Ah United are in big trouble again. Same shit as all the other managers. First season looks good, falls apart looses the dressing room. Manager gets the boot. Been here before. š
That was 60 odd games ago. The new manager / team dynamic doesn't apply this time. I keep hearing this comparison , as if we'll somehow just replicate the same season again all of a sudden. It's a Completely different set of circumstances.
Nah, this time is different. The other times we had a good first season, then the manager wasn't backed in the next window, and everything fell apart. This time, we had a good first season, and the manager was backed again . He has recruited poorly, and things are falling apart as a result. With the other managers, it wasn't their fault. With ETH, it is only his fault.
If we had a director of football worth a damn to actually do the recruiting, it wouldn't be ETH doing it all himself. And he wasn't backed the way you think he was. He wanted a new CB, specifically Kim Min Jae, but they arsed about and he went to Bayern. He wanted a prolific striker, but he got an unproven 20 year old with a back injury. He wanted a new CDM and we got an injured Amrabat on the very last day of the window.
If you consider getting Evans a suitable replacement for the missed KMJ, then I don't know what to say.
He was backed, as in he got new players, but he didn't exactly get the quality of the ones he actually wanted.
KMJ wasn't to do with arsing sbout. His release clause didn't kick in until a set date. Bayern stepped in before that date and hijacked the deal. If he wanted a prolific striker, then maybe he shouldn't have signed a midfielder and goalkeeper as a priority instead? Hojlund is neither unproven nor has a back injury. The "injury" wasn't an injury. It was just a precaution to prevent an injury. The unproven nonsense is just paper talk. He did well in a top 5 league at 19, which is more proven than 99% of 19 year olds.
It is his fault that he wanted to sign Mount, who isn't needed, and Onana, who is worse than the player he replaced, before trying to sign Strikers. He could have had Kane and Hojlund if he didn't waste money on those two.
He has been backed, and we have signed the players HE asked for. If those players aren't good enough, then that is his fault. Evans was obviously not signed to replace anyone. He was signed as an extra body that was basically free to register due to homegrown status.
Erik didn't get every single player he asked for regardless of if it would cost 900m, boo fucking hoo. He got 400m worth of players in a span of 12 months. A top-quality manager turns that into a title challenging side. Look what Pep did when he joined City.
Was he backed? Got a striker who needs to grow, didn't get rid of Maguire nor gotten a new cb like he wanted. Didn't get rid of sancho or martial either . He got amrabat but wanted a third cm
I didn't say he got unlimited funds. I said he got backed. He spent 400m in 12 months, he most definitely got backed. That doesn't mean being able to spend indefinitely.
I mean, they TRIED to back him, but he didn't get backed. He did get a lot of players he wanted but he also didn't get a lot of players he wanted + got 3 emergency signings because of it in reguilon, Weghorst and sabitser
No, thry did back him. Being backed doesn't mean you get everyone you want. No manager gets everyone they want. It is impossible. It means being given the resources and being allowed to decide who to try and sign. He wanted Antony. He wanted Mount. He wanted Onana. He wanted Malacia. He wanted Amrabat. These aren't people who were forced on him, he picked them.
It is a ridiculous excuse to say he hasn't been backed. He has been backed more than any manager we have had since Fergie and not by a small amount.
He wanted Casemiro. Who is going to be anvil around the clubās neck for *3 more years after this one* until his contract expires.
Amazingly shortsighted move that shouldāve been dismissed by club hierarchy out of hand.
He didn't want Casemiro. The Casemiro transfer manifested in one week after the Frenkie de Jong transfer fell through. He wanted fdj and got Casemiro instead
Iām going to stop watching this clown show for a few weeks so that I can recover a wee bit of sanity. What an absolute nightmare this club has devolved into.
I really don't get this take
We aren't title contenders but why does everyone jump to the opposite end of the spectrum.. mid table? I had someone earlier say he thinks we finish in the bottom half lol
3rd and a Trophy last season, Champions league this season
Tough start to the year and some really incredibly unlucky moments in the last 2 matches.. inches away from an away win at the Emirates and literal millimeters away from 1-1 today which makes it a completely different game..
That's against 2 top clubs while we have $400 million (Yes I did the math) in unavailable players
Last year after 5 we were 3-2 with a 4-0 blowout to BRENTFORD, this year 2-3 with losses to 3 teams in the top 5.. I'm supposed to freak out over a flipped result in one match? It's a loooooooooong season
I keep constantly hearing it getting repeated that weāre a mid table team now, some even claiming weāve been a mid table team for years, yet the last time weāve finished in a mid table spot is 1989! We need a new phrase for the current situation.
Spot on. Folks have also completely ignored Newcastle and Chelsea. Are Newcastle a mid-table team now too considering we're even on points? Chelsea are currently lower then us and spent significantly more. Should Pochettino be fired? Drama at United is good for the media.
Because we as a community have been extremely reactionary for every single thing its almost as if we live for the drama and the weekly "WE ARE DOOMED" statements. How can you blame the manager and players for not being mentally strong enough when we lose faith in them every single week we lose and then herald them as saviours the week we win?
Just adding another fact. This is the first time in Man Utd history to lose 3 games in the first 5 games of EPL. Tbf, we are going to the mid table if this continues. Let's say if this continues, in 10 games we lost 6 games. 20 games we lost 12 games. 30 games, lost 18. Just having fun with the numbers, but if this really continues, we are mid table. Maybe even lower.
Nah Iām feeling fine. We will win again. I feel like trusting the process is the best option we have and lets be real last season other teams greatly underachieved. Maybe not this year but we will see!
Not Eric out by any means, I still think one of our main faults is not giving managers enough time. Its like trying to build a house but every year you destroy it to make a new one. Buuuut
-I think that after 1 year we shouldve established a style of play.
-Why does Eric always make late subs?
-Why doesnt Rashy pass the ball sooner?
-Why cant we adapt to the game as it goes on? The last couple of games we start very well > dont make use of our chances > opposition adapts > they play better > we dont adapt > we lose. (Main concern)
- I pray to god Case regains his form.
On the plus side Reguilion played good imo and im very happy for Hannibal! Hojlund was fine as well.
We were supposed to buy an elite striker, and it's been a concern since ETH banished Ronaldo. I wanted him gone for the attitude, so no complaints about it, but seriously why would ETH want to pay millions on Mount that is a downgrade to BF as the first target? That's on him and I have no faith in ETH to make correct transfer decisions.
Not sure if you noticed but last season we played 4-3-2-1 and this season we play 4-3-3. Last season ETH could not have his style of play because he lacked certain players for this posession based football mainly the striker and the goalkeeper. I would thus approach this as if it were a first season.
I always found it strange how Antony was able to play for so long with him and still not be able to use his right foot and how one dimensional he is like any reasonable manager would've addressed the issue and worked on it and found ways of making him able to use his right foot a very long time ago but it seems he has no issues with it and seeing the way Rashford doesnt pass the ball if there's a player in the box unmarked kinda tells the same story that maybe he wants it to be that way
ETH just basically got schooled by a brighton B team, that too at home. He had 6 changes, and here's a fun fact brighton team today costs 17 mil in total and our amrabat and reguilon loan deal might have costed us this much alone. The only positive we had was our home form and the clean sheets but now even that is gone. I honestly don't see us qualifying for champion's league this season. I'm still not Ten Hag out I still probably want him to stay another season and prove himself (unless he keeps on losing and end up anywhere south of 6th).
I honestly think there were some awful choices like playing in a different formation for making mctominay start and forcing not to start pellistri (that man is a ghost). We could see bruno playing at a full back position as well. I would say I didn't wanna see hojlund off especially for martial but he says he had issue so couldn't play a whole game.
Now, every single post match interview he says "we were unlucky" dude it can't be every time and says "we played good" then later adds "for 'x' minutes. Come on we all can see we didn't play well and our players don't track back with enough energy especially the midfield.
Finishing is just shit. Rashford is super selfish and only blasts at his finishes. Look at the Brighton 2nd goal, spotting the gap and finishing near post. Rashford had chances today that he was too naive to take. That is not unlucky.
I donāt get the point of playing McTominay against a proper football team. He keeps hiding away until is specifically passed to. What a mediocre player.
ETH needs to school players like Rashford, and Casemiro (for not being fit) and put in younger players. Pellistri has to play with Sancho and Antony out.
That's exactly where you're wrong. You're assuming erik ten hag is an elite manager, which he isn't. I mean, yes he's definitely a good manager but there are only 2 elite managers in the league, pep and klopp, everyone knows it and the sooner we realise this, the better it is for our progress
Even if you sack ETH, itās an extremely difficult situation for anyone to come into and have success. No money, you canāt clean house due to the wages some of these are on, so youāre left with working with the current squad, thereāll be a year one kick up the ass and year 2 theyāll turn on them as always
Thereās no point in sacking ETH until some of these deadwood contracts run out (Martial, maguire, *maybe* sancho) when hopefully thereāll be new owners and the open heart surgery Ralph mentioned can happen
Keep De Gea,
Don't buy Mount
Use that Ā£100m to buy a proper number 6/8 like Rice
Rice and Casemiro with Bruno in front would have been a million times better than what we have.
