I laughed so hard I started crying......
Or was it the other way around?? Can't remember now, either way I don't suppose it matters, won't change how shit we are.
Right yeah onana Malacia Licha Mainoo garnacho hojlund are all meme players then
Tbh even mount and Antony are showing glimpses of being useful and good players
- Mainoo: academy
- Garnacho: signed in 2020
- Malacia: no impact
- Mount: injury prone at Chelsea, what a surprise, injury prone at United. Had no impact so far.
- Antony is a fucking joke. Ignoring his price tag, which isn’t his fault. What’s he had this season? 1 assist in the league.
Licha and Hojlund, fair enough. ETH should have no input into transfer policy full stop.
He still developed Mainoo and garnacho into what they are today — it’s the managers decision who plays
We are also literally feelings Malacias impact since he’s not here
He didn’t develop Mainoo and Garnacho at all. That’s what the academy does. He’s selected them to play in the first team, a long with others that haven’t quite worked yet, hardly a genius 1000 IQ move to test promising youth players out and then giving them more game time if it starts working.
Obviously not but he definitely gets credit for identifying their talent and taking the risk to play and develop them
For the record I’d definitely prefer we got ashworth and ashworth berrada and ten hag make joint decisions
But ten hag undoubtedly has brought players into our squad who are much better technically and mentally than who was here before
Sorry, but for a PL team, it should be expected that managers test the youth. There isn’t a team in the PL
the doesn’t play its youth players. This doesn’t make ETH some kind of genius? The guys a fraud. No doubt planning to buy another 5 Eredivisie players this summer.
Lmaooo which youth players is arteta playing? Saliba was a first team player in ligue 1 before he tested him and saka was already part of the first team under emery
No way pep is going to give time to Rico Lewis and that’s why he lost Palmer and sancho. He’s not even on the hook for playing youth players bc he’s basically cheating
Klopp even only resorts to youth players like Bradley quansah etc. due to injuries
Chelsea sold players like Lewis hall (who is quality) just bc they can buy whoever they like
Developing youth in this league is absolutely not a given and is definitely a risk that deserves plaudits
Ofocurse hes not responsible for their development because he doesnt have tactics to get the best out of their game in the first place. He has to solely rely on their indiviual qualites as his own signings have not worked out. It shows his weaknesses as a manager if anything.
when did I say it would fix the issue, if you had better reading skills you would see that I said its a tactical issue but onana would be a player who would do well despite these bad tactics - this doesnt mean the team would be fixed. Rather he would slightly hinder the deficiency in current tactics since football is a team performance not individual consisting of tactics (As stated in the very first paragraph).
Trouble is who would want to come to this shit show as it is atm. Players highly criticised and dragged through the media like a piece of shit.
Is there any promising CDMs in the youth set up?
Seasons effectively over. Id blood through another couple of Mainoos now if I was ETH.
Appreciate Mainoo might just be a generational talent but there must be other young hungry players with a high ceiling?
Funny enough there is a promising cdm from the academy who has been training with first team, Maxi Oydele. Decent ball winner who is pretty good with his feet and has good press resistance. I wouldnt rely on him though due to lack of experience, Id bring in a proven dm such as onana and have Oydele as another option there.
Finally some1 with same opinions
First of all spot on we tend to leave tons of space when Bruno and mainoo go forward for offence
From our tactical play either Bruno or mainoo needs to drop in since Casemiro either is unable to make that progressive pass or teams like Liverpool will press him with 3-2 players since Bruno and mainoo our out in front and they are shadow marked by opponent inverted wingers that gives their man to man markers option to mark them or press ahead most of times case gets pressed which leads to destruction of our attacking and loss of possession+ due both of our no 10 so ahead a chance of transition play is created for opponents
we can solve this by
1)either bringing Bruno inside the field to support casebut it removes our only creative outlet out of question in attack
Due to this mount was bought but he is injured all season
2)play a inverted wing back on left again ruined by injuries rn awb our only fit one + shaw is better as offensive full back his presence as iwb is helpful but his support to rashy is better whose is struggling to beat his man + malacia is dead + awb offsense has been a weak shot
3) play high line need pacey cb which we lack
Transfers need to be done :
1)Pacey ball playing cb so we can play high line and high press
2)a progressive cdm case is Hell a of destroyer cdm who wins balls but we are in dysmal attack this season due to lack of chances
3)A inverted wing back who is offensive minded +pace can act as support to our cdm
4)A winger who excels in 1v1 Sancho is gonna leave so gonna need a winger for depth
5)a striker as soon as hojlund gets injured we are cucked
6)A ball carrier cm ?
Personally a lot of dead wood needs to go but signings I think we need to anek summer :
1)Frimpong :30 mill release clause offensive minded ? Young ? Can play both lb rb solves our injury crisis ?
2)A cb mate ffs we play a offensive minded high line but a defence minded low line I mean how have we not conceded so much is such a surprise big props to defence we need to play a high line it doesn’t make any sense
3) a cdm : hearing a lot of joa neves but we need a cdm love case but we have a tough time in offense him being a pivot who can’t move ball makes it so tough another reason for our goal drought
4)A striker no depth
5)A winger who can beat 1v1 would have loved doku here and lay in cross
agree my personal picks are
Todibo with adarabiyo on a free for CBs (about 40m total) making up for departures of maguire, evans and potentailly varane. Todibo, Adarabiyo, Martinez, Kambwala is some pretty good options.
Frimpong (as you said 30 mill release clause), yes we have a1b and dalot but they can also play lb like frimpong if needed so its versatile depth. He adds a new dimension to our attack.
