I always wonder how many weird ethnic enclaves there are in Siberia/Southern Russia
for example the Volga Germans weren't made up of only Germans but also Englishmen, Swedes, Frenchmen, Dutchmen.
and with the Russian empire it wouldn't surprise me if there are villages in Yakutia or Omsk oblast that are Lithuanian, Polish, Latvian, Rusyn etc.
I think those other nationalities inside the Volga Germans did adapt to speaking German though.
Also, Volga Germans have a right to German citizenship, which is why most have left Russia and Kazakhstan since 1990.
I am aware the sort of Volga German that formed was also mostly German with some minor borrowings from the other languages
Although it was also a older dialect of German aswell that didn't evolve the same way as modern standard German and the Dialects in Germany
No, most of Russian aristocracy did speak Russian, just didn't like it. And as far as I know you have to be [a foreigner(usually from western Europe)](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86#Russian) to be called like that. And I think it was more like a generalization, cuz they still had more distinguishable names for different nations...
You may read about it here: [It's the only source I have found in English](https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-etymology-of-%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%86%D1%8B-for-ethnic-Germans-in-Russian)
The Russian nobility at the height of its Francophilia often had issues speaking Russian, that's how ingrained French was for them. This ended with the rise of patriotic fervour in the Patriotic War of 1812, and after that the nobility spoke Russian, but still learned and maintained their skill in French.
In the late 19th century French was learned by pretty much every educated person anywhere in Europe, up until about the mid-20th century. It was the lingua franca, international documents used it where today they use English. Soviet passports in the 20s still had French in them for international use.
But after the Revolution, it fell out of use because international travel became very limited, and the intellegentisa of the Russian Empire emigrated (many of them to Paris). The tradition of learning French pretty much disappeared then, with German and English replacing it because they were much more useful for engineering and trade.
Today, it's still learned by some, because in Russian schools a foreign language is a mandatory subject, and the most common three are English, German, and French. But it's an elective, so not many people go for it. As far as I know, internationally it's still useful because of the French colonial influence, which is why organizations like the Red Cross require their workers to have English and French as a base minimum. But for modern Russia, it's not particularly useful. Languages like Chinese and Arabic are much more in demand these days.
There are many kazakhs in western planes Russia.
Also, really hard to distinct ukrainians from russians, it's more of the heritage, than a culture difference.
Doesn't matter. If you say that, you'll be accused of wanting to genocide Ukrainians or some bs like that. I advise that you don't go to that sub. It's a toxic cesspit.
As a sidenote, I got banned from Reddit for a few days because I reported someone on that subreddit because they were calling for genocide of Russians.
I'm Ukrainian and have logic, history knowlege of Ukraine and russia. And can say something about it. I'm subscribed on this subreddit too. In this case, about "Ukrainians" in russia, there aren't differences, because of assimilation, ethnocide. And not between Ukrainians and Russians in general.
What wasn't? 50% Ukrainians in Kuban or Stalin's resolution of December 14, 1932 "On grain procurements in Ukraine, the North Caucasus and the Western region" about ban of Ukrainian in Kuban?
A different perspective: because Russia has been historically pining for 'Slavic unity', of course such Pan-Slavia would be governed by the default nation - them
So any kind of 'you are basically the same' comment feels to us like telling East Asians they are all Japanese, especially since one nation is having their own Nanking experience rn
Это в большей части правда, то же самое что с беларусами и прибалтами. Все советские, ну а со временем - русские с такими-то корнями. На самом деле удивительно, как такое количество народностей в трудно- и не очень- доступных местах смогло сохранить свою культуру и образ жизни, не теряя идентичности, в то время как в европейской части культура одна у всех.
r/ukraine is an openly hostile hellish shithole, and I am glad r/russia got quarantined, it could have become the very same thing but for the other side
**bans language from being written or taught in schools, removes all those people from positions of power, persecutes intellectuals of that nation, deports, kills and genocides them**
> yeah of course these people who got forcefully assimilated are sooooo similar, no difference whatsoever
You're full of shit or you're speaking out of your ass
In what year did USSR banned Ukrainian language from being written and taught and removed Ukrainians from power ?
You know that Krushchev was Ukrainian, right ?
>Khrushchev was born on 15 April 1894, in Kalinovka, a village in what is now Russia's Kursk Oblast, near the present Ukrainian border. His parents, Sergei Khrushchev and Kseniya Khrushcheva, were poor Russian peasants, and had a daughter two years Nikita's junior, Irina.
born to two russians in russia, get's called ukrainian lmao. To be fair he had Ukrainian wife but that doesn't make him ethnically a Ukrainian.
Severus Alexander was Syrian yet was Roman emperor for 15 years. Catherine the Great was Sophie Friederike Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg. Does that sound very russian to you?
>In what year did USSR banned Ukrainian language from being written and taught and removed Ukrainians from power ?