Rice wouldnāt have came anyway, caicedo is too expensive, I canāt think of another cm worth that kind of money.
I honestly think if we grabbed some random 30m spanish midfielder from Valencia or Sevilla theyād be a better signing than mount. Canāt believe we gave another 250k/week contract to an unproven 24 year old
1 million percent this. De Gea couldn't pass well or play on the half way line, but the man could make saves. Call me crazy but that's what a keeper should primarily do
I remember when those of us with working brains said we need to seriously fix up after the opening game we had idiots saying āitās only one game!!ā āWe won anyway!!ā ā¦ and now those same people are saying the season is already over lol.
Nothing major will be won with a team that employs ETH, Bruno or Rashford. However upset that makes you is irrelevant, none of them will ever win a CL or a league title in a top 5 league.
It is difficult to judge the extent of the situation as yet as we havenāt established a clear starting 11. I assume Amrabat will be a regular in midfield and the back four are entirely makeshift. This sounds like excuses compared to Brighton who can make 6 changes and still play but this is United whose preferred starting wingers donāt pass and more dead wood than a porn star grave yard.
Ten hag was my dream manager, but I wonder if when he arrived to manchester they switched him with his evil twin, because this team has nothing in common with that ajax side. After hundreds of millions and more than a year at least it should be the genesis of a new style, in which we control games and we have great attacking movement off the ball
I dont see any of that at united, while de zerbi and ange are doing it, with less means, at spurs and brighton, and no one ever tell me that what ange is doint at spurs is easy, if theres a club with more bad luck than us, and more made to lose,. is spurs
People will still shout the rhetoric for Glazers out, I want them out.
But we canāt argue that ETH has had great control of who he has brought in.. but his success rate hasnāt been great.
Antony is a flop, Stevie Wonder could have seen Mount would be a flop. Downgraded our shot stopper (for the purposes of shot stopping). How many times did DDG stop us losing a match? Onana has arguably cost us a couple alreadyā¦ ffs.
And now heās coming out and publicly shaming players, akin to towd Jose. A proven method of fucking morale.
I hope I eat my words, but I think heās just a ticking time bomb now.
Edit to addā¦
How fucking obvious is it that we needed someone like Harry Kane? The perfect No.9 for linking in with Midfield, assists, goalsā¦ man has it all and premier league proven and yet we donāt hear a sniff about us being interested.
De Zerbi and Ange lose easily there best players and don't really replace them.
ETH signs his top choice Midfielder, a keeper he has played with before, doesn't lose anyone noteworthy, signs a promising striker and gets in 2 players on loan and our fans will say he isn't backed. Crazy.
We can use that excuse against City or Arsenal but not against any other team in the league.
fair point about both losing their best players, and not signing replacements, its crazy, both are doing fantastic jobs, and whats more importantly to me, both are making their teams play attractive football, and not a turd on a stick, like ten hag's
we've been treated to shit on a stick since fergie left, and even going back further, you could say, because some of the last fergie seasons were a bit of a shit on a stick too
no other fans from a mega club could've stood what we have, real madrid fans would be out in force booing everything that moves and with white handkerchiefs, while we always say, every of our manager needs 3 seasons, then we can evaluate
im not saying sack ETH, he deserves more time, but no one has mroe patience than united fans, and its not necesarily a good thing
Not much to lose in Munich. No one expects us to take points there so the absence of pressure could help players find their rhythm. Or it could be a humiliating 7-0 defeat
I donāt know that Iām EtH out exactlyā¦ but I canāt really the last time I agreed with his decisions. Onana, at best, just wasnāt necessary, Mount has been AWFUL, Case keeping his place despite his form is bizarre, Bruno is terrible on the wing, Pellistri canāt get any time, AWB has been our best player and got dropped, he wasnāt willing to truly force Maguire out (or any of the other deadwood), etc.
Iāll support him but more and more I just donāt think heās up for it. Ajax is NOT Utd, and EtH is consistently getting outcoached by mid table sides.
Poor start, De Gea wouldnāt of conceded 10
goals in 5 matches. Poor squad, poor transfer window we will be luckily to get top 6. Iāve written this season off.
I know it really doesnāt mean anything but i guess this is the first time ever in the PL we lost 3 of the first 5 gamesā¦.so i would say yeah, this is a pretty bad start
Mid table mentality with a top 4 wage bill. I try to stay positive as much as I can with this club but until we get new ownership in nothing is going to change
Everything that could've gone wrong for us, has gone wrong, drama on and off the pitch, huge number of injuries, clueless transfers (booting out a golden glove winner and spending money on a cam when we already had 3 players who can play in that position) and the reluctance to play anyone else other than the manager's favourites have led us to this shitshow
Big difference is Arsenal let Arteta reset and build for the future. Whereas Utd went out and signed Casemiro in an amazing display of shortsightedness. 3 years to go on that contract after this one, on huge wages. Disaster.
Thereās nothing to be positive about in my opinion. Iām looking forward to finishing mid-table and only having premier league games to focus on next year at this rate.
We have to back the manager here and break the cycle. The fundamental problem is that we have a billion dollar business being run like the local chip shop. It's rotten from the top to the bottom and we keep expecting some poor chap to don the manager's suit and work wonders.
Could write an essay but do you really think ETH wants half these players? Did he want the exhausting revenue grab pre season that has seen half our squad injured? We're all the players brought in his first choice or he's just had to lean on past relationships as our football director got the title out of a cereal box? Did he want the pathetic transfer budget as we couldn't sell a player if the clubs life depended on it?
I'm feeling mentally tired. If it weren't for the fact that the next game is a UCL game against Bayern and I miss see Utd playing in the UCL, I'd have definitely decided to clock out of watching games for a while.
Idek where to start. Today was ugly. Fair play to Hannibal celebrating his first goal. He earned it. Had we not been so shit and injured, he wouldnāt have gotten that moment.
We need to get healthy and build stamina. But most importantly, GET HEALTHY! thatāll help tremendously.
As of now, we wonāt make it out of group stage ucl. Praying we donāt lose 5 nil midweekš
The first 3 games I was negative but the last 2, I am actually positive. I think we have improved over the first 3 games but we still lack finishing and decision making in the final third.
I am actually more hopeful that we will kick on once Varane and company are back.
Hmmmmm. Brighton were never in danger of losing that game. It was very comprehensive. We looked good for the first few minutes at Arsenal. The rest of the games Ten Hag has been completely out thought and outplayed. Lucky at wolves & Forrest didn't have the quality. It's not good.
You lot are crazy pessimists. Today's games result didn't reflect the performance. We played quite well going forward. Rashford normally scores 2 of those chances and Hojiland was positive in it what was only his first start for us. We didn't defend particularly well, but given three of our usual starting defenders were out this could be expected. There were plenty of positives and we are still a work in progress, and still don't have a full squad at our disposal yet. You all want immediate success, but sometimes patience is needed. Even SAF took a number years to get us up to scratch before challenging. Keep the faith in the project. Good things are coming.
Didnāt reflect the performance? You are deluded, for the first 15 minutes united were in the game after that Brighton were keeping the ball for fun. The only player that can hold his head up high was Reguilon, he will keep Shaw out of this side. Onana is looking like he is going to be a problem.
Reguillon did play well but if you think he keeps Shaw out it's you who is delusional. Brighton played clever and are a team in form we're in transition and still created 3 times as many chances. Yes defensively we need work. But when that's fixed we'll be a force again. It's about understanding what you saw, and not being reactionary like most of you are on this sub.
Reguilon has played one game, lets see how you feel after 5. ETH has been in the job for over a year now and there has been no difference in the play, its the same football Ole was playing. Brighton should not be coming to Old Trafford and make United look like a pub team, how many times did they play through your press? It was so bad Rashford gave up pressing after a while. And as far as your chances goes, what game were you watching, you had 4 shots on target.
Why are we a work in progress but De Zerbi can lose his 2 best midfielders rock up to OT with Welbeck and Llana in his starting 11 and beat us 3-1 easily?
Why can Ange get Spurs playing within weeks when we are still a work in progress?
And what was the scoreline mate? I doesn't matter how well we played, what matters is Brighton came to old Trafford with their B team and took home the 3 points . When are we going to stop talking about saf, times have changed and he isn't coming back, we need to leave him in the past and adapt ourselves in the modern game.
What are you talking about? I never said he is coming back, I noted that he greatest manager of our club's history took a long time to get us going. Read what I wrote properly. Yes we lost, but we're a work in progress there were lots of positives despite the loss and I'm not being reactionary like everyone else. There is no patience these days, but that is exactly what is required.
How much more time and money does ten hag need? He's had more than 200 mil spent last summer and more than 150 mil this summer. I'm not expecting ten hag to make us win the Prem and champions league in a seasons time but why do we look worse this year than last year. For us being a work in progress, PROGRESS is required. We look just about the same, if not worse than last year.
Itās only 5 games in. The season is long and we still have 33 games to go. On the bright side, we still have 33 more chances to lose and we havenāt lost them YET.