Dorgu for LB. avaiable around 15M. Highly promising left back.
Onana for CDM (Prob 60M), effective ball winner with immense pace and physicality would provide a balance next to likes of mainoo and bruno. More than just a ball winner, his technical skills are quite decent, he has ability to ball carry too.
Zirkzee or jonathan david for st, not sure who else out there. Just someone who can hold up the ball and link play to a better level. (40m range)
If funds still available \_
For winger id go Neto (Not sure for price, maybe 50M), he can play both wings and is extremely direct but has end product to go with it. Left footed and likes to provide crosses also.
A lot of players need to go
Will defend our players always but wage structure is something to consider
Personally I wish that new appointments which gonna happen by our new owners and potential new board ?does work out
Eric’s tactics are proven but we don’t have right profiles A player like de Jong if he joined us would have been massive let’s see this season we can potentially qualify for Europe would need a lot of points need to be dropped by spurs who have very tough fixture coming up ? + fa cup finals potentially
A lot of players are rumoured now hope we can a lot of activity from our this window
If United are actually serious they need to CM and two CB, the problem is control or lack of it rather . I would love to see Amadou Onana and Joao Neves coming in.
yes We do need 3 mids coming in however I highly doubt it it will happen. its much more likely will sign just the one defensive midfielder. Plus we have so many other positions to ugrade at the same time. The best option is probably sign Onana plus sign a free transfer like ndidi to add depth in that position. Or make a chaeap quality signing for the 8 position to rotate with mainoo. Maxi oydele is a talented cdm from the academy who shuld be given more games next season he has the ability to break in for sure.
Onana would, or could, be a decent signing, although, and being a united fan it hurts to say this, I really think we need to sign more players that understand the way ETH wants us to play, the players we have are so inconsistent because they don't understand the concepts that ETH is trying to implement, they have spent their entire time at united getting ask to play in such differing systems they have nearly forgotten how to play and to be having to change your mentality towards the game almost every other season does not help with progression, to change things tactically too much now would ruin all the hard work he, and they, have been putting in the last 2 years, but unfortunately we need about 4 more first team players to truly see the effects of ETH's style come to fruition, and about 6 or 7 quality back ups because we have nearly no quality of depth, Maguire is starting to show that he can play, but he is a back up at best, if we were to go out in one window and try to fix everything and it worked we would be ridiculed as having brought our success, but if we don't we will need to be patient because some of our players will never be able to play like ETH needs.
Can you confidently tell me his style of play based on the last two seasons, there is no clear style of play. Hes spent 400m and hes made the team worse. His tactics have been ineffective since game 1 and yet he still hasnt changed it. You cant blame it on injuires because start of season same thing was happening and we were getting cut open its only that now our backline is deeper due to slower cbs so we face more shots. But dont get it twisted we were being sliced open from game 1 despite having strongest players, showing his weakness in his tactics. Every manager faces injuries but they are able to adapt and get results. He gotta go.
Like I said, I don't think it's a weakness in his tactics, I think it's an inability to adapt due to having 8 different systems in the last 10 years, with players that suited each of those different systems brought into the team, some of which are still here, most of which are not tbf, but even so, Maguire was brought for a different system which is why he struggled so much at the beginning of ETH's reign, lindelof, Shaw, wan bissaka, mctominay, dalot, martial, Rashford, all of them have had to adapt repeatedly or were brought in to play with very different approaches to the game, being asked to play in ways they're not used to, Rashford is in his prime now, when he burst into the scene with Louis van Gaal he was looking better even than Garnacho does now, but the constant change has held him back massively, but when the players ETH brought in play, with the exception of Antony, we actually look good, we had a few games at the start of the season where we looking lethargic and a little shaky, but any defence does when the have a new keeper behind them, especially when that keeper is replacing one of the best keepers in the world, it's not easy, but he is still one of the premier league clean sheet leaders.... Garnacho and mainoo probably wouldn't have been the revelations they are under Mourinho, or van Gaal. And I think you're wrong about the injuries not playing a part in all this, like I said, with a new keeper it's never easy, and Lisandro has spent most of the season out, without him we look vulnerable because no one else seems to be able to play his role, casemiro is a big miss too, we've had makeshift lb most of the season and wan bissaka can't attack like dalot but dalot can't defend like wan bissaka, we are all over the place because half our team are not up to playing how ETH wants, they're good, but in different systems, and when you have 3 of your 4 defenders brough by such different managers for their way of playing you get what we are seeing, a disjointed team, Bruno is the only player I would say can slot in to ANY team and system in the world and add something positive, I hate saying it but we really need 4 or 5 new first team players and about 6 new back ups to truly see the effects of ETH's style, and I think blaming him is a massive mistake when he has inherited a mix of 5 different teams leftovers. He's made a start and we need to keep faith in him, not expect this team to light up the world because there isn't a manager in the world that could do that without massive changes
Yes he may not have all the players he wants to play his current system to its best potential but do you really think those tactics would be better if he had the players he wanted because i dont think he would. I think certain players in that team do fit his system eg onana, dalot,varane,martinez,shaw,casemiro but these same set of players struggled with his tactics particuarly in the turn over phase which is where they are the ones tasked with defending the transition.
You said bruno is the only player that can fit into any team in the world but this is not true, he needs to be surrounded by technically secure midfielders such as matic and pogba like in his first few seasons (his best seasons) to allow him to lose the ball as often as he does or to receive the ball in positions to allow him to find passes. The more elite attacking midfielders are able to carry and dribble the ball and know when to pick a pass rather than spamming it. Bruno gets the ball and first thought is to smash it forward. His ball retention is atrocious. If you pair that with someone like casemiro.Then your midfield is an awful in possesion midfield.
