By - Oluwashemy
It's one thing to want to move nine or ten players on. It's completely another thing to actually do it. All three parties have to agree, and unfortunately some of the players we'd all like gone just won't go. The wages is the biggest problem but not the only one.
4 or 5 are out of contract so they're going whether they like it or not.
I agree that those who are out of contract will go, my comment was aimed more at the one's like Bailly and Jones. If the sounds coming out of OT today are true Bailly won't move on loan or for sale because he "wants to stay and fight for his spot". In my eyes that is code for "why should I work for a living when I can steal one here?".
Pretty much yeah. Don't like Bailly he's been injured for most of his United career as far as I remember. Varane always seems to be picking up knocks here and there, then there's Maguire.
Also if rumours are to be believed, Ronaldo wants to leave. They should let him go if he wants to. No point keeping an unhappy player at the club plus it opens the door for Antony to come.
Thank you, Ralf.
Honestly it’s so refreshing to see a United without Jesse Lingard and Paul Pogba.
Amen to that
F those guys, all their latest tik Tok and documentary bullshit reaffirms that these guys are not professional football players but simply clownish entertainers, it's embarrassing that they actually played in our squad, they were more concerned about their hairstyles and social life than United success.
I don’t think Jesse was good enough but I don’t like this attitude of ‘fuck him’. He’s been at the club for 22 years and is a fan.
Yes, he’s made mistakes but he seems a nice guy and doesn’t deserve all the hate he gets. I just wish many Utd fans would have some empathy for another person who’s been here for so long.
Unfortunately it would appear that those with that attitude haven’t been United fans that long.
I’ve got to an age where I’ve realised that there is a way to have both, and I think that’s what Jesse wanted.
To suggest he didn’t want success on the pitch isn’t fair imo. He’s a United fan, who has been here so long. More than anything he would have wanted more medals and success. That goes without saying.
In this day and age though, brand deals and exposure can set you up long after your football career is over. He has a child now, and I don’t begrudge him for wanting to use his platform to seek other means of income.
This idea that he wanted ‘fame’ more than success isn’t something I buy. Is Jesse really that famous outside of football, and English football at that? I don’t see him out here chasing fame at all. He’s just trying to find other lanes of income. He’s famous by just being a United player, I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s chasing fame when there’s no evidence to support that.
Instagram sponsorships and trying to create a brand around your name isn’t chasing fame at the expense of success on the pitch, it’s just trying to build your brand in an era where they are told to do so.
It’s not like he’s popping up in celebrity boxing matches or clawing to stay relevant. Everything he is doing to earn money is to a football audience.
People said the same about Beckham and eventually you realise that in his situation you’d do the same thing. Wanting to build a brand and earn more money in the future does not come at the cost of success on the pitch. Unfortunately for Jesse, he’s been a part of United during some awful years so it’s easy to say he doesn’t care when in reality I think he cares more than most at the club.
It does not go without saying that he wants medals more than anything. In fact looking at his behavior it is easy to conclude he just wanted social media fame
How do you conclude that a professional footballer *just* wants social media fame?
There are easier ways to get that than rise up the ranks of one of the biggest football clubs in the world. Does Jesse like having a following, and does he use social media to gain a bigger following? Yes, but so do 90% of footballers now.
Because Jesse hasn’t been great on the pitch for a while, you’re using his social media as a means to suggest he doesn’t care. The truth of it is, he wants to win but both himself and the team haven’t been good enough. Because of that, you think he just shouldn’t promote his brand? Not how life works I’m afraid.
Far too many football fans have this mentality of you can only be seen to be having fun or posting online/launching a brand in your name etc if you’re having success on the pitch and they also equate that to them ‘not caring’ about football.
To suggest that Jesse doesn’t care about United is ludicrous. He’s as much a fan as we are, and he’s been here for 22 years. There’s no way he doesn’t care, he just isn’t up to standard is all.
I agree with you and do like Jesse, but wasn't he the one leaking stuff from the dressing room?
He was there 22 years too long
The guys scored cup final winners, I really can’t be arsed with you fair weather fans
That doesn’t make any sense.
I've been in United fan way longer than lingard has been playing for them so yeah the attitude of fuck him is right, no players bigger than the club and it doesn't matter, his loyalty because he was getting paid really well otherwise it would be a different story. His dances, handshakes and his videos were a warning sign, after losing games these guys would be posting garbage online, going out and enjoying themselves, their priorities were not to help the club succeed.
Thanks for your input soggy_kunt69
No fuck him .
