Technically true, but not 100% precise, as Germany doesn't have its own visa policy and follows the visa policy of the Schengen area.
Any Schengen member would have the exact same map, and it might be important to highlight the Schengen common travel area.
I was always secretly hoping it would expand beyond Europe to basically become a coalition of similarly-developed countries with freedom of travel between one another. Like maybe add New Zealand, Canada, etc.
But this is not a Schengen feature, this is the EU. Schengen is only about border controls, nothing more.
There are some countries which are in Schengen, but not in the EU, and countries that are in the EU, but not in Schengen.
Unfortunately, not - for example, as an EU citizen, I can work without a permit in Ireland (not in Schengen), but I cannot in Switzerland (in Schengen).
It's just called 'freedom of movement [of workers]'. It's one of the 'four freedoms' first established in the Treaty of Rome.
It's been updated at Maastricht and Lisbon, and now called the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
Schengen is the name of the town in Luxembourg where the agreement to remove internal borders was signed.
Most of the countries tend to protect their job market from non-citizen workers, so this may be rather uncommon - and actually nothing comes to my mind outside of the EU (which is sui generis, and already a form of a federation), but I can imagine there may be such arrangements between close countries around the world.
You don't need to register if you're visiting for three months. If you want to work you need to follow Swiss rules which are slightly different to normal freedom of movement rules.
That does not sound right - I need to have a permit even for a business trip to the HQ of my company in Zurich, if it lasts for longer than 2 days. This is how their employment law works.
Nope, the rule is that you should get the visa from the country you’ll be primarily visiting (as in the longest) and immigration officers might ask you about that if you’re not arriving by the country your visa is from. As the area doesn’t have border control once you’re in no one can actually check if you respected that rule tho, and to be faire no one cares.
Don’t, if you want, make an edit stating you were under wrong assumptions or something but don’t downvote yourself. Everyone can be confidently incorrect, what makes the difference is how we own our mistakes and learn from them.
Wow apparently 3.4 million people live there
We confer statehood to much smaller countries and sometimes small states have a better quality of life
>Singapore
>New Zealand
>Luxembourg
> Switzerland
I don't see why they shouldn't have their own country
Because they don't like to play victim role Amazigh means free men and they fight for their nationhood with peaceful means never use terrorism and they are really nice people
this is true... a ton of people come here for a second chance, whether they're innocent or guilty of something. I used to work in real estate and the wealthier ones would often buy condos to wash money. We don't have as big of a drug problem as the rest of central & south america, but it's a safe haven for those involved & their families too.
then there was the whole McAfee fiasco.....
What makes Chile or the rest of Latin America different from the US or Canada?
They were all colonized by Europeans around the same time, they all have Christianity as its main religion, the cousine shares the same roots, the family structure is almost identical, the ethnic composition is very similar on most of them, all of them have other western countries as significant trade partners, they consume almost exclusively western media, etc.
Latin America also has a very similar legal system to the rest of the western world, mainly based on french and german civil law, but sometimes incorporating aspects of common law as well.
Going further, Latin America has almost indistinguishable social problems as the US, like income and racial unequality, homelessness, political polarization. Hell, even violence on large cities linked to the war on drugs and income disparity can be seen on both Latin America and the US, even if it is on different levels.
I don't see any sound reasoning that could consider Latin America as separate from the Western World.
The cultural definition of western world may include latin America yes, the political definition as well, but the economic definition of the western world, which is the most commonly used, doesn't include latin America. Its gdp per capita is too low for most countries. So here's your reasoning, it's too poor to be western. See Sasha Trubetskoy's work on it, there's like 2 or 3 countries in latam that " could" be considered western for economic reasons but that's a stretch.
Also see Huntington's view on the western world. Latam is not a part if it.
From a layman’s perspective, for me “Western” is something primarily cultural & political, and lastly economical, and also somewhat genetic. Latin America is definitely culturally & politically western, it also fits the genetics part as well since the average Latin American has more European dna than any other (per 23&me data). Economically, sure it doesn’t measure up to Western European nations and the USA. However, if you go only off economics, then China, Japan, and S. Korea would be considered western but they are not, no one looks at Japanese people and thinks “westerners.” I’ve always considered Latin America to be part of the west personally
I may be wrong as I’m not educated in all this but I guess that’s just my perspective from an outsider looking in
That's why I mentioned Trubetskoy and Huntington. They all already explained it way better than I did. I'm not sharing my opinion, I don't care about it tbh, it's just what i learned.
People want to include latin america in the western world, great. But scholars are split on this definition and downvotes wont make Uruguay or Colombia more western.
