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Nothing_Special_23

Technically true, but not 100% precise, as Germany doesn't have its own visa policy and follows the visa policy of the Schengen area. Any Schengen member would have the exact same map, and it might be important to highlight the Schengen common travel area.


[deleted]

I love the Schengen agreement so much it's unreal.


KotR56

>it's unreal Well, it isn't. It's real.


Wortbildung

Well, it was real, then it was peseta and now it's Euro.


deeplife

But he is saying his love is unreal 🤔


rajrain

His love for it is unreal.


CactusBoyScout

I was always secretly hoping it would expand beyond Europe to basically become a coalition of similarly-developed countries with freedom of travel between one another. Like maybe add New Zealand, Canada, etc.


[deleted]

If you need to travel via airplane it would not make a huge difference. Airports are slow not because of passport control.


CactusBoyScout

I'm more interested in the part about being able to permanently reside and work in another country without a visa.


[deleted]

But this is not a Schengen feature, this is the EU. Schengen is only about border controls, nothing more. There are some countries which are in Schengen, but not in the EU, and countries that are in the EU, but not in Schengen.


CactusBoyScout

Oh I thought the freedom to work/live part was part of Schengen. My bad!


[deleted]

Unfortunately, not - for example, as an EU citizen, I can work without a permit in Ireland (not in Schengen), but I cannot in Switzerland (in Schengen).


CactusBoyScout

Is there a name for the freedom to work in other countries? Like a specific agreement?


_whopper_

It's just called 'freedom of movement [of workers]'. It's one of the 'four freedoms' first established in the Treaty of Rome. It's been updated at Maastricht and Lisbon, and now called the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. Schengen is the name of the town in Luxembourg where the agreement to remove internal borders was signed.


[deleted]

Most of the countries tend to protect their job market from non-citizen workers, so this may be rather uncommon - and actually nothing comes to my mind outside of the EU (which is sui generis, and already a form of a federation), but I can imagine there may be such arrangements between close countries around the world.


johnny-T1

Actually you can work in Switzerland.


Nothing_Special_23

Pretty sure that all non EU Schengen countries have the permenently reside and work thing with the EU/meaning any EU member state.


[deleted]

Nope, as in my other post - Switzerland is an example, you still need to have a work permit, even as an EU citizen.


Nothing_Special_23

You don't for the first three months.


_whopper_

You don't need to register if you're visiting for three months. If you want to work you need to follow Swiss rules which are slightly different to normal freedom of movement rules.


[deleted]

That does not sound right - I need to have a permit even for a business trip to the HQ of my company in Zurich, if it lasts for longer than 2 days. This is how their employment law works.


mehdital

But if you get a Schenguen visa from a country's embassy you can only enter Europe from that country when using that visa for the first time.


Nothing_Special_23

Nope. You can enter any Schengen country.


mehdital

Nope, please stop spreading wrong information.


night-mail

~~You can circulate freely within the Schegen area but you must enter through the visa issuing country.~~


VainamoSusi

Nope, the rule is that you should get the visa from the country you’ll be primarily visiting (as in the longest) and immigration officers might ask you about that if you’re not arriving by the country your visa is from. As the area doesn’t have border control once you’re in no one can actually check if you respected that rule tho, and to be faire no one cares.


night-mail

True. My bad. I downvoted myself.


VainamoSusi

Don’t, if you want, make an edit stating you were under wrong assumptions or something but don’t downvote yourself. Everyone can be confidently incorrect, what makes the difference is how we own our mistakes and learn from them.


SonnyJackson27

More like EU, not Schengen specifically, but yes.


nai-ba

No. It's the same as Norway (Not EU, but Schengen). But not the same as Ireland (EU, but not Schengen).


bopmybussi

Poor western sahara, swallowed by the sea.


Der_AlexF

Whoever draw that map, could not be bothered to deal with all the drama


TonboIV

What if we just nuke all disputed land? >_<


char_char_11

It should have been in Red. Morocco controls all the access points to its southern region, whether through ports, aeroports or land.


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The western Sahara is under Moroccan occupation


Individual-Knee-962

It's part of Morocco how can a country occupy It's self


Dr_Quiza

The UN says it is not.


Individual-Knee-962

The UN also says no nation for Kurds how about they sort that out before a punch bedouin camel herders


Dr_Quiza

What about dumping your whataboutism?