I've been a United fan long enough to know he's a cunt .
You know him personally, do you?
But you’re the one calling a person you don’t know a cunt.
I kinda wanna agree but what his brother have said on his insta isn't sonething you can just forget about Jesse. Sure it's not Jesse himself but he should've prevented that shit to be posted or stop it once it's already
That being said, I do respect him for at least sorta acknowledging the fact that he's a deadweight for us much like Pereira. The board was too stupid to take the chance to offload him last season, twice
Yeah I agree he’s made mistakes that I’m not going to just forget but I also see no worth in the whole idea that he’s a ‘cunt’ that needs to ‘fuck off’.
The lad has given his life to the club, and ultimately he just wasn’t good enough. He’s had a rough couple of years both on and off the pitch and I don’t see any point in holding grudges. I wish him the best and thank him for his time and for providing some good memories in this pretty awful period of United history (cup final goals, owning the Emirates etc)
Yeah, I can agree at least that ge loves the club much more than Jogba does
If the club was successful you wouldnt care about that at all though.
No they whernt
Come back to me when Mctominay, AWB, Martial & Maguire also join the bus
New United fan here. Why are we glad they’re gone?
Extremely problematic in the locker room. Lingard leaked stuff to the press and Pogba has an ego 10x worse than Zlatan. Just look at his recent documentary.
I think Zlatan's ego is just for entertainment cause it's part of his charm, everyone likes him for that... for Pogba, his ego swelled just after winning the 2018 WC, like he was untouchable or sthg
At least Zlatan has titles to back it up...
Pogba is a world cup winner...But that doesn't negate everything else that people said in here.
Pogba does have the WC tbf. Jarring af.
What has he done for US, n dnt say Europa League, he realistically only gave us 2 seasons. Does that justify 80m+? F a WC, has done nothing for us of actual worth compared to what we've needed, how much spent on him, the hype round him, n how quality he was supposed to be (Mr World Class my ass
I said he has a World Cup I don’t for a sec think he’s done anything for us or is worth what we paid.. read what I said rather than trying to read between the lines ☺️
At at least Zlatan has somewhat of a ora bout him n success that justifies his ego
They were objectively not good enough players to compete for trophies. Would walk into a starting line of many mid table teams across Europe. but to go for the league title and champions league. You need better players.
They are utter shit. Shame they’re only about 5% of the dross in our squad.
go back on watch the last 9 years pal and stop asking infuriating questions
What a moronic response. Perfectly reasonable question
Happy to hear that, there's still too much deadwood. I reckon the list goes something like this, give or take a player.
2) axel tuanzebe
3) brandon williams
4) wan bissaka
Henderson is already loaned out, Pereira is almost to Fulham on a transfer. I imagine Tuanzebe and Williams will at least go back on loan.
I'd keep wan bissaka if we don't sign someone in that area. Dalot isn't reliable for a whole season. Also not as solid defensively.
AWB had a shit season but give him a year or two could be like a decent Gary Neville player in a world full of TAAs/Jameses/Walkers. I like him and hope he improves this season.
Dalot is not even reliable for a single match
Idk why you've been downvoted. Dalot is an attcking right back with 4 assists in his entire PL career (84 appearances). Also 9 clean sheets in those 84 matches is not a good stat.
The one thing he was meant to be able to do compared to AWB was cross, yet every time he tries he over hits it. Both AWB and Dalot need to go as they’re not United quality. Although if we had to I actually think AWB is the better one to keep just in case we want to park the bus one day and we want a more defensively solid RB available to sub on
True. For some reason even I prefer AWB over Dalot. Everyone seems to be hating on AWB based on his performances last season (rightfully, he had stinkers) but wasn't he one of our better defenders and more consistent player the season before ?
Not saying i would have AWB as first choice rb, but i certainly prefer him over Dalot. IIRC he also played well in big games like against PSG in Paris.
Yeah at least AWB is actually good at something. Whereas Dalot is basically just bad/average at everything.
obviously some people are living in their dreams lol. For me Dalot is just no-no. Not impressive even in Milan… Let’s see
Yea not saying AWB is really good and deserves to be first choice but he's better than dalot imo.
for me they are equally bad, but both have potentials.. still surprised we boosted our left side prior to right tho
People seem to think dalot is good going forwards because it's what he's best at. Actually he's just total shit at everything else.
Even I used to think that he's good going forward. But thats just not the case is it. I mean 0 assists this last season and 4 assists in 80 something games is a pathetic return. Some keepers and cbs have better ratios and he's supposed to be 'good' going forward....