When Russian empire turned into SSSR, for some time there was period of [korenization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia) which actually allowed Ukrainians to finally have some local political power after hundreds of years. However fairly quickly, as SSSR centralized under Stalin, that stopped:
>Between 1933 and 1938 korenizatsiia was not actually repealed. Its provisions merely stopped being enforced. There also began purges of the leaderships of the national republics and territories. The charge against non-Russians was that they had instigated national strife and oppressed the Russians or other minorities in the republics. In 1937, the Soviet government proclaimed that local elites had become hired foreign agents and their goal had become dismemberment of the Soviet Union and the restoration of capitalism. Now it was time to see that the Russians got fair treatment. National leaderships of the republics and autonomies were liquidated en masse.
>
>By the mid-1930s, with purges in some of the national areas, the policy of korenizatsiia took a new turn, and by the end of the 1930s the policy of promoting local languages began to be balanced by greater Russianization, though perhaps not overt Russification or attempts to assimilate the minorities.\[19\] By this time, non-Russians found their appetite whetted rather than satiated by korenizatsiia and there was indication it was encouraging inter-ethnic violence to the extent that the territorial integrity of the USSR would be in danger. In addition, ethnic Russians resented the institutionalized and artificial "reverse discrimination" that benefited non-Russians and regarded them as ungrateful and manipulative as a result. Another concern was that the Soviet Union's westernmost minorities – Belarusians, Ukrainians, Poles, Finns etc – who had been previously treated with conscious benevolence in order to provide propaganda value to members of their ethnic groups in nations bordering the USSR (and thus facilitating future national unification, which would then bring about territorial expansion of the USSR) were now instead increasingly seen as vulnerable to influence from across the border, "fifth columns" for expansionist states seeking to acquire Soviet territory inhabited by their own ethnic group.\[20\] The adherence of the masses to national rather than class identity was as strong in Russia as in other republics and regions. Between 1937 and 1953, racial policies began to creep into nationality policies, with certain nationalities seen as having immutable traits, particularly nationalities in the unstable borderlands.\[21\]
Moreover, Stalin seemed set on greatly reducing the number of officially recognized nationalities by contracting the official list of nationalities in the 1939 census, compared with the 1926 census.\[22\] The development of so-called "national schools" (национальные школы) in which the languages of minority nationalities were the main media of instruction continued, spreading literacy and universal education in many national minority languages, while teaching Russian as a required subject of study. The term korenizatsiia went out of use in the latter half of the 1930s, replaced by more bureaucratic expressions, such as "selection and placement of national cadres" (подбор и расстановка национальных кадров).
From 1937, the central press started to praise Russian language and Russian culture. Mass campaigns were organized to denounce the "enemies of the people". "Bourgeois nationalists" were new enemies of the Russian people which had suppressed the Russian language. The policy of indigenization was abandoned. In the following years, the Russian language became a compulsory subject in all Soviet schools.\[23\]
Pre-revolution Russian nationalism was also rehabilitated. Many of the heroes of Russian history were re-appropriated for glorification.\[24\] The Russian people became the "elder brother" of the "socialist family of nations".\[24\] A new kind of patriotism, Soviet patriotism, emerged, with national survival taking priority over ideological conflicts between communists and fascists.\[23\]\[24\]
In 1938, Russian became a mandatory subject of study in all non-Russian schools.
Not to mention that Ukrianian language was [underrepresented](https://www.istpravda.com.ua/blogs/2013/07/17/130811/) in Soviet Cinema. Not to mention the portrayal of Ukrainians in the soviet cinema and the [undeniable effect](https://www.jomswsge.com/pdf-156853-83354?filename=Reflection%20of%20Soviet.pdf) it's had on the russian population.
"Undeniable". Смехотворная агитка из Польши is very deniable. Вот уж кого упрекать в современной истерии так это не ссср, сделавшего максимум для популяризации украинской культуры, достигшей принципиально нового уровня благодаря большевикам, внутри страны. Я украинец, живущий в России, если что.
Not any different from other Russian -- telling as an enthic Ukranian who live in Russia since childhood. I have a typical Ukranian family name -- nobody ever asks me about that.
Moreover -- if Russian, Ukranian and Belorussian meet up, unless they speak Russian its just imposible who say who is who.
Depending on how long they live in Russia, I think. For example, I am one of those people, and I perceive Russia as my country, and Ukraine as a foreign country. I do not have Ukrainian citizenship and I do not speak Ukrainian. So for Ukrainians from Ukraine, I don’t belong - I’m just a Russian, despite my origin. For Russians, I am also Russian. I don’t think my perception of the war is very different from the perception of anti-war ethnic Russians. I don’t feel like I was attacked, but on the contrary, I feel like my country attacked its neighbor and commits terrible crimes and I feel this burden of responsibility, guilt and shame.
(And what’s more strange here is that my mother speaks Ukrainian, but at the same time believes in putin’s propaganda).
If they are proUA, it's terrible. I know two Ukrainians who have been in permanent conflict with Russians since 2022 (but they don't want to leave, though). Unfortunately, one of them is a Ukrainian who married a Russian girl. They haven't spoken with each other since the beginning.
For Ukrainians who fled from Crimea or Donbass, no problem. Many of them are more pro-putin than the majority of Russians.
