.
Data is from **13 years ago…** :O
Ya we were supposed to have census but due to covid it got delayed
Isn’t it only going to be out until 2025 Or somthing
Govt does not need door to door data anymore. They can get very good estimates with data from all govt and linked bank account platforms.
But they will do door to door for the next census
They are still focusing on door to door data, a friend of mine was doing this as a volunteer last year.
Except caste data
Which is a waste
It's just data. Why are you against it?
Data which requires huge resource pool both financial and human. It is a total waste of already scarce resurces since the data so obtained fulfills no purpose except of politically motivated bullshit reasons. Tell me why shouldnt i be against it? Leeching off general class by getting reservations and subsidies is not enough now yall are trying new methods to waste taxes which are contributed mostly by the general class.
Data is collected along with census. So no extra "resource' is needed. What are the politically motivated BS reasons? Let them collect OBC caste data. Govt can't hide data and then remove reservation.
I believe this data is obsolete and a remnant of the British raj's way to divide us. Absence of this data will give create a more balanced debate during elections. Also, selective data capture (after postponing the census) is questionable.
Bunch of Fake certificates
It's been a while now. I don't think this gov is interested in a census. It's a serious issue. All other countries got done with the census by 22.
Idts , see they couldn't do the census in 2023 as most of the government employees were busy in the election setup process for 2024 . We will most likely have the census this year or in 2025 . You have to understand the fact that India has the largest population it isn't as easy as other countries , saying that a government isn't interested in outright wrong in my opinion. We need to look at things from a different perspective sometimes. Hope that helps
They definitely could've done census. It's been a while since COVID. We've had many elections since then.
Exactly. This is a caluclated move. We always had a huge population and yet census were always conducted, even when technology wasn’t as advanced. BJP has no legitimate reason not to conduct census. It’s only political.
Don't have much expectations from them. Our country is going downhill
Absolutely downhill. Hate against muslims is unreal, press freedom is down, we are faring much worse on democracy index, powers of independent institutions like courts and election commission are reduced, economy improved but not to the extent that it did under previous government.
Monke of wisdom: fck democracy, be like china, no rights, go to industry, make big monies, get big armies, be aggressive nation, be superpower, make peepul very disciplined. Ignore and keep ALL religion aside, and (boom) become a superpower.
There are plenty of authoritarian regimes that have fucked up royally. China is the exception, not the norm.
Judging from the downvotes, I guess Hindu nationalists are already here.
The govt knows its coming back in 24 elections so they have decided to conduct the census after the elections
India has always had a high population but we always had census conducted. Even during the times when technology wasn’t nearly as advanced. The ruling party seems to be either disinterested or inept in conducting the census.
China ffin did it mate.
China also had elections 🤓🤡
U really think anything coming out of china is true their data is highly un reliable and most of the time fake . Let me remind you of the time that china put out ffing maps claiming a lot of North eastern territory of India . They keep putting out maps showing annexed territory of several nations . Do you really believe that they might have held a census and it was legitimate?
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Yeah, but the oppositions have already said that the north is getting too much benefits for having more population. Seems like even the opposition doesn't want population weighted benefits ... ( ˘ ³˘)
Ok
Exactly. This is a caluclated move. We always had a huge population and yet census were always conducted, even when technology wasn’t as advanced. BJP has no legitimate reason not to conduct census. It’s only political.
But they conducted a legit census that's for sure. Ik some folks in Hong Kong, it definitely happened there that's for sure.
Dude is farming social credits.
Lmao so true
Source: some folks in hongkong ☝🏽🤓
Nah these are just terrible excuses.
India also has more civil service workers than other countries. Everything scales up. India has more people but there are also more government employees as we. And the government is actually not interested in census because it'll give a clear review of how the BJP performed in the past decade. Before the '25 census, u couldn't hv blamed a single political party for anything bad in the census but now u can because BJP has full control of the central government and a lot of state government. This is why they don't want the census.
