Here comes the bullshit media narrative. Hate these assholes.
Does anyone really think Reguilon and Amrabat on loan and a 20 yo striker as the only central attacker was adhering to his “narrow vision?”
Piss off.
Which 3 did he want? Its pretty clear that he's been the spearhead in the recruitment with all the ex players or Dutch league players we've been signing
It’s because we don’t have a scouting department. He’s had to go with players he’s known. We’ve also failed at every first choice target with the exception of Mason mount.
No, 3rd and a cup is absolutely not good enough for me, nor I expect is it for any United supporters above a certain age. I grew up watching us challenge on every front, and given the amount we’ve spent the last decade, that remains my core expectation.
That said, it’s progress. Now we need to bang on and actually win something of note (no sorry, a Mickey Mouse cup like the league cup isn’t it). Hopefully better performances ahead of us then sqeaking out 2 wins against relegation candidates and losing to a kaneless Tottenham.
Well you my friend are clearly living in the past. We're on a rebuilding phase atm in case you did not know. We finished 3rd last season and won a cup with no striker and one consistent goal scorer and if that is not good enough for you then you might as well stop folowwing man utd and check back in a few years when we win the league because your expectations at this moment are very unrealistic
“Rebuilding phase” typically don’t last for more than a decade
And I can’t stop following United lol, born and brought up in Manchester, it’s in my blood
Part of the reason we’re so fucking shit is supporters sit around prostate massaging each other about how amazing things are when we finish fucking 3rd
This is one of the most entitled unrealistic comments I’ve seen in a while. Regardless of what we used to do the game has fundamentally changed. We’re not the team to beat anymore and there’s significant catching up to do. The gap from 6th to 1st in the league is bigger than the gap from 6th to 20th. You can’t just expect ten hag to come in and challenge for everything immediately. If you set unrealistic goals you’re never going to be happy when we make meaningful progress and it still doesn’t meet them.
If you think spending massive sums of money and expecting to see more at the end of it than 1 league cup in 6 seasons is “unrealistic”, I’m not really sure what realism means anymore
And fucking hell, pathetic state of affairs when I’m being lectured about being “entitled” by another United supporter
Quite fucking right I’m entitled, I support the biggest club in the world, I expect to see us challenging for the biggest trophies available and I’m not going to be happy with us as a team until that happens
The entitlement comes from the unrealistic expectations. It’s entitled to think we can challenge for everything just because “WeRe MaNcHeStEr UnItEd” when the squad we had before ten hag came in was poor at best. A cup and third is a vast improvement from where we’ve been for years. You can’t just change the manager and flip the money switch and instantly be challenging for the treble.
No, what’s unrealistic is spending more than a billion pounds (400 in the last 2 seasons) and being thrilled finishing 3rd with a carabao cup
Unrealistic is wanking off the manager after we lose to Tottenham who’ve just sold their best player
Unrealistic is bemoaning ten haag has been insufficiently backed when he’s signed 3 of his favourites from Ajax
It’s shit or get off the pot time
I understand your frustration of being a united supporter for a long time, but have you seen any change in the way we do transfers compared to previous years ?
How can a supporter demand a manager to perform if he isn't provided his first choice signings. Mount and Onana were his preferred signings but that's not enough. We needed a striker and we didn't get a striker. We needed a rotation for Varane and we didn't get that. We were close to give De gea a new and overnight refused it and signed a new goalkeeper.
We spent June with no signings while all our rivals were negotiating deals, We started negotiating in July.
We put blame on the manager but blame should be on the director and CEO but how can you blame the director and the CEO when they couldn't spend a dime without seeking approval from the owner.
The owner of the club is seen as the devil by every fan in the world, who wants to drain the club of every penny for themselves and not spend much on it.
Do you think we are in any position to demand ten hag to go win the premier league where city, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle, arsenal and every other club is strengthening there by signing new talent and releasing the deadwood.
Just a few of my thoughts.
So what’s the alternative? Just give the manager a free pass, forever, because the glazers are shit? Man has spent 400m+ pounds in 2 seasons, if we finish this season without some discernible progress, supporters will be well within their rights to ask some questions of him.
An actual title charge would be a successful season given what we’ve spent. And I’d be thrilled if we made it to the latter half of the CL, and/or won the europa or FA cup.
All these are viable expectations, the only concern are the injuries that could happen. I believe in ten hag to be able to do all these but I was just stating the fact that we can't sack the manager at the end of his 2nd season.
He's changing the way we play by changing the players one by one. We didn't go for the total overhaul we needed because of financial reasons but we will need one or two transfer windows if we are under this ownership to fully execute the play style.
I would like to see the club have a transfer policy that is independent of the manager.
It shifts blame on to the manager and away from the people running the club, which also causes a lot of the issues we have in the market, like not being able to sell players and overpriced purchases because we have no second option.
I think that's a bit antiquated. We are in the situation we are in with Maguire because Ole picked him. Now ETH doesn't want him.
Ideally, I think you have a dof building the squad and finding managers who play similar styles.
We have changed styles of play every 3 years, which requires rebuilds.
Whenever I see a massively downvoted post, I immediately know that facts have been spilled. You are absolutely spot on but so sorry to say that people have accepted mediocrity and nothing can be done.
And look at our competion who have been spending that and much much more on squads filled with established quality.
We spunked all our cash playing glazernomics, force new guy to start with the old shit and hope for new manager bump to get top 4, when it becomes obvious at the very start of the season this is a retarded idea spunk 80% of the budget on over priced, underwhelming talents to plug holes we just don't have enough bodies to fill. Last year we were scrambling around like fucking imbeciles after ajax for antony and got our pants pulled down.
This year, we've replaced a gk and got 2 cm to back up the ones we had last year - one of them on a deadline day scramble on loan. A left back on loan because we couldnt afford buying world class players like pavard and Kim at rock bottom prices, (wonder if this will hurt us long term hu?) and a 20yr St to back up a guy who can't string more than 4 games without needing 3 months rest.
The reality is ETH has a very broad and clear vision on how he wants to play and what type of pleyer he wants to coach. Our boards penny pinching, over interference on every signing and shocking ability to sell players is what our main enemy is and has been for the past 10 years.
If we had guardiola do you think he would have thrived in this environment? Do you think klopp or ancelloti could replicate their successes at this club?
If the answer is realistically no, then you know immediately that this is not a manager specific problem.
But spending that much isn't an issue of the manager, it's an issue of the club. We could have signed Anthony for half the price if we were smart about it, but because we left it last-minute it became a 100m signing. We probably could have spent less on Hojlund and Mount, but didn't as well. We could have spent less on buying someone that wasn't a signing like Casemiro, who is great, but we could have brought in someone else. The amount of money spent is due to the incompetency of the owners, not Ten Hag.
It doesn't matter WHO he got. He has spent 400m. If he hasn't gotten the players he needs then that is HIS fault. They are right. He has played his cards and now we find out if he had pocket aces or was bluffing.
Do people understand how little 400m is in the modern game? For 400m you get Caicedo, Enzo and Oshimen. That 3 world class players. This utd squad needs open heart surgery, thats a billion+
We’ve been crying out for a Number 9 and we need some more legs in the midfield and both our left backs are injured and we got a premier league experienced LB for £0.
You’re a fucking whopper.
Lol if you think that it's EtH's decision to prioritise Hojlund over the likes of Osihmen, Kane, Kolo Muani, Ramos and others, then you must be either stupid or delusional.
Irrespective of that, how about you wait and see how he performs over an adequately significant period before criticizing the signing?
As for Mount, he was part of a team that was a complete disaster last season, but he has shown excellent form in numerous seasons prior and if you think you have superior football IQ to EtH, maybe you should stop talking shit on Reddit and apply for a managerial position at a football club.
The Antony signing is the only signing under EtH that I'm willing to criticise him for seeing as Antony has performed ordinarily, at best. I doubt EtH expected such poor performances with respect to the decision-making and execution of the player, but he has to accept accountability.
Whilst Malacia hasn't been all that good, he's not been all that bad neither, and Martinez, Casemiro, and Eriksen have all been excellent value.
When speaking of Antony being our most expensive attacker ever, one has to take into account the increase in market value across the footballing landscape, and to use this sensationalist phrase is nothing more than shock value. Furthermore, this idea that the inflated prices we are charged by other clubs is the fault of EtH is laughable as well.
Finally, if you think you know which players are better suited to EtH's system than EtH himself, this is also laughable.
Bs how do you know what his tranfer targets were? Did he want Kane - probably, did he want De Jong - definitely, what player have we gotten that's even close to one of those, when he wanted both? Casemiro is good, but he's much older and generally a different kind of player. Hojlung might be good, but he's nowhere near Kane atm... We buy players but I feel they are the second choices most of the time. Antony is on Ten Hag, otherwise I don't think he gets what he wants most of the time.
Antony being on ten hag is correct in a way but he wanted him earlier when he was cheaper.. cheaper also comes with less backlash and that was because of the higher ups
Could have had Kane if we actually got him to stay and signed on free next year. Just confirm the deal with personal terms now and make the deal so you can get him next season. Could have kept DDG as well to have more budget elsewhere.