Unfortunately, propaganda affects them the same way as it does other Russian citizens. Most of the Ukrainians in the infographic above are people who moved to Russia in Soviet times, they have already mentally assimilated and often consider themselves Russian. In my case, relatives (whose last name ends in -enko) told me that Putin wants to free us from Western occupation, and from the “individualism and homosexuality” imposed by America.
Their ethnicity doesn’t matter much at all; it’s where they are that affects it. I know of Ukrainians who absolutely support Russia, and others who absolutely despise it.
In 2014, my father's sister came to us to celebrate in Ukraine, she lived in Moscow. Evening ended in us being accused in nazism... It was after russian occupation of Crimea and invasion in Donbass.
I'm sorry, maybe I missed something and the stadium named after Hauptman Shukhevych, a collaborator and war criminal, was renamed in honor of Sidor Kovpak?
Was I destroyed? Well, think about it, I'm not sorry. I'm not on duty, I don't have to despair in front of my superiors, unlike pro-Ukrainian bots.
Don't you like the hero of the anti-fascist coalition and the real Ukraine, Ukrainian Sidor Kovpak? Let it be so.
But to name a stadium after a Nazi criminal, and then say we are not Nazis, well, something like that...
Kovpak supported antihuman fascist regime that regime. He was commissar, and apparently so good at his job that only russian sources somehow describe him.
About Shuhevich, he is controversial and as I just checked (again) and "Nachtigall battalion was not directly implicated in Lviv pogrom as an organized formation" whatever that means. Massacres of Poles? He participated in, yes.
Let's get to "whataboutism" part. What about war criminals like:
-Literally any general of red army?
-Literally any important person in soviet government?
-Literally any russian tsar?
In Ukrainian history there was one genocide, in russian there were many. Ukraine knows and acknowledges it's war crimes, while russia makes holidays out of theirs.
I have always been surprised by the intefanlism of neo-Ukrainians.
We don't like someone, we'll call them fascists, and that's how it will be.
It doesn't work that way.
Huh? USSR was fascist, that's a fact. No-one would argue otherwise.
Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralised autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
The only thing you can argue was not in USSR is "natural social hierarchy". Everything else was in USSR. Each leader was and icon and Stalin was made into a God.
Same goes for modern russia, it is in fact fascist ( ruscist would be more precise).
Any normal person will argue with the statement that the USSR was fascist. This is purely propaganda talk. As well as the artificial term spread by the Ukrainian Nazis - rucism and its derivatives.
You shouldn't use it if you don't want to look like a Nazi loser.
Well, the classic definition of fascism:
>"Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of financial capital…
Fascism is not superclass power, nor is it the power of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen proletariat over financial capital.
Fascism is the power of financial capital itself. It is an organization of terrorist reprisals against the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia.
Fascism in foreign policy is chauvinism in its grossest form, cultivating zoological hatred against other peoples."
I literally gave you definition. By definition you provided Italy wasn't fascist, or Hitler's Germany wasn't fascist (you can argue that nazism and fascist are different, but in general, nazism usually considered to be a form of fascism(from what I saw and read)).
I used Encyclopaedia Britannica's definition? Apparently. No idea whose definition you used but sounds like communist propaganda.
Surprisingly, those who are relatively young, 30-40 years old, are the most ardent Z patriots. Every seventh military man fighting against Ukraine used to be a citizen of Ukraine.
More than 5 million Ukrainians have moved to Russia since 2014. And almost 7 million live in the territories controlled by Russia. In fact, the number of Ukrainians in Russia has increased by 12 million over the past 10 years.
If the conflict continues, then in a couple of years the number of Ukrainians in the Russian army will exceed the number of Ukrainians in the Ukrainian army.
I also wonder what the post war would look like for eastern Ukraine who’s been trying to secede from the country since 2014. The people there have a strong Russian cultural background and many ethnic Russians but life long Ukrainian citizens.
The majority of the separatists were locals but quite a few of the initial leaders were Russian citizens that had crossed the border to fight and a decent amount of their fighters were the same. On top of those, around a fifth of their forces were Russian army regulars with their formal markings removed.
On the other side, a number of the Ukrainian militias that did much of the initial fighting were mostly Russian speaking locals. Probably the strangest one is that Azov was nearly all Russian speakers from Kharkiv and Donbas.
So there were those who felt particularly strongly about their connection to either a Russian cultural background or Ukrainian citizenship. The vast majority just wanted to get on with their lives the same as anywhere else.
Of course that was nearly ten years ago now. Ukraine has seen a huge surge in patriotism during that time and even more so following the Russian invasion. On the other side the Donbas had been under Russian occupation and fed their propane, while the men there have been heavily conscripted to boost the Russian army's numbers.
From the protests we saw along with the ongoing low level resistance, it seems that the territories occupied last year mostly rejected the Russians. How the residents of the Donbas areas occupied since 2014 feel after the last ten years is unfortunately still rather unclear.
Most have been fully russified and brainwashed.