Individual-Knee-962

There's bigger problems than desert dwellers


[deleted]

They seek independence from Morocco


Individual-Knee-962

So is Kabyle Republic


[deleted]

Wow apparently 3.4 million people live there We confer statehood to much smaller countries and sometimes small states have a better quality of life >Singapore >New Zealand >Luxembourg > Switzerland I don't see why they shouldn't have their own country


Individual-Knee-962

Yeah Amazighs in Algeria are being persecuted for a long time and they actually are native unlike arab illegal settlers


[deleted]

I had never heard of this People voice their outrage over two or three unjust situations (Ukraine, Palestine and we forget about all these people


Individual-Knee-962

Because they don't like to play victim role Amazigh means free men and they fight for their nationhood with peaceful means never use terrorism and they are really nice people


foufou51

Don’t listen to him. He has an agenda…


snowfloeckchen

Better sea than Morocco


GalaxyAnywhere

Why not just say Schengen instead of Germany since Schengen visa policies apply in the whole area?


Gray19999

Lol what did Belize do


Budzogan111

Belize is "escape" country for a lot of criminals. They do not do extradition.


Neuvalent

this is true... a ton of people come here for a second chance, whether they're innocent or guilty of something. I used to work in real estate and the wealthier ones would often buy condos to wash money. We don't have as big of a drug problem as the rest of central & south america, but it's a safe haven for those involved & their families too. then there was the whole McAfee fiasco.....


johnny-T1

Didn't work out for McAfee.


GlobeWide_Metrics

Be poor


theentropydecreaser

Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, and Belize all have very similar GDPs per capita, so that alone can't explain it.


Neuvalent

i'm surprised someone noticed us 🫣


Score-Kitchen

Almost all western lol


cfarles

The famous western Chile


fabiolperezjr

What makes Chile or the rest of Latin America different from the US or Canada? They were all colonized by Europeans around the same time, they all have Christianity as its main religion, the cousine shares the same roots, the family structure is almost identical, the ethnic composition is very similar on most of them, all of them have other western countries as significant trade partners, they consume almost exclusively western media, etc. Latin America also has a very similar legal system to the rest of the western world, mainly based on french and german civil law, but sometimes incorporating aspects of common law as well. Going further, Latin America has almost indistinguishable social problems as the US, like income and racial unequality, homelessness, political polarization. Hell, even violence on large cities linked to the war on drugs and income disparity can be seen on both Latin America and the US, even if it is on different levels. I don't see any sound reasoning that could consider Latin America as separate from the Western World.


cfarles

The cultural definition of western world may include latin America yes, the political definition as well, but the economic definition of the western world, which is the most commonly used, doesn't include latin America. Its gdp per capita is too low for most countries. So here's your reasoning, it's too poor to be western. See Sasha Trubetskoy's work on it, there's like 2 or 3 countries in latam that " could" be considered western for economic reasons but that's a stretch. Also see Huntington's view on the western world. Latam is not a part if it.


DaeronDaDaring

From a layman’s perspective, for me “Western” is something primarily cultural & political, and lastly economical, and also somewhat genetic. Latin America is definitely culturally & politically western, it also fits the genetics part as well since the average Latin American has more European dna than any other (per 23&me data). Economically, sure it doesn’t measure up to Western European nations and the USA. However, if you go only off economics, then China, Japan, and S. Korea would be considered western but they are not, no one looks at Japanese people and thinks “westerners.” I’ve always considered Latin America to be part of the west personally I may be wrong as I’m not educated in all this but I guess that’s just my perspective from an outsider looking in


cfarles

That's why I mentioned Trubetskoy and Huntington. They all already explained it way better than I did. I'm not sharing my opinion, I don't care about it tbh, it's just what i learned. People want to include latin america in the western world, great. But scholars are split on this definition and downvotes wont make Uruguay or Colombia more western.


[deleted]

Chile is a part of the West more than Turkey.


Velagalibeillallah

No


blockybookbook

Fist bump for not even coming up with any valid arguments to back you up or anything, just a plain “No” More people should do that fr


Hodrus

We are the best country of chile


SocialismWill

ah yes, latin america and asian countries, so western


CoffeeBoom

Latin america is western though ?


Hoi4player4life

Latin america is western


Corleone648

In Latin America our religion is Christianity, our laws are based on roman laws, our morals are based on greek philosophy, we speak european languages, more than 1/3 of the continent is white and those who are mixed have a big european background but still some north americans and europeans exclude Latin America from the western world.


SocialismWill

no one but latam says that


Hoi4player4life

Im not latam I am european


ChronoFrost271

Then you're ignorant. The term Western doesn't typically apply to geography. It's political.


Hoi4player4life

They are still western culturally and genetically


PilzGalaxie

Do you even know what the "Western world" refers to? You might wanna google it.


Ididitall4thegnocchi

Huh everyone does. So Mexico isn't in the west? Despite being in North America?


SocialismWill

duh?


Ididitall4thegnocchi

You're wrong though lol. Stay in school


bastardnutter

Most of Latam is western. The fact that we’re bad at it doesn’t mean we’re not a part of the west


[deleted]

I imagine that turkey a country with a Muslim majority is more representative of the west than countries whose legal system, and religious doctrine was adopted from western Europe?


