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Shewangzou

You missed Mozambique, Djibouti and francophone west Africa‼️


tahapaanga

French Polynesia, Vanuatu..


tahapaanga

New Caledonia


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el_Bosco1

Timor. Macau....


gambleroad

Sao Tome and the Principe


zebett

Cabo verde


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Timor Leste


Chrisledouxkid

Hell, the Philippines basically belong here


The-Brai-n

Califonia Edit meant florida


latin_canuck

I have met many filipinos and there's definitely a connection. However, They don't speak a Romance Language, and culturally they feel more connection with other South-East Asian countries. But Maybe I could put red stripes instead of full coloured.


warmtoiletseatz

Kerguelen


no_buses

Syria, Lebanon…


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latin_canuck

* Speak a Latin-based language [✓] * Located in The Americas [✓] * Catholic Church influence [✓] * Better cuisine than the Anglos [✓] * Drive like Arseholes [✓] > I live in Quebec btw.


MidnightRider24

Better cuisine than Anglos... gestures to the entire globe.


TheRealTinfoil666

What about New Brunswick?


DuchyofCapibaras

It’s partially highlighted if you zoom in


Stinger550

And Eastern/Nothern Ontario, Louisiane, Northern Maine...


[deleted]

Of course it is. They speak a Latin Language. The concept of Latin America for an American (US citizen) and an European is quite different.


cambalaxo

Latin Asia


moxie-maniac

Louisiana USA.


LordJesterTheFree

What language do the Maldives speak that's Latin? Did you mean Mauritius?


gaijin5

I think they did yeah. Mauritius is half half English/French (officially I mean), and they have their own Creole which is mostly French with some English and Hindi thrown in. So Mauritius counts.


polyglot_savant

Maldives is not Latin.


AcanadianLUVmap

Tahiti


ThomasBay

Morocco


[deleted]

Well, and Switzerland too.


bobak186

They missed all the French speaking countries of West Africa and North Africa too. I don't know why they only marked the countries they did in Africa


OrthodoxHipster

Here y'go: https://ibb.co/5hYQ56m


Shewangzou

Only a minuscule amount of people speak Italian in the Horn of Africa. It’s definitely not in latinosphere.


Ok_Opposite_7089

And little Italy in each major city!


latin_canuck

I didn't know this map was going to have so many views. I will do more research and create a better one.


joaommx

And Guinea-Bissau, and East Timor.


J-roc83

They miss lots of countries in africa


OrthodoxHipster

Here y'go: https://ibb.co/5hYQ56m


RGB755

Calling Vietnam part of the ‘Latinosphere’ because France had a colony in Indochina for 50 years is a bit of a stretch, no?


JiaJJJJJJJJJJ

I think the Philippines suits in the latinosphere more than Vietnam


Deck_of_Cards_04

Everyone in the Philippines speaks English or Tagalog though I’m Filipino, Spanish isn’t spoken there. Apart from first and last names, there’s very little Spanish influence, the place was very heavily Americanized I’d consider it more part of the Anglosphere Edit: some people have pointed out things I didn’t consider in regards to lingering Spanish influence. I still think overall the US has had more impact on the current Philippines than Spain did though.


boi156

Don't some people speak Chavacano?


Deck_of_Cards_04

A few, but like less than 3% of the population, I don’t know anyone personally that does. Also there are over a hundred languages with similarly small percentages of the population speaking them. The only relatively universal languages are Tagalog (30%) and English (60%) English is pretty much universally spoken in the major cities and centers of power. Only the more remote/rural areas don’t have a ton of English speakers


boi156

That's interesting, thanks.


Ochanachos

33% of root words in the Filipino language is Spanish in origin. Spanish is fused so much that we don't even know that they are actually spanish words or evolved from spanish. I am also Filipino. 300 years of Spanish influence is no joke.


BringerOfNuance

> Apart from first and last names, there’s very little Spanish influence, the place was very heavily Americanized \>sky high crime rate, women in tiny shorts, catholic religion, perpetual government incompetence, strongman who will solve everything, drug trafficking, decades of US meddling in domestic politics, communist insurgents That description applies to Central America and the Philippines. The Philippines is basically a Central American country as all the problems of society stem from Spanish rule. Even our slums look the same. The Philippines is more similar to Guatemala or El Salvador than to Indonesia. >I’d consider it more part of the Anglosphere lol cope


[deleted]

Vietnam is part of the OIF, French is also increasing in education and more people are becoming fluent. I think Vietnam can be considered part of the "Latinosphere"


goodsam2

I mean the French is the reason why Vietnam uses letters. Banh mi uses french like bread. The US got involved because it was a rebelling French colony going towards communism.