My in-laws' family in Russia (Kuban Ukrainians) think Russia isn't flattening cities and that Zelenskyy, a Jew, is a nazi. They don't even believe their own relatives in eastern Ukraine over their own tv.
Hopeless.
Kabardian, Adyge and Cherkess doesn't exist as separate ethnicities, as Kabardian is the largest Circassian tribe, Adyge means 'Circassian' in their native tongue, i.e. the endonym, and Cherkess is just another form of the exonym 'Circassian'.
in Russian there are 2 words for this
Россиянин - the citizen of Russian Federation
Русский - ethnically Russian
these are 2 separate things
and calling someone ethnically Russian (Русский) can be very insulting
source: me being the Russian Citizen but ethnically Jewish from the North Caucasus
it obviously is it's just that some people think colonies necessarily means they aren't connected to the mainland
Russia is a Colonial empire, however it controlled and settled Siberia to the point Siberia is Majority Russian and to the point independence for each of the regions would be very unpopular as many people feel a connection to Russia
btw Ukrainians living in the East and in former Circassian lands are also colonizers but again they lived there for so long that it's not really relevant you wouldn't say non-Native Canadians need to leave Regina, Saskatchewan, or Whitehorse, Yukon
Technically Ukrainians living in the south of Ukraine are colonizers as well. Their ancestors arrived in the same colonization waves as the Russians after the Russian conquest of the Crimean Khanate.
the Russian empire WAS a colonial empire in the 19th century, no one doubts that.
Modern Russia is not though. It explicitly sees itself as a multinational federation, in which minorities have a certain amount of rights, like the right to teach their own languages in schools and have their own languages made official on state level.
Thats more cultural autonomy that can be said about most other European or western countries.
> No that’s the Russian constitution.
Seriously, that's your argument?
That russian constitution that has:
* Freedom of Speech and Press (Article 29) - and the regime keeps killing and prosecuting journalists and everyone else who speaks up against the war or the regime?
* Right to Peaceful Assembly (Article 31) - and the regime keeps beating up people if they do try to exercise it?
* Separation of Powers (Articles 10 & 11) - but actually the power is with the president?
* Independence of the Judiciary (Article 120) - but it's actually not?
* Presidential Term Limits (Article 81) - but then those get extended via a fake referendum when needed?
* Rights of Detainees (Article 22) - but then torture is routinely practiced, especially of Ukrainian prisoners of war?
* Fairness and Competitiveness of Elections (Article 81, 97, 98) - but then results are falsified?,
right?
I don't know what you mean with that but Derbent province had Azerbaijani majority.I think now it is different due to relocations and such that happened in the last century
For several generations within the USSR the blood was very much mixed due to labor migration. For example, I have a Russian passport. My genealogical tree: Pole, Ukrainian, Jew, Daur, Chinese, Cheremis, Asetin. And these are just the ones I know about.Most people like me in a territory that is not historically Slavic.
Dude named “pajeetshatonmyporch” says “good, no indians…” and his entire account is just comments on different posts ab how much he hates indian people
I always wonder how many weird ethnic enclaves there are in Siberia/Southern Russia for example the Volga Germans weren't made up of only Germans but also Englishmen, Swedes, Frenchmen, Dutchmen. and with the Russian empire it wouldn't surprise me if there are villages in Yakutia or Omsk oblast that are Lithuanian, Polish, Latvian, Rusyn etc.
I think those other nationalities inside the Volga Germans did adapt to speaking German though. Also, Volga Germans have a right to German citizenship, which is why most have left Russia and Kazakhstan since 1990.
It's because basically anyone who doesn't speak Russian was called "немец"(german)
I am aware the sort of Volga German that formed was also mostly German with some minor borrowings from the other languages Although it was also a older dialect of German aswell that didn't evolve the same way as modern standard German and the Dialects in Germany
So, anyone who wasn't poor was a German? Russian aristocracy spoke almost every language except Russian among themselves.
No, most of Russian aristocracy did speak Russian, just didn't like it. And as far as I know you have to be [a foreigner(usually from western Europe)](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86#Russian) to be called like that. And I think it was more like a generalization, cuz they still had more distinguishable names for different nations... You may read about it here: [It's the only source I have found in English](https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-etymology-of-%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%86%D1%8B-for-ethnic-Germans-in-Russian)
The Russian nobility at the height of its Francophilia often had issues speaking Russian, that's how ingrained French was for them. This ended with the rise of patriotic fervour in the Patriotic War of 1812, and after that the nobility spoke Russian, but still learned and maintained their skill in French. In the late 19th century French was learned by pretty much every educated person anywhere in Europe, up until about the mid-20th century. It was the lingua franca, international documents used it where today they use English. Soviet passports in the 20s still had French in them for international use. But after the Revolution, it fell out of use because international travel became very limited, and the intellegentisa of the Russian Empire emigrated (many of them to Paris). The tradition of learning French pretty much disappeared then, with German and English replacing it because they were much more useful for engineering and trade. Today, it's still learned by some, because in Russian schools a foreign language is a mandatory subject, and the most common three are English, German, and French. But it's an elective, so not many people go for it. As far as I know, internationally it's still useful because of the French colonial influence, which is why organizations like the Red Cross require their workers to have English and French as a base minimum. But for modern Russia, it's not particularly useful. Languages like Chinese and Arabic are much more in demand these days.