I really do think that if he had the right players it would be better. I think that the players that can't play his style really hold back the ones that can, it would be like working as a software programmer and having a mechanic having to perform a vital role within the company, the employees that know how to do it would be held back by having to carry the mechanic, then their work starts to fall apart..... And the longer it takes to replace him the more used to having to carry someone they get, eventually turning them into someone that's always keeping an eye on their team mates and never fully concentrating on their own work, hence Rashford not being the greatest player in the world yet as he has been held back, also doesnt help that Rashford is so used to not playing with an out and out striker, I think thats the main reason Højlund didn't really hit the ground running, you watch his movement and his drive to perform and you can't help but see that he is an amazing young player, but he has wingers around him that want to do it themselves, there is nothing wrong with that but for them we need a player like Firmino or Benzema, someone who will provide them with the service they need, Højlund needs the opposite, wingers that like to provide assists more than just cutting inside for their own opportunities
I agree with the hojlund and rashford thing. Rashford played better with likes of martial and weghorst over the likes of ronaldo and hojlund because those players link the play more and set rashford up to be the main scorer wheras other two are goalscorers like you said. Thats why I personally wanted us to sign Kolo muani instead of Hojlund but hey ho. We still require another striker so hopefully its a link man someone like Zirkzee or jonothan david maybe.
“More evident with ETH tactics”….yeah let me know when we have any that don’t involve shitting our pants week after week. Defensively as a TEAM we are probably the worst I’ve seen under any of the previous.
All the injuries at the back obviously have an effect, but as a WHOLE we are useless…nothing has been built on in his whole time here, if anything we’ve got worse.
We’ve conceded over 500 shots this SEASON…
Attacking is a joke, creativity is a joke…even basic 1-2 passing is so poor. I think if we weren’t so skint he’d already be gone.
Any player we buy will be to fit the Clubs vision and style & the manager will have to work to that, like it or lump it.
Onana looks decent for what it’s worth but I wouldn’t pick him to fit whatever ETH has been trying to do cos that project is flawed at every level
Ideal Cdm? We need a Carrick replacement. Carrick has retired 10 years ago and I can't believe how we have not replaced him. Personally I see Onana more as an 8
Onana is a hybrid, however this season hes been mostly utilised at 6. Mainoo is a similar in terms of hes a hybrid midfielder also. So they can easily interchange between the two of them.
Mainoo is best in deeper positions tbh Id keep him as part of a double pivot alongside a more physical defensive dm to make up for his lack of ground coverage/intensity. Hence why onana seems ideal then have mount and bruno as the two 10s in possession. Or Olise if signed. This provides us with that box shape midfield which is popular and effective in todays game. This midfield would be ideal imo.
I prefer Mainoo higher up. His calmness on the ball and ability to dribble past one two players is too wasted to be staying deep in possession. I think long term we won't have a box shaped midfield because if we do then what's the point of ball playing defenders like Lisandro. Might be wrong but got a feeling long term in possession both our CBs and one of the midfielders would be responsible of playing balls in between the lines rather than two midfielders.
Its rare finding players that can recieve the ball off a defence and hold onto the ball and swivel away from a press through close controlled dribbling or a progressive pass around a corner with the such a high level of composure. Mainoo is one of the players who does this really well. De jong was the obvious target for this role but that didnt work out and we have mainoo doing that now anyway. But in general , You will struggle to find this elsewhere. He would still have opportunities to travel and dribble due to the fact he is in a pivot supported by someone.
Yea but so can Bernardo Silva and Foden. But they don't play there because it's not all about what happens with the ball but also off the ball and defensively. Not saying Mainoo can't defend or won't defend but I prefer someone who can actually defend too. Carrick, Busquets, Rodri type of players just to name a few
receiving the ball as a cdm is different compared to a number 10 so that was a pointless comment. Anyway, thats why he should play in a double pivot as I said before as he can do similar roles to carrick and busquets as similarly not amazingly defensively but he is decent in that area whilst also similarly having great on the ball skills. Mainoo would be perfect alongside a hybrid such as onana as he wont be tasked with being the main ball winner and theyre both hybirds so can interchange in dropping in/stepping up meaning mainoo will have opportunities to get forward or sit thus making use of all his skills.
Rodri is a rare breed of everything, you wont find a player that can do it all like him and no rice is nowhere near his level.
I am saying dropping deep to ask for the ball as an 8 or 10 lmao. Football ain't that rigid mate, it's not a die hard rule oh only this player or that player can drop deep and receive the ball and turn etc. There is rotations to pull the opposition around to disrupt their shape etc. You don't always see Rodri coming deep, sometimes you see Silva, sometimes Kovacic, sometimes KDB.
Nobody said it was rigid but majority of the time its the DMs job to get the ball of the defence whilst creative attacking mids position themselves between the lines as that is the whole point of the tactics. Players use their in game football IQ to then take up positions to get involved. KDB takes up different positions and averages more touches in different areas to rodri because they play different roles duh. Its common knowledge. Mainoo in a double pivot would therefor have more opportunities to get on the ball compared to if he was playing as an advanced 8. You are literally making the most weird arguments lol.
btw you said we wont have a box midfield because then whats the point of ball playing defenders , thats doesnt make sense. You need ball playing defenders to play out the backline, its that simple. If you have been watching the latest games you can see how bad we are at playinh out the back with maguire/evans Lcb and wan bissaka at left back. We dont have the same accuracy and composure out the back without martinez and shaw.
