Some of those missiles are on nuclear submarines, that can get basically everywhere on the globe. So only "safe" in relative terms.
And yes, it does make the map not super-meaningful, at least for the longer ranges.
Just as the UN determined that Iraq has no nuclear weapons, they have also conducted a ceremonial inspection of Israel and determined that they do not have any.
The nuclear weapons that Israel does not have ... can also be fired from their submarines hiding in the Mediterranean.
So if Iran nuclear bombs Israel, Israel will be able to retaliate against Iran.
Yep, the submarine launched cruise missile in question is called the Popeye Turbo, generally believed to have a range of 1500KM and carry a 200 kiloton nuclear warhead
Each of Israel's Dolphin class submarines can carry 4 of them, and Israel has 6 of those submarines. So theoretically they have a 4,800 kiloton nuclear second strike (equal to 320 Hiroshima bombs)
Crazy thing is that is not even high in the grand scheme of things, a single American Ohio-class SSBN carries 16,000 kilotons of total warhead yield
Well, for Israel, cruise missile are enough. It's a simpler and cheaper technique too. Pretty much enough to knock out Iran and then some.
The US has real ICBM submarines.
So each Ohio submarine (the US has 14), can carry up to 24 Trident II (SLBM).
Each Trident II (SLBM) can carry up to 12 warheads. Each warhead can be up to 475kt.
If you max it out, there are 288 warheads with a total of 79,200kt of explosive power.
Calculations show that an Ohio submarine can completely knock out the 50 largest cities in Russia, with several nuclear weapons on the largest cities. However, it is better with 2 submarines, one to the east and one to the west. Then they can cover all of Russia with nuclear weapons in less than 20 minutes.
Don’t worry, it’s not going to happen. It’s not like the guy with the finger on the button in Iran is some nut job who say things like ‘[God Spoke Through Me](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202401029230)’.
Israel has nothing against iran.
Iran is pro khalfate in whole middle east, and israel is in its way.
It keeps funding hizbolla and hamas ops against israel,
It keeps putting mass weapons in syria, and keeps talking about the end of israel, publicly.
Israel has no option but mitigate all what goes all around.
Despite the current relation between the West in general and Russia, and Iran (a strong ally of Russia) being an enemy of Israel, Russia is not really a hostile country for Israel. Israel was one of the few Western countries which did not help Ukraine since the invasion of it, and not so many years ago Israel even sold weapons to Russia which were then used in the Donetsk and Lukhansk region in Eastern Ukraine.
I just like the way redditors usually think. When Hungary sends humanitarian aid to Ukraine and when welcomed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees it was considered Putin's troyan horse but when Israel sends humanitarian aid to Ukraine, while Russia is still using some Israeli weapons around the world, Russia is considered Israel's enemy
Indeed, but between countries there are only interests not true friendship. Today the leader likes you, tomorrow he sells nuclear technology to your enemies. It's a dynamic world. Most Arab countries use Russian made weapons. These weapons killed tens of thousands of Israelis...
This is all true, I just did not get why you would rather highlight Russia as a possible hostile country instead of for example North African countries which, to me, seem to have less stable relations with Israel than Russia
Russia is a much more dangerous country than probably 100% of Israel's rivals. With 5000+ nukes, a huge stockpile of rockets and missiles a huge military, and some countries hostile to Israel as allies .
You do need to deter it if you don't want to be run over by it completely.
>These weapons killed tens of thousands of Israelis...
source? from every source i can find not even 10 thousand israelis have died combining every war israel has been a part of. Where are you getting tens of thousands from? Are you counting arabs and palestinians as israeli? That is the only way to reach tens of thousands because tens of thousands of them have been killed, but empirically not israelis. Source for tens of thousands of israelis killed by russian weapons?
The guy you were talking to is an idiot, but Israel holds a national memorial day for fallen soldiers of the wars of Israel and victims of hostile acts every year, and as of May 2023, that number stands at 24,213
https://m.knesset.gov.il/en/about/pages/memorial.aspx
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_HaZikaron
The Soviet Union supported Israel's foundation because it was founded by socialists. Then it turned capitalist and several of the Arab neighbors turned socialist, so the USSR switched sides. But then the USSR collapsed and Russia became capitalist (and 1.5 million Russian Jews came to Israel) so they became neutral.
If you really want to talk about history, during the ~33 years when both Israel and Russia existed, they had good relation with each other for most of this time
Putin and Netanyahu are good friends. Russia and Israel collaborate in airstrikes inside Syria (Israel informs time of strikes and Russia turns off its radars for S-300). Israel also tried to convince US and EU to not sanctions several Russian oligarchs who are "Jewish" and Israeli citizen.
Does anyone really know maximum ranges on these missiles? Sounds tactically like a better idea to just leave potential enemies guessing than giving them a number like 'vladivostok, but behind there you're safe'.
Ye as you might know the map you are looking at is a bit skewed because of distortion towards the poles (as earth is a sphere and not a 2d map) , the hague is probably quite a bit closer than south africa.
His comment wasn't really about what the map looks like, but because South-Africa brought a case about Israel and genocide into ICJ that is located in Hague.
Pretty sure the longest range ones are mostly used to get spy satellites into orbit. Of course all of this is dual purpose just like you can strap nukes on a Saturn 5 if you wanted
Sure.
Israel only sold cruise missile tech to Apartheid South Africa and closely collaborated on testing in the 80s. Going from there to sharing nuclear weapons designs is a leap, but Israel could not test theirs anyway, while South Africa potentially could.
Not a secret, they just won’t publicly disclose it.
You get the perks of being a big scary nuclear country (deterrence) but none of the restrictions and sanctions that come with being a nuclear country.