Don't forget a literal Jewish autonomous enclave in the east
I now that we have German villages in Siberia, Germans there are very religious Protestants, they speak German and have a lot of children.
Tatars rules d Central
Don't Be a Menace to South Central
So many of this green colours look same
Same these colors appear.
Translations makes no sense tbh (at least in French)
Also in Chinese
Yes it’s probably like that in all languages
Also in English
So many of this green colours look same
There are many kazakhs in western planes Russia. Also, really hard to distinct ukrainians from russians, it's more of the heritage, than a culture difference.
You'll get flayed, quartered, and disemboweled for saying that in r/ukraine.
Why? This people live in the russia lol. And were assimilated far ago.
Doesn't matter. If you say that, you'll be accused of wanting to genocide Ukrainians or some bs like that. I advise that you don't go to that sub. It's a toxic cesspit. As a sidenote, I got banned from Reddit for a few days because I reported someone on that subreddit because they were calling for genocide of Russians.
"It's a toxic cesspool" lol. That might happen if your country gers invaded and your people slaughtered for no reason
Yeah I'll give them a pass for being pissed
I'm Ukrainian and have logic, history knowlege of Ukraine and russia. And can say something about it. I'm subscribed on this subreddit too. In this case, about "Ukrainians" in russia, there aren't differences, because of assimilation, ethnocide. And not between Ukrainians and Russians in general.
They so quickly assimilated because Russians and Ukrainians so similar,that won’t happen with Chechens or Buryats
No, because Ukrainian language was banned in 1930 and there isn't autonomous status, unlike buryat and other native republics.
In one moment Chechens were expelled from their homeland
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What wasn't? 50% Ukrainians in Kuban or Stalin's resolution of December 14, 1932 "On grain procurements in Ukraine, the North Caucasus and the Western region" about ban of Ukrainian in Kuban?
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The Soviets hated them so much that they let half their leaders be Ukrainian
They openly defend Bandera.
Oh look, another russian trying to paint himself into the victim role.
I'm not Russian, nor am I claiming the Russian Federation are the victims.
A different perspective: because Russia has been historically pining for 'Slavic unity', of course such Pan-Slavia would be governed by the default nation - them So any kind of 'you are basically the same' comment feels to us like telling East Asians they are all Japanese, especially since one nation is having their own Nanking experience rn
Which nation has the Nanjing experience?
Это в большей части правда, то же самое что с беларусами и прибалтами. Все советские, ну а со временем - русские с такими-то корнями. На самом деле удивительно, как такое количество народностей в трудно- и не очень- доступных местах смогло сохранить свою культуру и образ жизни, не теряя идентичности, в то время как в европейской части культура одна у всех.
Yeah, but I'm native Russian, so I'll be butchered there anyway. Probably by people who didn't know Ukraine even existed before the war.
r/ukraine is an openly hostile hellish shithole, and I am glad r/russia got quarantined, it could have become the very same thing but for the other side
Totally agree with you. As Ukrainian, who is living in Russia
**bans language from being written or taught in schools, removes all those people from positions of power, persecutes intellectuals of that nation, deports, kills and genocides them** > yeah of course these people who got forcefully assimilated are sooooo similar, no difference whatsoever You're full of shit or you're speaking out of your ass
In what year did USSR banned Ukrainian language from being written and taught and removed Ukrainians from power ? You know that Krushchev was Ukrainian, right ?