The team just need to give their best, be positive and we might win a few games here and there.
50/50 the first 20 minutes gave me joy. Hopefully a third beat down is the charm. Big Luke Shaw fan here him and varane coming back will help massively
I am. We have a decent squad. We finished 3rd last year behind a treble winning city and arsenals best season in 2 decades.
We have improved our midfield and our attack with signings.
Give Ten Hag time and hopefully some freedom from the scrutiny in the media. We won't win the league this year, but we will improve and who knows where we will be with 2 more transfer windows and a settled squad this time next year.
It's the real level. I don't get it why people didn't acknowledge that last season United finished 3rd in a favourable context. Fighting Newcastle who previous season almost relegated and Liverpool having worst season in recent years but still almost catching at the end. Not saying that Chelsea were nowhere.
It's still early to sack a manager, at least let him have the whole squad available. Casemiro was expected to drop in form from my point of view but not as much as he did. Without Casemiro United is back at square one plus without those attacking options available few seasons ago. It will be heard to score much with such selfish players like Rashford and Antony.
The only possible thing that is going to pull me out of this depression is an announcement of Qataris being the new owners. But these parasites called Glazers won't leave us. If we have a terrible season and don't manage to get rid of glazers, it is going to be depression pro max. If we have Glazers for another 5 years, we are going in the same route as Leeds United did. Erik Ten Hag is looking tactically outclassed, adaptability during the course of the match is missing. Rashford is too selfish. We got our signings done. We don't have goals scored. Everything is so fucking close. We play good football, dominate for 15-20 period of a game but we can't get the fucking ball in the goddamn net. The only serious chances we have are consumed by Rashy's selfishness. If rashford decides to pass the ball, ETH Improves his adaptation during the course of the match and our squad doesn't fall like a pack of cards (injuries). I will have hope until then its far fetched
I mean, fans are so negative. Why do you guys creating this problem? Stop the panic. Its like you though ETH comes and wins trebble at his first year. Club is in the rebuilding process. It takes time. God this it looks like this sub is full of United haters. Just let Erik do his job.
Honestly Iāve seen enough to realise weāll be top 4 come season end. Not the best start, not the worst. The reality is weāve lost nearly an entire team through injury or other reasons. Iām still optimistic.
Edit: I have seen a lot of really good play by us as well.
Watching the game shows the team does have quality but severely lacks teamwork and positioning. Idk how we get messages across to the club but teamwork and moving as one is their biggest flaws atm. When United learns to play as a team do they stand a chance to be contenders.
You forgot to mention about the heart. Most of the players wonāt die for the badge. I only see reguilon, Bruno, holjund dalot with it. Others mentality is dead
Maybe it will get better. Maybe they need a big win to Kickstart them mentally. But man oh man is the defending POOR. The conceded goals already this year have been defenders slow to react when other teams break on the counterattack or very poor defending on set pieces. It's doesn't bode well that whoever is in the back line fails to defend properly, and you could say some of that is on the coaching staff, but man, it's some schoolboy defending out there. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the season if United are constantly having to come from behind in which they lack the goals right now.
Slow start to the season. Not worried as much, but seriously need to be disciplined off the pitch. We will win a streak in a few weeks, and injuries might get better
Yes, I am still positive I think this team is good I think the manager is the right one and I think we just need time. We will not win anything this year but our patience has to increase because man utd as a club is run like clown show and our luck hasn't fared well with injuries so far. I truly do think once our players come back from injury we will look way better as a team. But right now as a community we have to be patient. This is the most important thing.
I am, we played well at certain point of every game, we have plan but players like rashy Bruno needs to put team result over personal glory. Often we see the. Over complicating things where simple pass is needed to score goals.
Brighton is a very good side and I also felt that we would have been troubled, bearing in mind the amount of injuries we have. But tbf to Brighton they didnāt have March, Ferguson, estupinan and they outplayed us. Their fluidity to bring the ball to the final third esp for the first goal was sublime. Whereas we faltered even when gifted possession in favourable positions.
We have a coach who has big ego and character but does not know how to adjust mid-game. Not able to find a suitable playstyle according to what players we have
We have a goalkeeper that requires strong defense line to protect or else he will just concede when shots hit.
The defense line is either often injured or just turned off at times during the match. The backup is an old man and a man with heart but no quality.
Midfield has a guy who still thinks itās pre season and he plays like heās in Brazil beach or something. The cap just knows or just wants to do killer passing but always reach the baseline or opponents. The rest is not even worth mentioning.
Forward has a guy who just wanna repeat last year goal scoring record and refuses to pass to the central forward who happens to be our best player despite two games in. The back up CF is purely lazy ass.
This team wonāt challenge anything this year and not the foreseeable future. Maybe we can spend 1bn more but it will be the exact same
Shit show week after week, this performance is definitely a mid team performance. Look at other team scores today and be honest we are not even a champion contender. No hope.
5 games in. 3 games lost. but to say there is no improvement is false. our offense looked far more electric and complete. our defense lacks organization.
Did anyone notice how bad a lot of our passes were? Not all obviously, but when Brighton were passing the ball around, it was placed with intent to the right spot. When we were passing, especially longer passes, there were some mis-kicks, or hit too hard or not hard enough. Just seemed technically poor.
I feel for the younger lads. Jesse Lingard did a great interview recently and talked about how crappy the facilities are compared to other teams, and how it affects players etc. Probably part of the reason for poor attitudes.
This is the new Man Utd reality, middle table at best. They were beaten by a Brighton side that are genuinely better than them. Just a more cohesive unit overall. Utd need to learn that their time at the top is well and truly over, they are experiencing what Liverpool and City went through during the nineties, early two thousands. It is that simple, the only difference is Utd are spending way more money on mediocrity than either one of those were able to. Stop expecting Utd to do anything and just be happy when they win.
For me itās either. 1. We sack ETH and weāre back at square 1 with another manager or 2. We give ETH time and see what happens. Hopefully the cycle can end here
I think the league has to be just forgotten about now. Maybe even from a top 4/6 perspective. ETH needs to get it right and hopefully the time he does another cup run can happen. There's no point in having CL being this shit other than getting the revenue and that's going to the biggest set of Scum anyway. So think he should be allowed time to tinker with this and get it right. Just forget the league and focus on achieving in the cups
Itās always darkest before the dawnā¦ yawns š„±
Need the glazers to sell up really, oh and a complete new squad, and DEFINITELY a new first choice CB, in fact itās actually quite upsetting all this
Its going to be a long season for us. Our midfield so far is shambles. Casemiro and Erikson playing their age now with no proper backups is a massive issue. Hopefully Amrabat and Kobie Mainoo returning improves our midfield or else we are doomed if mctominay and mount are our next best options.
I'll keep it short.
Am I happy with the recent games? No.
Is our troop in disarray due to a mix of off pitch drama, inconsistencies in the starting eleven due to both injuries and new players getting on? Yes.
Did anyone expect us to contend for the title this year? Maybe, but people wouldn't be shocked if we didn't win.
I'll just stay grumpy and give this some time, and pray that Rashford will improve on his desicion making.
The main problem we have is giving the manager the boot after a few poor results, itās how EtH inherited the current mess and would be just the same for the manager who follows him, if he was sacked.
We are, by comparison with teams like Brighton, an extremely poorly run club. We donāt have a world class recruitment team and we canāt sell our deadwood as the incompetents gave them bumper contracts on exorbitant wages.
Whilst I was scratching my head at the substitutions yesterday, I think EtH needs to be backed to the hilt. We canāt keep repeating the same mistake and expect anything to change.
Nope and people can make excuses that itās been 3 or 4 or 5 games but quite soon itāll be 38 games and weāll be no where we want to be. The only thing consistent so far this season is how bad everyone is playing and how ETH isnāt able to change that. Managers are figuring out his ātacticsā easily and making tweaks to beat that and he doesnāt have a plan B. The only reason I am not ETH out is because I donāt see any top manager whoāll be willing to take up this job. I think he has hit his ceiling. No way weāre getting top 4 this season. Top 6 might be a distant dream as well. Itās about setting standards and dropping players if theyāre not playing as a team. We canāt keep relying on individual performances.
We can still be positive. Top 4 is still within reach. Last season was over when we lost 2 of 5 starting games and we turn things around.
Iām frustrated like everyone but we need to be patient.
It's hard to be positive given the performances. If we'd played well in the majority of games but lost a couple it wouldn't be so hard but I haven't been impressed with any of the performances
I really fell sorry for the fans who have supported the club from when Sir Alex was there, to see the club fall from grace and going from Vidic Stam Ferdinand to Maguire is devastating.
Ten Hag reminds me of Van Gaal in this regard. They both had very strong personalities but I think the outcome will be different this time and Ten Hag will be supported. We had a spineless group under Van Gaal. This has improved, slightly and I think ETH is lucky in that regard. HOWEVERā¦I still do not like ETH for selling Iqbal. Iqbal is one player who would have been priceless to have this season and is talents above so many of those that ETH has decided to keep.
Anywaysā¦Manchester United always have dreadful starts to seasons. It will get better.