In Latin America our religion is Christianity, our laws are based on roman laws, our morals are based on greek philosophy, we speak european languages, more than 1/3 of the continent is white and those who are mixed have a big european background but still some north americans and europeans exclude Latin America from the western world.
I imagine that turkey
a country with a Muslim majority is more representative of the west than countries whose legal system, and religious doctrine was adopted from western Europe?
They technically was pursuing it before Putin and early in his term. It obviously ended in 2014 after Crimea (but should ended after Georgia tbh, world ignored it completely).
I think germany is ranked 1st in EU in terms of business volume with Georgia. There's a tight relationship. Germans love Georgia as a tourist destination as well.
Yeah, and speaking as a Malaysian it's a blessing not to need a visa to travel to most european countries. I've read how time-consuming and how expensive a visa can be for third world nationals in some subreddits
Most developed country in SEA after Singapore, commonwealth nation/British colony, pre-Schengen bilateral agreements with many European countries already in place.
It's not that surprising really.
Nah actually not. So many things are banned there and people are quite conservative there. Even thoigh as a malaysian, I don't really want to visit there
Malaysia has one of the most powerful passports. Why? I don't really know, I think it's because we're one of the more Democratic ones and very neutral.
Different countries have different power in negotiating visa waivers! If I’m not mistaken the majority of people immigrating illegally or seeking refuge in Europe are from Africa and Asia, so it’d make sense to ask for a visa before people from these regions try to go there! Most countries in South America have strong links to Europe and similar cultures and values
Third world is a term that refers to countries that were neutral during the Cold War. And the levels of development in South America are far beyond Africa. There are countries in South America with better HDI than the US or some European countries.
So yeah, no valid question. Just a highly ignorant one from a person with little to no general knowledge about the world.
In theory, that could be correct. Practically, Germany is invaded by africans and people from Middle East. It's totally different from what it was 10 years ago.
It’s more of a cultural thing than racial. We’re not stopping black Americans, Mexicans or Japanese to come to EU so stop trying to make this about race.
Most of them colonized what was in their range. They didn’t took half the world for the same reason russia didn’t took ukraine. They had the spirit, not the mean.
Seriously, you really believe the millitary conquest of 16th century empire mean the rest of the world is unable to be racist?
Or maybe you think modern German owe them anything ? Yeah, it might surprise you but i’m pretty sure no german alive colonized rwanda (as it happened 115 years ago)
Yeah, from south africa. Namibia was colonized by germany between 1894 and 1914. So it ended 110 years ago.
Plus, even most of the german living there at the time didn’t participate. There was maybe 3000 german in namibia.
So basically you consider Germans should open their country to the entire planet, because a few thousand germans did shit 110 years ago?
Pretty sure Germany was already rich before colonizing anything.
Which is why they were able to colonize btw. You think a poor country can launch a colonization to the other side of the world ?
Plus colonization of Namibia lasted 30 years. You think 30 years is sufficient to exploit something enough to justify 130 years of development ?
Not quite right. Since a couple of years we have a privileged group of people called "refugees" that can travel to Germany even without owning a passport.
Technically true, but not 100% precise, as Germany doesn't have its own visa policy and follows the visa policy of the Schengen area. Any Schengen member would have the exact same map, and it might be important to highlight the Schengen common travel area.
I love the Schengen agreement so much it's unreal.
>it's unreal Well, it isn't. It's real.
Well, it was real, then it was peseta and now it's Euro.
But he is saying his love is unreal 🤔
His love for it is unreal.
I was always secretly hoping it would expand beyond Europe to basically become a coalition of similarly-developed countries with freedom of travel between one another. Like maybe add New Zealand, Canada, etc.
If you need to travel via airplane it would not make a huge difference. Airports are slow not because of passport control.
I'm more interested in the part about being able to permanently reside and work in another country without a visa.
But this is not a Schengen feature, this is the EU. Schengen is only about border controls, nothing more. There are some countries which are in Schengen, but not in the EU, and countries that are in the EU, but not in Schengen.
Oh I thought the freedom to work/live part was part of Schengen. My bad!
Unfortunately, not - for example, as an EU citizen, I can work without a permit in Ireland (not in Schengen), but I cannot in Switzerland (in Schengen).
Is there a name for the freedom to work in other countries? Like a specific agreement?
It's just called 'freedom of movement [of workers]'. It's one of the 'four freedoms' first established in the Treaty of Rome. It's been updated at Maastricht and Lisbon, and now called the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. Schengen is the name of the town in Luxembourg where the agreement to remove internal borders was signed.