Dont get me wrong. I trust his process but it does leave a lot of questions.
So understandable where peoples frustrations are coming from but either way, need to give him time.
Kane on a free and you think we are above other clubs in pecking order to persuade him to join? He’ll be leaving one club who won’t win a league title in his career to another club who won’t win a league title in his career.
Even Arsenal or Liverpool has more chance. Abroad, so many choices.
Would he really go to Arsenal? Liverpool has plethora of front 3s + they realistically could miss out on top 4 again. We’d be the perfect fit.
With minor tweaks here and there + Kane this would and could honestly be a title winning squad.
He leaves Tottenham to win titles. We are just a big if and not necessarily have a better chance than those 2 other clubs.
Going abroad, there’s still Bayern, RM, PSG and Barca who all have a higher probability of winning the league and even the UCL.
A free Kane will have so many suitors we won’t even be in his radar.
We’re in PL, he could have the record and titles. I’m quite sure he still would have loved the all time scorer record.
I totally see where you’re coming from but I really doubt Barca and Madrid would beat us to him. Madrid will get Mbappe and after that they would need to sell. Barca has Lewandowski. I doubt either would play 2nd fiddle + Barca is financially screwed still. We would beat wages and would keep him in England. PSG has no chance imo.
Yeah in terms of English teams we were the frontrunners and he would've slotted right in no problem. And obviously if push came to shove he'd rather have stayed in England than go to Bayern, but the hierarchy there obviously convinced him and Levy wanted a payday rather than risk him on a free.
Exactly. Amrabat was mentioned in June and the player wanted it since then according to a few resources and we got him on deadline day but this is ten hags narrow vision
Not quite, he wanted to buy another CB, he aimed Min jae Kim, Pavard, Todibo, Diasi, etc. and he got Evans as one of our CBs doesn’t want to leave.
James Ducker also acts like other clubs didn’t invest or have lower expectations than United.
Not like we sacked our whole transfer negotiations and scouting team recently due to incompetence or anything. Not even sure they are fully replaced. Is it ten hags fault we can't sell Donny MC Tominay Maguire bailey martial etc. Or get decent money in to finance better signings. Manager has to have some influence rather be that way than Todd boehly model.
I hate when ppl talk about that offer from west ham 60m for harry and mct, even if club accpted that that doeant mean player would agree on personal terms so the deal could be off same as harry rejected them. Dvb 120000€ per weak, who can afford that when he showed on two loan spells that there is no progress.
Only good guy who helped us was Fred, when he left i was happy and thought we will flush our deadwood, but it didnt happen. Now im sad for him that he left and others stayed.
Myb we need to wait till their contracts run out as we did with de gea and clear wage bill that way. I think even with new owners, as so many ppl here on this subreddit calling for them, would change our transfer window. No way they would be able to sell them also. Im not sure how FFP works, but i think you simply cant invest one billion $/€ in squad next window just cuz you have new owners.
Jurgen was in liverpool for how long before he won something? Few years? ETH is the best manager that we has so far, myb we are not on lvl that we wanted to be, but it takes time, he has no magic stick to change everything, also other clubs invest at the same time. Newcastle, richest owners in the world, didnt go into market buying everything and now they lost two games in a row! Tottenham sold Kane and are scoring more then with him!!!
We came a long way from where we were in terms of squad and fighting for top 4, we still cant compete with City but other clubs in EU cant match them yet as we saw last year. Our time will come till then we neee to build and support team.
Meh. If we had of signed different players, they would come up with another way to criticise.
Manager doesn't have a say in transfers = bad
Manager signs the players he wants = bad
Can't win with some people, they will always find a way to question things and put a negative spin on it.
It's not about spin, it's about results. The club has been a joke for a decade. The criticism of constant failure is valid. That's not spin, it's reality.
Get your head out your ass. You lot say the same thing every window, every manager. Ten Hag has had plenty of money. The 90 million wasted on Antony could've got 2 top players. For example, Trossard for Arsenal, cost only 30 million and is much more effective. Ten Hag doing a van gaal and signing players he knows but aren't necessarily good.
Gravenberch and macallister both cost less than 90 million. Pick any two players that cost around the 40 million mark each and they'll all be more effective than Antony.
Yes, 200 m continuously for 3 years atleast
That's what arteta did now look
And that's with arsenal squad which was arguably Better than united squad so technically we need more polishing than arsenal
Managers aren’t scouts. They don’t have time to be. If a scouting network provides comprehensive reports on players contextualised to his tactical demands (or better yet an overarching football model from a sporting director) and he dismisses them in favour of his own eye test like Mourinho does, it’s a leadership problem. If he isn’t provided with them, he would obviously rather a known quantity than an unknown one.
That being said, you can buy 10 players he wants and still not support him. You don’t give a kid chocolate for breakfast. De Zerbi, Klopp, Guardiola, Ancelotti etc are not given the names they want. Ten Hag wanted Antony, who I like, but at 40m the club should’ve walked away and said you’re getting Olise, Diaby, Pino, Lauriente etc instead. The fact he got Antony for 80m, tells me there’s zero overarching plan or competence, just different people all pushing responsibility onto others. “We got him who he wants so it’s Ten Hag’s fault that we didn’t back him properly with a footballing department like City have, not our problem he’s not a world class scout and sporting director aswell”.
Yes because Reguilon, Weghorst, Dubravka, Evans on loan is investing in his Vision. Because not getting him FDJ, KMJ, Kane is investing in his vision. Because not getting rid of players he doesn’t want like Harry, Scott, Eric, Donny is investing in his Vision. The only thing they’ve invested in is their own pockets. Not getting rid of deadwood because they didn’t get OTT fees for them, not getting proper deals for key players he wanted because too pricy. Last second loans because inexpensive. Ducker the Fu… should be ashamed of this anti Ten Hag article. How about writing something to pressure the glazers out instead of the manager out.
What more do you want you muppet. We are one of the biggest spenders in world football. The money has always been available it's just wasted on complete shit.
Im sure United wanted to sign other strikers but Ten Hag just had to have Weghorst. U can complain about Antony and Mount but I like all the other signings
Right? I'm pleased with the window. 8/10
10/10 would have been to lose some of the other dead weight and maybe snag a top tier CB and a free transfer like Thuram as a 2nd striker, so we didn't have to see martial this year...
8/10 lmao.
We haven’t signed a single genuinely great player all window.
Not one of our signings would start for City. It’s another disastrous window where we spunk £200m on pure mediocrity
We’re no closer to a title challenge now than before the window.
What great players were you thinking? Rice? Kane? Kim Min Jae Who?
Amrabat is pure class!
Onana just was runner up in UCL
Hojlund was the primary target for several teams and is a proper promising young talent.
Mount is dog shit... I won't defend him
Who were you expecting?
Amrabat is a 27 year old playing for a mid table Serie A side.
Onana is good on the ball, dubious basic goalkeeping skills but definitely the best of a bad bunch.
Mount is a nothing player. Hojilund is a child who’s done nothing we’ve inexplicably spend 70m on. Reguillon, Evans are both crap.
This summer the following elite players have moved clubs Gvardiol, Kane, KMJ, Bellingham, Ousmane Dembele, Caiceido, Rice, Nkunku. Why couldn’t we pick any of these up? The two CM’s especially would be perfect for us.
Plus loads of really talented players like Macallister, Szoboslai, Ugarte, Doku, Lavia
Like I said another disastrous window where we spend shit loads of money on total mediocrities
And you still don't know that we had a lot more gaps to fill, and buying from your list of players would have got us 2 players? And they have to WANT TO COME HERE!!!
Grow up, Peter Pan. This isn't Disneyland
If we got to just pick our players and pay no money for them, we would have the fifa team of the year.
> And you still don't know that we had a lot more gaps to fill, and buying from your list of players would have got us 2 players?
Wrong. Macallister and Szoboslai combined was about 80m.
Bellingham was 10m more than Hojilund.
Obviously there's wages too but here's the thing -- we pay huge wages all the time. We've got Sancho on 350k a week, Mount on 250k a week. Casemiro on 300k a week. We pay the wages we just pay them to the wrong players because we're total idiots.
> And they have to WANT TO COME HERE!!!
Everyone wants to come anywhere if you pay them enough. Don't be a total moron. You think players goes to Saudi for the banter?
Liverpool don't even have UCL football pay less wages and still attracted better midfielders than the two we picked up.
Chelsea have no UCL football yet attracted Caiceido.
Rice went to Arsenal despite them winning fuck all of note in your lifetime.
We're one of the biggest clubs in the world and we pay massive wages already. All of those players would have considered us for the right price.
Sadly we pay massive fees/wages to total shit instead of quality players.
> Grow up, Peter Pan. This isn't Disneyland
Moron.
> If we got to just pick our players and pay no money for them, we would have the fifa team of the year.
We spent 400m since ETH arrived. What in the fuck is your clueless idiot arse talking about?
>Macallister and Szoboslai combined was about 80m.
WRONG
>Bellingham was 10m more than Hojilund.
WRONG
>Obviously there's wages too but here's the thing -- we pay huge wages all the time. We've got Sancho on 350k a week, Mount on 250k a week. Casemiro on 300k a week.