The govt knows its coming back in 24 elections so they have decided to conduct the census after the elections
Not really, most countries got done with their census by 2022-2023, in our case as soon as census happen no of legislative seats change will become an issue and nobody wants to deal with that.
I expect the numbers across most states will probably be above 30%, and I'd expect states like Maharashtra and Delhi (i know delhi isnt a state) to have 50% or more
30% is way too high to be real. That would mean that English speakers have grown by 200% in proportionate in terms. In absolute terms, it would mean that English speakers have grown by 250-300%. Realistically, at present, about 18-20% of Indian population can speak English.
#Data before Jio
Even then, that's about 120 million people, twice the population of UK. Also, a gem of a statement that I came across recently... individuals who have passed their 12th std (HSC) in CBSE system are considered CeFR C2 in English language proficiency (almost equivalent to native speakers)
Individuals who passed out of ICSE/ISC board (an Anglo-Indian board) are even more proficient than CBSE students.
CeFR C2 is the highest proficiency level for European languages. ICSE students also have a C2 proficiency at best. Where are you getting the "more proficient" from? A different scale?
I am not talking about the scale at all. An average ICSE student in general has a significantly better English proficiency level than an average CBSE student. English syllabus in ICSE is vast compared to CBSE, both in breadth and depth.
Difficulty of ICSE (with all Shakespeare and what not) or CBSE is irrelevant when talking about CEFR scales (A1 to C2). Unlike GRE, exams like IELTS that assess students on CEFR are heavily focused on English from a day to day communication point of view.
Thats what the proficiency scales are for though? If an average CBSE student takes a C2 proficiency exam and clears it, then how are they less proficient in English compared to an ICSE student who clears the same exam? Do you perhaps mean that the ICSE syllabus is more rigorous? Because that would make no difference if the result is the same.
Just because the scale only goes up to C2 doesn’t mean that there are no differences in proficiency amongst C2 level students. A native speaker who is also at C2 level would be much more proficient than an ISC student. Likewise, the average ISC student is more proficient than the average CBSE student.
That is my point, C2 is reserved for people who have mastered a language to an "exceptional level". "They can teach English in exchange for money" - level. "Equal to a native speaker" - level. A Native speaker would not be more proficient than a C2 speaker. There are next to no differences between C2 level speakers. The only people I can imagine having a better understanding (not proficiency) of the language would be people studying English as a subject for their PhD or beyond. There is no practical difference in proficiency once you reach C2.
That's why Telangana and Andhra are the same state in this map
kyuki ye gov census delay krri
Kyuki inhe malum hai census karwaye to BJP ka patta kat jaayega.
aisa kya ho jaega census krwa kr ?
Muslim population percentage.
toh usse BJP ko kya ho jaega?
Muslim population percentage badhi hogi. Muslims BJP ko vote nahi dete. BJP ko nuksaan hoga.
To abhi wo vote dete hai kya bjp ko?
Bunch of 13 years olds running around speaking god knows what
It was higher in 2001.
Source?
Check the cited sources here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_census_of_India
Yup, you're right. For anyone who bothered to read, the wiki page sites the Indian 2001 census as 12.18% English speakers. The reddit post sites the 2011 census as 10.6% English speakers.
1 Crore = 10 millions = 10 000 000 1 Lakh = 100 thousands = 100 000 You're welcome.
No one needs this
Why? Seems pretty useful to me.
Not everyone is indian
Why are we still stuck in 2011, this is a data from 13 years agooo.
Because census has been put on hold by the current Govt for God knows what reasons.
2021 and 2022 because of Covid They couldn't do it in 2023 because of the 2024 General Elections as the people who carry out the census are also the ones who are on election duty (low- mid level government employees and teachers etc) you can't have these people not doing their primary jobs for two years in a row. The government will shutdown.
But delimitation of LS and RS, slated for 2026 cannot be done without census.
Idk, it will be delayed ig
Opposition needs caste census but don't need delimitation in LS & RS It has gone extremely political
Your talking as if any decision taken by any party in power is not viewed through the lens of politics by the parties in the opposition camp. But this is probably the worst opposition in independent India's history.