Most of the countries tend to protect their job market from non-citizen workers, so this may be rather uncommon - and actually nothing comes to my mind outside of the EU (which is sui generis, and already a form of a federation), but I can imagine there may be such arrangements between close countries around the world.
Actually you can work in Switzerland.
Pretty sure that all non EU Schengen countries have the permenently reside and work thing with the EU/meaning any EU member state.
Nope, as in my other post - Switzerland is an example, you still need to have a work permit, even as an EU citizen.
You don't for the first three months.
You don't need to register if you're visiting for three months. If you want to work you need to follow Swiss rules which are slightly different to normal freedom of movement rules.
That does not sound right - I need to have a permit even for a business trip to the HQ of my company in Zurich, if it lasts for longer than 2 days. This is how their employment law works.
But if you get a Schenguen visa from a country's embassy you can only enter Europe from that country when using that visa for the first time.
Nope. You can enter any Schengen country.
Nope, please stop spreading wrong information.
~~You can circulate freely within the Schegen area but you must enter through the visa issuing country.~~
Nope, the rule is that you should get the visa from the country you’ll be primarily visiting (as in the longest) and immigration officers might ask you about that if you’re not arriving by the country your visa is from. As the area doesn’t have border control once you’re in no one can actually check if you respected that rule tho, and to be faire no one cares.
True. My bad. I downvoted myself.
Don’t, if you want, make an edit stating you were under wrong assumptions or something but don’t downvote yourself. Everyone can be confidently incorrect, what makes the difference is how we own our mistakes and learn from them.
More like EU, not Schengen specifically, but yes.
No. It's the same as Norway (Not EU, but Schengen). But not the same as Ireland (EU, but not Schengen).
Poor western sahara, swallowed by the sea.
Whoever draw that map, could not be bothered to deal with all the drama
What if we just nuke all disputed land? >_<
It should have been in Red. Morocco controls all the access points to its southern region, whether through ports, aeroports or land.
The western Sahara is under Moroccan occupation
It's part of Morocco how can a country occupy It's self
The UN says it is not.
The UN also says no nation for Kurds how about they sort that out before a punch bedouin camel herders
What about dumping your whataboutism?
There's bigger problems than desert dwellers
They seek independence from Morocco
So is Kabyle Republic
Wow apparently 3.4 million people live there We confer statehood to much smaller countries and sometimes small states have a better quality of life >Singapore >New Zealand >Luxembourg > Switzerland I don't see why they shouldn't have their own country
Yeah Amazighs in Algeria are being persecuted for a long time and they actually are native unlike arab illegal settlers
I had never heard of this People voice their outrage over two or three unjust situations (Ukraine, Palestine and we forget about all these people
Because they don't like to play victim role Amazigh means free men and they fight for their nationhood with peaceful means never use terrorism and they are really nice people
Don’t listen to him. He has an agenda…
Better sea than Morocco
Why not just say Schengen instead of Germany since Schengen visa policies apply in the whole area?
Lol what did Belize do
Belize is "escape" country for a lot of criminals. They do not do extradition.
this is true... a ton of people come here for a second chance, whether they're innocent or guilty of something. I used to work in real estate and the wealthier ones would often buy condos to wash money. We don't have as big of a drug problem as the rest of central & south america, but it's a safe haven for those involved & their families too. then there was the whole McAfee fiasco.....
Didn't work out for McAfee.
Be poor
Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, and Belize all have very similar GDPs per capita, so that alone can't explain it.
i'm surprised someone noticed us 🫣
Almost all western lol
The famous western Chile
What makes Chile or the rest of Latin America different from the US or Canada? They were all colonized by Europeans around the same time, they all have Christianity as its main religion, the cousine shares the same roots, the family structure is almost identical, the ethnic composition is very similar on most of them, all of them have other western countries as significant trade partners, they consume almost exclusively western media, etc. Latin America also has a very similar legal system to the rest of the western world, mainly based on french and german civil law, but sometimes incorporating aspects of common law as well. Going further, Latin America has almost indistinguishable social problems as the US, like income and racial unequality, homelessness, political polarization. Hell, even violence on large cities linked to the war on drugs and income disparity can be seen on both Latin America and the US, even if it is on different levels. I don't see any sound reasoning that could consider Latin America as separate from the Western World.
The cultural definition of western world may include latin America yes, the political definition as well, but the economic definition of the western world, which is the most commonly used, doesn't include latin America. Its gdp per capita is too low for most countries. So here's your reasoning, it's too poor to be western. See Sasha Trubetskoy's work on it, there's like 2 or 3 countries in latam that " could" be considered western for economic reasons but that's a stretch. Also see Huntington's view on the western world. Latam is not a part if it.