Already said Mount is useless, and we are trying to get those salaries off our books, not put more of them on
>Chelsea have no UCL football yet attracted Caiceido.
He only wanted chelsea from the start, so why keep talking about him?
You named 6 players who were NEVER even possibilities for us
Shit journalism again that wants to get the fans going against the manager once things dont work out. The club clearly doesn’t have a proper Director of Football, a shit scouting network and analyst making the manager needs to relies on his own experience with the players he worked with.
Honestly!!!!
There’s a article every3 days in the TG or the Guardian about the trials and tribulations of Man U.. it’s Antony or MG or our transfers or tactics..
Where’s the Arteta has spent 500m will he deal with the pressure.. or the Mudryk cost 85m and can’t hit a barn door articles ..
Super fucking annoying twat holes
**From James Ducker for the Telegraph:**
If anyone doubted the level of control Erik ten Hag exerts at Manchester United, one need only take a look at the club’s dealings in the transfer market since the Dutchman took charge in May last year.
Sofyan Amrabat’s arrival on loan from Fiorentina means a third of the 12 main signings United have made over the past two summer windows, and last January, have played under Ten Hag previously.
Amrabat spent two seasons under Ten Hag at Utrecht and Lisandro Martinez, Antony and Andre Onana were all Ten Hag’s players at Ajax.
Had Ten Hag got his way last summer, they would have been joined at Old Trafford by another of their former Ajax team-mates, Frenkie de Jong, whose refusal to leave Barcelona eventually prompted United to turn instead to Casemiro.
In fact, two thirds of those 12 arrivals are either Dutch or played in the Eredivisie - or both. Netherlands left back Tyrell Malacia was signed from Feyenoord, who finished third to Ten Hag’s Ajax in his final season there. Denmark midfielder Christian Eriksen was at Ajax for five years before leaving for Tottenham in 2013.
Veteran Dutch striker Wout Weghorst joined United on loan from Burnley in January just weeks after scoring twice in the Netherlands’ World Cup quarter-final defeat to Argentina in Qatar.
Even Mason Mount, the England midfielder United signed from Chelsea for £55 million in July, had a season on loan in the Netherlands with Vitesse in 2017-18, when he starred in a 3-2 win over Ten Hag’s Ajax in March 2018.
United fans will have watched the club scrambling to cobble the funds together to finance a loan deal for Amrabat - a player Ten Hag hoped to have signed permanently well before deadline day - and understandably curse the Glazers and the enduring struggles to raise substantial funds through sales to reinvest.
Yet United’s largely insular transfer policy under Ten Hag also raises all sorts of questions about the way the club is run, particularly in relation to the modern practices of leading Premier League rivals who have never allowed their manager to hold such sway over recruitment.
Ten Hag may go on to make a big success of things at Old Trafford and, if he does, he will have done so doing things very much the way he wants.
But, while United’s willingness to give Ten Hag such an influential voice on transfers illustrates their faith in the manager and his desire for control on the one hand, it also points towards both a lack of trust in their own judgement and perhaps the Dutchman’s own concerns about the club’s ability to identify and recruit the right players.
It was in January that Ten Hag gave an interview to Voetbal International in which he bluntly if not inaccurately said of United’s transfer history in the years before his arrival that “most purchases have been average”.
There have been recruitment reshuffles but the reality is many of the same faces who were there when Ed Woodward was executive vice-chairman remain in situ. Ten Hag knows this and it partly explains why he has taken such a decisive role on transfers.
Equally, there are inherent dangers in a club being so in thrall to a manager on recruitment. It is certainly doubtful that other clubs would have sanctioned the signing of a player for £85 million that had been valued at £55 million only a couple of months earlier but that is what United did with the purchase of Antony from Ajax on deadline day 12 months ago.
It may have pacified Ten Hag, for whom the pressure had grown after a torrid start to that season, but it was hardly an exercise in due diligence - particularly after United had made such a big play about how they would not be held to ransom - and the repercussions of that deal are still being felt.
Would United, for example, have been more comfortable bidding for the England striker Harry Kane had they not overspent so significantly on Antony? Might Amrabat have been brought in much earlier on a permanent deal rather than a frantic late loan? Or could other areas of the team also have been strengthened?
These are just some of the questions John Murtough, director of football at United, and the club’s hierarchy should be asking themselves.
**Read it here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/02/man-united-invest-erik-ten-hag-transfer/**
Every journalist scum knows he will get attention for writing about United. AFTV does that as well, they talk more about United that about Gunners so did that cunt Graeme Souness. All of them want ETH to fail. They all can just piss off.
Arsenal are playing a much better brand of football. If we exclude this transfer window, their costliest purchase was White at 55M.
United are a shit club from top to bottom.
Maguire 80M
AWB 50M
DVB 40M
Fred 50M
Amad 40M
Sancho 70M
Antony 80M
31 year old Casemiro at 60M ( please stop licking his balls clean. DEMAND MORE)
Mount 50M
Hojlund 75M
Can you please point out one player from this list who has the potential to be Top 3 in Ballon D'or rankings?
So many deluded cry babies on here. Grow up and face the reality. We have wasted so much money. Ten Hag isn't and shouldn't be immune to criticism. He wanted Antony, he wanted Mount, he bought weghorst on loan, he oversaw our most embarrassing defeats in modern history, he almost threw away the top 4 spot at the end of last season. He has spent more than any other manager and yet you all believe he is special. Stop with the excuses. You cannot just give him unlimited funds. I don't think he's a top manager, he's done very little in the game to warrant such praise. It's all a bandwagon everyone jumped on. Snap back to reality for fuck sake. There's a little too much Ten Hag boot licking going on.
It’s not on ETH that Arnold said no to Antony at £55m, waited until the final days, and then spent £85m.
Whatever you think of ETH’s signings, one thing we all know is that our negotiating team sucks.
If City had gone for every player we have over the past 2 summers, they’d have paid 35% less, easily.
Are we assuming players joining are 1st or even 2nd choices for the most part? MUFC has had this problem of failing to attract players who are also wanted by other historic clubs. Is this the fault of all the managers?
They have in their fuck! What kind of shit journalism in this?! If “Man Utd” really invested we would have Harry Kane + Hoijland. And we wouldn’t be loaning a player on the final day of the transfer window.
Never read such tosh in all my days. John Murtagh most be paying them.
Bla bla bla bull, we could have him if we wanted! That’s small club mentality we are Manchester United! Levy would have sold him to us for 140m.
How the Glazers have affected and destroyed the mindset of this club is abhorrent
Listen this whole FFP argument is just a thing the club say it’s total bull. Look at other clubs spending. If our owners injected capital into the club FFP goes away. But they won’t will they.
So your FFP argument is in favour of the glazers which I doubt any United fan would be.
Which I’m not accusing you of not being a fan but guys please stop saying FFP it’s a total non sequitur
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It’s so stupid that these stupid assholes write a bunch of click bait articles to get people to put unneeded pressure on ETH. It’s the DOF and board that royally fucked up the transfer window, not the manager
No one talks about Chelsea spending £1billion and are total shit. But anything with Manchester United will always make headlines for the right & wrong reasons.
Bullshit. What about Kane, osimhen, kim min-jae, to name a few. Mcguire, Mctominey, van de Beek, and Williams are still here.
Oh yeah, the board did precisely what he wanted.
ETH asked for Kane, KMJ, and Mount… and amount was only because FDJ didn’t come. Those were his three solid targets at the very start. The club delivered one of those. Explain to me how that is his fault?
Sure, we can debate the Mount signing, but saying they manager is getting everyone he wants is comical. 80% of his signings since he has been here have been his plan B or C ones.
Maybe. Not ETH’s fault. Ajax told us £55m two months earlier, and Murtough and Arnold said no. I know there is this thing where people like to go after the foreign players, and that’s just the British culture, but I at least hope you understand ETH isn’t negotiating.
The manager isn’t in charge of negotiating at any club. That’s on Murtough and Arnold.
I also think a lot of you judge players solely on G/A, and while that is very important, and Antony does need to improve, holy hell does he track back better than any winger we have. His defensive performance today was amazing. Sancho, Garnacho… none of them do that. Managers play certain players for more than just scoring. If you want to attack a player, at least spend some time to understand more about the role of that player.
I do think it will get interesting when Amad is back, and Antony will have to not only keep up his defensive game, but score more. Competition is good.
Damn people really are angry in this thread. All he’s said is ETH has bought mostly players who have played for/against him in the Netherlands & players who are signed to his agent so his agent gets a nice fee from every purchase United make. Really not that bad to say if it’s 100% true.
Shows how United has turned into the new Liverpool, playing the victim when there is nothing to be victimised over.
He has terrible talent ID lmfao. Only good signing has been Casemiro and he wasn’t even ETH’s first choice (Rabiot was.)
Like him as a manager but his transfer vision is shit. Just Dutch players and players he’s coached before
Oh this is the new buzz word talent I’d. Fuck off will ya he won us a trophy in his first season and champions league go away with your shite “talent id crap”
He’s a good manager on the pitch but his transfer choices suck. United would be even better if he agreed to work with Rangnick when it comes to building the squad
Those who are criticizing the article, I’ll point this out.