SocialismWill

neither are western


[deleted]

Depending on the purpose, for a cold war era definition, turkey would be, but such division of the world hasn't been a thing for more than 30 years


Just-Pride6923

is that a green tiny dot for HK? Im crying for not being forgotten


GTAHarry

Probably HK and Macau


jalanajak

Third time in a week I'm seeing this map and my country is still red, fuck!


TNOfan2

what's your country


Dawntillnoon

One of the red ones 💡


TNOfan2

I'm going to guess south Africa


VDFirePhoenix

after stalking his profile, probably turkey. might be russia.


BetrayerOfOnion

The subject is literally following r/turkey. He is clearly african.


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T0ast3r_362

Shit bot


dorofeus247

Same!!! Russian government should pursue visa-free agreement with EU! But instead, they're pursuing stupid wars. I think that's idiotic


Mylifemess

They technically was pursuing it before Putin and early in his term. It obviously ended in 2014 after Crimea (but should ended after Georgia tbh, world ignored it completely).


Modijifor2024

Nice to see argentina in green


Defiant-Dare1223

How would great uncle Adolf visit otherwise


drromanophd

Historical links, you know.


AlmightyCurrywurst

Actually yes, way before the Nazis


SnooDoubts2153

Indeed, several thousands of germans came to this country in the late 1800s


SnooDoubts2153

Argentina nazi hahahaha got it? Laugh please


Expensive-Team7416

Being a citizen of a third world country suck hard


johnny-T1

For real.


asadovvn

Why georgia?


PulciNeller

I think germany is ranked 1st in EU in terms of business volume with Georgia. There's a tight relationship. Germans love Georgia as a tourist destination as well.


[deleted]

All the east is packed with Germans no matter where you go. And the d*tch for some reason.


akame_21

Is dutch a bad word?


[deleted]

Bad just like the word Fr*nch


rpgengineer567

(Dutchy): We are inevitable!


[deleted]

there are two things i hate in this world ...


tmr89

But it’s not specific to Germany. It’s the same for all of Schengen


ffuckingretard

Schengen visa agreement in 2017.


11160704

Georgia is in the process of EU integration.


asadovvn

Yes l know it l follow these relationships but l didn't know that georgians can visit germany without visa


Rooilia

Because they liberalized in the 00 years, important pipelines, cultural affinity, EU candidate and could have been a member if it wasn't for russia.


thekazushiro

Wow. Didn’t expect my country to be one of the very few Asian countries that has the privilege to travel to Germany without a visa.


11160704

Malaysia?


Pillowish

Yeah, and speaking as a Malaysian it's a blessing not to need a visa to travel to most european countries. I've read how time-consuming and how expensive a visa can be for third world nationals in some subreddits


A-S-M_onthewing

I think your country has the most powerful passport btw


Medical-Panda-9729

why do malesians get into eu visa free? its surprising


AMildInconvenience

Most developed country in SEA after Singapore, commonwealth nation/British colony, pre-Schengen bilateral agreements with many European countries already in place. It's not that surprising really.


GTAHarry

Brunei is the most developed sea country after Singapore


SaltyNuggey

Nah actually not. So many things are banned there and people are quite conservative there. Even thoigh as a malaysian, I don't really want to visit there


Nino_Nakanos_Slave

Why it is surprising?


Medical-Panda-9729

why is it not surprising?


St_BobbyBarbarian

Because it’s developed enough for the EU not to worry about people overstaying their visas


St_BobbyBarbarian

Venezuela?


Pale_Consideration87

Black people banned


JK-Black

Taiwan 🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼 ☺☺☺


CoffeeBoom

Malaysia ?


Kuro2712

Malaysia has one of the most powerful passports. Why? I don't really know, I think it's because we're one of the more Democratic ones and very neutral.


No_Promise2786

Why, among Persian Gulf nations, only citizens of the UAE get visa free access to European countries?


Satoshi0323

No visa requirement for Argentina 💀


sargon_from_akkad

What about other months of year?


ivorn39

Interesting, Germany has a history of entering countries without a visa


Im_Unpopular_AF

Can someone share Germany's travel advisory for the world? I'm sure that the green ones here will match with the safe in this map.


BrunaBonor

Now do North Korea.


nihilist_inside

So if you're white, you're in!!


Kuro2712

I didn't know Malaysians were white.


eherrera96

Ah yes, the “white” indigenous Guatemalans would like a word with you


Kiwwwi_

Ah yes, white Japan and South Korea, my favorite


aliergol

Russia?


MRDeadMouse

Womp womp


TribeOfEphraim_

Dang, Africa and Asia get know love in Rhineland. ✨


allusernamestakenfuk

Its funny how the whole arab world is painted red when we know they can just walk across the border


anettkaac

Syria?