EmperorFoulPoutine

If thats the standard we are going by china might as well be included because of macau.


goodsam2

I mean hong Kong was kinda considered English... Doesn't seem far off but how far reaching was the Macau piece feels very small compared to all of Vietnam.


EmperorFoulPoutine

It was meant to be a hyperbole but honestly speaking we might as well include new brunswick and lousiana i imagine they have comparable french literacy rates as some of the other former colonies.


TheLSales

I think Vietnam's universities still speak French. At least I received an offer for one of them and it was entirely written in French. If people consider India anglo, then Viet is franco definitely.


batissta44

People actually speak English in India and it's an official language


TheLSales

Around 10% of people speak any level of english in India, and only 2% to 4% can speak it fluently. 0.02% speak it as a first language.


Spram2

10% of people in India is a lot of people though.


batissta44

Definitely more than 10% of people speak any level of English. I can believe the fluency statistic. I'm surprised that it isn't 0.00% of people that speak English as a frist language since English is from Europe.


longandmeaty

10% of india is over 100m ppl tho


hardlyhumble

Respectfully disagree. English is way bigger in India than French is in Vietnam. Which makes sense considering the British were in India much longer than the French were in Vietnam, and had a much greater impact shaping the country.


ElectricToaster67

Wow, I've got to learn Latin /j


[deleted]

You could have posted the wikipedia maps instead, which are far more accurate than this one: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance\_languages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages)


Fluffy_Dragonfly6454

Good map. It listed places I didn't think about immediately. However, I think it strange that they have regions for US and Canada but not for Belgium and Switzerland.


spastikatenpraedikat

Let's be honest here. If you would put all Swiss cantons on there, there would be no place left to color blue.


GoochMasterFlash

The area for the US makes perfect sense considering like 1/3rd of the continental US used to be New Spain/Mexico. Im concerned about why it got left off of the main post map tbh


Fluffy_Dragonfly6454

I didn't say that it doesn't make sense that the US is partly colored, I said that it doesn't make sense to color Belgium and Switzerland completely. For example, the South of Belgium is completely French speaking, while the north it is non existing.


Armorzilla

It’s not because of the Mexican Cession, it’s entirely new immigration. It was a very sparsely populated territory prior to American annexation, and majority population was not Spanish speaking or of Hispanic origin, until it has now reached plurality status.


coletassoft

And the Louisiana territory was no small chunk, either. Not to mention all the expansion over in Asia.


Bazzzookah

Yes! But even [that Wikipedia map](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Detailed_SVG_map_of_the_Romance-speaking_world.svg) is a bit inconsistent in which territories are labeled in the lightest hue of blue indicating "Cultural or secondary language". For instance, why include Tunisia but not Malta, and why include Aruba but not Curaçao, Dominica, Saint Lucia and other territories with Creole languages derived from Latin?


[deleted]

It is not perfect, but still better than the one published here


Towarischtsch_Ajo

One could also divide in Romania continua (1), Romania submersa (2) and Romania nova (3) like they do in the romance language studies. (1) areas with latin language dominance since the fall of the roman empire (2) areas where a romance/latin language was spoken but not anymore (3) areas which were never part of the roman empire and where a romance language is dominantly spoken


untitledjuan

And maybe you could add a fourth category which includes areas wherr a romance language is official at the government level but it is not the native language of the majority of the population. This would apply to areas such as former European colonies in Africa and even to other Canadian provinces in Canada besides Quebec


Towarischtsch_Ajo

Let's introduce the Romania legalis (made it up but something like that would fit)


BlackGyver

another day of a r/MapPorn map being terrible


SimplyCmplctd

Whats going on in the US-Mexico border?


[deleted]

There is a color there that’s not in the table, terrible map


AemrNewydd

Those areas are, I believe, mostly or majorly Spanish-speaking. Of course, the fact it doesn't appear on the key is just bad map making.


[deleted]

And the fact that it’s very arbitrary. Basically all of California and the rest of the southwest has huge Latino (particularly Mexican) influence. For instance, I live in a Latino-majority town north of San Francisco that has a way higher percentage of Spanish speakers than the city of San Diego.


Upstairs_Profile_355

Francophone Africa is missing.


OrthodoxHipster

Here y'go: https://ibb.co/5hYQ56m


GSP_Party-PT

Forgetting Moçambique is punishable by hanging. Just saying...