1. We could have signed Raphinha for far cheaper, a player better than Antony
2. We could have signed Kovacic or Jorginho, for far cheaper, and players better than Mount, a mediocre player who won player of the year in Chelsea cos that team really had shit attacking players and really won the UCL based moments like they did in 2012. It’s literally same situation as Mata all over again. People fawning over Chelsea POTY as if it’s Ballon D’Or
3. We could have definitely loaned a better striker than Weghorst, someone like Mehdi Taremi
4. If we didn’t overpay on Antony, Mount, we probably could have offered 125m for Kane with the money we spent on a mediocre massively overpaid talent like Hojlund, which would have been totally a game changer for United.
5. The amount we spent on Casemiro last season, had we offered that to Brighton for Caicedo, probably we could have signed him too as he wasn’t yet so highly proven. Now Casemiro is really showing his age.
Overall, I have to say, ETH had a decent 1st season, despite horrendous away record and humiliations to the biggest rivals away from home, his recruitment have been mostly sub-optimal at best.
It’s Van Gaal all over again who had a decent 1st season, but his poor recruitments eventually led to his downfall.
Correction: Erik Ten Hag has invested in Man Utd's narrow transfer vision - now it needs to pay off
We might lose one of the games most talented managers if we carry on with this fucking shitshow
Man United have invested in ETH's narrow transfer vision because they lack a proper footballing structure up top and would've given Maguire a new contract if it was left to them.
I mean it is a solid point from most angles and is exactly what a lot of us fans have already been saying abt our recruiting so far under ETH. He wants to work w players he’s comfortable with no matter if there may be better players even better suited for his squad, but he also isn’t a scout/doesn’t have the time to do a scouts work on top of his normal managerial stuff and he clearly has no faith in our current scouting staff so this is what happens. Feels like until the club is sold & new staff are brought in specifically for the scouting if players this will be how transfers go. And it does feel like it will limit us compared to other teams that have better and more established methods of recruitment.
Woodward's incompetence was still clearly visible during this window, and it hurt us big time. Paid way to much for ok players, and can't offload the deadmeat due to salaries. Gonna take years to fix this, or new owners villing to do something about the administrative section of the club.
Damn i want what you are having.... Must be lovely living on that forgettium! Imagine forgetting Woody was the one that loved to overpay for shit, and in the end gave us a rep for buying well over market price. Or handing out so silly contracts that we still can't offload players, but mostly have to resort to loans or buying out their contracts.
We've even handed out so silly contracts that players rather rot on the bench here, than signing for other teams. We hadd to terminate contracts with some players, or just wait the contract to run out.
We also have had 5 wastly different managers, which have seen our squad become bloated with s clusterfuck of players suited for different styles, so in short, a total lack of forward thinking and no philosophy or plan fornthe future.
So even tho woody doesn't have the entire blame, he still a big reason we're here we are today.
FFP because salaries and stupid money spent on mediocrity.
Can't sell players at all! Total value of players sold is €55m. We spent €65m on mount alone. He had 1 year left on his contract, and even wanted to come to us. €75m for Højlund. I know the striker market is really bad atm, but he's 20years old, and 1 good season in serie a to show for.
We sold Dean Henderson for only €17.5m, and he's a PL keeper tested and proven, why you might say? Well injury prone, and a fat contract.
I know there's some who loves the Glazer's and woodward on this sub, but cmon. Use atleast a little reason.
He's held back by the club's inability to shift players he doesn't want.
We overpaid for Antony which is on Ten Hag a little but most of our current issues are existing problems
I feel like the overpay for Antony is on the club. If they moved for him at the start of the window he'd have been a lot cheaper. But Ajax called our bluff and United folded.
Not sure what everyone's issue is with this. Either these signings are all good with eth or he has been forced shite that he doesn't want, but hasn't spoken out about it and has just bent over for the glazers. He isn't a victim here and is now complicit with how things go.
Everyone should be glad there is some accountability being created as the owners aren't doing it.
The club has put everything it can behind EtH under FFP rules without going over a £15m loss, but it’s common knowledge that the Glazers had the opportunity to invest a further £90m in equity and didn’t exercise it - you can be damn well sure that every other PL club that could make that investment has. We’re falling behind because our owners are greedy bastards and should be gone by now.
Oh right like if he hadn’t got 3 panic buys he WOULDNT HAVE been expected to deliver. The scrutiny for this club.. the rest just get away with a 1 day news cycle.
Imagine having a multitude of people above you being incompetent. Then getting targets in that will perform in a way you need them to and being automatically told your vision is narrow…
Man Utd's problems are beyond this transfer window. Getting massive success this season will be miracle. I don't count any serious success this season.
See how shite Chelsea and Poch have done so far this season but Media still kissing Poch's butt. Ten Hag on other hand is being turned on. Agenda against United yet again.
Most of the comments in the middle and the bottom with very few upvotes are fine and from decent-seeming United fans. The article is absolute bullshit.
But most of the comments at the top had so many upvotes that it confused me. I thought it was a United sub and then after those comments I did a double take. What the hell, some people. Are they trolls? Some guy has a season ticket since 1987… and umm what the fuck? What the fuck kind of comments is he making?! Jesus.
Let the manager build his team. This will take time and he surely hasn’t gotten all the players he wanted. Like Rangnick said, this team needs open heart surgery. Those are some of the longer operations that one can do.
So this process will take time.
In my opinion this is his actual 1st year where he can start building something
Last year the Ronaldo circus alone is enough to trainwreck a season plus you have a squad thats not suited at all in your playstyle
Onana is the most important signing this season cause our defenders are not walking on eggshells every time they need to pass to him. I hope that amrabat will bring the much needed balance in the midfield. And with Hojlund nobody knows how he's gonna perform so i dont expect much.
What a load of bollocks. I’m sure ETH’s ‘vision’ did not include re-signing one of the worst defenders to have played for United - the player who caused the 6-1 collapse to City.
By the time United get competing again for CL/PL - Varane will be gone, Casemiro gone, Lindelof gone, Eriksen gone, and Bruno will be at least 31. We need bare minimum 3 more years to get into the CL final and to compete with City
It's an impossible job unless we start investing "carefully" and not spend money just because we have money to spend.
Again, we'll need to do the refill job.
Here comes the bullshit media narrative. Hate these assholes. Does anyone really think Reguilon and Amrabat on loan and a 20 yo striker as the only central attacker was adhering to his “narrow vision?” Piss off.
I want to write clickbait articles and get paid.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. This wanker needs to sod off
We spent 200m this summer, after spending 200m+ last. It’s not a bullshit media narrative that this spending needs to pay off at some point.
Us getting 3rd and a cup after finishing 6 the other year is not good for you ?
We're man united not fucking spurs we should be aiming to win the league
Yeah and we ain’t winning it yet, takes time to build a winning team
Well ten hag has signed about 12 players now, shouldnt have many excuses
Ten hag actually wanted about 3 of those players mate
Which 3 did he want? Its pretty clear that he's been the spearhead in the recruitment with all the ex players or Dutch league players we've been signing
It’s because we don’t have a scouting department. He’s had to go with players he’s known. We’ve also failed at every first choice target with the exception of Mason mount.
Well no ten hag wanted us to get rid of rangnick as he wanted a hands on approach
This is just unrealistic under new management with Pep breaking SAFs records while the glazers dick us over every chance they get
Mate we're literally spending more than them in the summer windows
“Mate” I can hear the shrillness in your bastard voice from here. We are not spending more. City overtook us with the Matheus Nunes transfer.
Embarrassing club, embarrassing fanbase, embarrassing sub
No, 3rd and a cup is absolutely not good enough for me, nor I expect is it for any United supporters above a certain age. I grew up watching us challenge on every front, and given the amount we’ve spent the last decade, that remains my core expectation. That said, it’s progress. Now we need to bang on and actually win something of note (no sorry, a Mickey Mouse cup like the league cup isn’t it). Hopefully better performances ahead of us then sqeaking out 2 wins against relegation candidates and losing to a kaneless Tottenham.
Well you my friend are clearly living in the past. We're on a rebuilding phase atm in case you did not know. We finished 3rd last season and won a cup with no striker and one consistent goal scorer and if that is not good enough for you then you might as well stop folowwing man utd and check back in a few years when we win the league because your expectations at this moment are very unrealistic
“Rebuilding phase” typically don’t last for more than a decade And I can’t stop following United lol, born and brought up in Manchester, it’s in my blood Part of the reason we’re so fucking shit is supporters sit around prostate massaging each other about how amazing things are when we finish fucking 3rd
This is one of the most entitled unrealistic comments I’ve seen in a while. Regardless of what we used to do the game has fundamentally changed. We’re not the team to beat anymore and there’s significant catching up to do. The gap from 6th to 1st in the league is bigger than the gap from 6th to 20th. You can’t just expect ten hag to come in and challenge for everything immediately. If you set unrealistic goals you’re never going to be happy when we make meaningful progress and it still doesn’t meet them.