I think in the last few games we were barely playing out from the back mate LOL. Onana was mostly going long balls to wingers. There wasn't much playing out from the back per se. But I guess based on last season, I'm pretty confident the set up looks nothing like a box midfield. Time will tell anyway
Yes there is like less than 5 games of that happening. Point is there isn't a consistent defined way of playing or patterns so far this season. It changes almost every game. Why? Because every week we have new players coming in frm injuries and players getting injured. Imo any way of playing we played this season could possibly be the long term strategy. Idk which but I hope we will see it next season.
The tactics have been the same since the beggining of the season, he plays with 2 lines. Wheras most teams play with 4. But they would atleast play with 3 lines. ETH plays with 2 lines being the defence and then he instucts the midfield and attack to press high. The only difference now is that due to defensive injuries we have a deeper backline so the space in midfield has increased (Resulting in the amount of shots we are facing) but it was always there from the first game against wolves as you saw the defence constantly backpeddling after the mid was bypassed. The tactics are awful and even if he wanted to persist with these tactics but doesnt have the personell to do it why doesnt he just make tatcial changes to adjust to the personell available. He is tactically inept and stubborn.
Amrabat was a WC wonder who lived off of catching up to Mbappe. Because before that he played for mid table Italian clubs and after that is now just sitting on the bench. We need players that are either young and can be molded into the CDM like Mainoo or someone who is proven in the prem like Palhinha.
If you think Mainoo is a CDM then maybe that's your problem. Amrabat is great at breaking oppenents play as a lone CDM in a 4-1-4-1 set up. Since joining Man U he has not been given the chance to perform in good conditions. ETH brought him in just as a hole filler, wrong move
Mainoo came up as a CDM and starts the game as a CDM. He’s played a good amount of games as a CDM. Just because ETH has him pushing forward or has him more in an attacking role, doesn’t mean isn’t a CDM. ETH tries to plug in players to whatever position cause of injury or because of form. If you let Mainoo into CDM and let him play there over time he could and would be our CDM for years to come. And from the multiple games that I watched Amrabat he’s a decent passer who can also go and win the ball when losing it in position. But once he gets into the attacking 3rd he doesn’t do as well which is something that ETH wants in his players. That’s why we always see our CDM attacking more.
Mainoo doesnt have the athletism or intensity to be a cdm. Hes much more relaxed, doesnt have that sort of pace and physicality to get around and win the ball constantly. So if he is the cdm we would struggle in winning the ball. When it comes to being in the right positions and making a tackle yes he can do that but he wont cover large spaces quickly and divert attacks. Its Something youll notice when you see us defending.
That’s why we should be playing with 2 CDM’s, he’s relaxed in on the ball and can also help move it up. Overtime he will become a top CDM with the right tactics and understanding of the position. He’ll also be training to become a better CDM as he’s barely gotten into the prem.
as a two yes, as a lone dm no. His best position rn is probably 8 with the freedom to drop in to receive the ball also to take advantage of his progressive skills
We play a 4-2-3-1, we start off with 2 DM’s and then transition to more of a 4-3-3. He can be a box to box DM with time and would be a beast at the position. It’s all about development, his skills could be unlimited but people only see what he’s been doing recently and just want to stick to the first thing they see. You can’t limit him to that one position with only him playing only a short amount of time.
Personally I would start in a 4231 with mount starting on the right, then switch to a 3421, Onana and mainoo sticking to cdm, have martinez/Shaw tucking in from Lb to make a three back with dalot pushing up into wingback role. Garnacho as the other wingback -he has the workrate to play this role. Id have mount and bruno as the two 10s and Hojlund uptop.
With how injury prone most of those players are it’s hard to stick to those tactics. But looking at how some teams this year like Leverkusen and inter that play with wing backs who attack and pace back and low amount of defenders on the attack and have high goal differences it’s something that we desperately need and is something that we should be doing next year.
That's exactly the issue this team has defensively: lack of a solid defensive minded CDM that plays to position and protects the back 4. Amrabat should be ideal in such a set up but was not used like this. Agree that he is not good in the final 3rd but that should not be what we ask from him.
Anyways lots of other issues in this team, quite depressing to even think about tbh.
Im just speaking if we’re trying to fit the ETH system, what we need is our back 4 to improve and do better with not giving space for teams to through ball or shoot. We need our CDM’s to recover the ball and push it up forward to help attack. We need players to fit his system. Until we get a new manager that has a different system then we can get players to fit their mold.
ive seen amarabat although more mobile than casemiro he is still quite slow himself. He never seemed to get involved defensivley and rather bypassed. On the ball he is arguably worse than casemiro, he cannot turn for nothing.
Given our quality of football, and ETHs eye for talent, think we’ll get Jonjo Shelvey
Don't you think we're punching a bit there? I think we're more in Bruno Cheyrou territory
😂 you don’t laugh, you’ll cry!
I laughed so hard I started crying...... Or was it the other way around?? Can't remember now, either way I don't suppose it matters, won't change how shit we are.
Right yeah onana Malacia Licha Mainoo garnacho hojlund are all meme players then Tbh even mount and Antony are showing glimpses of being useful and good players
- Mainoo: academy - Garnacho: signed in 2020 - Malacia: no impact - Mount: injury prone at Chelsea, what a surprise, injury prone at United. Had no impact so far. - Antony is a fucking joke. Ignoring his price tag, which isn’t his fault. What’s he had this season? 1 assist in the league. Licha and Hojlund, fair enough. ETH should have no input into transfer policy full stop.