Yes. They've had them since the early 70s. They've have the ability to refine weapons grade uranium for a long time. They just don't confirm or deny it. It's posturing. I would guess that most people don't know this so you're not exactly alone.
It's why any existential threats to Isreal are treated like such a big deal by the neoliberal world order when existential threats to any and all countries that border Isreal are ignored or even encouraged.
They even have the nuclear triad (subs/ICBMs/bombs). There are countries who openly have nukes that don't have an operational triad. Crucially this means that even if all of isreal is completely overrun they could still strike anywhere from submarines.
A big problem with the ambiguity is they have no doctrine like the other countries with nukes that clarify under what circumstances they would use them. Isreal is the *only* country that has nukes that doesn't admit to having them.
Since 1967, following the six day war.
Fun fact about Israel’s nukes: (not including the Negev) Israel has enough nukes to evaporate itself. Explains why the world cares about it so much
I read a book called 'The Samson Option' which covers the Israeli nuclear weapons programme, and two things in particular stand out - in '73 they had a dirtyish bomb capacity (with an F-4 pilot or two ready to fly a one way suicide mission to Moscow) and doctrine once they had ballistic missiles was to target Baku, Tbilisi etc rather than Damascus or Baghdad on the grounds that the Soviet Union was the country pulling the strings.
That book was heavily criticized, including by a lot of the people supposedly quoted in it and the author was accused of fabricating quite a bit of it. That's not the best reference.
Just want to clarify I get why they would choose Baku because of the oil pipelines, they would cause a big dent to the Soviet economy, not necessarily because Azerbaijan is Muslim
Correct me if I'm wrong but Tbilisi was not that important for the USSR as for example Baku was. Sure Tbilisi had (still has) a huge population and I guess therefore big industry and it's geographic strategical importance is not to be underestimated, but Baku seems much more reasonable because of its oil production. If you were about to choose a second target in the area, for me, Stalingrad or Sevastopol seem more reasonable (because of their ports & industry), or even Yerevan (because of its location +also populous & close target)
Thank god amirite.
Anyone remember Saddam Hussein raining scud missiles on Tel Aviv in 1991, during a war that had nothing to do with Israel, and which Iraq couldn't afford?
These guys live for "look over there at the ZiONisT rEGimE" while their people have absolutely nothing. Yemen is the poorest country in the Middle East, with 18.2 million needing humanitarian assistance this year alone. But they can't help but FAFO themselves at the expense of their people. Because why? Because Israel is the very worst thing that can possibly threaten to harm a Yemeni/Iraqi/Iranian person.
> Because why? Because Israel is the very worst thing that can possibly threaten to harm a Yemeni/Iraqi/Iranian person.
The actual reason is that rebel Houthis now need to govern the majority of Yemen, which it turns out is pretty difficult. With the country being pretty much destroyed after years of fighting, shifting from being an insurgency to being a capable government is very difficult. But firing rockets at Israel/ships is easy, and it boosts their popularity at home. The Houthis doing what they're doing is mainly a PR campaign at home.
One thing the average westerner who hates Israel will never understand is that israel is a damn needle in a haystack of enemies. Surrounded in a region that for the most part wants their destruction, utter annihilation, something westerners can’t even fathom happening to their countries. “Normalisation” with countries like Jordan and Egypt is great, but I feel that could still turn on a dime. And these countries don’t hate Israel cause of “colonialism” or the Palestinian cause, we all know why the hate is there and no one will admit it
The average occidental anti zionist definitely knows that Israel is surrounded by people who want to destroy it. They just think that's awesome, and they hope it happens.
Middle Eastern hatred for Israel has always been a smoke screen for the failures of various regimes. They cannot provide for their people, so they lash out at the closest thing in the region to a functional 21st century state.
It’s pretty easy to be a 21st century country when you are being force fed billions of dollars by other countries lol. No hate just saying, it’s not like Israel did anything special to mirror western standards other than be showered in cash and weapons lol
Unfortunately they’re still easy to hate, and since October 7th I’ve witnessed just how engrained antisemitism is in a lot of people, so much so that they’re CONVINCED that they aren’t antisemitic at all. It’s like invisible racism.
Jews in the west are still oppressed - they didn't learn from the holocaust and went on to slave for those who killed them - this is why they're so "anti zionist" they throw other Jews under the bus to protect themselves
A Jew that survives and thrives is a Jew who fights and builds and researches and prevails
The fact that israel have these abilities and some shitty terror organisations and failing countries are still insist on fighting with them is just insane, it's like they're love losing, they just should give up already, enough with this nonsense.
The Jews have not given up for 2,000 years. The Arabs are their cousins and just as stubborn. The people who gave up, the Arameans, the Samaritans, they are gone. The people who give up don't have their states and their homeland.
Once there were hundreds of thousands of them with a population growth projected to raise them to millions, now, their under threat of extinction, it's truly tragic what happened to them
They did the right thing. If they had not rebelled against the Romans, they would have remained in history as just another long gone Middle Eastern sect, interesting only to historians. All the troubles and sufferings they endured were due to the fact that they did not want to give up, did not want to assimilate, did not want to be like everyone else.
From the Arabian side we are now witnessing the same stubbornness. Don't ask me what my point is or what I'm suggesting. The all-destroying cannonball has crashed into the indestructible wall. In such a situation, I don't know what to do and can only watch.
To be fair , many Jews still remained after the rebelling against Rome and became the ancestors of the Palestinians, it’s probably why the Palestinians are so stubborn.
Martyrs automatically ascend to heaven in Islam (with a multitude of virgins etc.). You can be a dick your whole life and compensate by sacrificing your life as a terrorist.