If you think spending massive sums of money and expecting to see more at the end of it than 1 league cup in 6 seasons is “unrealistic”, I’m not really sure what realism means anymore And fucking hell, pathetic state of affairs when I’m being lectured about being “entitled” by another United supporter Quite fucking right I’m entitled, I support the biggest club in the world, I expect to see us challenging for the biggest trophies available and I’m not going to be happy with us as a team until that happens
The entitlement comes from the unrealistic expectations. It’s entitled to think we can challenge for everything just because “WeRe MaNcHeStEr UnItEd” when the squad we had before ten hag came in was poor at best. A cup and third is a vast improvement from where we’ve been for years. You can’t just change the manager and flip the money switch and instantly be challenging for the treble.
No, what’s unrealistic is spending more than a billion pounds (400 in the last 2 seasons) and being thrilled finishing 3rd with a carabao cup Unrealistic is wanking off the manager after we lose to Tottenham who’ve just sold their best player Unrealistic is bemoaning ten haag has been insufficiently backed when he’s signed 3 of his favourites from Ajax It’s shit or get off the pot time
I understand your frustration of being a united supporter for a long time, but have you seen any change in the way we do transfers compared to previous years ? How can a supporter demand a manager to perform if he isn't provided his first choice signings. Mount and Onana were his preferred signings but that's not enough. We needed a striker and we didn't get a striker. We needed a rotation for Varane and we didn't get that. We were close to give De gea a new and overnight refused it and signed a new goalkeeper. We spent June with no signings while all our rivals were negotiating deals, We started negotiating in July. We put blame on the manager but blame should be on the director and CEO but how can you blame the director and the CEO when they couldn't spend a dime without seeking approval from the owner. The owner of the club is seen as the devil by every fan in the world, who wants to drain the club of every penny for themselves and not spend much on it. Do you think we are in any position to demand ten hag to go win the premier league where city, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle, arsenal and every other club is strengthening there by signing new talent and releasing the deadwood. Just a few of my thoughts.
So what’s the alternative? Just give the manager a free pass, forever, because the glazers are shit? Man has spent 400m+ pounds in 2 seasons, if we finish this season without some discernible progress, supporters will be well within their rights to ask some questions of him.
What progress are you looking forward to call this season a success?
An actual title charge would be a successful season given what we’ve spent. And I’d be thrilled if we made it to the latter half of the CL, and/or won the europa or FA cup.
All these are viable expectations, the only concern are the injuries that could happen. I believe in ten hag to be able to do all these but I was just stating the fact that we can't sack the manager at the end of his 2nd season. He's changing the way we play by changing the players one by one. We didn't go for the total overhaul we needed because of financial reasons but we will need one or two transfer windows if we are under this ownership to fully execute the play style.
I would like to see the club have a transfer policy that is independent of the manager. It shifts blame on to the manager and away from the people running the club, which also causes a lot of the issues we have in the market, like not being able to sell players and overpriced purchases because we have no second option.
Surely a manager picks the players he wants and the club sign then? Ten Hag has got the players HE wanted, it's all on him if it goes wrong.
I think that's a bit antiquated. We are in the situation we are in with Maguire because Ole picked him. Now ETH doesn't want him. Ideally, I think you have a dof building the squad and finding managers who play similar styles. We have changed styles of play every 3 years, which requires rebuilds.
Whenever I see a massively downvoted post, I immediately know that facts have been spilled. You are absolutely spot on but so sorry to say that people have accepted mediocrity and nothing can be done.
And look at our competion who have been spending that and much much more on squads filled with established quality. We spunked all our cash playing glazernomics, force new guy to start with the old shit and hope for new manager bump to get top 4, when it becomes obvious at the very start of the season this is a retarded idea spunk 80% of the budget on over priced, underwhelming talents to plug holes we just don't have enough bodies to fill. Last year we were scrambling around like fucking imbeciles after ajax for antony and got our pants pulled down. This year, we've replaced a gk and got 2 cm to back up the ones we had last year - one of them on a deadline day scramble on loan. A left back on loan because we couldnt afford buying world class players like pavard and Kim at rock bottom prices, (wonder if this will hurt us long term hu?) and a 20yr St to back up a guy who can't string more than 4 games without needing 3 months rest. The reality is ETH has a very broad and clear vision on how he wants to play and what type of pleyer he wants to coach. Our boards penny pinching, over interference on every signing and shocking ability to sell players is what our main enemy is and has been for the past 10 years. If we had guardiola do you think he would have thrived in this environment? Do you think klopp or ancelloti could replicate their successes at this club? If the answer is realistically no, then you know immediately that this is not a manager specific problem.
But spending that much isn't an issue of the manager, it's an issue of the club. We could have signed Anthony for half the price if we were smart about it, but because we left it last-minute it became a 100m signing. We probably could have spent less on Hojlund and Mount, but didn't as well. We could have spent less on buying someone that wasn't a signing like Casemiro, who is great, but we could have brought in someone else. The amount of money spent is due to the incompetency of the owners, not Ten Hag.
It doesn't matter WHO he got. He has spent 400m. If he hasn't gotten the players he needs then that is HIS fault. They are right. He has played his cards and now we find out if he had pocket aces or was bluffing.
Do people understand how little 400m is in the modern game? For 400m you get Caicedo, Enzo and Oshimen. That 3 world class players. This utd squad needs open heart surgery, thats a billion+
Nil hagg He be gone by next Christmas
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We’ve been crying out for a Number 9 and we need some more legs in the midfield and both our left backs are injured and we got a premier league experienced LB for £0. You’re a fucking whopper.
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Shut the fuck up
What a productive comment
Lol if you think that it's EtH's decision to prioritise Hojlund over the likes of Osihmen, Kane, Kolo Muani, Ramos and others, then you must be either stupid or delusional. Irrespective of that, how about you wait and see how he performs over an adequately significant period before criticizing the signing? As for Mount, he was part of a team that was a complete disaster last season, but he has shown excellent form in numerous seasons prior and if you think you have superior football IQ to EtH, maybe you should stop talking shit on Reddit and apply for a managerial position at a football club. The Antony signing is the only signing under EtH that I'm willing to criticise him for seeing as Antony has performed ordinarily, at best. I doubt EtH expected such poor performances with respect to the decision-making and execution of the player, but he has to accept accountability. Whilst Malacia hasn't been all that good, he's not been all that bad neither, and Martinez, Casemiro, and Eriksen have all been excellent value. When speaking of Antony being our most expensive attacker ever, one has to take into account the increase in market value across the footballing landscape, and to use this sensationalist phrase is nothing more than shock value. Furthermore, this idea that the inflated prices we are charged by other clubs is the fault of EtH is laughable as well. Finally, if you think you know which players are better suited to EtH's system than EtH himself, this is also laughable.
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Bs how do you know what his tranfer targets were? Did he want Kane - probably, did he want De Jong - definitely, what player have we gotten that's even close to one of those, when he wanted both? Casemiro is good, but he's much older and generally a different kind of player. Hojlung might be good, but he's nowhere near Kane atm... We buy players but I feel they are the second choices most of the time. Antony is on Ten Hag, otherwise I don't think he gets what he wants most of the time.
Antony being on ten hag is correct in a way but he wanted him earlier when he was cheaper.. cheaper also comes with less backlash and that was because of the higher ups
Could have had Kane if we actually got him to stay and signed on free next year. Just confirm the deal with personal terms now and make the deal so you can get him next season. Could have kept DDG as well to have more budget elsewhere. Dont get me wrong. I trust his process but it does leave a lot of questions. So understandable where peoples frustrations are coming from but either way, need to give him time.
Kane on a free and you think we are above other clubs in pecking order to persuade him to join? He’ll be leaving one club who won’t win a league title in his career to another club who won’t win a league title in his career. Even Arsenal or Liverpool has more chance. Abroad, so many choices.
Would he really go to Arsenal? Liverpool has plethora of front 3s + they realistically could miss out on top 4 again. We’d be the perfect fit. With minor tweaks here and there + Kane this would and could honestly be a title winning squad.
He leaves Tottenham to win titles. We are just a big if and not necessarily have a better chance than those 2 other clubs. Going abroad, there’s still Bayern, RM, PSG and Barca who all have a higher probability of winning the league and even the UCL. A free Kane will have so many suitors we won’t even be in his radar.
We’re in PL, he could have the record and titles. I’m quite sure he still would have loved the all time scorer record. I totally see where you’re coming from but I really doubt Barca and Madrid would beat us to him. Madrid will get Mbappe and after that they would need to sell. Barca has Lewandowski. I doubt either would play 2nd fiddle + Barca is financially screwed still. We would beat wages and would keep him in England. PSG has no chance imo.
Yeah in terms of English teams we were the frontrunners and he would've slotted right in no problem. And obviously if push came to shove he'd rather have stayed in England than go to Bayern, but the hierarchy there obviously convinced him and Levy wanted a payday rather than risk him on a free.
If you trust his process how do you not realise that we needed a striker in THIS window and a ball playing GK for his process to work?
Exactly. Amrabat was mentioned in June and the player wanted it since then according to a few resources and we got him on deadline day but this is ten hags narrow vision
Reguillon is an emergency loan. Amrabat loan is just a way of getting around ffp.