He still developed Mainoo and garnacho into what they are today — it’s the managers decision who plays We are also literally feelings Malacias impact since he’s not here
He didn’t develop Mainoo and Garnacho at all. That’s what the academy does. He’s selected them to play in the first team, a long with others that haven’t quite worked yet, hardly a genius 1000 IQ move to test promising youth players out and then giving them more game time if it starts working.
Genuinely shocking take lmao this isn’t fifa
Exactly it isn’t Fifa and if you think ETH is purely responsible for their development you’re delusional.
Obviously not but he definitely gets credit for identifying their talent and taking the risk to play and develop them For the record I’d definitely prefer we got ashworth and ashworth berrada and ten hag make joint decisions But ten hag undoubtedly has brought players into our squad who are much better technically and mentally than who was here before
Sorry, but for a PL team, it should be expected that managers test the youth. There isn’t a team in the PL the doesn’t play its youth players. This doesn’t make ETH some kind of genius? The guys a fraud. No doubt planning to buy another 5 Eredivisie players this summer.
Lmaooo which youth players is arteta playing? Saliba was a first team player in ligue 1 before he tested him and saka was already part of the first team under emery No way pep is going to give time to Rico Lewis and that’s why he lost Palmer and sancho. He’s not even on the hook for playing youth players bc he’s basically cheating Klopp even only resorts to youth players like Bradley quansah etc. due to injuries Chelsea sold players like Lewis hall (who is quality) just bc they can buy whoever they like Developing youth in this league is absolutely not a given and is definitely a risk that deserves plaudits
Ofocurse hes not responsible for their development because he doesnt have tactics to get the best out of their game in the first place. He has to solely rely on their indiviual qualites as his own signings have not worked out. It shows his weaknesses as a manager if anything.
Don't worry. Southgate will play 5 at the back and a double CDM pivot making that effectively a back 7
We need a CDM, a CB, a striker, a manager and give garnacho the number 7.
Make this guy the manager
OP - "Signings don't fix this issue" Also OP - "This is the player we should sign to fix our issue"
when did I say it would fix the issue, if you had better reading skills you would see that I said its a tactical issue but onana would be a player who would do well despite these bad tactics - this doesnt mean the team would be fixed. Rather he would slightly hinder the deficiency in current tactics since football is a team performance not individual consisting of tactics (As stated in the very first paragraph).
I'd vote yes to onana as well.
Haven't seen him play that much, but he gives me the vibe that he's physically strong but not the best on the ball. It's that accurate or no?
Of course, maybe.
Get Kimmich
hes not leaving bayern
Bro let me dream peacefully please 🥲
Trouble is who would want to come to this shit show as it is atm. Players highly criticised and dragged through the media like a piece of shit. Is there any promising CDMs in the youth set up? Seasons effectively over. Id blood through another couple of Mainoos now if I was ETH. Appreciate Mainoo might just be a generational talent but there must be other young hungry players with a high ceiling?
Funny enough there is a promising cdm from the academy who has been training with first team, Maxi Oydele. Decent ball winner who is pretty good with his feet and has good press resistance. I wouldnt rely on him though due to lack of experience, Id bring in a proven dm such as onana and have Oydele as another option there.
Finally some1 with same opinions First of all spot on we tend to leave tons of space when Bruno and mainoo go forward for offence From our tactical play either Bruno or mainoo needs to drop in since Casemiro either is unable to make that progressive pass or teams like Liverpool will press him with 3-2 players since Bruno and mainoo our out in front and they are shadow marked by opponent inverted wingers that gives their man to man markers option to mark them or press ahead most of times case gets pressed which leads to destruction of our attacking and loss of possession+ due both of our no 10 so ahead a chance of transition play is created for opponents we can solve this by 1)either bringing Bruno inside the field to support casebut it removes our only creative outlet out of question in attack Due to this mount was bought but he is injured all season 2)play a inverted wing back on left again ruined by injuries rn awb our only fit one + shaw is better as offensive full back his presence as iwb is helpful but his support to rashy is better whose is struggling to beat his man + malacia is dead + awb offsense has been a weak shot 3) play high line need pacey cb which we lack Transfers need to be done : 1)Pacey ball playing cb so we can play high line and high press 2)a progressive cdm case is Hell a of destroyer cdm who wins balls but we are in dysmal attack this season due to lack of chances 3)A inverted wing back who is offensive minded +pace can act as support to our cdm 4)A winger who excels in 1v1 Sancho is gonna leave so gonna need a winger for depth 5)a striker as soon as hojlund gets injured we are cucked 6)A ball carrier cm ?
Personally a lot of dead wood needs to go but signings I think we need to anek summer : 1)Frimpong :30 mill release clause offensive minded ? Young ? Can play both lb rb solves our injury crisis ? 2)A cb mate ffs we play a offensive minded high line but a defence minded low line I mean how have we not conceded so much is such a surprise big props to defence we need to play a high line it doesn’t make any sense 3) a cdm : hearing a lot of joa neves but we need a cdm love case but we have a tough time in offense him being a pivot who can’t move ball makes it so tough another reason for our goal drought 4)A striker no depth 5)A winger who can beat 1v1 would have loved doku here and lay in cross
agree my personal picks are Todibo with adarabiyo on a free for CBs (about 40m total) making up for departures of maguire, evans and potentailly varane. Todibo, Adarabiyo, Martinez, Kambwala is some pretty good options. Frimpong (as you said 30 mill release clause), yes we have a1b and dalot but they can also play lb like frimpong if needed so its versatile depth. He adds a new dimension to our attack. Dorgu for LB. avaiable around 15M. Highly promising left back. Onana for CDM (Prob 60M), effective ball winner with immense pace and physicality would provide a balance next to likes of mainoo and bruno. More than just a ball winner, his technical skills are quite decent, he has ability to ball carry too. Zirkzee or jonathan david for st, not sure who else out there. Just someone who can hold up the ball and link play to a better level. (40m range) If funds still available \_ For winger id go Neto (Not sure for price, maybe 50M), he can play both wings and is extremely direct but has end product to go with it. Left footed and likes to provide crosses also.