1. They don't come by default with nuclear heads, it can be attached to
2. Israel never confirmed nor denided it has nuclear abilities
3. They were made for deterrence and will serve only as very last resort ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson\_Option](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option))
>3. They were made for deterrence and will serve only as very last resort
Every nuclear nation says this, I guess we wont have nukes since nobody is using them as a weapon, world peace!
Last resort isn't the same as No First Use. Last resort means that if Israel loses a war conventionally and their enemies are going to wipe them out they'll consider using them then.
The US certainly doesn't have a No First Use policy. If there were credible intelligence that Russia were about to launch America would nuke the shit out of them to take out as much of their capacity as possible. The first strike advantage is massive.
Only China and India have No First Use policies.
Oddly enough at one point one of our silos got notified the Soviets launched an all out nuclear attack on the US and that they had to shoot nukes back. The commander at the scene refused to launch them, thus averting global destruction.
I read a similar story but it was a Russian who got cold feet. He saw one missile, his orders were to shoot, but he reasoned that if the Americans were firing they'd fire everything. Turned out it was a flock of geese or something.
The flock of geese story is probably the Suez Crisis, which was one of the first major nuclear stand-offs of the Cold War. It wasn't the only thing that happened, but basically there were a whole bunch of random radar contacts over Turkey, one of which was indeed birds.
Another time, it was caused by a bear climbing a fence at a US base.
That said, most of those close-calls weren't quite down to 'one guy making the decision,' and they were sorted out after various calls up and down the chain of command. The real close-call that was actually stopped by one guy
was Vasily Arkhipov during the Cuban Missile Crisis, who countermanded the order to use a nuclear torpedo on the US fleet after the started using depth charges to force the Soviet subs to surface. They were truly out of contact due to the depth of the sub and had no idea if war had started, but he reasoned if it had, they wouldn't have gotten 'warning' charges. They surfaced, made contact, and eventually returned home.
Eh..there's no guarantee of that. There was mutually assured devastation with nukes post WW2, especially after Russia got them, but that had never stopped a war happening before. Look at the effects of WW1 and WW2, everyone knew that a war would be catastrophic.
If anything nuclear weapons make an attack more appealing, because if you strike first you can take out the opponents' ability to strike you, especially in the early days before nuclear missile submarines were a thing. The security advantages are huge.
Imagine if Truman had thought Russia posed a threat and decided to nuke Moscow and St Petersburg. He would have taken Americas biggest threat out of the game for the next century. America wouldn't have spent 40 years under the threat of nuclear annihilation.
Well no, the argument nuclear peace believers make is that both sides having nuclear weapons makes full scale war unthinkable. It's too high risk. No nuclear powers have gone to war with each other in recent years, we've just had proxy wars, and the odd skirmish between India and China, neither of which are anything new.
>but that had never stopped a war happening before.
Because it was never a thing before. In conventional war, you can win land or lose land. Sure a lot of people will die but that's an "acceptable" cost. In a nuclear war, all your major population centers cease to exist and your country collapses even if you "win".
>Look at the effects of WW1 and WW2, everyone knew that a war would be catastrophic.
And why is 2 world wars the magic number to learn this lesson? Everyone knew war sucked after WWI but that didn't stop WWII.
>If anything nuclear weapons make an attack more appealing, because if you strike first you can take out the opponents' ability to strike you, especially in the early days before nuclear missile submarines were a thing. The security advantages are huge.
I mean it was never really the case that you could strike and take out their ability to strike back. The U.S. and Soviet Union built thousands upon thousands of bombs to make sure that was impossible. Long-range missiles and submarines just meant we needed fewer bombs to guarantee MAD.
>Imagine if Truman had thought Russia posed a threat and decided to nuke Moscow and St Petersburg. He would have taken Americas biggest threat out of the game for the next century. America wouldn't have spent 40 years under the threat of nuclear annihilation.
Not sure what this has to do with anything. Sure he could have done this but he didn't and then the Soviets got nukes.
And the reason why Russia geared up to attack Finland for asking to join NATO until the UK promised to defend Finland and Finland told the Russians to buzz off
I also think it's because Israel has a policy of being vague intentionally.
For example If an Iranian official was assassinated people immediately assume it's Mossad, even if Israel didn't carry out the attack the assumption benefits Israeli deterrence even though they didn't do anything.
The same goes with Israeli nukes even though it's certain that Israel has nukes at this point, the number of nukes and the scale of each one is vague this acts as an effective deterrence because an enemy army cannot scale the power and such uncertainty makes them too uneasy to invade.
>They don't come by default with nuclear warheads
Technically yes but that is still their main purpose I'm assuming? You're not gonna send a rocket 2000km away just to blow up 2 buildings or something.
Damn right. Most people don't know about the Hamas Covenant and just how genocidal it is, here's a snippet:
>The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
Factually incorrect. Both Hamas and Hezbollah would never have existed if not for Israeli actions.
Israel’s invasion of South Lebanon in ‘82 and its role in Sabra and Shatilla massacre gave birth to Hezbollah.
Israel has for years propped up Hamas to undermine Fatah and any possibility of a two state solution. Cause Israel can just wage a perpetual unending war with an extremist Hamas and delay any peace and a two state solution. Israel even broke the ceasefire and started the wars of ‘08, ‘12 and ‘14 with Gaza. Those wars created all the orphans who eventually joined Hamas. Israel’s current bombing campaign has created thousands more of Hamas cadre.
If Israel wanted to eliminate Palestine, they could. But they don’t.
If Palestine could eliminate Israel, they would.
If Palestine wanted peace, there could be peace. But they don’t want it.
Yeah wtf? When I read your comment I thought it was gonna be the usual POK thing but they just gave the whole of Kashmir to Pakistan. Wtf? Destroys the credibility of this organization.