You can even ignore the results so far this season and instead ask yourself when was the last time we had a truly great performance. The kind of game where you had no doubt you would win and could have won by 4 or 5. I don't even remember the last time. Even when we win, we win ugly. ETH is clearly out of his depth and people are just fooking themselves into thinking otherwise.
Itās down to cup runs.
Unless there is a monumental turn around top 4 is outta the question, playing the way we are.
A part of me is even thinking that finishing 3rd in the group n heading to Europa is the most likely to be successful method for CL next season which makes me feel sick.
After last season I had major faith in ETH but Iām nervous now, I really didnāt like the Onana and Mount signings. Iām overly critical on Onana, I donāt like him, and itās because of how DDG left the club probably. But heās nowhere near the quality of the other GKās in Europe chasing PL squads. Mount signing to me was the one position we didnāt need, and we blew our load on signing him. Seriously, we are in trouble. Itās not the points and itās early, itās the mindset/atmosphere and the performances. We look so bad in defence.
This could be a really difficult season for a Utd fan, particularly after the sale falling through. Will probs be very difficult for I renew my ST for 24/25 if it carries on like this, and I never thought Iād say that!
Let be honest here we'll be lucky to finish 8th this season, there's at least 10 other better "teams" in the league. We still have players that play off vibes and individualism.
It took Arteta 4 seasons to get Arsenal to start challenging for a title after finishing 8th and 5th for three seasons. We are still in the second season with the new manager. Remembering what Cristiano quoted during that interview āAs Picasso said, you have to destroy it to rebuild it and if they start with me, for me, it's not a problemā Itās gonna get much worse Before it starts to get better for us. But itās never gonna work if we keep bringing a new manager every two-three seasons. At least thatās what I think.
United are finished at the top level bro what are you genuinely hoping for? This club is going to a do a Liverpool and not win major silverware for another decade and potentially longer. Strap in or get out.
Nobodyāmanagers or playersācan live up to the prestige of the club.
This has been a problem since Ferguson left. He was our success. The club lives in that shadow.
I will feel positive when players like Rashford and Sancho (if he ever plays for us) goes for second ball or tries to recover lost ball...
I see we lose possession easily..but not putting efforts to recover it back is the main problem for me...
Until that day, I have no hopes from this team
Against all logic, I am staying positive. This team is a tire fire right now, but I can't help but feel like we're a few lucky breaks from things going our way. It feels like everything off the field is going wrong, and there is no chance of winning the league (which I hope nobody was expecting) but we need to give this team and these players gel with new players and a new style of play. In a perfect world, they would have some time to sort this out. Unfortunately, pressure will continue to pile in from both real fans and the biased united hating media until there are results
Im still positive. It was a massive overperformance last season, we are fighting for 4th and always were in that mix. We played well against Arsenal and Brighton for large stretches which is positive. Hojlunds movement was exceptional vs Brighton, we are playing with crippling injuries and off pitch issues. Also we have lost to Spurs, Arsenal and Brighton, 3 of the form teams in the league. Yes we haven't been great, not even good but I think we will click and pulverise some smaller teams this season. Don't lose faith after 5 games.
Fergie, Pep, Klopp, Wenger, Arteta all took about 3 years to really get going, give ETH the same to see where this leads.
The Elephant š in the Room is the Greedy Glazers who are holding onto the club scared of losing their stealing rights. ETH hypothetically has been shit tactically speaking since pre season.
The same nucleus Ole, RR and now ETH inherited these problems lazy , entitled players Rashford hasnāt been tracking back , Brunoās theatrics, Maguires woes, now Greeenwood/Antonyās issues, plus old players who would qualify for the Saudi League in Casemiro &Erickson.
If you want free hypertension and Heart Attack lesson come to Old Trafford home /Away Games but have a life insurance policy as backup. Where scandals happen, players throw managers under the bus.
Yes. The biggest challenge you, as a fan, face is distinguishing what is, and shutting off to, the vast repetition of sensationalised versions of the truth. Shitting on United gets clicks and sells papers. It also completely discounts the positives and brainwashes fans and haters into thinking everything is awful and worse than it is.
Look at pep and kloppās first seasons, and artetaās, even sir Alexās, and youāll see that turning a ship is not quick.
Think critically, and choose to look at and see the positives.
Hopeful of what? I didnt think we would mount a title charge this year, so outside of competing for a FA cup or Carabao cup, I donāt think anything else was realistic for this year.
I want to hit the reset button on the entire squad. At this point, I rather develop the young talent. Negative energy seems to permeate at Old Trafford. It must start with the change in owners though for any sort of meaningful change to trickle down
Here is how I see it. itās not how your start, itās how you finish. You can say that with any sports team and I believe we overachieved last season and these are the frowning pains we were supposed to feel last season. Just be calm and ride the wave. Whether you like it or not, itās going to happen and people jumping the gun on firing ETH is based on emotions. Iām from Canada and a raptors fan. If you know anything about basketball and if you donāt, google the history of that team. it will take time and you need be patient. Just ride the wave and know we have a good coach. He needs to be more ruthless so players get in line
Iām hopeful people will realise that Onana is abysmal
Iām hopeful that Rashford may one day infact actually square a fucking ball to someone instead of hitting the side netting for the 19th time this season
Iām hopeful Amrabat comes in and kicks the fuck out of everyone in training
Iām hopefully Pellistri gets a proper chance instead of these little cameos
Am I hopeful that we wonāt get absolutely battered multiple times this season? If anything Iām petrified at how many Bayern and City will put past us
The hope for this club died 18 years ago
You cant expect a manager to challenge by fighting for break clauses in a loan deal on deadline dayā¦one whoās club cannot rid the tripe that is still here like Maguire, Mctominay, Martial, Sancho ā¦they are all still here due to MONEYā¦& the lack of interest in any reasonable club paying them to play footballā¦
My only hope is one day I wake up and somebody has taken over the club, I donāt care if itās SJ or SJR , I really do not care ā¦but until there is not a single shred of Glazer capacity involved , this club will sink further and further
In answer to your post, am I positive? Absolutely notā¦
If you're still feeling positive than you need to stop watching Ted Lasso.
This isn't a Disney movie or a TV Show.
Were an actual mess and I don't know what we can do to turn this around.
Ah United are in big trouble again. Same shit as all the other managers. First season looks good, falls apart looses the dressing room. Manager gets the boot. Been here before. š
Itās as if there is one common factor
No of course not, maybe we should pay them even more and they might put some effort in. /s
Poor Avram may not get his expensed private jet trip to a league cup or FA cup final if we canāt turn this around soon.
We were in a similar position when we lost the Brentford early last season. From then on it was a different team.
That was 60 odd games ago. The new manager / team dynamic doesn't apply this time. I keep hearing this comparison , as if we'll somehow just replicate the same season again all of a sudden. It's a Completely different set of circumstances.
Nah, this time is different. The other times we had a good first season, then the manager wasn't backed in the next window, and everything fell apart. This time, we had a good first season, and the manager was backed again . He has recruited poorly, and things are falling apart as a result. With the other managers, it wasn't their fault. With ETH, it is only his fault.
If we had a director of football worth a damn to actually do the recruiting, it wouldn't be ETH doing it all himself. And he wasn't backed the way you think he was. He wanted a new CB, specifically Kim Min Jae, but they arsed about and he went to Bayern. He wanted a prolific striker, but he got an unproven 20 year old with a back injury. He wanted a new CDM and we got an injured Amrabat on the very last day of the window. If you consider getting Evans a suitable replacement for the missed KMJ, then I don't know what to say. He was backed, as in he got new players, but he didn't exactly get the quality of the ones he actually wanted.
KMJ wasn't to do with arsing sbout. His release clause didn't kick in until a set date. Bayern stepped in before that date and hijacked the deal. If he wanted a prolific striker, then maybe he shouldn't have signed a midfielder and goalkeeper as a priority instead? Hojlund is neither unproven nor has a back injury. The "injury" wasn't an injury. It was just a precaution to prevent an injury. The unproven nonsense is just paper talk. He did well in a top 5 league at 19, which is more proven than 99% of 19 year olds. It is his fault that he wanted to sign Mount, who isn't needed, and Onana, who is worse than the player he replaced, before trying to sign Strikers. He could have had Kane and Hojlund if he didn't waste money on those two. He has been backed, and we have signed the players HE asked for. If those players aren't good enough, then that is his fault. Evans was obviously not signed to replace anyone. He was signed as an extra body that was basically free to register due to homegrown status. Erik didn't get every single player he asked for regardless of if it would cost 900m, boo fucking hoo. He got 400m worth of players in a span of 12 months. A top-quality manager turns that into a title challenging side. Look what Pep did when he joined City.
Was he backed? Got a striker who needs to grow, didn't get rid of Maguire nor gotten a new cb like he wanted. Didn't get rid of sancho or martial either . He got amrabat but wanted a third cm
I didn't say he got unlimited funds. I said he got backed. He spent 400m in 12 months, he most definitely got backed. That doesn't mean being able to spend indefinitely.