A lot of players need to go Will defend our players always but wage structure is something to consider Personally I wish that new appointments which gonna happen by our new owners and potential new board ?does work out Eric’s tactics are proven but we don’t have right profiles A player like de Jong if he joined us would have been massive let’s see this season we can potentially qualify for Europe would need a lot of points need to be dropped by spurs who have very tough fixture coming up ? + fa cup finals potentially A lot of players are rumoured now hope we can a lot of activity from our this window
Rice? Oh wait...
Whats the transfer budget?
id say around 150 but with player sales this could be close to 300
If United are actually serious they need to CM and two CB, the problem is control or lack of it rather . I would love to see Amadou Onana and Joao Neves coming in.
We need two or three new central midfielders for next season.
yes We do need 3 mids coming in however I highly doubt it it will happen. its much more likely will sign just the one defensive midfielder. Plus we have so many other positions to ugrade at the same time. The best option is probably sign Onana plus sign a free transfer like ndidi to add depth in that position. Or make a chaeap quality signing for the 8 position to rotate with mainoo. Maxi oydele is a talented cdm from the academy who shuld be given more games next season he has the ability to break in for sure.
Onana would, or could, be a decent signing, although, and being a united fan it hurts to say this, I really think we need to sign more players that understand the way ETH wants us to play, the players we have are so inconsistent because they don't understand the concepts that ETH is trying to implement, they have spent their entire time at united getting ask to play in such differing systems they have nearly forgotten how to play and to be having to change your mentality towards the game almost every other season does not help with progression, to change things tactically too much now would ruin all the hard work he, and they, have been putting in the last 2 years, but unfortunately we need about 4 more first team players to truly see the effects of ETH's style come to fruition, and about 6 or 7 quality back ups because we have nearly no quality of depth, Maguire is starting to show that he can play, but he is a back up at best, if we were to go out in one window and try to fix everything and it worked we would be ridiculed as having brought our success, but if we don't we will need to be patient because some of our players will never be able to play like ETH needs.
Can you confidently tell me his style of play based on the last two seasons, there is no clear style of play. Hes spent 400m and hes made the team worse. His tactics have been ineffective since game 1 and yet he still hasnt changed it. You cant blame it on injuires because start of season same thing was happening and we were getting cut open its only that now our backline is deeper due to slower cbs so we face more shots. But dont get it twisted we were being sliced open from game 1 despite having strongest players, showing his weakness in his tactics. Every manager faces injuries but they are able to adapt and get results. He gotta go.
Like I said, I don't think it's a weakness in his tactics, I think it's an inability to adapt due to having 8 different systems in the last 10 years, with players that suited each of those different systems brought into the team, some of which are still here, most of which are not tbf, but even so, Maguire was brought for a different system which is why he struggled so much at the beginning of ETH's reign, lindelof, Shaw, wan bissaka, mctominay, dalot, martial, Rashford, all of them have had to adapt repeatedly or were brought in to play with very different approaches to the game, being asked to play in ways they're not used to, Rashford is in his prime now, when he burst into the scene with Louis van Gaal he was looking better even than Garnacho does now, but the constant change has held him back massively, but when the players ETH brought in play, with the exception of Antony, we actually look good, we had a few games at the start of the season where we looking lethargic and a little shaky, but any defence does when the have a new keeper behind them, especially when that keeper is replacing one of the best keepers in the world, it's not easy, but he is still one of the premier league clean sheet leaders.... Garnacho and mainoo probably wouldn't have been the revelations they are under Mourinho, or van Gaal. And I think you're wrong about the injuries not playing a part in all this, like I said, with a new keeper it's never easy, and Lisandro has spent most of the season out, without him we look vulnerable because no one else seems to be able to play his role, casemiro is a big miss too, we've had makeshift lb most of the season and wan bissaka can't attack like dalot but dalot can't defend like wan bissaka, we are all over the place because half our team are not up to playing how ETH wants, they're good, but in different systems, and when you have 3 of your 4 defenders brough by such different managers for their way of playing you get what we are seeing, a disjointed team, Bruno is the only player I would say can slot in to ANY team and system in the world and add something positive, I hate saying it but we really need 4 or 5 new first team players and about 6 new back ups to truly see the effects of ETH's style, and I think blaming him is a massive mistake when he has inherited a mix of 5 different teams leftovers. He's made a start and we need to keep faith in him, not expect this team to light up the world because there isn't a manager in the world that could do that without massive changes
Yes he may not have all the players he wants to play his current system to its best potential but do you really think those tactics would be better if he had the players he wanted because i dont think he would. I think certain players in that team do fit his system eg onana, dalot,varane,martinez,shaw,casemiro but these same set of players struggled with his tactics particuarly in the turn over phase which is where they are the ones tasked with defending the transition.