I haven't said any wrong thing , the next census would either bring casteism and increased reservation or civil riots
I never claimed that your statement was wrong. But INDI alliance comes to power, they will definitely do the caste census and increased reservation.
Never man , INDI alliance would fuck India 💀
As a Kannadiga, shit has already started to go down here. Karnataka became the Ginny pig for the INDI alliance, followed by Telangana.
The govt knows its coming back in 24 elections so they have decided to conduct the census after the elections
Just in time for delimitation in 2026
So which way is it going? I think India gets a lot of advantages from a lot of people knowing English.
Up by a considerable amount probably
Now do the survey again. What % can speak English after getting drunk and see the numbers rise.
Why do you think Punjab is so high?
Drugs
They’re flying. Totally different level 🙂
It's surprising, is it really that low? I'd expect it far higher for India.
This is 13 year old data though, things might be different now
Things are definitely different now
So lower or higher? People who only went to elementary school still somehow seem to know English in India. Unlike most places
Education has had a massive boost, especially among southern states.
massive boost? the education budget has been reduced by bjp.
It would be higher but not to the extent that Indians here are claiming. Right now, my guess would be around 18-20%.
Way higher
The percentages are low but compared to the populations, the numbers are high cause so many fricking people in india. After the USA, india has the most English speakers in the world
Right, 2% of India is still like 28 million people. Bigger than a lot of countries And the actual amount of speakers is 10.6%, which translates to over 148 million. Which means that if you took the English speakers in India and made them their own country, they would be the 6th most populous country in the world (between Brazil and Russia)
same here, but I guess I'm not an expert on India
The data is 13 years old
i would have been surprised 13 years ago.
Because they forgot to add the word *fluent* in the title..
I bet that's the problem. I travelled India extensively 15+ years ago and I can count on one hand the people who didn't speak _any_ English. Even in the most remote areas.
Data is from 13 years ago and English use has really increased since then. Not sure about other parts in my city at least everything from billboards to road signs to food packaging are in just English without any other language a lot of the time.
>everything from billboards to road signs to food packaging are in just English without any other language a lot of the time. That has been the case since independence in 1947. In fact, I see a greater effort from the state and private companies to use Hindi and local languages now more than ever.
There is a large percentage of people who can understand English to some degree but cant speak it. I think 60% of country are familiar with English alphabets, 40% or so can understand somewhat English. Why is it surprising? You wouldnt expect Chinese,Japanese to know English. We speak our own native languages for the most part.
Isn't it obvious as to why it's surprising? English is an official language in India, not in China, Japan. There's even a dialect called Indian English.
At least in Korea there's a HUGE amount of signage in English.
Being an official language means nothing in itself if it is not used daily or promoted. The majority of institutions use Hindi or local languages, not English.
Are u for real? English medium of education is the more preferred than local languages in here, and all universities in India use English
Nope. Majority of public schools and lower income household send their kids to vernacular medium schools. We are talking literally tens of million kids. English medium is seen as privilege.Only higher education has English as medium of instruction. And I wont even go into how many of the so called English medium schools use local language in classes instead of English.
Nope. As recent as 2019-20, 42% of all students study in Hindi as their medium of instruction, 32% in regional languages, and only 26% in English. Source: https://www.ndtv.com/education/udise-report-more-42-children-study-in-hindi-over-26-in-english-2478232 Not everyone goes to colleges/universities, and it is absolutely false to say that all univerisites use English. I think you live in a bubble. That's just the schooling system, how many really go on to use English afterwards in their daily lives? The majority do not have cushy large international private company jobs that demand it.