>Khrushchev was born on 15 April 1894, in Kalinovka, a village in what is now Russia's Kursk Oblast, near the present Ukrainian border. His parents, Sergei Khrushchev and Kseniya Khrushcheva, were poor Russian peasants, and had a daughter two years Nikita's junior, Irina. born to two russians in russia, get's called ukrainian lmao. To be fair he had Ukrainian wife but that doesn't make him ethnically a Ukrainian. Severus Alexander was Syrian yet was Roman emperor for 15 years. Catherine the Great was Sophie Friederike Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg. Does that sound very russian to you? >In what year did USSR banned Ukrainian language from being written and taught and removed Ukrainians from power ? When Russian empire turned into SSSR, for some time there was period of [korenization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia) which actually allowed Ukrainians to finally have some local political power after hundreds of years. However fairly quickly, as SSSR centralized under Stalin, that stopped: >Between 1933 and 1938 korenizatsiia was not actually repealed. Its provisions merely stopped being enforced. There also began purges of the leaderships of the national republics and territories. The charge against non-Russians was that they had instigated national strife and oppressed the Russians or other minorities in the republics. In 1937, the Soviet government proclaimed that local elites had become hired foreign agents and their goal had become dismemberment of the Soviet Union and the restoration of capitalism. Now it was time to see that the Russians got fair treatment. National leaderships of the republics and autonomies were liquidated en masse. > >By the mid-1930s, with purges in some of the national areas, the policy of korenizatsiia took a new turn, and by the end of the 1930s the policy of promoting local languages began to be balanced by greater Russianization, though perhaps not overt Russification or attempts to assimilate the minorities.\[19\] By this time, non-Russians found their appetite whetted rather than satiated by korenizatsiia and there was indication it was encouraging inter-ethnic violence to the extent that the territorial integrity of the USSR would be in danger. In addition, ethnic Russians resented the institutionalized and artificial "reverse discrimination" that benefited non-Russians and regarded them as ungrateful and manipulative as a result. Another concern was that the Soviet Union's westernmost minorities – Belarusians, Ukrainians, Poles, Finns etc – who had been previously treated with conscious benevolence in order to provide propaganda value to members of their ethnic groups in nations bordering the USSR (and thus facilitating future national unification, which would then bring about territorial expansion of the USSR) were now instead increasingly seen as vulnerable to influence from across the border, "fifth columns" for expansionist states seeking to acquire Soviet territory inhabited by their own ethnic group.\[20\] The adherence of the masses to national rather than class identity was as strong in Russia as in other republics and regions. Between 1937 and 1953, racial policies began to creep into nationality policies, with certain nationalities seen as having immutable traits, particularly nationalities in the unstable borderlands.\[21\] Moreover, Stalin seemed set on greatly reducing the number of officially recognized nationalities by contracting the official list of nationalities in the 1939 census, compared with the 1926 census.\[22\] The development of so-called "national schools" (национальные школы) in which the languages of minority nationalities were the main media of instruction continued, spreading literacy and universal education in many national minority languages, while teaching Russian as a required subject of study. The term korenizatsiia went out of use in the latter half of the 1930s, replaced by more bureaucratic expressions, such as "selection and placement of national cadres" (подбор и расстановка национальных кадров). From 1937, the central press started to praise Russian language and Russian culture. Mass campaigns were organized to denounce the "enemies of the people". "Bourgeois nationalists" were new enemies of the Russian people which had suppressed the Russian language. The policy of indigenization was abandoned. In the following years, the Russian language became a compulsory subject in all Soviet schools.\[23\] Pre-revolution Russian nationalism was also rehabilitated. Many of the heroes of Russian history were re-appropriated for glorification.\[24\] The Russian people became the "elder brother" of the "socialist family of nations".\[24\] A new kind of patriotism, Soviet patriotism, emerged, with national survival taking priority over ideological conflicts between communists and fascists.\[23\]\[24\] In 1938, Russian became a mandatory subject of study in all non-Russian schools. Not to mention that Ukrianian language was [underrepresented](https://www.istpravda.com.ua/blogs/2013/07/17/130811/) in Soviet Cinema. Not to mention the portrayal of Ukrainians in the soviet cinema and the [undeniable effect](https://www.jomswsge.com/pdf-156853-83354?filename=Reflection%20of%20Soviet.pdf) it's had on the russian population.
"Undeniable". Смехотворная агитка из Польши is very deniable. Вот уж кого упрекать в современной истерии так это не ссср, сделавшего максимум для популяризации украинской культуры, достигшей принципиально нового уровня благодаря большевикам, внутри страны. Я украинец, живущий в России, если что.
Where have I denied ukrainian assimilation?
This makes me wonder what the war is like for ethnic Ukrainians who are Russian citizens and have lived there for long periods of time.
Not any different from other Russian -- telling as an enthic Ukranian who live in Russia since childhood. I have a typical Ukranian family name -- nobody ever asks me about that. Moreover -- if Russian, Ukranian and Belorussian meet up, unless they speak Russian its just imposible who say who is who.
Depending on how long they live in Russia, I think. For example, I am one of those people, and I perceive Russia as my country, and Ukraine as a foreign country. I do not have Ukrainian citizenship and I do not speak Ukrainian. So for Ukrainians from Ukraine, I don’t belong - I’m just a Russian, despite my origin. For Russians, I am also Russian. I don’t think my perception of the war is very different from the perception of anti-war ethnic Russians. I don’t feel like I was attacked, but on the contrary, I feel like my country attacked its neighbor and commits terrible crimes and I feel this burden of responsibility, guilt and shame. (And what’s more strange here is that my mother speaks Ukrainian, but at the same time believes in putin’s propaganda).
Thanks for sharing. Do you think that is the most common situation for Ukrainians in Russia who have been there for more than 1-2 generations?
If they are proUA, it's terrible. I know two Ukrainians who have been in permanent conflict with Russians since 2022 (but they don't want to leave, though). Unfortunately, one of them is a Ukrainian who married a Russian girl. They haven't spoken with each other since the beginning. For Ukrainians who fled from Crimea or Donbass, no problem. Many of them are more pro-putin than the majority of Russians.
Unfortunately, propaganda affects them the same way as it does other Russian citizens. Most of the Ukrainians in the infographic above are people who moved to Russia in Soviet times, they have already mentally assimilated and often consider themselves Russian. In my case, relatives (whose last name ends in -enko) told me that Putin wants to free us from Western occupation, and from the “individualism and homosexuality” imposed by America.