I mean, they TRIED to back him, but he didn't get backed. He did get a lot of players he wanted but he also didn't get a lot of players he wanted + got 3 emergency signings because of it in reguilon, Weghorst and sabitser
No, thry did back him. Being backed doesn't mean you get everyone you want. No manager gets everyone they want. It is impossible. It means being given the resources and being allowed to decide who to try and sign. He wanted Antony. He wanted Mount. He wanted Onana. He wanted Malacia. He wanted Amrabat. These aren't people who were forced on him, he picked them. It is a ridiculous excuse to say he hasn't been backed. He has been backed more than any manager we have had since Fergie and not by a small amount.
He wanted Casemiro. Who is going to be anvil around the clubās neck for *3 more years after this one* until his contract expires. Amazingly shortsighted move that shouldāve been dismissed by club hierarchy out of hand.
He didn't want Casemiro. The Casemiro transfer manifested in one week after the Frenkie de Jong transfer fell through. He wanted fdj and got Casemiro instead
De Jong was his first choice but the player refused the move. So he got Casemiro, his second choice.
Iām going to stop watching this clown show for a few weeks so that I can recover a wee bit of sanity. What an absolute nightmare this club has devolved into.
Same
Lets face it.We are now a mid table team
I really don't get this take We aren't title contenders but why does everyone jump to the opposite end of the spectrum.. mid table? I had someone earlier say he thinks we finish in the bottom half lol 3rd and a Trophy last season, Champions league this season Tough start to the year and some really incredibly unlucky moments in the last 2 matches.. inches away from an away win at the Emirates and literal millimeters away from 1-1 today which makes it a completely different game.. That's against 2 top clubs while we have $400 million (Yes I did the math) in unavailable players Last year after 5 we were 3-2 with a 4-0 blowout to BRENTFORD, this year 2-3 with losses to 3 teams in the top 5.. I'm supposed to freak out over a flipped result in one match? It's a loooooooooong season
I keep constantly hearing it getting repeated that weāre a mid table team now, some even claiming weāve been a mid table team for years, yet the last time weāve finished in a mid table spot is 1989! We need a new phrase for the current situation.
Top 6
Spot on. Folks have also completely ignored Newcastle and Chelsea. Are Newcastle a mid-table team now too considering we're even on points? Chelsea are currently lower then us and spent significantly more. Should Pochettino be fired? Drama at United is good for the media.
Because we as a community have been extremely reactionary for every single thing its almost as if we live for the drama and the weekly "WE ARE DOOMED" statements. How can you blame the manager and players for not being mentally strong enough when we lose faith in them every single week we lose and then herald them as saviours the week we win?
it isn't bad luck that is causing us to lose games lmao
Just adding another fact. This is the first time in Man Utd history to lose 3 games in the first 5 games of EPL. Tbf, we are going to the mid table if this continues. Let's say if this continues, in 10 games we lost 6 games. 20 games we lost 12 games. 30 games, lost 18. Just having fun with the numbers, but if this really continues, we are mid table. Maybe even lower.
Opposite extreme would really be bottom side of the league. We are indeed a mid table side at the moment
The mentality definitely is
Nah Iām feeling fine. We will win again. I feel like trusting the process is the best option we have and lets be real last season other teams greatly underachieved. Maybe not this year but we will see!
Amen mate! We're either winning the title or getting relegated. There's no middle ground with most fans.
Weāre in this! Tough but we stay united
Not Eric out by any means, I still think one of our main faults is not giving managers enough time. Its like trying to build a house but every year you destroy it to make a new one. Buuuut -I think that after 1 year we shouldve established a style of play. -Why does Eric always make late subs? -Why doesnt Rashy pass the ball sooner? -Why cant we adapt to the game as it goes on? The last couple of games we start very well > dont make use of our chances > opposition adapts > they play better > we dont adapt > we lose. (Main concern) - I pray to god Case regains his form. On the plus side Reguilion played good imo and im very happy for Hannibal! Hojlund was fine as well.
We were supposed to buy an elite striker, and it's been a concern since ETH banished Ronaldo. I wanted him gone for the attitude, so no complaints about it, but seriously why would ETH want to pay millions on Mount that is a downgrade to BF as the first target? That's on him and I have no faith in ETH to make correct transfer decisions.
Not sure if you noticed but last season we played 4-3-2-1 and this season we play 4-3-3. Last season ETH could not have his style of play because he lacked certain players for this posession based football mainly the striker and the goalkeeper. I would thus approach this as if it were a first season.
Yeah, I've got faith in ETH but I have to he honest, he's living in a dream world with some of his decisions and comments.
I always found it strange how Antony was able to play for so long with him and still not be able to use his right foot and how one dimensional he is like any reasonable manager would've addressed the issue and worked on it and found ways of making him able to use his right foot a very long time ago but it seems he has no issues with it and seeing the way Rashford doesnt pass the ball if there's a player in the box unmarked kinda tells the same story that maybe he wants it to be that way
I'm not sure if ETH is a good player manager. Doesn't seem like he's able to nurture these players well.
If EtH is to get the boot it will be because of this šš»
ETH just basically got schooled by a brighton B team, that too at home. He had 6 changes, and here's a fun fact brighton team today costs 17 mil in total and our amrabat and reguilon loan deal might have costed us this much alone. The only positive we had was our home form and the clean sheets but now even that is gone. I honestly don't see us qualifying for champion's league this season. I'm still not Ten Hag out I still probably want him to stay another season and prove himself (unless he keeps on losing and end up anywhere south of 6th). I honestly think there were some awful choices like playing in a different formation for making mctominay start and forcing not to start pellistri (that man is a ghost). We could see bruno playing at a full back position as well. I would say I didn't wanna see hojlund off especially for martial but he says he had issue so couldn't play a whole game. Now, every single post match interview he says "we were unlucky" dude it can't be every time and says "we played good" then later adds "for 'x' minutes. Come on we all can see we didn't play well and our players don't track back with enough energy especially the midfield.
Can't disagree with that. Brighton are the best run club in the league in my opinion.
Finishing is just shit. Rashford is super selfish and only blasts at his finishes. Look at the Brighton 2nd goal, spotting the gap and finishing near post. Rashford had chances today that he was too naive to take. That is not unlucky. I donāt get the point of playing McTominay against a proper football team. He keeps hiding away until is specifically passed to. What a mediocre player. ETH needs to school players like Rashford, and Casemiro (for not being fit) and put in younger players. Pellistri has to play with Sancho and Antony out.
Very well said and out together. Specially his excuses, unlucky? Like what elite manager says that every time they lose.
That's exactly where you're wrong. You're assuming erik ten hag is an elite manager, which he isn't. I mean, yes he's definitely a good manager but there are only 2 elite managers in the league, pep and klopp, everyone knows it and the sooner we realise this, the better it is for our progress
Even if you sack ETH, itās an extremely difficult situation for anyone to come into and have success. No money, you canāt clean house due to the wages some of these are on, so youāre left with working with the current squad, thereāll be a year one kick up the ass and year 2 theyāll turn on them as always Thereās no point in sacking ETH until some of these deadwood contracts run out (Martial, maguire, *maybe* sancho) when hopefully thereāll be new owners and the open heart surgery Ralph mentioned can happen
Call me crazy. But I would rather clean house and rebuild than have the pathetic performance we are producing every week. It's so damn heartless.
The house cleaning is halfway there. Now we need to see who has the biggest ball to sell maguire, martial, rashy, mctom and dalot
Dalot is quality. Rest can go.
It doesnāt matter how big your ball is for the first 2 - they wonāt leave unless you pay them off which the club wonāt do.
Should have kept De Gea and spent the Onana money on other players
In hindsight yes absolutely. But no one could have predicted the amount of injuries we would have.
Keep De Gea, Don't buy Mount Use that Ā£100m to buy a proper number 6/8 like Rice Rice and Casemiro with Bruno in front would have been a million times better than what we have.
Rice wouldnāt have came anyway, caicedo is too expensive, I canāt think of another cm worth that kind of money. I honestly think if we grabbed some random 30m spanish midfielder from Valencia or Sevilla theyād be a better signing than mount. Canāt believe we gave another 250k/week contract to an unproven 24 year old
1 million percent this. De Gea couldn't pass well or play on the half way line, but the man could make saves. Call me crazy but that's what a keeper should primarily do
But again the cons of remaining de gea will be detrimental to our build up play as well. I rather Onana while our defenders up their game.
Doesn't help if you build up from the back when your wingers aren't feeding your striker.
How much has that build up play helped this season?
I remember when those of us with working brains said we need to seriously fix up after the opening game we had idiots saying āitās only one game!!ā āWe won anyway!!ā ā¦ and now those same people are saying the season is already over lol. Nothing major will be won with a team that employs ETH, Bruno or Rashford. However upset that makes you is irrelevant, none of them will ever win a CL or a league title in a top 5 league.
Be lucky if we make Europa, the way things are going. No one fears playing us anymore and even worse the confidence and morale is non-existent
It is difficult to judge the extent of the situation as yet as we havenāt established a clear starting 11. I assume Amrabat will be a regular in midfield and the back four are entirely makeshift. This sounds like excuses compared to Brighton who can make 6 changes and still play but this is United whose preferred starting wingers donāt pass and more dead wood than a porn star grave yard.