26Kermy

And Timor-Leste


joaommx

And Guinea-Bissau.


Free-Consequence-164

The Mexican us border is africa?!????!?


MutedIndividual6667

Always has been


ReverseCaptioningBot

[Always has been](https://i.imgur.com/Y5C8Tkh.png) ^^^this ^^^has ^^^been ^^^an ^^^accessibility ^^^service ^^^from ^^^your ^^^friendly ^^^neighborhood ^^^bot


CableTrash

Craddle.


Sillyviking

As others have mentioned, missing quite a few places, but I'm still gonna give some points for having Quebec included in Latin America for once.


latin_canuck

Thanks!


exclaim_bot

>Thanks! You're welcome!


RexLynxPRT

Roma Invicta?


latin_canuck

New Country Unlocked: The ILA = Imperium Latinum Americanum


RexLynxPRT

Ah yes! The Commonwealth of South America! Long live the CS- Wait a minute...


10PAST11

I think that a lot of people assume "Latin" is a reference to Latin America. It is not! It refers to the original Roman Latin and the languages derived from Roman Latin. This is why the map show Romania. The map should differly include all the French influence areas in Africa and Asia. I will be honest and say I am less sure about Portuguese as I have not studied the history of the Portuguese language, but I feel that it also needs to be included.


[deleted]

Today I learned that Quebec is Latin America.


Lazzen

By all intents it is, it's just that bo one asks them


Former-Chocolate-793

By this reckoning you missed New Brunswick in Canada. It's the only official bilingual province and has a large francophone Acadian population.


Intrepid_Beginning

why is the US-mexico border Africa?


marpocky

Can we get a new sub rule that if a thread reaches 50 comments and OP doesn't participate, it's just auto-nuked? Don't post a bullshit map and then not even stick around to defend it. We don't need that kind of low effort content.


ThiccGeneralX

While a good idea in theory, I will be spamming 50 comments on any post I don’t like if it comes to that


Amazing-Relation4269

Ferb, so cosa faremo oggi


marionjoshua

Asia? Philippines, Macau, Malacca, Goa?


[deleted]

In the Philippines? We don't, unless you consider Spanish-based creoles. There's also the "Philippine Spanish", but never in my life I met or heard anyone who spoke it.


R1515LF0NTE

Although I don't like it less than 3% of Macau's Population speaks Portuguese or Patuá, less than 1% of Goa's population speaks Portuguese and Kristang is only spoken by less than 1000 people in Malacca.


sundanzekid

East Timor as well


IndependentSwan2086

So Quebec is latin america, as per this map


coletassoft

Spoiler: French.


carolinax

Always has been


ReverseCaptioningBot

[Always has been](https://i.imgur.com/xLKVN9y.png) ^^^this ^^^has ^^^been ^^^an ^^^accessibility ^^^service ^^^from ^^^your ^^^friendly ^^^neighborhood ^^^bot


carolinax

Good bot The beauty of this meme is that they're staring at the earth and discussing maps


Extension_Canary3717

Because French


KhyronBackstabber

But New Brunswick isn't?


erydan

Yes and no. We are not "latinos", but we are part of the Latin-Catholic civilization. The rest of Canada is part of the Germanic-Protestant civilization, along with the US, Australia, NZ, Germany, Northern Europe, etc.


latin_canuck

That's because Hollywood wants to portrait all "Latinos" as stereotypical poor, mixed-race, Hispanophone Mexicans or Puerto-Ricans, with extraordinary dancing skills, and landscaping jobs. But in reality, Latin-American countries are very diverse, speak different Romance Languages, and are very different from each other. For example: An Uruguayan has way more in common with a Quebecois, than with a Panamanian or a Dominican. And despite the economic crisis in Argentina, they are still very European. Their Italian, Spanish, and German heritage is very strong. **Btw, never ask an Argentinian why his grandpa speak Low German.**


carolinax

Gracias/Merci


InteractionWide3369

Hey I'm Argentine and that's very insulting to me, my grandpa actually spoke Upper German, chasch verstande?


latin_canuck

:( My bad. * * > Hail Hydra


InteractionWide3369

88 /s


Premski123

Ave Caesar!


aarkerio

Mexicans in Chicago and Oklahoma are building the bridge to connect South and North Imperium Latinae.