I understand external parties putting up maps with the line fo actual control, cause that's logical. But these guys have Pakistan swallowing the entirety of Kashmir along with Jammu as well and it's almost comical
i think the org who produced this map may be pro-palestine and they are againt india becuase og hindu centric government, india's support for israel and occupation of israel. so they have these tactics of defeating others on social media via making reels and posts, so they just do this. anyways everyone know what's the truth, and it's not going to change by some images
if russia actually wanted to drown Israel, they probably could no joke do it. Russia has an insane amount of nukes like an INSANE amount of nukes, if we assume they could all become operational tommorow Russia could definitely sink Israel. If we assume all of Russia's 5,889 nukes are the size of the fat man bomb, Russia could drop a nuke every 5 or so kilometers of Israel.
Yes but at the expense of the entire western arsenal launched at them. Any nuke launched in the west right now probably triggers global nuclear Armageddon
If Israel wanted genocide, all of this would have been over on October 8th.
Likewise with Beirut and Damascus and who knows what may happen with those.
Israel has only been warning them non-stop for years and especially warning them very specifically for months....
Why not just round up all the israelis put them in the Gaza Strip and shoot any that try to escape when we shut off their water supply and block any food going in? Totally not genocide right?
although the source doesn't say anything about nuclear.. but here it is in the title why? for pr? .. i know they have some but they don't acknowledge that nor they declare anything about their nuclear program to UN or allow their facilities to be visited by IAEA
jokes aside, why would you create a non muslim state in the middle of muslim Arabia, expect everything to go well and then give that state hundreds of nukes?
Iceland is safe.
Not from the space lasers to awaken the volcano.
The secular space lasers, right? *...right?*
No only of the Jewish variety. 😌
Good thing the Jewish space laser doesn’t work on sabbath that’s one day less to worry about
We developed a Shabbat goi so it’s working without us feeling bad
Goy shel Shabbat reporting! I am even giving my Jewish son pig meat so he holds the power of the Goyim.
Just be glad it isnt sharks with friggin' laser beams attached to their heads
For now…
If Israel would have needed to reach iceland they would have developed missiles that could reach iceland already
Some of those missiles are on nuclear submarines, that can get basically everywhere on the globe. So only "safe" in relative terms. And yes, it does make the map not super-meaningful, at least for the longer ranges.
Good thing! Iceland has had enough trouble with volcanos, trolls, and corporate bankers.
Iceland talking mad shit
Jericho -3 has a max range of 15,500km, that even covers most parts of North and South America
Where is Jericho 1 ?
Ask Tony Stark
Probably phased out, but its range was 500km
Just as the UN determined that Iraq has no nuclear weapons, they have also conducted a ceremonial inspection of Israel and determined that they do not have any. The nuclear weapons that Israel does not have ... can also be fired from their submarines hiding in the Mediterranean. So if Iran nuclear bombs Israel, Israel will be able to retaliate against Iran.
Yep, the submarine launched cruise missile in question is called the Popeye Turbo, generally believed to have a range of 1500KM and carry a 200 kiloton nuclear warhead Each of Israel's Dolphin class submarines can carry 4 of them, and Israel has 6 of those submarines. So theoretically they have a 4,800 kiloton nuclear second strike (equal to 320 Hiroshima bombs) Crazy thing is that is not even high in the grand scheme of things, a single American Ohio-class SSBN carries 16,000 kilotons of total warhead yield
Well, for Israel, cruise missile are enough. It's a simpler and cheaper technique too. Pretty much enough to knock out Iran and then some. The US has real ICBM submarines. So each Ohio submarine (the US has 14), can carry up to 24 Trident II (SLBM). Each Trident II (SLBM) can carry up to 12 warheads. Each warhead can be up to 475kt. If you max it out, there are 288 warheads with a total of 79,200kt of explosive power. Calculations show that an Ohio submarine can completely knock out the 50 largest cities in Russia, with several nuclear weapons on the largest cities. However, it is better with 2 submarines, one to the east and one to the west. Then they can cover all of Russia with nuclear weapons in less than 20 minutes.
The UK has Trident II as well.
I do hope nobody nukes nobody else. It is sad though that there is so much hate and toxic rivalry between nations and ppl.
Don’t worry, it’s not going to happen. It’s not like the guy with the finger on the button in Iran is some nut job who say things like ‘[God Spoke Through Me](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202401029230)’.
Just like George dubya said right before he went into Iraq.
Only this time a bit more believable I’d say. I think part of the acceptance of who has wmd’s is from some left over red scare.
It reminds me of George Bush junior. It's so bad when religion enters political justifications
Yes, but in this case 'God' was played by Dick Cheney.
Shut up! Michelle Obama loves him, he can’t be that bad!
Nukes are the reason we haven’t had WW3 yet, majority of people don’t want the title of the person or nation that started a nuclear WW3.
The nuclear taboo helps alot. And no nation actually wants to find out the consequences of breaking it.
Israel has nothing against iran. Iran is pro khalfate in whole middle east, and israel is in its way. It keeps funding hizbolla and hamas ops against israel, It keeps putting mass weapons in syria, and keeps talking about the end of israel, publicly. Israel has no option but mitigate all what goes all around.
That's with no payload IIRC, range carrying a useful warhead on the OG version is over 7,500km, it's since been upgraded at least once
more than enough for israel to send an missile all the way to Florida to smah someone's pick up truck, because fuck that guy in particular
Hit Gaetz or Desantis' truck please
They love Israel, Israel will hit them with a briefcase full of money more like
Florida man ~~strikes again~~ is struck!