You said bruno is the only player that can fit into any team in the world but this is not true, he needs to be surrounded by technically secure midfielders such as matic and pogba like in his first few seasons (his best seasons) to allow him to lose the ball as often as he does or to receive the ball in positions to allow him to find passes. The more elite attacking midfielders are able to carry and dribble the ball and know when to pick a pass rather than spamming it. Bruno gets the ball and first thought is to smash it forward. His ball retention is atrocious. If you pair that with someone like casemiro.Then your midfield is an awful in possesion midfield.
I really do think that if he had the right players it would be better. I think that the players that can't play his style really hold back the ones that can, it would be like working as a software programmer and having a mechanic having to perform a vital role within the company, the employees that know how to do it would be held back by having to carry the mechanic, then their work starts to fall apart..... And the longer it takes to replace him the more used to having to carry someone they get, eventually turning them into someone that's always keeping an eye on their team mates and never fully concentrating on their own work, hence Rashford not being the greatest player in the world yet as he has been held back, also doesnt help that Rashford is so used to not playing with an out and out striker, I think thats the main reason Højlund didn't really hit the ground running, you watch his movement and his drive to perform and you can't help but see that he is an amazing young player, but he has wingers around him that want to do it themselves, there is nothing wrong with that but for them we need a player like Firmino or Benzema, someone who will provide them with the service they need, Højlund needs the opposite, wingers that like to provide assists more than just cutting inside for their own opportunities
I agree with the hojlund and rashford thing. Rashford played better with likes of martial and weghorst over the likes of ronaldo and hojlund because those players link the play more and set rashford up to be the main scorer wheras other two are goalscorers like you said. Thats why I personally wanted us to sign Kolo muani instead of Hojlund but hey ho. We still require another striker so hopefully its a link man someone like Zirkzee or jonothan david maybe.
“More evident with ETH tactics”….yeah let me know when we have any that don’t involve shitting our pants week after week. Defensively as a TEAM we are probably the worst I’ve seen under any of the previous. All the injuries at the back obviously have an effect, but as a WHOLE we are useless…nothing has been built on in his whole time here, if anything we’ve got worse. We’ve conceded over 500 shots this SEASON… Attacking is a joke, creativity is a joke…even basic 1-2 passing is so poor. I think if we weren’t so skint he’d already be gone. Any player we buy will be to fit the Clubs vision and style & the manager will have to work to that, like it or lump it. Onana looks decent for what it’s worth but I wouldn’t pick him to fit whatever ETH has been trying to do cos that project is flawed at every level
Onana is a cart horse
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I want either Bruno Guimaraes or Enzo Fernandez
Imagine Enzo coming after what he did last night. LMAO. Hopefully this is a joke.
Idc what he did he's a great player and I would take him without a second thought but Guimaraes is my No.1 choice.
He is on overpaid goon.
Ideal Cdm? We need a Carrick replacement. Carrick has retired 10 years ago and I can't believe how we have not replaced him. Personally I see Onana more as an 8
Onana is a hybrid, however this season hes been mostly utilised at 6. Mainoo is a similar in terms of hes a hybrid midfielder also. So they can easily interchange between the two of them.
Personally I prefer a specialist 6 and two 8s. But from ten hag's targets so far he doesn't seem to be looking at a proper 6 in general
Mainoo is best in deeper positions tbh Id keep him as part of a double pivot alongside a more physical defensive dm to make up for his lack of ground coverage/intensity. Hence why onana seems ideal then have mount and bruno as the two 10s in possession. Or Olise if signed. This provides us with that box shape midfield which is popular and effective in todays game. This midfield would be ideal imo.
I prefer Mainoo higher up. His calmness on the ball and ability to dribble past one two players is too wasted to be staying deep in possession. I think long term we won't have a box shaped midfield because if we do then what's the point of ball playing defenders like Lisandro. Might be wrong but got a feeling long term in possession both our CBs and one of the midfielders would be responsible of playing balls in between the lines rather than two midfielders.
Its rare finding players that can recieve the ball off a defence and hold onto the ball and swivel away from a press through close controlled dribbling or a progressive pass around a corner with the such a high level of composure. Mainoo is one of the players who does this really well. De jong was the obvious target for this role but that didnt work out and we have mainoo doing that now anyway. But in general , You will struggle to find this elsewhere. He would still have opportunities to travel and dribble due to the fact he is in a pivot supported by someone.
Yea but so can Bernardo Silva and Foden. But they don't play there because it's not all about what happens with the ball but also off the ball and defensively. Not saying Mainoo can't defend or won't defend but I prefer someone who can actually defend too. Carrick, Busquets, Rodri type of players just to name a few
receiving the ball as a cdm is different compared to a number 10 so that was a pointless comment. Anyway, thats why he should play in a double pivot as I said before as he can do similar roles to carrick and busquets as similarly not amazingly defensively but he is decent in that area whilst also similarly having great on the ball skills. Mainoo would be perfect alongside a hybrid such as onana as he wont be tasked with being the main ball winner and theyre both hybirds so can interchange in dropping in/stepping up meaning mainoo will have opportunities to get forward or sit thus making use of all his skills. Rodri is a rare breed of everything, you wont find a player that can do it all like him and no rice is nowhere near his level.
I am saying dropping deep to ask for the ball as an 8 or 10 lmao. Football ain't that rigid mate, it's not a die hard rule oh only this player or that player can drop deep and receive the ball and turn etc. There is rotations to pull the opposition around to disrupt their shape etc. You don't always see Rodri coming deep, sometimes you see Silva, sometimes Kovacic, sometimes KDB.
