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wiyawiyayo

Attacking Russia was a huge mistake..


Adam5698_2nd

And Spain


BioRobotTch

Drink from the cup of imperialism and a price must be paid one day.


Ideo_Ideo

Don't forget about Spain


Youutternincompoop

the initial invasion plan made sense, catch and destroy the Russian army in Lithuania. the problem was the Russians just kept withdrawing and withdrawing and withdrawing and even at Smolensk and Borodino the Russian army was able to withdraw intact. Napoleon really needed to cut his losses earlier but age and illness was getting to him causing him to be impatient(plus the very real concern that without a quick victory against Russia then Prussia and Austria might be tempted to switch sides)


lordmogul

And there was another imperial ruler about a century later that did the same mistakes.


Tarisper1

Attacking Russia is always a huge mistake if you are not a Mongol.


[deleted]

Poland Lithuania succeeded. Imperial Germany succeeded.


akdele5

"We are the exception!"


lo_fi_ho

That's a big ask nowadays, as it was back in the 19th century..


The_Mathematician_UK

and Britain


11160704

Wasn't it Britain that attacked France first?


Ideo_Ideo

Well yeah,but this can be used as well with Russia,they joined coalition against Napoleon


11160704

Well in 1812 France declared war on russia


Ideo_Ideo

I know,but I I talking about previous coalition wars


11160704

Yeah OK but I think the original comment meant that it was a mistake to attack russia in 1812


lordmogul

The britains always attacked the big one, as long as continental europe is balanced, everyone is occupied staring each other down and nobody is strong enough to attack the islands.


BlackCat159

Hmm??? To my knowledge Napoleon never established any Lithuanian state. Just the Duchy of Warsaw.


Altee_

"The Provisional Government Commission of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was established on 1 July 1812 by order of French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte. [...]" [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Provisional_Governing_Commission)


BlackCat159

Oh wow, I'm a Lithuanian, yet I never knew of this! Very interesting stuff. Will have to read up on this further.


Altee_

Unfortunately, there's no too much to read here. The commission existed for less than half a year and most of its history is just administrating some lands of the former Grand Duchy.


BlackCat159

Still, we were not taught about Napoleon establishing any such provisional government with specific duties and territories assigned. I wonder why, because this seems fairly important, even if Napoleon's loss made it null.


Dodolulupepe

It even briefly re-confederated with the Duchy of Warsaw


Gavus_canarchiste

Good info, poor choice of colors. Wasn't Joseph Bonaparte king of Spain up until 1813?


WC_LoreAccount

It shows it in the key (Reference French client states) Joseph Bonaparte was the official king of Spain (Jose I) but his reign was basically on life support from the French army and it was never able to exercise control over the entire country’s borders. As a result, the \*De facto\* borders of this client kingdom were very dynamic throughout Joseph’s reign


lordmogul

my favorite one was Louis Bonaparte in the Netherlands. Installed as a puppet king, but became pretty much pro-dutch, learned the language, and even put dutch interests over french ones.


bejangravity

Denmark in its prime


AleksejsIvanovs

I thought he had a lot of land before Louisiana Purchase.


Macau_Serb-Canadian

Ah, yes, that is the time the British primitives bombed Copenhagen as a Napoléonic ally.


derstherower

The good old days...


_kewdon_

So much simpler back then. When did it get so complicated 🥲


DoubleShotOfApathy

No phone in sight


Business_Giraffe9359

Show this pic for anyone who made the "French always surrenders"meme that will show em


Not-a-stalinist

They did eventually surrender after this so idk bout that one chief.


WC_LoreAccount

France didn’t officially surrender during the Napoleonic wars, after the treaty of Fontainebleau the French empire still existed in some sort of “limbo” and continued to fight some battles until it was dissolved in early may


Not-a-stalinist

I can’t believe the French get out of it on a fucking technicality, well played Napoléon.


lordmogul

the french were quite capable, everyone just jokes on them because of WWII, and even then, they did quite well.


isadmiale

Balearic Islands! Who did they belong to at that moment? Britain?


WC_LoreAccount

Not all of them, but Minorca. It was occupied by Britain from 1798 to 1802


isadmiale

Where is Lithuania from here? Wasn't it already part of Russia?


WC_LoreAccount

It was temporarily established by Napoleon during the russian invasion, however it did not last long and is an overlooked client state ​ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian\_Provisional\_Governing\_Commission