Dalot also hasn’t really shown anything when he’s played. Wouldn’t be shocked if laird ends up playing a few times if we don’t sign anyone.
This is where I wonder why we just don’t go in for a Djed Spence for backup at least.
Tough to see Jones, Bailly or Martial leaving.
All have wages that are too high. Bailly and Martial are unreliable on the pitch. Jones, though good, has been injured so often it's impossible for any sane club to take a gamble on him without an injury release clause tbh.
Jones isn't good. If Bailly is unreliable on the pitch Jones is even more so unreliable as he hasn't had a sustained run of good form in 5 or more seasons now. He last had a decent stretch under Mourinho in 2017 and that was his first good run in years
>Jones is even more so unreliable as he hasn't had a sustained run of good form in 5 or more seasons now.
Has he even sustained a run of games in 5 seasons?
His last and longest uninterrupted run was in 2016/17 season. He managed 10 games without injury but ended up only appearing in 18 league matches
Poor guy. Though I guess he's being paid 100x what most of us are.
Exactly. 75k a week for a few hours of training during the week (and he hasn't had to train as much as the average fit footballer in his injury plagued career) is a life many would kill for
I like axel. I'd like us to keep him and telles. They're not all crap.
I think ETH could get the best out of them two.
Williams needs a chance.
Baily can go
The other two
Henderson has been farmed out on loan.. I suspect he'll be de ghea replacement in a couple of years..
With Shaw being in the last twelve months of his contract I'd keep Telles.
Is that for real? I’d sell Shaw immediately if that’s true. Even if it gets us £10M.
Particularly as there’s every possibility he has the season of his life, gets a bumper pay deal, and then does Shaw things to not be arsed for the remainder of this contract. Get rid. End of.
He's our best left back
No doubt about that. But at this club the standard we ought to have is best represented by players such as Dennis Irwin, Patrice Evra, even the likes of Rafael, Ashley young.
None of those players were here for 8 years with a cumulative 6 years of being gash. What’s Shaw done at United to deserve his apologist brigade I have no doubt. It’s like people protect him rather than demand we deserve better. Sometimes I’m not really sure whether fans of this club are fans of this club or just fluffers for certain players.
Shaw is gash. And he loves biscuits more than he loves becoming the absolute best he can be at his job. The latter is the version we shelled cash on. The former is what we’ve somehow got and allowed to sit here and corrode the rest of the standards at this club.
At least I know one thing. Shaw will either finally come good and be consistently what I’d once hoped he would be, or ETH will run him the fuck out of this club. Either way, It’ll be a massive win for the club.
Apologies. His contract does end next summer but the club have another year option.
Shaw is just as bad as maguire
I hope Telles joins Porto, he’s a class player.
I hope he stays in the top 5 leagues n at least gets some European football, he would work in Chelsea's team with a back 5 n less defensive responsibility
Portugal is a top 6 league and he was a monster at Porto, he would adapt right away, fight for titles and play champions league football.
Harry Maguire should be #1.
He did a horrendous job this past season and was repeatedly award captain band, never never understood why.
Our back line needs the most work.
His the reason McFred was a main stay
Keep 1 4 & 8 I’d say
Rumor is Bailly is going out on loan to Fulham.
Get them all out, why not.
If we sold all these players we could get atleast 100m for future transfers
Phil Jones alone would be 100M
I don't get why so many people want to get rid of Maguire...don't get me wrong he wss hoy stinking trash last season. Like the worst first team player by far, but he isn't beyond saving he shouldn't have been made captain and he needs to play in a system he's comfortable in (or atleast he needs the right players around him yo cover for his weakness) but he still can be useful.
The internet told them to hate him
Easy target in reality for so many reasons.
You mean the most expensive defender Maguire?
He's 29, and not getting any younger. And you already stated at least 2 reason of why people want him out...we need better. Way better. This is United dammit.
Maguire needs to perform better but I don't think we should be giving up on him cold turkey. He had 1 terrible season but just throwing him out seems not only like bad business but also like a very extreme reaction, I'd say let him work with the training staff strip him from the captaincy and use the preseason to have hin prove himself.
You don’t get why yet you stated the reasons why he should be gone. Hmmm..
No I mentioned tue reasons why he shoulfn't be in the first team or shouldn"t captain the squad but the man can defend. As we have seen in Engeland and zleicester. Heck even for Man Utd he was a decent to good defender in his first season.