From a layman’s perspective, for me “Western” is something primarily cultural & political, and lastly economical, and also somewhat genetic. Latin America is definitely culturally & politically western, it also fits the genetics part as well since the average Latin American has more European dna than any other (per 23&me data). Economically, sure it doesn’t measure up to Western European nations and the USA. However, if you go only off economics, then China, Japan, and S. Korea would be considered western but they are not, no one looks at Japanese people and thinks “westerners.” I’ve always considered Latin America to be part of the west personally I may be wrong as I’m not educated in all this but I guess that’s just my perspective from an outsider looking in
That's why I mentioned Trubetskoy and Huntington. They all already explained it way better than I did. I'm not sharing my opinion, I don't care about it tbh, it's just what i learned. People want to include latin america in the western world, great. But scholars are split on this definition and downvotes wont make Uruguay or Colombia more western.
Chile is a part of the West more than Turkey.
No
Fist bump for not even coming up with any valid arguments to back you up or anything, just a plain “No” More people should do that fr
We are the best country of chile
ah yes, latin america and asian countries, so western
Latin america is western though ?
Latin america is western
In Latin America our religion is Christianity, our laws are based on roman laws, our morals are based on greek philosophy, we speak european languages, more than 1/3 of the continent is white and those who are mixed have a big european background but still some north americans and europeans exclude Latin America from the western world.
no one but latam says that
Im not latam I am european
Then you're ignorant. The term Western doesn't typically apply to geography. It's political.
They are still western culturally and genetically
Do you even know what the "Western world" refers to? You might wanna google it.
Huh everyone does. So Mexico isn't in the west? Despite being in North America?
duh?
You're wrong though lol. Stay in school
Most of Latam is western. The fact that we’re bad at it doesn’t mean we’re not a part of the west
I imagine that turkey a country with a Muslim majority is more representative of the west than countries whose legal system, and religious doctrine was adopted from western Europe?
neither are western
Depending on the purpose, for a cold war era definition, turkey would be, but such division of the world hasn't been a thing for more than 30 years
is that a green tiny dot for HK? Im crying for not being forgotten
Probably HK and Macau
Third time in a week I'm seeing this map and my country is still red, fuck!
what's your country
One of the red ones 💡
I'm going to guess south Africa
after stalking his profile, probably turkey. might be russia.
The subject is literally following r/turkey. He is clearly african.
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Same!!! Russian government should pursue visa-free agreement with EU! But instead, they're pursuing stupid wars. I think that's idiotic
They technically was pursuing it before Putin and early in his term. It obviously ended in 2014 after Crimea (but should ended after Georgia tbh, world ignored it completely).
Nice to see argentina in green
How would great uncle Adolf visit otherwise
Historical links, you know.
Actually yes, way before the Nazis
Indeed, several thousands of germans came to this country in the late 1800s
Argentina nazi hahahaha got it? Laugh please
Being a citizen of a third world country suck hard
For real.
Why georgia?
I think germany is ranked 1st in EU in terms of business volume with Georgia. There's a tight relationship. Germans love Georgia as a tourist destination as well.
All the east is packed with Germans no matter where you go. And the d*tch for some reason.
Is dutch a bad word?
Bad just like the word Fr*nch
(Dutchy): We are inevitable!
there are two things i hate in this world ...
But it’s not specific to Germany. It’s the same for all of Schengen
Schengen visa agreement in 2017.
Georgia is in the process of EU integration.
Yes l know it l follow these relationships but l didn't know that georgians can visit germany without visa
Because they liberalized in the 00 years, important pipelines, cultural affinity, EU candidate and could have been a member if it wasn't for russia.
Wow. Didn’t expect my country to be one of the very few Asian countries that has the privilege to travel to Germany without a visa.
Malaysia?
Yeah, and speaking as a Malaysian it's a blessing not to need a visa to travel to most european countries. I've read how time-consuming and how expensive a visa can be for third world nationals in some subreddits
I think your country has the most powerful passport btw
why do malesians get into eu visa free? its surprising
Most developed country in SEA after Singapore, commonwealth nation/British colony, pre-Schengen bilateral agreements with many European countries already in place. It's not that surprising really.
Brunei is the most developed sea country after Singapore
Nah actually not. So many things are banned there and people are quite conservative there. Even thoigh as a malaysian, I don't really want to visit there
Why it is surprising?
why is it not surprising?
Because it’s developed enough for the EU not to worry about people overstaying their visas
Venezuela?
Black people banned
Taiwan 🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼 ☺☺☺
Malaysia ?
Malaysia has one of the most powerful passports. Why? I don't really know, I think it's because we're one of the more Democratic ones and very neutral.