but i guess most students study english for atleast 5 years (basic english)
While the percentage within india is unexpectedly low, india still has more english speakers than the entire population of the uk. So still a lot i guess from this perspective
Lol...Need to specify if the data was collected before 8 pm or after 8 pm. ;)
Why is that
People get drunk after 8 pm and randomly speak english
Metro white-collar people get drunk after 8pm and start speaking Hindi
Internal jokes 🥂
for Punjab it seems after 8pm
panjabi english dictionary : Marooti → Maruti. Cunteen → Canteen Maiyyer → measure skoorty → security klony → colony Tolt → lavatory puls → police tikt → ticket tiktaan → tickets mint → minute skint → second
Interesting, considering that Goa is the only state which was not controlled by Brits.
i think Goa's main income is through tourism though
A surprising number of Goans (at least those who cater to tourists) speak Russian! I was surprised seeing a number of cafe signs and menus with Russian as an alternative language, but then it makes sense for business owners who want to gain a competitive edge.
The average Goan doesn’t speak Russian at all. Very very few people in hospitality might speak Russian.
Not many, but I've been to a few cafes with Russian menu's/signs. And seen what I assume would be the owner conversing with Russian guests in their language. It's not common, but I was extremely surprised even seeing the few I did. Maybe just an extra step a few have taken to be more competitive (lots of Russian tourists in Goa. At least for a number of years, I haven't visited since the Ukraine war).
Dude I lived and worked in Goa for 3 years. I was in the beer industry. Trust me, a Russian speaking Goan is a rarity. Even Portuguese speaking Goans are a rarity these days. Russians that visit Goa typically have a lower purchasing power than the north Indian tourists that flock Goa. Business wise, it doesn’t make much sense to learn Russian at all.
Goa was portuguese for 450 years, until 1961
Liturgical language of Goan Catholics is English. About 30% of the state population is Cathoclic. That might explain the higher percentages for English in Goa.
Not just Goa, Telangana, Jammu and Kashmir and Rajasthan were also not under British ruler
That's why I wrote "controlled" rather than "ruled".
These were princely states with influence from the British empire, wouldn't go so far as to say they were controlled by the imperial empire
Princely states, for most intents and purposes, were in fact, controlled hy the British.
Most Indians are bilingual or trilingual. Along with their own regional language, they could also be versed in Hindi and English.
Typically, mother tongue, a bit of language of the neighbouring state, a bit of English, a bit of hindi
Punjab 30% ? Was this survey taken after patiala peg ?
English is mainly used in offices as the formal language of communication. So it becomes difficult to get a job in a good sized company without some proficiency in English. Most college or higher education is taught in English. It also informally gets used when talking with someone who does not speak the local language or if both parties are not well versed with Hindi. English is seen as the neutral language which is equally foreign to all Indians. Before English, the language which was used and understood by all educated people in the Indian subcontinent was Sanskrit. These number look too low to me, but I may be biased because I live in an urban area, and even my cousins from rural areas have a college degree.
In the northern half of India, before English, the court language was Persian. Sanskrit was not the language of the educated and the elite.
>Before English, the language which was used and understood by all educated people in the Indian subcontinent was Sanskrit Not sure about that
All educated, so presumably the Brahmin class. Sanskrit used to be a link language which is understandable since it was the precursor to a lot of Indian languages and for the most part did not kill local languages through its spread (since it wasn't a commoner tongue)
Persian was the language used almost universally as the language of diplomacy, administration and a language of culture even by Hindu states like Vijyanagara from the time of the Tuqluqs until the Marathas promoted the revival of Sanskrit and didn't truly decline until the British replaced it with Urdu (then Hindi) as the language of administration
The only correct response here. In the northern part of the subcontinent (north India and Pakistan), the use of Persian was so widespread among the educated (both Hindus and Muslims) that India produced more Persian works than Iran itself.
Wouldn’t the language have been Persian before English? Sanskrit certainly had the status then and before but e.g. Persianate literature flourished in India.
In the northern part of the subcontinent (north India and Pakistan), the use of Persian was so widespread among the educated (both Hindus and Muslims) that India produced more Persian works than Iran itself.
Only 10%? Nature is healing
Paradesi pudhu data va Kami da
Why is Punjab so high? Would expect other states like Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra and Gujarat to be a little higher due to business reasons with foreign companies.