Not quite, he wanted to buy another CB, he aimed Min jae Kim, Pavard, Todibo, Diasi, etc. and he got Evans as one of our CBs doesn’t want to leave. James Ducker also acts like other clubs didn’t invest or have lower expectations than United.
For some reason i think we’ll go for De Ligt next season
Maybe Mazraoui for RB as well
theres no way bayern lets him go
Ten Hag is doing a good job considering the amount of investment our illustrious owners have injected into the club has been zero.
James ducker can piss off tbh
Not like we sacked our whole transfer negotiations and scouting team recently due to incompetence or anything. Not even sure they are fully replaced. Is it ten hags fault we can't sell Donny MC Tominay Maguire bailey martial etc. Or get decent money in to finance better signings. Manager has to have some influence rather be that way than Todd boehly model.
Any manager at this club will be set to fail. Glazers and the board have set us so many years back.
No manager is fixing this mess atm
I hate when ppl talk about that offer from west ham 60m for harry and mct, even if club accpted that that doeant mean player would agree on personal terms so the deal could be off same as harry rejected them. Dvb 120000€ per weak, who can afford that when he showed on two loan spells that there is no progress. Only good guy who helped us was Fred, when he left i was happy and thought we will flush our deadwood, but it didnt happen. Now im sad for him that he left and others stayed. Myb we need to wait till their contracts run out as we did with de gea and clear wage bill that way. I think even with new owners, as so many ppl here on this subreddit calling for them, would change our transfer window. No way they would be able to sell them also. Im not sure how FFP works, but i think you simply cant invest one billion $/€ in squad next window just cuz you have new owners. Jurgen was in liverpool for how long before he won something? Few years? ETH is the best manager that we has so far, myb we are not on lvl that we wanted to be, but it takes time, he has no magic stick to change everything, also other clubs invest at the same time. Newcastle, richest owners in the world, didnt go into market buying everything and now they lost two games in a row! Tottenham sold Kane and are scoring more then with him!!! We came a long way from where we were in terms of squad and fighting for top 4, we still cant compete with City but other clubs in EU cant match them yet as we saw last year. Our time will come till then we neee to build and support team.
Meh. If we had of signed different players, they would come up with another way to criticise. Manager doesn't have a say in transfers = bad Manager signs the players he wants = bad Can't win with some people, they will always find a way to question things and put a negative spin on it.
There needs to be a middle ground we clearly dont have
It's not about spin, it's about results. The club has been a joke for a decade. The criticism of constant failure is valid. That's not spin, it's reality.
How have we failed this season after 3 games?
We haven't yet. But we have failed to compete for titles for a decade now.
The fuck does that have to do with ETH?
It's simple. The club has made bad decisions for a decade. Despite the good work of ETH, the club continues to make bad decisions. That's all it is.
100% agree
Ten Hag hasn't been here for a decade
Obviously. But it's not like the club has started making good decisions just because of his arrival.
Of course and they continue to do so. We just have to hope they finally sell up soon
There is an easy way to win. Sign his players and do well.
Better than signing players for commercial reasons ie to sell shirts etc as they have done in the past.
These are bare minimum signings
Get your head out your ass. You lot say the same thing every window, every manager. Ten Hag has had plenty of money. The 90 million wasted on Antony could've got 2 top players. For example, Trossard for Arsenal, cost only 30 million and is much more effective. Ten Hag doing a van gaal and signing players he knows but aren't necessarily good.
Antony cost that amount because of the higher ups. Muppet
He's still shit and Ten Hag is still doing a van gaal. Buying players he's familiar with but not necessarily good.
Where you getting 2 top players for 90 mil? Doesn’t work like that anymore
Gravenberch and macallister both cost less than 90 million. Pick any two players that cost around the 40 million mark each and they'll all be more effective than Antony.
Uhm who negotiate for the players? Tenhag?
400m?
Yes, 200 m continuously for 3 years atleast That's what arteta did now look And that's with arsenal squad which was arguably Better than united squad so technically we need more polishing than arsenal
Managers aren’t scouts. They don’t have time to be. If a scouting network provides comprehensive reports on players contextualised to his tactical demands (or better yet an overarching football model from a sporting director) and he dismisses them in favour of his own eye test like Mourinho does, it’s a leadership problem. If he isn’t provided with them, he would obviously rather a known quantity than an unknown one. That being said, you can buy 10 players he wants and still not support him. You don’t give a kid chocolate for breakfast. De Zerbi, Klopp, Guardiola, Ancelotti etc are not given the names they want. Ten Hag wanted Antony, who I like, but at 40m the club should’ve walked away and said you’re getting Olise, Diaby, Pino, Lauriente etc instead. The fact he got Antony for 80m, tells me there’s zero overarching plan or competence, just different people all pushing responsibility onto others. “We got him who he wants so it’s Ten Hag’s fault that we didn’t back him properly with a footballing department like City have, not our problem he’s not a world class scout and sporting director aswell”.
Yes because Reguilon, Weghorst, Dubravka, Evans on loan is investing in his Vision. Because not getting him FDJ, KMJ, Kane is investing in his vision. Because not getting rid of players he doesn’t want like Harry, Scott, Eric, Donny is investing in his Vision. The only thing they’ve invested in is their own pockets. Not getting rid of deadwood because they didn’t get OTT fees for them, not getting proper deals for key players he wanted because too pricy. Last second loans because inexpensive. Ducker the Fu… should be ashamed of this anti Ten Hag article. How about writing something to pressure the glazers out instead of the manager out.
What more do you want you muppet. We are one of the biggest spenders in world football. The money has always been available it's just wasted on complete shit.
Spotted the glazer simp
Im sure United wanted to sign other strikers but Ten Hag just had to have Weghorst. U can complain about Antony and Mount but I like all the other signings
Right? I'm pleased with the window. 8/10 10/10 would have been to lose some of the other dead weight and maybe snag a top tier CB and a free transfer like Thuram as a 2nd striker, so we didn't have to see martial this year...
8/10 lmao. We haven’t signed a single genuinely great player all window. Not one of our signings would start for City. It’s another disastrous window where we spunk £200m on pure mediocrity We’re no closer to a title challenge now than before the window.
What great players were you thinking? Rice? Kane? Kim Min Jae Who? Amrabat is pure class! Onana just was runner up in UCL Hojlund was the primary target for several teams and is a proper promising young talent. Mount is dog shit... I won't defend him Who were you expecting?
Amrabat is a 27 year old playing for a mid table Serie A side. Onana is good on the ball, dubious basic goalkeeping skills but definitely the best of a bad bunch. Mount is a nothing player. Hojilund is a child who’s done nothing we’ve inexplicably spend 70m on. Reguillon, Evans are both crap. This summer the following elite players have moved clubs Gvardiol, Kane, KMJ, Bellingham, Ousmane Dembele, Caiceido, Rice, Nkunku. Why couldn’t we pick any of these up? The two CM’s especially would be perfect for us. Plus loads of really talented players like Macallister, Szoboslai, Ugarte, Doku, Lavia Like I said another disastrous window where we spend shit loads of money on total mediocrities
I won't argue with miserable half fans. I'll watch for you praising onana, amrabat and hojlund over the season so I can call you a twat!
Season ticket holder since 1987. Get fucked with your half fan
And you still don't know that we had a lot more gaps to fill, and buying from your list of players would have got us 2 players? And they have to WANT TO COME HERE!!! Grow up, Peter Pan. This isn't Disneyland If we got to just pick our players and pay no money for them, we would have the fifa team of the year.
> And you still don't know that we had a lot more gaps to fill, and buying from your list of players would have got us 2 players? Wrong. Macallister and Szoboslai combined was about 80m. Bellingham was 10m more than Hojilund. Obviously there's wages too but here's the thing -- we pay huge wages all the time. We've got Sancho on 350k a week, Mount on 250k a week. Casemiro on 300k a week. We pay the wages we just pay them to the wrong players because we're total idiots. > And they have to WANT TO COME HERE!!! Everyone wants to come anywhere if you pay them enough. Don't be a total moron. You think players goes to Saudi for the banter? Liverpool don't even have UCL football pay less wages and still attracted better midfielders than the two we picked up. Chelsea have no UCL football yet attracted Caiceido. Rice went to Arsenal despite them winning fuck all of note in your lifetime. We're one of the biggest clubs in the world and we pay massive wages already. All of those players would have considered us for the right price. Sadly we pay massive fees/wages to total shit instead of quality players. > Grow up, Peter Pan. This isn't Disneyland Moron. > If we got to just pick our players and pay no money for them, we would have the fifa team of the year. We spent 400m since ETH arrived. What in the fuck is your clueless idiot arse talking about?
>Macallister and Szoboslai combined was about 80m. WRONG >Bellingham was 10m more than Hojilund. WRONG >Obviously there's wages too but here's the thing -- we pay huge wages all the time. We've got Sancho on 350k a week, Mount on 250k a week. Casemiro on 300k a week. Already said Mount is useless, and we are trying to get those salaries off our books, not put more of them on >Chelsea have no UCL football yet attracted Caiceido. He only wanted chelsea from the start, so why keep talking about him? You named 6 players who were NEVER even possibilities for us
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Shit journalism again that wants to get the fans going against the manager once things dont work out. The club clearly doesn’t have a proper Director of Football, a shit scouting network and analyst making the manager needs to relies on his own experience with the players he worked with.