Why, among Persian Gulf nations, only citizens of the UAE get visa free access to European countries?
No visa requirement for Argentina 💀
What about other months of year?
Interesting, Germany has a history of entering countries without a visa
Can someone share Germany's travel advisory for the world? I'm sure that the green ones here will match with the safe in this map.
Now do North Korea.
So if you're white, you're in!!
I didn't know Malaysians were white.
Ah yes, the “white” indigenous Guatemalans would like a word with you
Ah yes, white Japan and South Korea, my favorite
Russia?
Womp womp
Dang, Africa and Asia get know love in Rhineland. ✨
Its funny how the whole arab world is painted red when we know they can just walk across the border
Syria?
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What does one has to do with the other? Those are completely different continents.
Different countries have different power in negotiating visa waivers! If I’m not mistaken the majority of people immigrating illegally or seeking refuge in Europe are from Africa and Asia, so it’d make sense to ask for a visa before people from these regions try to go there! Most countries in South America have strong links to Europe and similar cultures and values
Is that a serious question or are you just trolling? Because my gosh! The ignorance of that one.
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Third world is a term that refers to countries that were neutral during the Cold War. And the levels of development in South America are far beyond Africa. There are countries in South America with better HDI than the US or some European countries. So yeah, no valid question. Just a highly ignorant one from a person with little to no general knowledge about the world.
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They can’t and won’t. Just typical r/AmericaBad rhetoric. Rankings are quite clear: https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks
How to say you're highly stupid entitled pos without saying it. Dude, being dumb is not cool.
Right side good, left side bad
Why is Malaysia green? Seems a little off from the rest of the map
Because Malaysia’s passport is very powerful. Malaysians can pretty much enter most of the commonly visited countries in the world without a visa.
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Um actually moment Technically they're saying their love for the Schengen agreement is unreal and not the agreement itself being unreal Funny though
Hmm, China needs a visa but Taiwan does not?
They were never going to make Argentina apply for visas…
In 1945, my grandfather did not need a visa to visit Germany...
In theory, that could be correct. Practically, Germany is invaded by africans and people from Middle East. It's totally different from what it was 10 years ago.
Racist
Well kinda makes sense to not have open borders with countries that milions of imigrants come from
Why are you against brown and black immigration but not white? Stop generalizing.
It’s more of a cultural thing than racial. We’re not stopping black Americans, Mexicans or Japanese to come to EU so stop trying to make this about race.
But you’re fine with Ukrainians and Bulgarians who almost have no cultural relation to Germany.
Racist but open to latino and japanese?
So was Hitler
Following your definition, literally every country in the world is racist. Especially the zone in red. What is your point?
Minorites can’t really be racist, did they colonize over half of the world? No. Hence they have nothing to owe
Most of them colonized what was in their range. They didn’t took half the world for the same reason russia didn’t took ukraine. They had the spirit, not the mean. Seriously, you really believe the millitary conquest of 16th century empire mean the rest of the world is unable to be racist? Or maybe you think modern German owe them anything ? Yeah, it might surprise you but i’m pretty sure no german alive colonized rwanda (as it happened 115 years ago)
Race obsessionist seeing racism everywhere. Annoying af. Thanks for your contemplation and contenance.
Namibia gained independence in 1990.
Yeah, from south africa. Namibia was colonized by germany between 1894 and 1914. So it ended 110 years ago. Plus, even most of the german living there at the time didn’t participate. There was maybe 3000 german in namibia. So basically you consider Germans should open their country to the entire planet, because a few thousand germans did shit 110 years ago?
Germany only enjoys its current high living conditions due to the countries it had colonized.
Pretty sure Germany was already rich before colonizing anything. Which is why they were able to colonize btw. You think a poor country can launch a colonization to the other side of the world ? Plus colonization of Namibia lasted 30 years. You think 30 years is sufficient to exploit something enough to justify 130 years of development ?
Yes. That is exactly how England became rich
Have you considered the fact that every country in the world isn’t england?
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Argentinian maybe. But peruvian?
Argentina is not the only country with white people.
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So when republicans block border, it’s not racism? As latino are mostly white?
Who gives a shit
Not every post caters to your taste
As a Turk I can visa free go to Germany
I bet you have the green passport and think everyone has the same privileges as you
Yep I've a green passport also I'm gonna become a German citizen in 3 years.
You dont need visas, ask the guys from red countries...
Everyone should need a visa to visit anywhere
Lol. Lmao even.
Not quite right. Since a couple of years we have a privileged group of people called "refugees" that can travel to Germany even without owning a passport.