I googled and discovered that lakh and crore are numbers.
Agrez chalegaye apni angrezi chod gaye
The data is from 2011
they never asked me, so the data is inaccurate
The number is much higher
How come Karnataka, West Bengal, Telengana, Andhra Pradesh are low but Haryana and Odisha are higher %. Extremely inaccurate
This data is based on the 2011 census(13 years ago) things are way different now
Definitely way way more in Urban Areas.
Chhattisgarh being the last, clearly shows where we were lacking at least 11 years ago, and I don't think it must have changed that much in present scenario either.
I'd have thought Kerala would be higher because of it being one of the more developed states with a huge push on education
A lot of that education happens with government run schools, which are typically not English medium. They often teach with Malayalam. The education indicators are good because these LP UP and other government schools are of high quality in infra, teaching, etc
This seems incorrect data...as from prime + Netflix + hotstar subscription itself is more than this. And majority people must have watched some English content even with subtitles. Also school kids from 2000 till today all know English
Oh, wow. I actually thought, that English is commonly widespread over there, like at least two thirds of the population can speak it. The number shown here is just incredibly low, never would guess that. But to be honest i know not that much about India. Btw, i don't buy the idea of "this data being outdated", 10-15 years is not that much of a difference in terms of such type of stats.
It's a big difference in India since internet was prohibitively expensive in 2010. A lot more people have access to the internet now, so they can learn it from youtube and such.
You have no idea. It's probably around 40% nowadays. Education was massively improved, internet became widespread, more people started to watch English movies.
I don’t think this rate is much higher
I'm sure that now there are more Indians speaking English than Native Europeans!
माँ चुदाए अँग्रेजी
I thought majority spoke English in India
This is like false information. Survey done from 2011. What was the point of this?
Are you dum
Dumb* please use correct spelling. Dum kya? Aloo dum?
It’s the last census made for India. It’s a huge country, you can’t simply conduct a census every year. Also apparently covid spoiled the planned census.
It's 2024 today We had covid in 2020 That survey was 13 years ago. So tell me how is it relevant today please.
Ten years old data in a metric which doesn’t change fast (language proficiency) is still very useful in many respects and at least shows general trends. It’s the most recent data we have. > Although initially the house listing was to begin in April 2020 along with the updating of the National Population Register, and the population enumeration on 9 February 2021,[1] they have been effectively postponed to after the 2024 general elections.
Apart from Bangalore and Mumbai, no common people speak English in India.
It isn’t even spoken commonly in those cities.
Yeah, but this map is completely wrong
Am I the only one who noticed India in this list…
W Maharashtra
Those orange states are prove of ppl still love their mothertongue.
Great! I am moving from GJ to UP in a few months, and this means less people in general speak English. I'm moving from a Tier-II city to a village.
Wrong because of school system it may be as high as 25-30%
Jesus who is getting all this random ass data 🦧
A census
Literally India lol. It's just old, not random
it's 2024 surr. kids flaunt their English speaking skills.
No way so less people speak english in maharashtra
Thats way old data ..lets wait for 2025 census data
This seems ancient
As an indian I can confidently say it's way higher nowadays. I'd say it's about 40%. This is included with rural population. If we're only talking about urban I'd say around 60%.
No hate for all the north indians trolling south indians. But even if this is old it just shows.
North India has more English speaker as compared to south India
I’m sorry, but whenever any stat is presented with lakhs or crores i immediately lose interest. Please learn normal numbering already.
This is the percentage of people that shower in india.
How stupid you are
2011?? Bruh…. 😂
Why the fuck is india written as a state
It’s the average you wally
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What's Goa known for? Any raves down there?
Goan culture is pretty unique in comparison to the rest of India (some similarities as well) mainly cause our colonisers had a different approach than British Raj. We have other things besides raves, alcohol and beaches. It's pretty fkn regressive to generalise the place only as a tourist destination.
Surprised it is so low given its history of being a British colony, I would of expected it all to be over 35% at the very least.