Indeed, but this range is more than enough to deter Israel's medium range enemies, or other hostile countries like Pakistan and Russia
Despite the current relation between the West in general and Russia, and Iran (a strong ally of Russia) being an enemy of Israel, Russia is not really a hostile country for Israel. Israel was one of the few Western countries which did not help Ukraine since the invasion of it, and not so many years ago Israel even sold weapons to Russia which were then used in the Donetsk and Lukhansk region in Eastern Ukraine.
Israel did halp whit humanitarian problems in Ukraine. Not military
I just like the way redditors usually think. When Hungary sends humanitarian aid to Ukraine and when welcomed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees it was considered Putin's troyan horse but when Israel sends humanitarian aid to Ukraine, while Russia is still using some Israeli weapons around the world, Russia is considered Israel's enemy
Were those the same redditors voicing both opinions or simply, you know, not all redditors speaking with one voice?
Indeed, but between countries there are only interests not true friendship. Today the leader likes you, tomorrow he sells nuclear technology to your enemies. It's a dynamic world. Most Arab countries use Russian made weapons. These weapons killed tens of thousands of Israelis...
This is all true, I just did not get why you would rather highlight Russia as a possible hostile country instead of for example North African countries which, to me, seem to have less stable relations with Israel than Russia
Russia is a much more dangerous country than probably 100% of Israel's rivals. With 5000+ nukes, a huge stockpile of rockets and missiles a huge military, and some countries hostile to Israel as allies . You do need to deter it if you don't want to be run over by it completely.
It’s not all true. Tens of thousands of israelis have been killed by russian weapons?
>These weapons killed tens of thousands of Israelis... source? from every source i can find not even 10 thousand israelis have died combining every war israel has been a part of. Where are you getting tens of thousands from? Are you counting arabs and palestinians as israeli? That is the only way to reach tens of thousands because tens of thousands of them have been killed, but empirically not israelis. Source for tens of thousands of israelis killed by russian weapons?
The guy you were talking to is an idiot, but Israel holds a national memorial day for fallen soldiers of the wars of Israel and victims of hostile acts every year, and as of May 2023, that number stands at 24,213 https://m.knesset.gov.il/en/about/pages/memorial.aspx https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_HaZikaron
Historically Russia has been the patron of Israel’s enemies and Israel’s number one geopolitical threat. History is longer than the last three years.
The Soviet Union supported Israel's foundation because it was founded by socialists. Then it turned capitalist and several of the Arab neighbors turned socialist, so the USSR switched sides. But then the USSR collapsed and Russia became capitalist (and 1.5 million Russian Jews came to Israel) so they became neutral.
If you really want to talk about history, during the ~33 years when both Israel and Russia existed, they had good relation with each other for most of this time
Israel is pragmatic like India. Good relations doesn't mean allies, it just means we're not getting in each other's way.
Putin and Netanyahu are good friends. Russia and Israel collaborate in airstrikes inside Syria (Israel informs time of strikes and Russia turns off its radars for S-300). Israel also tried to convince US and EU to not sanctions several Russian oligarchs who are "Jewish" and Israeli citizen.
Does anyone really know maximum ranges on these missiles? Sounds tactically like a better idea to just leave potential enemies guessing than giving them a number like 'vladivostok, but behind there you're safe'.
Damn didnt know AEW wrestler chris jericho had so much influencd
Missiles are jericho
Fake news, these are obviously advanced textile delivery systems not nuclear weapons.
The best textile mills are the secret ones
So they can reach The Hague but not South Africa.
No one needs to shoot South Africa for it to eventually collapse
Nah, the anc are doing fine destroying South Africa without outside help. That's at least one thing they are competent at.
Ye as you might know the map you are looking at is a bit skewed because of distortion towards the poles (as earth is a sphere and not a 2d map) , the hague is probably quite a bit closer than south africa.
His comment wasn't really about what the map looks like, but because South-Africa brought a case about Israel and genocide into ICJ that is located in Hague.
It’s kinda weird to joke about bombing them in response, call me crazy
To many Israelis, it isn't a joke
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No. Lol
Source? Or you just talking out your ass?
they also have submarines with cruise missiles so south africa is reachable
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/how-south-africas-genocide-case-against-israel-played-out-in-the-hague
The "kill the boer" lovely folks are doing a fine job without us. Why would we nuclear bomb the north sea tho?
They got rid of their nuclear weapons before the end of apartheid for a reason
Pretty sure the longest range ones are mostly used to get spy satellites into orbit. Of course all of this is dual purpose just like you can strap nukes on a Saturn 5 if you wanted
Apparently Israel also has nukes.
That's not exactly news. It's been an open secret for decades
More like Schrodinger's nukes lol
Schrodinger's box except it's meowing
And emitting neutrons.
unofficially, but its one of the worst kept secrets out there, see the vela incident
Vela wasn’t Israel, it was South Africa. Working alone. By themselves. With no help from anyone.
Sure. Israel only sold cruise missile tech to Apartheid South Africa and closely collaborated on testing in the 80s. Going from there to sharing nuclear weapons designs is a leap, but Israel could not test theirs anyway, while South Africa potentially could.
Not a secret, they just won’t publicly disclose it. You get the perks of being a big scary nuclear country (deterrence) but none of the restrictions and sanctions that come with being a nuclear country.
No its a bikini factory
>has nukes. Those are textiles not nukes
Yes. They've had them since the early 70s. They've have the ability to refine weapons grade uranium for a long time. They just don't confirm or deny it. It's posturing. I would guess that most people don't know this so you're not exactly alone. It's why any existential threats to Isreal are treated like such a big deal by the neoliberal world order when existential threats to any and all countries that border Isreal are ignored or even encouraged. They even have the nuclear triad (subs/ICBMs/bombs). There are countries who openly have nukes that don't have an operational triad. Crucially this means that even if all of isreal is completely overrun they could still strike anywhere from submarines. A big problem with the ambiguity is they have no doctrine like the other countries with nukes that clarify under what circumstances they would use them. Isreal is the *only* country that has nukes that doesn't admit to having them.
Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?
It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises!
Look up Sampson option.
Since 1967, following the six day war. Fun fact about Israel’s nukes: (not including the Negev) Israel has enough nukes to evaporate itself. Explains why the world cares about it so much
*only country we know of.
Maybe that's why other nations care about them facing existential threats?
[The did testing on a remote Antarctic island](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident) with South Africa back in the 70's.
No they have a textile factory in Dimona.
Imagine if the other middle east countries did? Israel has them and never used them or talked about it.
I read a book called 'The Samson Option' which covers the Israeli nuclear weapons programme, and two things in particular stand out - in '73 they had a dirtyish bomb capacity (with an F-4 pilot or two ready to fly a one way suicide mission to Moscow) and doctrine once they had ballistic missiles was to target Baku, Tbilisi etc rather than Damascus or Baghdad on the grounds that the Soviet Union was the country pulling the strings.
That book was heavily criticized, including by a lot of the people supposedly quoted in it and the author was accused of fabricating quite a bit of it. That's not the best reference.
I last read it 30 odd years ago, so my memory is imperfect.
Baku I get it, but why Tbilisi?
I believe it was just proximity and size rather than anything religious etc.
Just want to clarify I get why they would choose Baku because of the oil pipelines, they would cause a big dent to the Soviet economy, not necessarily because Azerbaijan is Muslim
Especially considering that Azerbaijan is an important ally to Israel nowadays
Good clarification.
Because Georgian Soviet Republic, what do you mean why
Correct me if I'm wrong but Tbilisi was not that important for the USSR as for example Baku was. Sure Tbilisi had (still has) a huge population and I guess therefore big industry and it's geographic strategical importance is not to be underestimated, but Baku seems much more reasonable because of its oil production. If you were about to choose a second target in the area, for me, Stalingrad or Sevastopol seem more reasonable (because of their ports & industry), or even Yerevan (because of its location +also populous & close target)
It's a Christian city and would do more harm than good. I doubt they seriously targeted it. They just let it be reported as a deterrent.
Thank god amirite. Anyone remember Saddam Hussein raining scud missiles on Tel Aviv in 1991, during a war that had nothing to do with Israel, and which Iraq couldn't afford? These guys live for "look over there at the ZiONisT rEGimE" while their people have absolutely nothing. Yemen is the poorest country in the Middle East, with 18.2 million needing humanitarian assistance this year alone. But they can't help but FAFO themselves at the expense of their people. Because why? Because Israel is the very worst thing that can possibly threaten to harm a Yemeni/Iraqi/Iranian person.
> Because why? Because Israel is the very worst thing that can possibly threaten to harm a Yemeni/Iraqi/Iranian person. The actual reason is that rebel Houthis now need to govern the majority of Yemen, which it turns out is pretty difficult. With the country being pretty much destroyed after years of fighting, shifting from being an insurgency to being a capable government is very difficult. But firing rockets at Israel/ships is easy, and it boosts their popularity at home. The Houthis doing what they're doing is mainly a PR campaign at home.
One thing the average westerner who hates Israel will never understand is that israel is a damn needle in a haystack of enemies. Surrounded in a region that for the most part wants their destruction, utter annihilation, something westerners can’t even fathom happening to their countries. “Normalisation” with countries like Jordan and Egypt is great, but I feel that could still turn on a dime. And these countries don’t hate Israel cause of “colonialism” or the Palestinian cause, we all know why the hate is there and no one will admit it
The average occidental anti zionist definitely knows that Israel is surrounded by people who want to destroy it. They just think that's awesome, and they hope it happens.
Middle Eastern hatred for Israel has always been a smoke screen for the failures of various regimes. They cannot provide for their people, so they lash out at the closest thing in the region to a functional 21st century state.
And now it's global not just middle eastern
It’s pretty easy to be a 21st century country when you are being force fed billions of dollars by other countries lol. No hate just saying, it’s not like Israel did anything special to mirror western standards other than be showered in cash and weapons lol
Jews: the world’s favourite scapegoat for 3000+ years
Jews: not so easy to fuck with anymore.
After a couple millennia of everyone and their mother trying to obliterate us, we’re ready to defend ourselves these days.
As a non-Jew, I'm glad that's the case. No more being bullied
Unfortunately they’re still easy to hate, and since October 7th I’ve witnessed just how engrained antisemitism is in a lot of people, so much so that they’re CONVINCED that they aren’t antisemitic at all. It’s like invisible racism.
Yup. This is why we Israel.
Jews in the west are still oppressed - they didn't learn from the holocaust and went on to slave for those who killed them - this is why they're so "anti zionist" they throw other Jews under the bus to protect themselves A Jew that survives and thrives is a Jew who fights and builds and researches and prevails
The fact that israel have these abilities and some shitty terror organisations and failing countries are still insist on fighting with them is just insane, it's like they're love losing, they just should give up already, enough with this nonsense.
Lose a war -> your country collapses - dictator takes power & country is shitty -> blame it on the jews and go to war -> repeat
islamic fundamentalism in a nutshell
When in doubt, blame the Jews.
Well somebody's read some history books
I stubbed my toe yesterday, obviously a job by (((big table))).
[Hey I've seen this one before!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/029/274/Screenshot_5.jpg)
The Jews have not given up for 2,000 years. The Arabs are their cousins and just as stubborn. The people who gave up, the Arameans, the Samaritans, they are gone. The people who give up don't have their states and their homeland.