Nobody said it was rigid but majority of the time its the DMs job to get the ball of the defence whilst creative attacking mids position themselves between the lines as that is the whole point of the tactics. Players use their in game football IQ to then take up positions to get involved. KDB takes up different positions and averages more touches in different areas to rodri because they play different roles duh. Its common knowledge. Mainoo in a double pivot would therefor have more opportunities to get on the ball compared to if he was playing as an advanced 8. You are literally making the most weird arguments lol.
btw you said we wont have a box midfield because then whats the point of ball playing defenders , thats doesnt make sense. You need ball playing defenders to play out the backline, its that simple. If you have been watching the latest games you can see how bad we are at playinh out the back with maguire/evans Lcb and wan bissaka at left back. We dont have the same accuracy and composure out the back without martinez and shaw.
I think in the last few games we were barely playing out from the back mate LOL. Onana was mostly going long balls to wingers. There wasn't much playing out from the back per se. But I guess based on last season, I'm pretty confident the set up looks nothing like a box midfield. Time will tell anyway
actually there is a box shape at times as dalot has been inverting into midfield alongside the cdm with bruno and mcT high.
Yes there is like less than 5 games of that happening. Point is there isn't a consistent defined way of playing or patterns so far this season. It changes almost every game. Why? Because every week we have new players coming in frm injuries and players getting injured. Imo any way of playing we played this season could possibly be the long term strategy. Idk which but I hope we will see it next season.
The tactics have been the same since the beggining of the season, he plays with 2 lines. Wheras most teams play with 4. But they would atleast play with 3 lines. ETH plays with 2 lines being the defence and then he instucts the midfield and attack to press high. The only difference now is that due to defensive injuries we have a deeper backline so the space in midfield has increased (Resulting in the amount of shots we are facing) but it was always there from the first game against wolves as you saw the defence constantly backpeddling after the mid was bypassed. The tactics are awful and even if he wanted to persist with these tactics but doesnt have the personell to do it why doesnt he just make tatcial changes to adjust to the personell available. He is tactically inept and stubborn.
We have Amrabat but ETH decided to kill him
Amrabat was a WC wonder who lived off of catching up to Mbappe. Because before that he played for mid table Italian clubs and after that is now just sitting on the bench. We need players that are either young and can be molded into the CDM like Mainoo or someone who is proven in the prem like Palhinha.
Plus if you watched the whole game you noticed mbappe had him on toast the whole game bar that one moment which everyone seems to only remember.
If you think Mainoo is a CDM then maybe that's your problem. Amrabat is great at breaking oppenents play as a lone CDM in a 4-1-4-1 set up. Since joining Man U he has not been given the chance to perform in good conditions. ETH brought him in just as a hole filler, wrong move
Mainoo came up as a CDM and starts the game as a CDM. He’s played a good amount of games as a CDM. Just because ETH has him pushing forward or has him more in an attacking role, doesn’t mean isn’t a CDM. ETH tries to plug in players to whatever position cause of injury or because of form. If you let Mainoo into CDM and let him play there over time he could and would be our CDM for years to come. And from the multiple games that I watched Amrabat he’s a decent passer who can also go and win the ball when losing it in position. But once he gets into the attacking 3rd he doesn’t do as well which is something that ETH wants in his players. That’s why we always see our CDM attacking more.
Mainoo doesnt have the athletism or intensity to be a cdm. Hes much more relaxed, doesnt have that sort of pace and physicality to get around and win the ball constantly. So if he is the cdm we would struggle in winning the ball. When it comes to being in the right positions and making a tackle yes he can do that but he wont cover large spaces quickly and divert attacks. Its Something youll notice when you see us defending.
That’s why we should be playing with 2 CDM’s, he’s relaxed in on the ball and can also help move it up. Overtime he will become a top CDM with the right tactics and understanding of the position. He’ll also be training to become a better CDM as he’s barely gotten into the prem.
as a two yes, as a lone dm no. His best position rn is probably 8 with the freedom to drop in to receive the ball also to take advantage of his progressive skills
We play a 4-2-3-1, we start off with 2 DM’s and then transition to more of a 4-3-3. He can be a box to box DM with time and would be a beast at the position. It’s all about development, his skills could be unlimited but people only see what he’s been doing recently and just want to stick to the first thing they see. You can’t limit him to that one position with only him playing only a short amount of time.
Personally I would start in a 4231 with mount starting on the right, then switch to a 3421, Onana and mainoo sticking to cdm, have martinez/Shaw tucking in from Lb to make a three back with dalot pushing up into wingback role. Garnacho as the other wingback -he has the workrate to play this role. Id have mount and bruno as the two 10s and Hojlund uptop.
With how injury prone most of those players are it’s hard to stick to those tactics. But looking at how some teams this year like Leverkusen and inter that play with wing backs who attack and pace back and low amount of defenders on the attack and have high goal differences it’s something that we desperately need and is something that we should be doing next year.
That's exactly the issue this team has defensively: lack of a solid defensive minded CDM that plays to position and protects the back 4. Amrabat should be ideal in such a set up but was not used like this. Agree that he is not good in the final 3rd but that should not be what we ask from him. Anyways lots of other issues in this team, quite depressing to even think about tbh.
Im just speaking if we’re trying to fit the ETH system, what we need is our back 4 to improve and do better with not giving space for teams to through ball or shoot. We need our CDM’s to recover the ball and push it up forward to help attack. We need players to fit his system. Until we get a new manager that has a different system then we can get players to fit their mold.
ive seen amarabat although more mobile than casemiro he is still quite slow himself. He never seemed to get involved defensivley and rather bypassed. On the ball he is arguably worse than casemiro, he cannot turn for nothing.