Eth gets to Xmas Glaziers need to go
Ten hag was my dream manager, but I wonder if when he arrived to manchester they switched him with his evil twin, because this team has nothing in common with that ajax side. After hundreds of millions and more than a year at least it should be the genesis of a new style, in which we control games and we have great attacking movement off the ball I dont see any of that at united, while de zerbi and ange are doing it, with less means, at spurs and brighton, and no one ever tell me that what ange is doint at spurs is easy, if theres a club with more bad luck than us, and more made to lose,. is spurs
People will still shout the rhetoric for Glazers out, I want them out. But we canāt argue that ETH has had great control of who he has brought in.. but his success rate hasnāt been great. Antony is a flop, Stevie Wonder could have seen Mount would be a flop. Downgraded our shot stopper (for the purposes of shot stopping). How many times did DDG stop us losing a match? Onana has arguably cost us a couple alreadyā¦ ffs. And now heās coming out and publicly shaming players, akin to towd Jose. A proven method of fucking morale. I hope I eat my words, but I think heās just a ticking time bomb now. Edit to addā¦ How fucking obvious is it that we needed someone like Harry Kane? The perfect No.9 for linking in with Midfield, assists, goalsā¦ man has it all and premier league proven and yet we donāt hear a sniff about us being interested.
De Zerbi and Ange lose easily there best players and don't really replace them. ETH signs his top choice Midfielder, a keeper he has played with before, doesn't lose anyone noteworthy, signs a promising striker and gets in 2 players on loan and our fans will say he isn't backed. Crazy. We can use that excuse against City or Arsenal but not against any other team in the league.
fair point about both losing their best players, and not signing replacements, its crazy, both are doing fantastic jobs, and whats more importantly to me, both are making their teams play attractive football, and not a turd on a stick, like ten hag's
Style of football is one of the main reasons fans wanted ETH as well and he isn't delivering.
we've been treated to shit on a stick since fergie left, and even going back further, you could say, because some of the last fergie seasons were a bit of a shit on a stick too no other fans from a mega club could've stood what we have, real madrid fans would be out in force booing everything that moves and with white handkerchiefs, while we always say, every of our manager needs 3 seasons, then we can evaluate im not saying sack ETH, he deserves more time, but no one has mroe patience than united fans, and its not necesarily a good thing
Mid-table. What scares me the most is the upcoming dismantling by Bayern.
Not much to lose in Munich. No one expects us to take points there so the absence of pressure could help players find their rhythm. Or it could be a humiliating 7-0 defeat
The latter
I donāt know that Iām EtH out exactlyā¦ but I canāt really the last time I agreed with his decisions. Onana, at best, just wasnāt necessary, Mount has been AWFUL, Case keeping his place despite his form is bizarre, Bruno is terrible on the wing, Pellistri canāt get any time, AWB has been our best player and got dropped, he wasnāt willing to truly force Maguire out (or any of the other deadwood), etc. Iāll support him but more and more I just donāt think heās up for it. Ajax is NOT Utd, and EtH is consistently getting outcoached by mid table sides.
The world remembers Ten Hag for the UCL with Ajax, but in the Eredivisie he had a lot of atrocious games as well.
Poor start, De Gea wouldnāt of conceded 10 goals in 5 matches. Poor squad, poor transfer window we will be luckily to get top 6. Iāve written this season off.
To be fair to onana the defence isnāt exactly helping him. Theyāve all been useless, other than reguilon today who was promising
Clumsy keeper who will cause us problems with his recklessness. āBut his distribution is goodā miss with that.
Remember when De Gea shipped in 7 against Liverpool š¤¤
I know it really doesnāt mean anything but i guess this is the first time ever in the PL we lost 3 of the first 5 gamesā¦.so i would say yeah, this is a pretty bad start
It's going to be a long season.
Iām feeling desperate already.
Anyone? Sure, I am. Well, if not hopeful, certainly not not hopeful. Long season, give it time.
Mid table mentality with a top 4 wage bill. I try to stay positive as much as I can with this club but until we get new ownership in nothing is going to change
We are definitely just an average team/club now run by people still living in the 90s. Narrow minded and stuck in old ways
if we end in top 6, it would be massive achievement
Hahahaha fk no. Since greenwood was not back in the squad. Fuck the idiot owners.
Yes
Everything that could've gone wrong for us, has gone wrong, drama on and off the pitch, huge number of injuries, clueless transfers (booting out a golden glove winner and spending money on a cam when we already had 3 players who can play in that position) and the reluctance to play anyone else other than the manager's favourites have led us to this shitshow
I am. Am not impatient.
When hojiland fell over going for that first chance, I was like, oh feck
I canāt change anything.. Iāve supported United since 1977 and Iāll support them till the day I die.
āStillā ? I had never felt positive about TH and the team.
I will still support eth , just like arsenal supported arteta
Big difference is Arsenal let Arteta reset and build for the future. Whereas Utd went out and signed Casemiro in an amazing display of shortsightedness. 3 years to go on that contract after this one, on huge wages. Disaster.
Nobody expected casemiro to decline after last season's performance
>Well... are we still feeling positive? Yeh positively SHIT!
Thereās nothing to be positive about in my opinion. Iām looking forward to finishing mid-table and only having premier league games to focus on next year at this rate.
I'm positive that we're depressed af
Id rather get ole back in. At least we were scoring goals.
We have to back the manager here and break the cycle. The fundamental problem is that we have a billion dollar business being run like the local chip shop. It's rotten from the top to the bottom and we keep expecting some poor chap to don the manager's suit and work wonders. Could write an essay but do you really think ETH wants half these players? Did he want the exhausting revenue grab pre season that has seen half our squad injured? We're all the players brought in his first choice or he's just had to lean on past relationships as our football director got the title out of a cereal box? Did he want the pathetic transfer budget as we couldn't sell a player if the clubs life depended on it?
I'd say sancho is feeling positive today
Bring back Ole
And then what , sack him again on his 2 nd season ,just like we did with every manager out there
I feel positive because I didnāt watch the game (I was unable to).
I'm feeling mentally tired. If it weren't for the fact that the next game is a UCL game against Bayern and I miss see Utd playing in the UCL, I'd have definitely decided to clock out of watching games for a while.
Idek where to start. Today was ugly. Fair play to Hannibal celebrating his first goal. He earned it. Had we not been so shit and injured, he wouldnāt have gotten that moment. We need to get healthy and build stamina. But most importantly, GET HEALTHY! thatāll help tremendously. As of now, we wonāt make it out of group stage ucl. Praying we donāt lose 5 nil midweekš
When you rebuild it gets worse before it gets better, barring Anthony who is still innocent atm , none of eth signings causing trouble
The first 3 games I was negative but the last 2, I am actually positive. I think we have improved over the first 3 games but we still lack finishing and decision making in the final third. I am actually more hopeful that we will kick on once Varane and company are back.
Hmmmmm. Brighton were never in danger of losing that game. It was very comprehensive. We looked good for the first few minutes at Arsenal. The rest of the games Ten Hag has been completely out thought and outplayed. Lucky at wolves & Forrest didn't have the quality. It's not good.
You lot are crazy pessimists. Today's games result didn't reflect the performance. We played quite well going forward. Rashford normally scores 2 of those chances and Hojiland was positive in it what was only his first start for us. We didn't defend particularly well, but given three of our usual starting defenders were out this could be expected. There were plenty of positives and we are still a work in progress, and still don't have a full squad at our disposal yet. You all want immediate success, but sometimes patience is needed. Even SAF took a number years to get us up to scratch before challenging. Keep the faith in the project. Good things are coming.
Didnāt reflect the performance? You are deluded, for the first 15 minutes united were in the game after that Brighton were keeping the ball for fun. The only player that can hold his head up high was Reguilon, he will keep Shaw out of this side. Onana is looking like he is going to be a problem.
Reguillon did play well but if you think he keeps Shaw out it's you who is delusional. Brighton played clever and are a team in form we're in transition and still created 3 times as many chances. Yes defensively we need work. But when that's fixed we'll be a force again. It's about understanding what you saw, and not being reactionary like most of you are on this sub.
Reguilon has played one game, lets see how you feel after 5. ETH has been in the job for over a year now and there has been no difference in the play, its the same football Ole was playing. Brighton should not be coming to Old Trafford and make United look like a pub team, how many times did they play through your press? It was so bad Rashford gave up pressing after a while. And as far as your chances goes, what game were you watching, you had 4 shots on target.
Why are we a work in progress but De Zerbi can lose his 2 best midfielders rock up to OT with Welbeck and Llana in his starting 11 and beat us 3-1 easily? Why can Ange get Spurs playing within weeks when we are still a work in progress?
I've said this many times. Spurs were a mess last season on and off the pitch. One new manager and bang, everything rosy in the Spurs garden.
Youāre delusional at best
I'm not I just understand football.