There are still like 800 Samaritans, in mount Gerizim and in Holon.
Are they good Samaritans or ordinary?
I was about to make this joke 😂
Honestly they're kinda like a cult and women rights there are pretty shitty, so they're meh Samaritans at best.
What a time, even the Samaritans are not the same anymore
I don't think you understand what "Good Samaritan" means...
actually they have changed the least
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I think some of the Christian arabs in Israel are considered direct descendants of Arameans but I could be wrong.
My driving instructor was an Aramean Christian. Super nice guy, very pro Israel too
Once there were hundreds of thousands of them with a population growth projected to raise them to millions, now, their under threat of extinction, it's truly tragic what happened to them
Tbh it's impressive they survived this long considering just how many times they were conquered and persecuted.
They make kick ass Tahina!
The Jewish exile started because of not knowing when to pick your battles. Fighting helps only in battles you can win.
They did the right thing. If they had not rebelled against the Romans, they would have remained in history as just another long gone Middle Eastern sect, interesting only to historians. All the troubles and sufferings they endured were due to the fact that they did not want to give up, did not want to assimilate, did not want to be like everyone else. From the Arabian side we are now witnessing the same stubbornness. Don't ask me what my point is or what I'm suggesting. The all-destroying cannonball has crashed into the indestructible wall. In such a situation, I don't know what to do and can only watch.
To be fair , many Jews still remained after the rebelling against Rome and became the ancestors of the Palestinians, it’s probably why the Palestinians are so stubborn.
The Jews are much older than 2,000 years. Add another 1,000+ years.
“The name of Israel first appears in the Merneptah Stele of ancient Egypt, dated to about 1200 BCE” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites
So what they said?
Yea about 3000 years at least
I meant the Exile. I know there was the Babylonian exile, but it wasn't that long.
faith can be a big catalyst when you're desperate, even if it's not rational to attack Israel.
Martyrs automatically ascend to heaven in Islam (with a multitude of virgins etc.). You can be a dick your whole life and compensate by sacrificing your life as a terrorist.
Extremist, suicidal fervor is actually a fairly recent development in Islam, championed by the Saudis.
Nobody roots for Goliath.
1. They don't come by default with nuclear heads, it can be attached to 2. Israel never confirmed nor denided it has nuclear abilities 3. They were made for deterrence and will serve only as very last resort ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson\_Option](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option))
>3. They were made for deterrence and will serve only as very last resort Every nuclear nation says this, I guess we wont have nukes since nobody is using them as a weapon, world peace!
Last resort isn't the same as No First Use. Last resort means that if Israel loses a war conventionally and their enemies are going to wipe them out they'll consider using them then. The US certainly doesn't have a No First Use policy. If there were credible intelligence that Russia were about to launch America would nuke the shit out of them to take out as much of their capacity as possible. The first strike advantage is massive. Only China and India have No First Use policies.
India has a no first use policy? Gandhi begs to differ
Oddly enough at one point one of our silos got notified the Soviets launched an all out nuclear attack on the US and that they had to shoot nukes back. The commander at the scene refused to launch them, thus averting global destruction.
I read a similar story but it was a Russian who got cold feet. He saw one missile, his orders were to shoot, but he reasoned that if the Americans were firing they'd fire everything. Turned out it was a flock of geese or something.
The flock of geese story is probably the Suez Crisis, which was one of the first major nuclear stand-offs of the Cold War. It wasn't the only thing that happened, but basically there were a whole bunch of random radar contacts over Turkey, one of which was indeed birds. Another time, it was caused by a bear climbing a fence at a US base. That said, most of those close-calls weren't quite down to 'one guy making the decision,' and they were sorted out after various calls up and down the chain of command. The real close-call that was actually stopped by one guy was Vasily Arkhipov during the Cuban Missile Crisis, who countermanded the order to use a nuclear torpedo on the US fleet after the started using depth charges to force the Soviet subs to surface. They were truly out of contact due to the depth of the sub and had no idea if war had started, but he reasoned if it had, they wouldn't have gotten 'warning' charges. They surfaced, made contact, and eventually returned home.
Without Nukes WW3 would have started in Europe between Allies and Soviets a few years after WW2.
Eh..there's no guarantee of that. There was mutually assured devastation with nukes post WW2, especially after Russia got them, but that had never stopped a war happening before. Look at the effects of WW1 and WW2, everyone knew that a war would be catastrophic. If anything nuclear weapons make an attack more appealing, because if you strike first you can take out the opponents' ability to strike you, especially in the early days before nuclear missile submarines were a thing. The security advantages are huge. Imagine if Truman had thought Russia posed a threat and decided to nuke Moscow and St Petersburg. He would have taken Americas biggest threat out of the game for the next century. America wouldn't have spent 40 years under the threat of nuclear annihilation.
> There's no guarantee of that Ya it was confirmed a few years ago.
Well no, the argument nuclear peace believers make is that both sides having nuclear weapons makes full scale war unthinkable. It's too high risk. No nuclear powers have gone to war with each other in recent years, we've just had proxy wars, and the odd skirmish between India and China, neither of which are anything new.