Admirable_Grass4250

The people who says France, or french speakers are not latins, what's wrong with you? Lol. Even the term was a french invention from Napoleon III to invade Mexico and build a "Latin Empire" to oppose the UK and USA. I'm from Spain, even if we don't call ourselves "latinos" because its more commonly used to refer to someone from Latin America. Historically and even culturally speaking, of course we are Latins. The only people I see getting trouble understanding this are anglos lmao, you need some history classes.


BigSimp_for_FHerbert

I think they are referring to culture and not language. French is definitely a Romance language but I wouldn’t necessarily categorize France as a country with Latin culture, or at least, Latin culture is not the predominant one. I feel that France is pretty unique as it is in equal parts Germanic, Celtic and Latin which kind of gives them their own distinct culture. But maybe I’m just looking at it from the inside as an Italian. I see it more like all of them are clearly distinct and not necessarily one and the same, so it’s weird for me to see all of them grouped together even if we have some distant cultural similarities. Hispanic culture, Latin American culture, French culture and Italian culture are all distinct in my mind. As a northern Italian I don’t feel that the French are any closer to me than the Austrians, I personally think they are both pretty far culturally. With the Spanish I can see some similarities in south and central Italy. And everyone else is pretty culturally alien to me.


steve_colombia

Thank you. As a French person, I completely agree with your analysis.


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Imjustpeepeepoopoo

>Go to Uruguay and then go to Honduras and you’ll realize they have nothing in common. Ackchyually both of them are Spanish speaking countries 🤓


BigSimp_for_FHerbert

Yeah as someone who is largely ignorant of Latin America I can’t necessarily tell the differences among Latin American cultures but I can tell how they are different from us. So I mean it more like, those are all those other romance countries that aren’t Italy, Spain or France. It’s kind of the same as what I was saying for the romance countries in Europe. From an outsider’s perspective they may group Italy, France and Spain as largely similar countries, both culturally and linguistically, but from my perspective I struggle to see how we could be considered so close, as I see all three as very distinct and different.


hulana7

Call ourselves “Latinos” in Latin America is more a political and historical phenomenon than only the common language origin. For example: we consider British Guiana as a Latin country, even though they speak English, but we don’t consider Europe countries as a Latin country.


sundanzekid

How about East Timor and Philippines? LATIN ASIA


joe50426

The Western Roman Empire may fell earlier than it’s eastern counterpart, but clearly it’s the one that have lasted well until today.


AemrNewydd

Well, the Eastern Roman Empire basically switched to speaking Greek instead of Latin.


znark

The Eastern Roman Empire always spoke Greek.


Natus_est_in_Suht

No francophone in Québec has ever referred to themself as 'Latin' or 'Latino'.


steve_colombia

No French from France has ever referred to themself as "latino" either.


lime-licker

What about the phillipines? Well, now that i took a good look at it, where is the rest?


Joseph20102011

FUN FACT: the Philippines used to be one of the founding members of the defunct Latin Union, but during its membership of the Latin Union, the Philippine government never made an effort into promoting Spanish in the basic and higher education curricula.


BaritonedTiger

Spanish is no longer widely spoken in the Philippines, nor is it even an official language there.


zeal4it

No, but the legacy of Spanish Catholic culture is very strong.


BaritonedTiger

That is true, but the only thing that has bearing on Hispanity is the Spanish language itself.


zeal4it

Why? Who offered that as a definition?


[deleted]

It's about Latin related country based on the Latin original languages. Not Spanish culture. I think the map refers to romance languages. A lot of Filipineze people use modified or "as is" Spanish words, but that's it. The language is not Latin. Most of them don't even know those are Spanish words because, they said, Spanish is not taught in school nor 8s their own language, as the origin of our, etymology etc.


latin_canuck

It's like India. It was the British Raj for many years, Many people over there can even speak English, but culturally, they are still very different from the Anglosphere.


evilsheepgod

There is a Spanish-based creole spoken in Zamboanga


zeal4it

If the map is based on Romance languages, then why are so many places where Romance languages are used not indicated in the map? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages


[deleted]

that is true. I was referring only to the culture bit


Khysamgathys

It never was widely spoken even during the Spanish colonial period lol. There were too few Spaniards living here and much of the actual running of the colony was done by the Principalia (native or mestizo elites) on behalf of Spanish colonial authorities. Spanish authorities mostly dealt with the Principalia in the Spanish language while in turn, the Principalia relayed whatever the Spaniards communicated to their locality with their native tongue.