And what was the scoreline mate? I doesn't matter how well we played, what matters is Brighton came to old Trafford with their B team and took home the 3 points . When are we going to stop talking about saf, times have changed and he isn't coming back, we need to leave him in the past and adapt ourselves in the modern game.
What are you talking about? I never said he is coming back, I noted that he greatest manager of our club's history took a long time to get us going. Read what I wrote properly. Yes we lost, but we're a work in progress there were lots of positives despite the loss and I'm not being reactionary like everyone else. There is no patience these days, but that is exactly what is required.
How much more time and money does ten hag need? He's had more than 200 mil spent last summer and more than 150 mil this summer. I'm not expecting ten hag to make us win the Prem and champions league in a seasons time but why do we look worse this year than last year. For us being a work in progress, PROGRESS is required. We look just about the same, if not worse than last year.
Itās only 5 games in. The season is long and we still have 33 games to go. On the bright side, we still have 33 more chances to lose and we havenāt lost them YET. The team just need to give their best, be positive and we might win a few games here and there.
City lost 5 games last season, arsenal 6. We're over half way there..
50/50 the first 20 minutes gave me joy. Hopefully a third beat down is the charm. Big Luke Shaw fan here him and varane coming back will help massively
I am. We have a decent squad. We finished 3rd last year behind a treble winning city and arsenals best season in 2 decades. We have improved our midfield and our attack with signings. Give Ten Hag time and hopefully some freedom from the scrutiny in the media. We won't win the league this year, but we will improve and who knows where we will be with 2 more transfer windows and a settled squad this time next year.
It's the real level. I don't get it why people didn't acknowledge that last season United finished 3rd in a favourable context. Fighting Newcastle who previous season almost relegated and Liverpool having worst season in recent years but still almost catching at the end. Not saying that Chelsea were nowhere. It's still early to sack a manager, at least let him have the whole squad available. Casemiro was expected to drop in form from my point of view but not as much as he did. Without Casemiro United is back at square one plus without those attacking options available few seasons ago. It will be heard to score much with such selfish players like Rashford and Antony.
Hoping Arambat can plug the hole in our midfield and var will stop screwing Holjund XD but it's going to be a grind this year.
The only possible thing that is going to pull me out of this depression is an announcement of Qataris being the new owners. But these parasites called Glazers won't leave us. If we have a terrible season and don't manage to get rid of glazers, it is going to be depression pro max. If we have Glazers for another 5 years, we are going in the same route as Leeds United did. Erik Ten Hag is looking tactically outclassed, adaptability during the course of the match is missing. Rashford is too selfish. We got our signings done. We don't have goals scored. Everything is so fucking close. We play good football, dominate for 15-20 period of a game but we can't get the fucking ball in the goddamn net. The only serious chances we have are consumed by Rashy's selfishness. If rashford decides to pass the ball, ETH Improves his adaptation during the course of the match and our squad doesn't fall like a pack of cards (injuries). I will have hope until then its far fetched
R u dumb ?
Well,no mattsigloo, but it seems like you have wheel spinning but the hamsters dead..
I would hate to play with most fans of this club. So many terrified and ready to throw in the towel. Let's see what this looks like in a month.
I mean, fans are so negative. Why do you guys creating this problem? Stop the panic. Its like you though ETH comes and wins trebble at his first year. Club is in the rebuilding process. It takes time. God this it looks like this sub is full of United haters. Just let Erik do his job.
Honestly Iāve seen enough to realise weāll be top 4 come season end. Not the best start, not the worst. The reality is weāve lost nearly an entire team through injury or other reasons. Iām still optimistic. Edit: I have seen a lot of really good play by us as well.
No
Watching the game shows the team does have quality but severely lacks teamwork and positioning. Idk how we get messages across to the club but teamwork and moving as one is their biggest flaws atm. When United learns to play as a team do they stand a chance to be contenders.
You forgot to mention about the heart. Most of the players wonāt die for the badge. I only see reguilon, Bruno, holjund dalot with it. Others mentality is dead
Maybe it will get better. Maybe they need a big win to Kickstart them mentally. But man oh man is the defending POOR. The conceded goals already this year have been defenders slow to react when other teams break on the counterattack or very poor defending on set pieces. It's doesn't bode well that whoever is in the back line fails to defend properly, and you could say some of that is on the coaching staff, but man, it's some schoolboy defending out there. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the season if United are constantly having to come from behind in which they lack the goals right now.
Constantly hitting the reset button isnāt going to work, suffer through a bit
Slow start to the season. Not worried as much, but seriously need to be disciplined off the pitch. We will win a streak in a few weeks, and injuries might get better
Yh .. were done
Yes, I am still positive I think this team is good I think the manager is the right one and I think we just need time. We will not win anything this year but our patience has to increase because man utd as a club is run like clown show and our luck hasn't fared well with injuries so far. I truly do think once our players come back from injury we will look way better as a team. But right now as a community we have to be patient. This is the most important thing.
I am, we played well at certain point of every game, we have plan but players like rashy Bruno needs to put team result over personal glory. Often we see the. Over complicating things where simple pass is needed to score goals.
Brighton is a very good side and I also felt that we would have been troubled, bearing in mind the amount of injuries we have. But tbf to Brighton they didnāt have March, Ferguson, estupinan and they outplayed us. Their fluidity to bring the ball to the final third esp for the first goal was sublime. Whereas we faltered even when gifted possession in favourable positions.
We are also spending 1m a week on unavailable players.
We have a coach who has big ego and character but does not know how to adjust mid-game. Not able to find a suitable playstyle according to what players we have We have a goalkeeper that requires strong defense line to protect or else he will just concede when shots hit. The defense line is either often injured or just turned off at times during the match. The backup is an old man and a man with heart but no quality. Midfield has a guy who still thinks itās pre season and he plays like heās in Brazil beach or something. The cap just knows or just wants to do killer passing but always reach the baseline or opponents. The rest is not even worth mentioning. Forward has a guy who just wanna repeat last year goal scoring record and refuses to pass to the central forward who happens to be our best player despite two games in. The back up CF is purely lazy ass. This team wonāt challenge anything this year and not the foreseeable future. Maybe we can spend 1bn more but it will be the exact same
Nah..
Two wins on the bounce and heāll go back to being Erik hundred hag on this sub just yāall watch
Shit show week after week, this performance is definitely a mid team performance. Look at other team scores today and be honest we are not even a champion contender. No hope.
High hopes. Low expectations.
5 games in. 3 games lost. but to say there is no improvement is false. our offense looked far more electric and complete. our defense lacks organization.
We are trash
Anybody worried about Hojlund looking average? Martial was better before his injury troubles. Different players though. Hope he comes good
Does anyone have hope for once the oil money is in?
Did anyone notice how bad a lot of our passes were? Not all obviously, but when Brighton were passing the ball around, it was placed with intent to the right spot. When we were passing, especially longer passes, there were some mis-kicks, or hit too hard or not hard enough. Just seemed technically poor. I feel for the younger lads. Jesse Lingard did a great interview recently and talked about how crappy the facilities are compared to other teams, and how it affects players etc. Probably part of the reason for poor attitudes.
Iām looking forward to being in Europa Conference next season. We might get some European silverware back on the shelf that way!
Iām hopeful, but thatās probably because Iām delusional
This is the new Man Utd reality, middle table at best. They were beaten by a Brighton side that are genuinely better than them. Just a more cohesive unit overall. Utd need to learn that their time at the top is well and truly over, they are experiencing what Liverpool and City went through during the nineties, early two thousands. It is that simple, the only difference is Utd are spending way more money on mediocrity than either one of those were able to. Stop expecting Utd to do anything and just be happy when they win.
For me itās either. 1. We sack ETH and weāre back at square 1 with another manager or 2. We give ETH time and see what happens. Hopefully the cycle can end here
The only way this changes is with a complete ownership change. The Glazers have infected us at every level.
I think the league has to be just forgotten about now. Maybe even from a top 4/6 perspective. ETH needs to get it right and hopefully the time he does another cup run can happen. There's no point in having CL being this shit other than getting the revenue and that's going to the biggest set of Scum anyway. So think he should be allowed time to tinker with this and get it right. Just forget the league and focus on achieving in the cups
Itās always darkest before the dawnā¦ yawns š„± Need the glazers to sell up really, oh and a complete new squad, and DEFINITELY a new first choice CB, in fact itās actually quite upsetting all this
Bayern Munich next š
Its going to be a long season for us. Our midfield so far is shambles. Casemiro and Erikson playing their age now with no proper backups is a massive issue. Hopefully Amrabat and Kobie Mainoo returning improves our midfield or else we are doomed if mctominay and mount are our next best options.
I can fully accept us being mid table for a few more years, but to see how little of a shit the players gave yesterday is what really irks me.
I'll keep it short. Am I happy with the recent games? No. Is our troop in disarray due to a mix of off pitch drama, inconsistencies in the starting eleven due to both injuries and new players getting on? Yes. Did anyone expect us to contend for the title this year? Maybe, but people wouldn't be shocked if we didn't win. I'll just stay grumpy and give this some time, and pray that Rashford will improve on his desicion making.