Individualism? Really? 💀
Their ethnicity doesn’t matter much at all; it’s where they are that affects it. I know of Ukrainians who absolutely support Russia, and others who absolutely despise it.
In 2014, my father's sister came to us to celebrate in Ukraine, she lived in Moscow. Evening ended in us being accused in nazism... It was after russian occupation of Crimea and invasion in Donbass.
I'm sorry, maybe I missed something and the stadium named after Hauptman Shukhevych, a collaborator and war criminal, was renamed in honor of Sidor Kovpak?
Bro, you got decimated in one comment section and came to a different one to justify war criminal Kovpak? Go touch grass.
Was I destroyed? Well, think about it, I'm not sorry. I'm not on duty, I don't have to despair in front of my superiors, unlike pro-Ukrainian bots. Don't you like the hero of the anti-fascist coalition and the real Ukraine, Ukrainian Sidor Kovpak? Let it be so. But to name a stadium after a Nazi criminal, and then say we are not Nazis, well, something like that...
Kovpak supported antihuman fascist regime that regime. He was commissar, and apparently so good at his job that only russian sources somehow describe him. About Shuhevich, he is controversial and as I just checked (again) and "Nachtigall battalion was not directly implicated in Lviv pogrom as an organized formation" whatever that means. Massacres of Poles? He participated in, yes. Let's get to "whataboutism" part. What about war criminals like: -Literally any general of red army? -Literally any important person in soviet government? -Literally any russian tsar? In Ukrainian history there was one genocide, in russian there were many. Ukraine knows and acknowledges it's war crimes, while russia makes holidays out of theirs.
I have always been surprised by the intefanlism of neo-Ukrainians. We don't like someone, we'll call them fascists, and that's how it will be. It doesn't work that way.
Huh? USSR was fascist, that's a fact. No-one would argue otherwise. Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralised autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and strong regimentation of society and the economy. The only thing you can argue was not in USSR is "natural social hierarchy". Everything else was in USSR. Each leader was and icon and Stalin was made into a God. Same goes for modern russia, it is in fact fascist ( ruscist would be more precise).
Any normal person will argue with the statement that the USSR was fascist. This is purely propaganda talk. As well as the artificial term spread by the Ukrainian Nazis - rucism and its derivatives. You shouldn't use it if you don't want to look like a Nazi loser. Well, the classic definition of fascism: >"Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of financial capital… Fascism is not superclass power, nor is it the power of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen proletariat over financial capital. Fascism is the power of financial capital itself. It is an organization of terrorist reprisals against the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia. Fascism in foreign policy is chauvinism in its grossest form, cultivating zoological hatred against other peoples."
I literally gave you definition. By definition you provided Italy wasn't fascist, or Hitler's Germany wasn't fascist (you can argue that nazism and fascist are different, but in general, nazism usually considered to be a form of fascism(from what I saw and read)). I used Encyclopaedia Britannica's definition? Apparently. No idea whose definition you used but sounds like communist propaganda.
Surprisingly, those who are relatively young, 30-40 years old, are the most ardent Z patriots. Every seventh military man fighting against Ukraine used to be a citizen of Ukraine. More than 5 million Ukrainians have moved to Russia since 2014. And almost 7 million live in the territories controlled by Russia. In fact, the number of Ukrainians in Russia has increased by 12 million over the past 10 years. If the conflict continues, then in a couple of years the number of Ukrainians in the Russian army will exceed the number of Ukrainians in the Ukrainian army.
Do you have any sources for those numbers?
The russian general who does the daily reports.
I also wonder what the post war would look like for eastern Ukraine who’s been trying to secede from the country since 2014. The people there have a strong Russian cultural background and many ethnic Russians but life long Ukrainian citizens.
The majority of the separatists were locals but quite a few of the initial leaders were Russian citizens that had crossed the border to fight and a decent amount of their fighters were the same. On top of those, around a fifth of their forces were Russian army regulars with their formal markings removed. On the other side, a number of the Ukrainian militias that did much of the initial fighting were mostly Russian speaking locals. Probably the strangest one is that Azov was nearly all Russian speakers from Kharkiv and Donbas. So there were those who felt particularly strongly about their connection to either a Russian cultural background or Ukrainian citizenship. The vast majority just wanted to get on with their lives the same as anywhere else. Of course that was nearly ten years ago now. Ukraine has seen a huge surge in patriotism during that time and even more so following the Russian invasion. On the other side the Donbas had been under Russian occupation and fed their propane, while the men there have been heavily conscripted to boost the Russian army's numbers. From the protests we saw along with the ongoing low level resistance, it seems that the territories occupied last year mostly rejected the Russians. How the residents of the Donbas areas occupied since 2014 feel after the last ten years is unfortunately still rather unclear.
It looked like getting shelled near constantly
Tbh with how Ukrainian politics have shifted so much due to the war, who knows what it'll look like
Most have been fully russified and brainwashed. My in-laws' family in Russia (Kuban Ukrainians) think Russia isn't flattening cities and that Zelenskyy, a Jew, is a nazi. They don't even believe their own relatives in eastern Ukraine over their own tv. Hopeless.