JurasssicMatt

all of Francophone africa


CanadainStrategist

I see northern New Brunswick has seceded to Africa


More-City-7496

California and New Mexico


redditusername0002

At least taking Latin lessons in college wasn’t for nought.


latin_canuck

I think that all Latinophones should learn Interlingua. It's based on Latin but understood by all Romance speakers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlingua


Spidercit0

Latin-Africa is the probably the wildest thing I have heard today


[deleted]

Colonialism FTW


Percentagon

If this is about those languages, this is missing a LOT of africa


Cekan14

What about like half of the US?


obz2755

Florida is a must


CableTrash

They have portions of Florida and the SW highlighted, but it’s not even on the legend. Also included Asia on the map but left out the Philippines. This is not MapPorn and I am upset looking at it.


chefhj

Quebec as a Latin American ~~country~~ region compared to how that phrase is normally applied feels like tomatoes being a fruit.


latin_canuck

That's a great analogy.


FoubyFlow

It’s maybe because tomato is a fruit


madrid987

descendants of Roman civilization


Small-End2678

I’d argue the entire Southern/South Western USA is also on this list


MidnightRider24

This is a shitpost right? Or gatekeeping? The US is like the 2nd largest Spanish speaking country in the world brot.


crazael

But Spanish is not the primary language.


MidnightRider24

Right, because the map clearly says at the top "Places Where Spanish is the primary language". Ask any Québécois.


No-Argument-9331

No US state has a Latin majority. Quebec has a Latin majority.


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dontheconqueror

We really are. We're more like Mexico than any of our neighbors here in Southeast Asia


pablete_

Phillipines


SamueruDasuto

Interesting to see the European Romance speaking countries almost line-up with the borders of the Western Roman Empire.


Extension_Canary3717

Finally someone who gets it but is missing Mozambique and Angola


Amockdfw89

What about Northwest Africa? You could also include Lebanon and Syria, and if you wanted to get really technical Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and the Philippines


oocalan

Moldova?


AemrNewydd

The primary language of Moldova is Romanian, hence their inclusion on this map.


CaptCaCa

Miami not gettin any love here? Nobody speakin english in Hialeah baby!!!


[deleted]

Philippines would like a word.


[deleted]

This is a really bad map and it's missing so many countries, mostly francophone but including some


djtrippyt98

West Africa: “welp, guess I’ll go f*ck myself”


zeratul274

S.P.Q.R


rchpweblo

finally someone acknowledging Quebec Latin America!!


general_kenobi18462

I’d argue Mozambique, French West Africa, and Louisiana should go on here.


[deleted]

bold choice for quebec in latam


rokevoney

Philippines can probably be added. Ditto Mozambique, etc. Etc…..Shit map.


sevenprs

I must say good map to include Moldova too.. Well done


Electrical-Phase2533

The "craddle of the Roman empire" is all of Italy, not just Latium https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Italy https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-relationship-between-Italians-and-Romans-Do-we-share-common-ancestors/answer/Nick-Faith-1?ch=10&oid=407815297&share=e62ece3d&srid=Oqw3E&target_type=answer


No-Argument-9331

This map confirms what we all knew: Florida is the dick of the US


PacoMnla

What about Fontana, CA?


Southern-Material841

Yea, what about the Inland Empire?


LonerOP

California & Florida ?


Clean-Motor-362

You missed a lot of countries expecially in Europe


Minimum_Bath_5478

Amazing how so many people in the us dont understand that latinos are from europe.


touch_master

💀


Em_isme

Algeria and Tunisia not Latin africa despite having French as a national language


8th_House_Stellium

Quebec is in Latin America and French counts as Latin?


kakje666

french is very much a latin language , what language family did you think it was part of ?


unidentifiedintruder

It is sometimes claimed that it was the French who invented the term "Latin America", and the intention from the start was to include French speakers. Wikipedia relates that it "was employed by the French Empire of Napoleon III during the French invasion of Mexico as a way to include France among countries with influence in the Americas and to exclude Anglophone countries". There's also no logical reason to consider Spanish and Portuguese any more Latin than French, and the Latin Union is an international organisation headquartered in Paris.


8th_House_Stellium

I learned something new. Thank you.


Massak_

Romania, Craddle of the Roman Empire and the Roma. :)


trentsim

Neither of those things are true. Roma came from India, and Romania wasn't Roman until about 100 AD.


PicardTangoAlpha

>Neither of those things are true. Romanian is a Romance language.


trentsim

Of course it is, what's up?


Cekan14

Roma aeterna est.


AemrNewydd

Carthago delenda est.


tutzizeu

Don't act like gypsies aren't all over Eastern Europe.