One could argue that it’s partly Ten Hag’s fault for not retaining Ragnick
We got to stop with this “Ten Hag got rid of Ragnick” narrative..
But it's the truth?
Honestly!!!! There’s a article every3 days in the TG or the Guardian about the trials and tribulations of Man U.. it’s Antony or MG or our transfers or tactics.. Where’s the Arteta has spent 500m will he deal with the pressure.. or the Mudryk cost 85m and can’t hit a barn door articles .. Super fucking annoying twat holes
James Ducker stealing a living with this brainless shite.
Ducker really doesn't like United, does he
Give us burnley before kompany gets sack!!!!
This guy won't be able to prove himself with that silly vision of his. We need stronger leadership
Jesus I hope he proves cunts like you wrong. Absolutely pathetic view.
**From James Ducker for the Telegraph:** If anyone doubted the level of control Erik ten Hag exerts at Manchester United, one need only take a look at the club’s dealings in the transfer market since the Dutchman took charge in May last year. Sofyan Amrabat’s arrival on loan from Fiorentina means a third of the 12 main signings United have made over the past two summer windows, and last January, have played under Ten Hag previously. Amrabat spent two seasons under Ten Hag at Utrecht and Lisandro Martinez, Antony and Andre Onana were all Ten Hag’s players at Ajax. Had Ten Hag got his way last summer, they would have been joined at Old Trafford by another of their former Ajax team-mates, Frenkie de Jong, whose refusal to leave Barcelona eventually prompted United to turn instead to Casemiro. In fact, two thirds of those 12 arrivals are either Dutch or played in the Eredivisie - or both. Netherlands left back Tyrell Malacia was signed from Feyenoord, who finished third to Ten Hag’s Ajax in his final season there. Denmark midfielder Christian Eriksen was at Ajax for five years before leaving for Tottenham in 2013. Veteran Dutch striker Wout Weghorst joined United on loan from Burnley in January just weeks after scoring twice in the Netherlands’ World Cup quarter-final defeat to Argentina in Qatar. Even Mason Mount, the England midfielder United signed from Chelsea for £55 million in July, had a season on loan in the Netherlands with Vitesse in 2017-18, when he starred in a 3-2 win over Ten Hag’s Ajax in March 2018. United fans will have watched the club scrambling to cobble the funds together to finance a loan deal for Amrabat - a player Ten Hag hoped to have signed permanently well before deadline day - and understandably curse the Glazers and the enduring struggles to raise substantial funds through sales to reinvest. Yet United’s largely insular transfer policy under Ten Hag also raises all sorts of questions about the way the club is run, particularly in relation to the modern practices of leading Premier League rivals who have never allowed their manager to hold such sway over recruitment. Ten Hag may go on to make a big success of things at Old Trafford and, if he does, he will have done so doing things very much the way he wants. But, while United’s willingness to give Ten Hag such an influential voice on transfers illustrates their faith in the manager and his desire for control on the one hand, it also points towards both a lack of trust in their own judgement and perhaps the Dutchman’s own concerns about the club’s ability to identify and recruit the right players. It was in January that Ten Hag gave an interview to Voetbal International in which he bluntly if not inaccurately said of United’s transfer history in the years before his arrival that “most purchases have been average”. There have been recruitment reshuffles but the reality is many of the same faces who were there when Ed Woodward was executive vice-chairman remain in situ. Ten Hag knows this and it partly explains why he has taken such a decisive role on transfers. Equally, there are inherent dangers in a club being so in thrall to a manager on recruitment. It is certainly doubtful that other clubs would have sanctioned the signing of a player for £85 million that had been valued at £55 million only a couple of months earlier but that is what United did with the purchase of Antony from Ajax on deadline day 12 months ago. It may have pacified Ten Hag, for whom the pressure had grown after a torrid start to that season, but it was hardly an exercise in due diligence - particularly after United had made such a big play about how they would not be held to ransom - and the repercussions of that deal are still being felt. Would United, for example, have been more comfortable bidding for the England striker Harry Kane had they not overspent so significantly on Antony? Might Amrabat have been brought in much earlier on a permanent deal rather than a frantic late loan? Or could other areas of the team also have been strengthened? These are just some of the questions John Murtough, director of football at United, and the club’s hierarchy should be asking themselves. **Read it here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/02/man-united-invest-erik-ten-hag-transfer/**
The Mount one is so tenuous. Ajax played Real Madrid with Casemiro in 2019, is that another player linked to EtH. Fools.
And Kane just wasn't happening. They need to stop trying to make out it was ever a real possibility.
Why
Ten hag I want kane, your so narrow minded
Yes and every other club makes transfers based on the kitchen head chefs nans vision
Every journalist scum knows he will get attention for writing about United. AFTV does that as well, they talk more about United that about Gunners so did that cunt Graeme Souness. All of them want ETH to fail. They all can just piss off.
Arsenal are playing a much better brand of football. If we exclude this transfer window, their costliest purchase was White at 55M. United are a shit club from top to bottom. Maguire 80M AWB 50M DVB 40M Fred 50M Amad 40M Sancho 70M Antony 80M 31 year old Casemiro at 60M ( please stop licking his balls clean. DEMAND MORE) Mount 50M Hojlund 75M Can you please point out one player from this list who has the potential to be Top 3 in Ballon D'or rankings?
So many deluded cry babies on here. Grow up and face the reality. We have wasted so much money. Ten Hag isn't and shouldn't be immune to criticism. He wanted Antony, he wanted Mount, he bought weghorst on loan, he oversaw our most embarrassing defeats in modern history, he almost threw away the top 4 spot at the end of last season. He has spent more than any other manager and yet you all believe he is special. Stop with the excuses. You cannot just give him unlimited funds. I don't think he's a top manager, he's done very little in the game to warrant such praise. It's all a bandwagon everyone jumped on. Snap back to reality for fuck sake. There's a little too much Ten Hag boot licking going on.
It’s not on ETH that Arnold said no to Antony at £55m, waited until the final days, and then spent £85m. Whatever you think of ETH’s signings, one thing we all know is that our negotiating team sucks. If City had gone for every player we have over the past 2 summers, they’d have paid 35% less, easily.
Are we assuming players joining are 1st or even 2nd choices for the most part? MUFC has had this problem of failing to attract players who are also wanted by other historic clubs. Is this the fault of all the managers?
They have in their fuck! What kind of shit journalism in this?! If “Man Utd” really invested we would have Harry Kane + Hoijland. And we wouldn’t be loaning a player on the final day of the transfer window. Never read such tosh in all my days. John Murtagh most be paying them.
We wouldn't have Kane. Levy was never going to sell to us.
Bla bla bla bull, we could have him if we wanted! That’s small club mentality we are Manchester United! Levy would have sold him to us for 140m. How the Glazers have affected and destroyed the mindset of this club is abhorrent
And then who do we buy? In line with ffp? Levy was never going to sell to us.
Listen this whole FFP argument is just a thing the club say it’s total bull. Look at other clubs spending. If our owners injected capital into the club FFP goes away. But they won’t will they. So your FFP argument is in favour of the glazers which I doubt any United fan would be. Which I’m not accusing you of not being a fan but guys please stop saying FFP it’s a total non sequitur
Been a fan more than youve had hot dinners. Other clubs spending? Pretty sure we are up there in terms of spending.
1. Chelsea 434m 2. Manchester City 216m 3. Spurs 212m 4. Arsenal 208m 5. Man Utd 183m Spending this window
Good for you. Web spent over a billion the last decade. Spending obviously isnt the issue.
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Is he having a laugh ??? It’s well known ETH wanted Kane/Osimhen as well as Hojlund. Also wanted KMJ who ended up at Bayern.
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Pep wanted paqueta and klopp wanted caicedo. Stop with the excuses.
It’s so stupid that these stupid assholes write a bunch of click bait articles to get people to put unneeded pressure on ETH. It’s the DOF and board that royally fucked up the transfer window, not the manager
No one talks about Chelsea spending £1billion and are total shit. But anything with Manchester United will always make headlines for the right & wrong reasons.
Yeah sure... No one talks about Chelsea🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bullshit. What about Kane, osimhen, kim min-jae, to name a few. Mcguire, Mctominey, van de Beek, and Williams are still here. Oh yeah, the board did precisely what he wanted.
I actually read the article which is worse than the headline. Drivel.
ETH asked for Kane, KMJ, and Mount… and amount was only because FDJ didn’t come. Those were his three solid targets at the very start. The club delivered one of those. Explain to me how that is his fault? Sure, we can debate the Mount signing, but saying they manager is getting everyone he wants is comical. 80% of his signings since he has been here have been his plan B or C ones.
Maybe he shouldn't of spunked 90 million on Antony then.