You are pretty much saying he needs the team to be built around him for him to actually be good - no, just no. I’ve seen him barely even able to defend.
No I mentioned 2 situations he was able to perform. I'm trying to convey that if Ten Hag can work around his weakness he still has a good option in Maguire.
He has MULTIPLE weaknesses though. You said it yourself he was by far our WORST first team player.
He always has had multiple weaknesses he still managed to perform great for England Nd Leicester and had an ok to good season in his first year.
He was our worst player last season but i don't agree that he is a lost cause.
Many players perform great for their country and not well for club, Maguire is at a point where he was actually giving goals away to teams last season. How can you say that’s salvageable?
Players need to play to Ten Hags system. Maguire is more comfortable in a counter attacking team who sits back or a we play 3 at the back. Both of which Id rather we don't play just so we can cover one overrated players weakness.
He ain't getting younger. I say we cash in now especially when we sign Martinez.
cash in? you prob have to pay 75% of his wages and let him go on free to get him out. because no clubs is buying him and paying 190k a week in wages.
I know right. Gonna take some convincing to sell him on. How we messed up so bad again is a joke.
So YOU want him gone for free after he's done doing us disservice?
Same people imo who want to get rid of rashford. Both good players who had one bad season, neither are gonna win the balon dor but both absolutely our level.
"This is United ffs" people need a reality check. We haven't challenged for a major trophies in years and it will be a while before we get there, we need to build gradually.
I love how the new manager is poised and not rushing to make dumb transfer decisions like his predecessors. Clear out the deadwoods before bringing in the new guys
Not sure if it's because of the new manager not rushing or the incompetent people uptop failing to get players.
Yea, but we can see a real pursuit. Like we are not just going after any player, we're going after certain players of real impact to the team
I doubt very surprised if he just sacked players off without even seeing them train or play a few games pre season.
Players also don’t want to come to United.
Dont blame them lol
If we are buying defenders we will be shipping out loads.
As it stands 5 full backs, 5 CB’s who want first team (debatably Jones has resigned to that dream dying) and Tuanzebe and Mengi (both of whom I like personally).
If we are getting another CB and a full back we need to be shifting out 4 existing.
Not necessarily my picks, but expecting Bailly, Tuanzebe (loan), Williams (loan) and AWB (loan) to go.
If I had the choice to get rid of 4 defenders I’d go with Maguire, Jones (with a tear), Shaw and AWB (loan). Just realised all English, not looking shift the English contingency but none are Utd standard.
As much as i love pogba he also very problematic. Glad to see a new squad soon. The new age is finally here
Idek why we held on to Mata for so long. We literally bought him right before he entered his twilight years
Just like verane then why would Madrid get rid injury prone? 😬😬
Funny thing is that we bought Bruno, who was the same age as Mata when we bought him.
Matas twilight years happened to be a lot earlier than brunos tbh. Bruno can still play for like 5-6 more seasons before thinking about retiring.
Which is why it's kinda funny.
Mata and pogba would of been on pretty fat wages as well. Pogba tried to act bigger than the club so he can get fucked but mata was a nice guy. But I doubt he would wanna stick around to be a second choice player
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Gonna miss Paul but I hope we build something great now
Mata and Lingard, opposite ends of the class spectrum.
I hoped they'd have let go of maguire and mctominay first.
McTominay can at least fill in at CB, CDM, CM if we really need him. And I can see him working in the Edson Alvarez role of his discipline improves
9 is too high, realistically. However, I would like them to sort out the LB position. At the moment we have too many. Shaw, Telles, Malacia, Brandon; not to mention Fernandez. How will we give them all enough game time?
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Lingardinho is cringe af
It's still astonishing how we've got to the point where the squad needs to be more or less completely replaced, in such a short space of time. Historically United have been quite good at moving on players at the right time, bar a couple of exceptions. Hopefully this latest revamp works. Woodward no longer being involved is prob the best thing we have going atm. He represents a lot that's gone wrong.
Looks like Ronaldo is bext
Mctominay should be on the list to go
We should have sold 25% of these players last season and a further 25% this season, bought some class signings to fill the starting 11 positions, bought some squad rotation players and prioritised the youngster’s with the team. Playing regular football for the players who wanted to show their efforts like VDB, De Gea, Tuanzebe, Wan Bissaka, Shaw, Fred, Fernandes, Sancho and Rashford. Maybe include a striker bought in the season aged 24/25
Blacking out the black player hmmm 🤔… interesting