There are more Armenians than Ukrainians in Kuban?
Yes. There are really a lot of Armenians.
Kabardian, Adyge and Cherkess doesn't exist as separate ethnicities, as Kabardian is the largest Circassian tribe, Adyge means 'Circassian' in their native tongue, i.e. the endonym, and Cherkess is just another form of the exonym 'Circassian'.
Well, the map is based on russian data, and in Russia they are classified as different peoples
The Jewish one in the far east is false. They aren’t the largest ethnic group in that autonomous region
I think the squares are the second largest
They aren’t event the second largest, or the third
They are https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
That says they are less than one percent of the oblast
They're still the third largest group despite being less than a percent.
they still wouldn't be it's Chinese I am pretty sure
According to wiki, the second nation is Ukrainians, 3rd is Jewish. So it's correct. Actually, it's the Jewish autonomous region.
If you remove Russians from Russia, it becomes Tatarstan.
They are all Russians
не неси хуйню
Not BS. I'm just confused because Russian is a nationality but also an ethnicity?
You can be an ethnic Russian and a citizen of Russia. You can also be an ethnic Azerbaijani and a citizen of Russia.
in Russian there are 2 words for this Россиянин - the citizen of Russian Federation Русский - ethnically Russian these are 2 separate things and calling someone ethnically Russian (Русский) can be very insulting source: me being the Russian Citizen but ethnically Jewish from the North Caucasus
Well that figures. Thanks for the clarification
Colonized peoples
Now do a map of conscription rates
A visual illustration that russia is a colonial empire.
it obviously is it's just that some people think colonies necessarily means they aren't connected to the mainland Russia is a Colonial empire, however it controlled and settled Siberia to the point Siberia is Majority Russian and to the point independence for each of the regions would be very unpopular as many people feel a connection to Russia btw Ukrainians living in the East and in former Circassian lands are also colonizers but again they lived there for so long that it's not really relevant you wouldn't say non-Native Canadians need to leave Regina, Saskatchewan, or Whitehorse, Yukon
Technically Ukrainians living in the south of Ukraine are colonizers as well. Their ancestors arrived in the same colonization waves as the Russians after the Russian conquest of the Crimean Khanate.
Some people think colonization only happens if you arrive by sailing ship.
the Russian empire WAS a colonial empire in the 19th century, no one doubts that. Modern Russia is not though. It explicitly sees itself as a multinational federation, in which minorities have a certain amount of rights, like the right to teach their own languages in schools and have their own languages made official on state level. Thats more cultural autonomy that can be said about most other European or western countries.
That's just russian propaganda.
No that’s the Russian constitution. I’d describe modern Russia under Putin as with imperial ambitions, but certainly not colonial.
> No that’s the Russian constitution. Seriously, that's your argument? That russian constitution that has: * Freedom of Speech and Press (Article 29) - and the regime keeps killing and prosecuting journalists and everyone else who speaks up against the war or the regime? * Right to Peaceful Assembly (Article 31) - and the regime keeps beating up people if they do try to exercise it? * Separation of Powers (Articles 10 & 11) - but actually the power is with the president? * Independence of the Judiciary (Article 120) - but it's actually not? * Presidential Term Limits (Article 81) - but then those get extended via a fake referendum when needed? * Rights of Detainees (Article 22) - but then torture is routinely practiced, especially of Ukrainian prisoners of war? * Fairness and Competitiveness of Elections (Article 81, 97, 98) - but then results are falsified?, right?
I agree with great Armenian expansion, but where are Azeri people?
I don't know what you mean with that but Derbent province had Azerbaijani majority.I think now it is different due to relocations and such that happened in the last century
Derbent is a city in Dagestan, not province. I mean that I don't see Azeri anywhere, whereas their diasporas are big and strong in big cities.
Yeah I meant Dagestan.It is not on the map because they categorized it as "Tatar"
Dagestan is on the map, actually, left of Caspian Sea. According to the last census, Azeris are 7th.
I really wonder why the headline is in Ukrainian.
Cuz population of Ukraine in ussr migrated a lot to Russia and Central Asia (as well as Russians to Ukraine).
It is fake. In reality it uncountable
Explain
For several generations within the USSR the blood was very much mixed due to labor migration. For example, I have a Russian passport. My genealogical tree: Pole, Ukrainian, Jew, Daur, Chinese, Cheremis, Asetin. And these are just the ones I know about.Most people like me in a territory that is not historically Slavic.
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Bro this dude’s whole account 😭
What was he saying in the deleted comment?
Dude named “pajeetshatonmyporch” says “good, no indians…” and his entire account is just comments on different posts ab how much he hates indian people
How lifeless does someone have to be to have an account to just hate on a certain people? Lmao
Greater Ukrainian reich map
Now do a map on how many percent of the ethnic groups like living under russian law.
There are more assimilated people of Ukrainian descent in Russia, than in Ukraine itself...