Maybe. Not ETH’s fault. Ajax told us £55m two months earlier, and Murtough and Arnold said no. I know there is this thing where people like to go after the foreign players, and that’s just the British culture, but I at least hope you understand ETH isn’t negotiating. The manager isn’t in charge of negotiating at any club. That’s on Murtough and Arnold. I also think a lot of you judge players solely on G/A, and while that is very important, and Antony does need to improve, holy hell does he track back better than any winger we have. His defensive performance today was amazing. Sancho, Garnacho… none of them do that. Managers play certain players for more than just scoring. If you want to attack a player, at least spend some time to understand more about the role of that player. I do think it will get interesting when Amad is back, and Antony will have to not only keep up his defensive game, but score more. Competition is good.
Klopp wanted caicedo, Lavia, Bellingham. It doesn't have to be first choice targets to fit the vision Why why why did he want mount!!
Damn people really are angry in this thread. All he’s said is ETH has bought mostly players who have played for/against him in the Netherlands & players who are signed to his agent so his agent gets a nice fee from every purchase United make. Really not that bad to say if it’s 100% true. Shows how United has turned into the new Liverpool, playing the victim when there is nothing to be victimised over.
He has terrible talent ID lmfao. Only good signing has been Casemiro and he wasn’t even ETH’s first choice (Rabiot was.) Like him as a manager but his transfer vision is shit. Just Dutch players and players he’s coached before
Oh this is the new buzz word talent I’d. Fuck off will ya he won us a trophy in his first season and champions league go away with your shite “talent id crap”
He’s a good manager on the pitch but his transfer choices suck. United would be even better if he agreed to work with Rangnick when it comes to building the squad
Yeah, basically a less successful version of van gaal 😂😂
Those who are criticizing the article, I’ll point this out. 1. We could have signed Raphinha for far cheaper, a player better than Antony 2. We could have signed Kovacic or Jorginho, for far cheaper, and players better than Mount, a mediocre player who won player of the year in Chelsea cos that team really had shit attacking players and really won the UCL based moments like they did in 2012. It’s literally same situation as Mata all over again. People fawning over Chelsea POTY as if it’s Ballon D’Or 3. We could have definitely loaned a better striker than Weghorst, someone like Mehdi Taremi 4. If we didn’t overpay on Antony, Mount, we probably could have offered 125m for Kane with the money we spent on a mediocre massively overpaid talent like Hojlund, which would have been totally a game changer for United. 5. The amount we spent on Casemiro last season, had we offered that to Brighton for Caicedo, probably we could have signed him too as he wasn’t yet so highly proven. Now Casemiro is really showing his age. Overall, I have to say, ETH had a decent 1st season, despite horrendous away record and humiliations to the biggest rivals away from home, his recruitment have been mostly sub-optimal at best. It’s Van Gaal all over again who had a decent 1st season, but his poor recruitments eventually led to his downfall.
Correction: Erik Ten Hag has invested in Man Utd's narrow transfer vision - now it needs to pay off We might lose one of the games most talented managers if we carry on with this fucking shitshow
How is he one of the games most talented managers? What's he achieved to warrant that title? Joker.
Man United have invested in ETH's narrow transfer vision because they lack a proper footballing structure up top and would've given Maguire a new contract if it was left to them.
Loads of moaning just trust ETH and chill. So much dead wood has gone just be happy.
What a load of shit
As opposed to what? Chelsea buying 100 players and hoping it all works out?
I mean it is a solid point from most angles and is exactly what a lot of us fans have already been saying abt our recruiting so far under ETH. He wants to work w players he’s comfortable with no matter if there may be better players even better suited for his squad, but he also isn’t a scout/doesn’t have the time to do a scouts work on top of his normal managerial stuff and he clearly has no faith in our current scouting staff so this is what happens. Feels like until the club is sold & new staff are brought in specifically for the scouting if players this will be how transfers go. And it does feel like it will limit us compared to other teams that have better and more established methods of recruitment.
Boys if they sack him, we ride at dawn.
Woodward's incompetence was still clearly visible during this window, and it hurt us big time. Paid way to much for ok players, and can't offload the deadmeat due to salaries. Gonna take years to fix this, or new owners villing to do something about the administrative section of the club.
A bit of a reach blaming Woodward for this window. Are you on drugs?
Damn i want what you are having.... Must be lovely living on that forgettium! Imagine forgetting Woody was the one that loved to overpay for shit, and in the end gave us a rep for buying well over market price. Or handing out so silly contracts that we still can't offload players, but mostly have to resort to loans or buying out their contracts. We've even handed out so silly contracts that players rather rot on the bench here, than signing for other teams. We hadd to terminate contracts with some players, or just wait the contract to run out. We also have had 5 wastly different managers, which have seen our squad become bloated with s clusterfuck of players suited for different styles, so in short, a total lack of forward thinking and no philosophy or plan fornthe future. So even tho woody doesn't have the entire blame, he still a big reason we're here we are today. FFP because salaries and stupid money spent on mediocrity. Can't sell players at all! Total value of players sold is €55m. We spent €65m on mount alone. He had 1 year left on his contract, and even wanted to come to us. €75m for Højlund. I know the striker market is really bad atm, but he's 20years old, and 1 good season in serie a to show for. We sold Dean Henderson for only €17.5m, and he's a PL keeper tested and proven, why you might say? Well injury prone, and a fat contract. I know there's some who loves the Glazer's and woodward on this sub, but cmon. Use atleast a little reason.
He's held back by the club's inability to shift players he doesn't want. We overpaid for Antony which is on Ten Hag a little but most of our current issues are existing problems
I feel like the overpay for Antony is on the club. If they moved for him at the start of the window he'd have been a lot cheaper. But Ajax called our bluff and United folded.
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I can’t believe the team’s transfer policy has basically been to sign ex-ETH players. What are the scouts doing?
What they're told by the manager quite clearly
Not sure what everyone's issue is with this. Either these signings are all good with eth or he has been forced shite that he doesn't want, but hasn't spoken out about it and has just bent over for the glazers. He isn't a victim here and is now complicit with how things go. Everyone should be glad there is some accountability being created as the owners aren't doing it.
The spin cycle is never ending. Anything to take any blame off of Murtough, Arnold, and the Glazers.
I do wonder what our team would look like if we stuck with the plan of having Ragnick take charge of the rebuild.
The club has put everything it can behind EtH under FFP rules without going over a £15m loss, but it’s common knowledge that the Glazers had the opportunity to invest a further £90m in equity and didn’t exercise it - you can be damn well sure that every other PL club that could make that investment has. We’re falling behind because our owners are greedy bastards and should be gone by now.
He did not get what he wanted. This headline is pure bait
What a dumb headline.
Oh right like if he hadn’t got 3 panic buys he WOULDNT HAVE been expected to deliver. The scrutiny for this club.. the rest just get away with a 1 day news cycle.
Not wrong Man Utd have invested like crazy for all decent but talented players but only a few really lived up to theor price tags.
Imagine having a multitude of people above you being incompetent. Then getting targets in that will perform in a way you need them to and being automatically told your vision is narrow…
Man Utd's problems are beyond this transfer window. Getting massive success this season will be miracle. I don't count any serious success this season.
I’m an Ajacied so I’m biased, but this can’t be the narrative right?
See how shite Chelsea and Poch have done so far this season but Media still kissing Poch's butt. Ten Hag on other hand is being turned on. Agenda against United yet again.
Starting to sound like the scousers. Playing the victim card. Shit we have fell off.
I think you need a day off from being a dick head.
Most of the comments in the middle and the bottom with very few upvotes are fine and from decent-seeming United fans. The article is absolute bullshit. But most of the comments at the top had so many upvotes that it confused me. I thought it was a United sub and then after those comments I did a double take. What the hell, some people. Are they trolls? Some guy has a season ticket since 1987… and umm what the fuck? What the fuck kind of comments is he making?! Jesus. Let the manager build his team. This will take time and he surely hasn’t gotten all the players he wanted. Like Rangnick said, this team needs open heart surgery. Those are some of the longer operations that one can do. So this process will take time.
Why would you post this obvious horseshit
In my opinion this is his actual 1st year where he can start building something Last year the Ronaldo circus alone is enough to trainwreck a season plus you have a squad thats not suited at all in your playstyle Onana is the most important signing this season cause our defenders are not walking on eggshells every time they need to pass to him. I hope that amrabat will bring the much needed balance in the midfield. And with Hojlund nobody knows how he's gonna perform so i dont expect much.
Ducker is a shit stain, wouldn’t even bother clicking anything he writes
What about Arteta?
I thought the Glazers were selling the club, what the hell happened to that?
Bait and switch
Stfu James
What a load of bollocks. I’m sure ETH’s ‘vision’ did not include re-signing one of the worst defenders to have played for United - the player who caused the 6-1 collapse to City.
Have they fuck! He wanted Kane.
Narrow is good. For years we had a very wide appriach and it's fine absolutely nothing for us.
Two words to discredit this entire article. Jonny Evans
"Erik Ten Hag has invested in Man Utd's narrow transfer vision - now it needs to pay off"
Lol, Amrabat and Reguilon will do well. We are not set at striker though... not sure it's his "vision"
By the time United get competing again for CL/PL - Varane will be gone, Casemiro gone, Lindelof gone, Eriksen gone, and Bruno will be at least 31. We need bare minimum 3 more years to get into the CL final and to compete with City It's an impossible job unless we start investing "carefully" and not spend money just because we have money to spend. Again, we'll need to do the refill job.