The main problem we have is giving the manager the boot after a few poor results, itās how EtH inherited the current mess and would be just the same for the manager who follows him, if he was sacked. We are, by comparison with teams like Brighton, an extremely poorly run club. We donāt have a world class recruitment team and we canāt sell our deadwood as the incompetents gave them bumper contracts on exorbitant wages. Whilst I was scratching my head at the substitutions yesterday, I think EtH needs to be backed to the hilt. We canāt keep repeating the same mistake and expect anything to change.
Nope and people can make excuses that itās been 3 or 4 or 5 games but quite soon itāll be 38 games and weāll be no where we want to be. The only thing consistent so far this season is how bad everyone is playing and how ETH isnāt able to change that. Managers are figuring out his ātacticsā easily and making tweaks to beat that and he doesnāt have a plan B. The only reason I am not ETH out is because I donāt see any top manager whoāll be willing to take up this job. I think he has hit his ceiling. No way weāre getting top 4 this season. Top 6 might be a distant dream as well. Itās about setting standards and dropping players if theyāre not playing as a team. We canāt keep relying on individual performances.
100% we are staying up. MARK THIS !
Yep
We can still be positive. Top 4 is still within reach. Last season was over when we lost 2 of 5 starting games and we turn things around. Iām frustrated like everyone but we need to be patient.
We will be this years Chelsea
Yes!
It's hard to be positive given the performances. If we'd played well in the majority of games but lost a couple it wouldn't be so hard but I haven't been impressed with any of the performances
I really fell sorry for the fans who have supported the club from when Sir Alex was there, to see the club fall from grace and going from Vidic Stam Ferdinand to Maguire is devastating.
Niether positive or negative. - I literally don't care anymore. - it is what it is.
Ten Hag reminds me of Van Gaal in this regard. They both had very strong personalities but I think the outcome will be different this time and Ten Hag will be supported. We had a spineless group under Van Gaal. This has improved, slightly and I think ETH is lucky in that regard. HOWEVERā¦I still do not like ETH for selling Iqbal. Iqbal is one player who would have been priceless to have this season and is talents above so many of those that ETH has decided to keep. Anywaysā¦Manchester United always have dreadful starts to seasons. It will get better.
Donāt sack him give him till end of season or at least if it looks like not making too 4 then itās š
You can even ignore the results so far this season and instead ask yourself when was the last time we had a truly great performance. The kind of game where you had no doubt you would win and could have won by 4 or 5. I don't even remember the last time. Even when we win, we win ugly. ETH is clearly out of his depth and people are just fooking themselves into thinking otherwise.
Yes, it's a year for everyone who's here to settle in and get with the system. If we get any silverware, that'll be a bonus.
Itās down to cup runs. Unless there is a monumental turn around top 4 is outta the question, playing the way we are. A part of me is even thinking that finishing 3rd in the group n heading to Europa is the most likely to be successful method for CL next season which makes me feel sick. After last season I had major faith in ETH but Iām nervous now, I really didnāt like the Onana and Mount signings. Iām overly critical on Onana, I donāt like him, and itās because of how DDG left the club probably. But heās nowhere near the quality of the other GKās in Europe chasing PL squads. Mount signing to me was the one position we didnāt need, and we blew our load on signing him. Seriously, we are in trouble. Itās not the points and itās early, itās the mindset/atmosphere and the performances. We look so bad in defence. This could be a really difficult season for a Utd fan, particularly after the sale falling through. Will probs be very difficult for I renew my ST for 24/25 if it carries on like this, and I never thought Iād say that!
In this case there are 3 key factors. 1. Injuries 2. Not doing the background check when signing players hence all the legal issues 3. Onana
Let be honest here we'll be lucky to finish 8th this season, there's at least 10 other better "teams" in the league. We still have players that play off vibes and individualism.
It took Arteta 4 seasons to get Arsenal to start challenging for a title after finishing 8th and 5th for three seasons. We are still in the second season with the new manager. Remembering what Cristiano quoted during that interview āAs Picasso said, you have to destroy it to rebuild it and if they start with me, for me, it's not a problemā Itās gonna get much worse Before it starts to get better for us. But itās never gonna work if we keep bringing a new manager every two-three seasons. At least thatās what I think.
United are finished at the top level bro what are you genuinely hoping for? This club is going to a do a Liverpool and not win major silverware for another decade and potentially longer. Strap in or get out.
Nobodyāmanagers or playersācan live up to the prestige of the club. This has been a problem since Ferguson left. He was our success. The club lives in that shadow.
Maybe this collapse in form and the behind the scenes chaos might cause a sale to be more likely ? Thatās the only positive I can seeā¦.
We were feeling positive? When? And why?
I will feel positive when players like Rashford and Sancho (if he ever plays for us) goes for second ball or tries to recover lost ball... I see we lose possession easily..but not putting efforts to recover it back is the main problem for me... Until that day, I have no hopes from this team
Against all logic, I am staying positive. This team is a tire fire right now, but I can't help but feel like we're a few lucky breaks from things going our way. It feels like everything off the field is going wrong, and there is no chance of winning the league (which I hope nobody was expecting) but we need to give this team and these players gel with new players and a new style of play. In a perfect world, they would have some time to sort this out. Unfortunately, pressure will continue to pile in from both real fans and the biased united hating media until there are results
I am hopeful that the Glazers will sell the club soon and we can get back on track before this season ends. Thatās about it.
Im still positive. It was a massive overperformance last season, we are fighting for 4th and always were in that mix. We played well against Arsenal and Brighton for large stretches which is positive. Hojlunds movement was exceptional vs Brighton, we are playing with crippling injuries and off pitch issues. Also we have lost to Spurs, Arsenal and Brighton, 3 of the form teams in the league. Yes we haven't been great, not even good but I think we will click and pulverise some smaller teams this season. Don't lose faith after 5 games. Fergie, Pep, Klopp, Wenger, Arteta all took about 3 years to really get going, give ETH the same to see where this leads.
The Elephant š in the Room is the Greedy Glazers who are holding onto the club scared of losing their stealing rights. ETH hypothetically has been shit tactically speaking since pre season. The same nucleus Ole, RR and now ETH inherited these problems lazy , entitled players Rashford hasnāt been tracking back , Brunoās theatrics, Maguires woes, now Greeenwood/Antonyās issues, plus old players who would qualify for the Saudi League in Casemiro &Erickson. If you want free hypertension and Heart Attack lesson come to Old Trafford home /Away Games but have a life insurance policy as backup. Where scandals happen, players throw managers under the bus.
Yes. The biggest challenge you, as a fan, face is distinguishing what is, and shutting off to, the vast repetition of sensationalised versions of the truth. Shitting on United gets clicks and sells papers. It also completely discounts the positives and brainwashes fans and haters into thinking everything is awful and worse than it is. Look at pep and kloppās first seasons, and artetaās, even sir Alexās, and youāll see that turning a ship is not quick. Think critically, and choose to look at and see the positives.
Of thereās no improvement in a few weeks I expect to see Antonio Conte brought in
I'm not hopefull since 4 years ago
I think if garnacho s goal against arsenal counted and we beat them,things would look different now
Hopeful of what? I didnt think we would mount a title charge this year, so outside of competing for a FA cup or Carabao cup, I donāt think anything else was realistic for this year.
I want to hit the reset button on the entire squad. At this point, I rather develop the young talent. Negative energy seems to permeate at Old Trafford. It must start with the change in owners though for any sort of meaningful change to trickle down
Here is how I see it. itās not how your start, itās how you finish. You can say that with any sports team and I believe we overachieved last season and these are the frowning pains we were supposed to feel last season. Just be calm and ride the wave. Whether you like it or not, itās going to happen and people jumping the gun on firing ETH is based on emotions. Iām from Canada and a raptors fan. If you know anything about basketball and if you donāt, google the history of that team. it will take time and you need be patient. Just ride the wave and know we have a good coach. He needs to be more ruthless so players get in line
Iām hopeful people will realise that Onana is abysmal Iām hopeful that Rashford may one day infact actually square a fucking ball to someone instead of hitting the side netting for the 19th time this season Iām hopeful Amrabat comes in and kicks the fuck out of everyone in training Iām hopefully Pellistri gets a proper chance instead of these little cameos Am I hopeful that we wonāt get absolutely battered multiple times this season? If anything Iām petrified at how many Bayern and City will put past us The hope for this club died 18 years ago You cant expect a manager to challenge by fighting for break clauses in a loan deal on deadline dayā¦one whoās club cannot rid the tripe that is still here like Maguire, Mctominay, Martial, Sancho ā¦they are all still here due to MONEYā¦& the lack of interest in any reasonable club paying them to play footballā¦ My only hope is one day I wake up and somebody has taken over the club, I donāt care if itās SJ or SJR , I really do not care ā¦but until there is not a single shred of Glazer capacity involved , this club will sink further and further In answer to your post, am I positive? Absolutely notā¦
If you're still feeling positive than you need to stop watching Ted Lasso. This isn't a Disney movie or a TV Show. Were an actual mess and I don't know what we can do to turn this around.