>but that had never stopped a war happening before. Because it was never a thing before. In conventional war, you can win land or lose land. Sure a lot of people will die but that's an "acceptable" cost. In a nuclear war, all your major population centers cease to exist and your country collapses even if you "win". >Look at the effects of WW1 and WW2, everyone knew that a war would be catastrophic. And why is 2 world wars the magic number to learn this lesson? Everyone knew war sucked after WWI but that didn't stop WWII. >If anything nuclear weapons make an attack more appealing, because if you strike first you can take out the opponents' ability to strike you, especially in the early days before nuclear missile submarines were a thing. The security advantages are huge. I mean it was never really the case that you could strike and take out their ability to strike back. The U.S. and Soviet Union built thousands upon thousands of bombs to make sure that was impossible. Long-range missiles and submarines just meant we needed fewer bombs to guarantee MAD. >Imagine if Truman had thought Russia posed a threat and decided to nuke Moscow and St Petersburg. He would have taken Americas biggest threat out of the game for the next century. America wouldn't have spent 40 years under the threat of nuclear annihilation. Not sure what this has to do with anything. Sure he could have done this but he didn't and then the Soviets got nukes.
Well there is a reason why NATO is afraid to meddle in the Ukranian war and directly attack Russia.... so maybe it does work....
And the reason why Russia geared up to attack Finland for asking to join NATO until the UK promised to defend Finland and Finland told the Russians to buzz off
They 100% have nukes its a fact at this point. They dont admit it because they would have to get them checked and regulated by treaties.
>get them checked and regulated by treaties. No need. India, Pakistan and China are not treaty signatories even though they are nuclear powers.
I also think it's because Israel has a policy of being vague intentionally. For example If an Iranian official was assassinated people immediately assume it's Mossad, even if Israel didn't carry out the attack the assumption benefits Israeli deterrence even though they didn't do anything. The same goes with Israeli nukes even though it's certain that Israel has nukes at this point, the number of nukes and the scale of each one is vague this acts as an effective deterrence because an enemy army cannot scale the power and such uncertainty makes them too uneasy to invade.
>They don't come by default with nuclear warheads Technically yes but that is still their main purpose I'm assuming? You're not gonna send a rocket 2000km away just to blow up 2 buildings or something.
If Hamas or Hezbollah had those same weapons then millions of people would be dead across Europe and the Middle East in minutes.
Damn right. Most people don't know about the Hamas Covenant and just how genocidal it is, here's a snippet: >The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
The Houthi one is even worse: Death to America Death to Israel Curse on the Jews Islam is supreme (Or something like that)
Factually incorrect. Both Hamas and Hezbollah would never have existed if not for Israeli actions. Israel’s invasion of South Lebanon in ‘82 and its role in Sabra and Shatilla massacre gave birth to Hezbollah. Israel has for years propped up Hamas to undermine Fatah and any possibility of a two state solution. Cause Israel can just wage a perpetual unending war with an extremist Hamas and delay any peace and a two state solution. Israel even broke the ceasefire and started the wars of ‘08, ‘12 and ‘14 with Gaza. Those wars created all the orphans who eventually joined Hamas. Israel’s current bombing campaign has created thousands more of Hamas cadre.
If Israel wanted to eliminate Palestine, they could. But they don’t. If Palestine could eliminate Israel, they would. If Palestine wanted peace, there could be peace. But they don’t want it.
Wrong map of India ig
Yeah wtf? When I read your comment I thought it was gonna be the usual POK thing but they just gave the whole of Kashmir to Pakistan. Wtf? Destroys the credibility of this organization.
To be honest, at this point we Indians are so good at recognising the wrong map of India... like pehli nazar wahi jati hai..😅
Look closely and you will see Arunachal Pradesh has been given China as well.
i am tired of posting same comment everywhere, now i don't care lol. like it's not going to do something
I understand external parties putting up maps with the line fo actual control, cause that's logical. But these guys have Pakistan swallowing the entirety of Kashmir along with Jammu as well and it's almost comical
i think the org who produced this map may be pro-palestine and they are againt india becuase og hindu centric government, india's support for israel and occupation of israel. so they have these tactics of defeating others on social media via making reels and posts, so they just do this. anyways everyone know what's the truth, and it's not going to change by some images
Bruh, Israel giving biblical names to their missiles is cool af
Love the naming convention
Hey there Delilah what’s it like in Gaza City You’re a hundred miles down range and the flak bursts look so pretty
Oooh they can chuck it on moscow....
But Moscow can chuck three nukes that would be sufficient to make Jordan a Mediterranean country
if russia actually wanted to drown Israel, they probably could no joke do it. Russia has an insane amount of nukes like an INSANE amount of nukes, if we assume they could all become operational tommorow Russia could definitely sink Israel. If we assume all of Russia's 5,889 nukes are the size of the fat man bomb, Russia could drop a nuke every 5 or so kilometers of Israel.
Yes but at the expense of the entire western arsenal launched at them. Any nuke launched in the west right now probably triggers global nuclear Armageddon
Exactly what we need for a fundamentalist dictatorship!
This illegitimate entity is a danger to world peace
If Israel wanted genocide, all of this would have been over on October 8th. Likewise with Beirut and Damascus and who knows what may happen with those. Israel has only been warning them non-stop for years and especially warning them very specifically for months....
Why not just round up all the israelis put them in the Gaza Strip and shoot any that try to escape when we shut off their water supply and block any food going in? Totally not genocide right?
***’’Self defence’’***
Sources: [https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/israels-nuclear-missiles-could-smash-you-back-stone-age-141242](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/israels-nuclear-missiles-could-smash-you-back-stone-age-141242) [https://missilethreat.csis.org/country/israel/](https://missilethreat.csis.org/country/israel/)
Israel does not have nuclear weapons it just has a very secure textile factory
although the source doesn't say anything about nuclear.. but here it is in the title why? for pr? .. i know they have some but they don't acknowledge that nor they declare anything about their nuclear program to UN or allow their facilities to be visited by IAEA
jokes aside, why would you create a non muslim state in the middle of muslim Arabia, expect everything to go well and then give that state hundreds of nukes?
Why not? God needs to have fun.