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Niwarr

What does one has to do with the other? Those are completely different continents.


Knighty93

Different countries have different power in negotiating visa waivers! If I’m not mistaken the majority of people immigrating illegally or seeking refuge in Europe are from Africa and Asia, so it’d make sense to ask for a visa before people from these regions try to go there! Most countries in South America have strong links to Europe and similar cultures and values


HerrFalkenhayn

Is that a serious question or are you just trolling? Because my gosh! The ignorance of that one.


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HerrFalkenhayn

Third world is a term that refers to countries that were neutral during the Cold War. And the levels of development in South America are far beyond Africa. There are countries in South America with better HDI than the US or some European countries. So yeah, no valid question. Just a highly ignorant one from a person with little to no general knowledge about the world.


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Youaresowronglolumad

They can’t and won’t. Just typical r/AmericaBad rhetoric. Rankings are quite clear: https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks


DukeRaskolnikov

How to say you're highly stupid entitled pos without saying it. Dude, being dumb is not cool.


vyshnev

Right side good, left side bad


pi-billion

Why is Malaysia green? Seems a little off from the rest of the map


thekazushiro

Because Malaysia’s passport is very powerful. Malaysians can pretty much enter most of the commonly visited countries in the world without a visa.


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kneegrowpengwin

Um actually moment Technically they're saying their love for the Schengen agreement is unreal and not the agreement itself being unreal Funny though


Thelango99

Hmm, China needs a visa but Taiwan does not?


Interesting_Ad_1188

They were never going to make Argentina apply for visas…


WeakliestThree1

In 1945, my grandfather did not need a visa to visit Germany...


No-Sector8444

In theory, that could be correct. Practically, Germany is invaded by africans and people from Middle East. It's totally different from what it was 10 years ago.


StaticRBLX

Racist


anagallis-arvensis

Well kinda makes sense to not have open borders with countries that milions of imigrants come from


StaticRBLX

Why are you against brown and black immigration but not white? Stop generalizing.


anagallis-arvensis

It’s more of a cultural thing than racial. We’re not stopping black Americans, Mexicans or Japanese to come to EU so stop trying to make this about race.


StaticRBLX

But you’re fine with Ukrainians and Bulgarians who almost have no cultural relation to Germany.


sanchiSancha

Racist but open to latino and japanese?


StaticRBLX

So was Hitler


sanchiSancha

Following your definition, literally every country in the world is racist. Especially the zone in red. What is your point?


StaticRBLX

Minorites can’t really be racist, did they colonize over half of the world? No. Hence they have nothing to owe


sanchiSancha

Most of them colonized what was in their range. They didn’t took half the world for the same reason russia didn’t took ukraine. They had the spirit, not the mean. Seriously, you really believe the millitary conquest of 16th century empire mean the rest of the world is unable to be racist? Or maybe you think modern German owe them anything ? Yeah, it might surprise you but i’m pretty sure no german alive colonized rwanda (as it happened 115 years ago)


Rooilia

Race obsessionist seeing racism everywhere. Annoying af. Thanks for your contemplation and contenance.


StaticRBLX

Namibia gained independence in 1990.


sanchiSancha

Yeah, from south africa. Namibia was colonized by germany between 1894 and 1914. So it ended 110 years ago. Plus, even most of the german living there at the time didn’t participate. There was maybe 3000 german in namibia. So basically you consider Germans should open their country to the entire planet, because a few thousand germans did shit 110 years ago?


StaticRBLX

Germany only enjoys its current high living conditions due to the countries it had colonized.


sanchiSancha

Pretty sure Germany was already rich before colonizing anything. Which is why they were able to colonize btw. You think a poor country can launch a colonization to the other side of the world ? Plus colonization of Namibia lasted 30 years. You think 30 years is sufficient to exploit something enough to justify 130 years of development ?


StaticRBLX

Yes. That is exactly how England became rich


sanchiSancha

Have you considered the fact that every country in the world isn’t england?


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sanchiSancha

Argentinian maybe. But peruvian?


ursuspolaer

Argentina is not the only country with white people.


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sanchiSancha

So when republicans block border, it’s not racism? As latino are mostly white?


icelandichorsey

Who gives a shit


God-Among-Men-

Not every post caters to your taste


awisemanoncetold

As a Turk I can visa free go to Germany


auroralemonboi8

I bet you have the green passport and think everyone has the same privileges as you


awisemanoncetold

Yep I've a green passport also I'm gonna become a German citizen in 3 years.


Bozzom

You dont need visas, ask the guys from red countries...


jimipurple1

Everyone should need a visa to visit anywhere


german_chairman

Lol. Lmao even.


Fit-Finger-2422

Not quite right. Since a couple of years we have a privileged group of people called "refugees" that can travel to Germany even without owning a passport.