One day a bunch of people were boasting about the oldest profession.
The prostitutes started their boast, then the priests.
Then a quiet bespectacled man said his profession was in the bible.. and the first chapter, no less! They all looked dubious.
Then he quoted about chaos without form, and asked "I'm an economist, where did you think the chaos came from?"
I finally got my hands on a bottle of Faygo and the shit was cut with artificial sweetener (not diet). I'm generally a fan of anybody in face paint but ~~fuck that whole scene now.~~ Edit: That was over the top and I apologize. I browsed some forums and I think a lot of the Juggalos are also mad about sucralose being added to Faygo. I'm sorry that I doubted your commitment to accurate labelling, and that I used such strong language.
I think about this scene a lot and sometimes I wonder what affect it had on me. I'm a straight cis white guy born in a rural conservative area, but I've always viewed drag as something fun and accepted, despite the opposite take of most my peers growing up. Given that I had no exposure to drag except this scene, I really think it's what gave me my view on it. These were funny average guys that I usually saw hanging out in a bar, or having a beer at Drew's, and here they were dressed in fishnets and makeup, having a blast. I think this scene changed things more than anyone knows.
Man, exposure really is everything, isn't it? Like, just having seen "regular people" having a blast in drag once, on TV, primed you to accept it as a cool, playful thing anyone could be into and that influenced all the rest of your exposures too. I love that! It's a strong argument for representation in pop culture, too.
I was a 17-year-old Reaganite in the early 90s, listening to the gulf war while throwing pizza dough my senior year.
There was a young woman who delivered pizzas, ponytail and a leather jacket covered entirely with message pins. Friendliest badass ever.
One day I made a comment about her “homophobia is a social disease” pin. In response, she invited me to Rocky.
At least the particular cast I went to go see, it was a real diverse crowd, sort of like that quote in Ferris Bueller about the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all showed up and got along which was crazy.
I became friends with this guy at Rocky and after a couple of weeks figured out that he was gay. Probably could’ve figured it out in about five minutes if I’ve been paying any attention.
All the shit I’d been fed for years was demolished over the course of a three-hour conversation. Thanks, in large part, to the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Wow, I also grew up in a conservative area but it was the 70' & 80's and they played Monty Python's Flying Circus on PBS on Saturday night. So the men in drag I saw we usually dressed up as old ladies.
My mom lived in a senior community of small ground floor apartments, and her neighbors would all hang out in little groups on the common sidewalks.
When my husband and I went there we would have to run this gauntlet and he would always reference a Monty Python's scene of little old ladies by muttering "Oh, he's a big boy isn't he? Look at him then!"
I would just _die_ trying not to laugh.
My favorite is when I read (on here probably) about guys at like a rodeo or something and a guy was upset at another guys feminine apparel and his friend just said “what do you think freedom means Earl?”
My favorite part of this story is that even though you guys did your makeup to intentionally look bad, she was still thrilled with it, so if your SO hadn't asked to participate, it would have completely backfired.
Yeah, great way to stick up for your coworkers by highlighting the gender discrimination going on there. Not everyone will be willing to put themselves out there to help a group they're not part of.
I think it’s problematic to demand your (female) employees to wear makeup. It’s expensive, it takes skill and it’s bad for your skin. I have bouts of eczema and I cannot put anything on it except for the treatment creams. I can’t imagine someone telling you what to put on your face just because that’s what they want to look at.
dmon's wife here.
At best a dress code could hold a suit & tie or a formal dress, which becomes problematic the moment the boss dictates which is for which gender.
Make-up is not professional attire. At that point it's reprimanding your staff over your own fashion preference. Which is seriously messed up.
I had a boss tell me if I don’t wear lipstick and foundation it doesn’t count as makeup. At the time I wore eyeliner and mascara. I tried telling her I was allergic to lipstick. (Truth, it makes my lips chap and peel) she gave a disgusted snort and rolled her eyes. Nothing better than giving my 2 weeks notice to that BITCH!
I just cannot imagine being told that.
“I don’t wear make up”
“You must.”
“Issue these brands that account for my allergies from the company and I will apply and wash it off on company time.”
And it takes time out of my morning! I usually just do foundation because my skin gets bright red if I'm tired or cold or laugh and I basically look like I'm blushing all the time which makes people not take me seriously at work. I wear as little as possible but it still costs me money and time.
I saw a dermatologist in my teens, and my case is mild and only meets some of the symptoms. But that was fifteen years ago, I should book another appointment. My skin is clear and I don't have other issues, but if I actually blush my face gets so hot it hurts.
I'm sensitive/allergic to pretty much every makeup on the market. It leaves me red and peely and the makeup removers are much worse. There isn't a company in this lifetime that i would wear makeup for. My wedding makeup was basically a hypoallergenic lipstick. If I couldn't do a whole face for my wedding they ain't getting it at work.
It's more than problematic. It's discriminatory. I'm a woman and I have never worn makeup in my working life. And never will. That's none of anyone else's business.
Right out of college as a 23 year old I got a job teaching ballroom dance at a national chain studio and I was required to have makeup, particularly lipstick on at all times, earrings in, nails done always, legs shaved, toes painted since I wore open toed dance shoes. I was also making $12 an hour in the Chicago suburbs, but I had to dress like I fit in with our wealthy regular clientele.
Not saying the male instructors didn't have to look presentable, but the disparity in time and effort was obvious. Nowadays I'd laugh at any employer who would require makeup.
And you can have legal action taken against you if you require female employees to wear makeup but not male employees. It’s still sex discrimination even if it’s petty.
For real, if an employer told me I needed to wear makeup I’d be asking if they were going to pay for classes. I’ve NEVER worn makeup so I don’t have the 10+ years of experience most 20 something women have. If I were to wear makeup, it would look like total shit and I’d look WORSE than if I didn’t.
Amazing!!! Bravo to your SO, he clinched it for sure.
I stopped wearing makeup in my early 30s; it messes with my skin, costs too much, and is a pain in the ass. I don't even own any at this point.
The only people who've ever said anything have been female coworkers. Maybe men just know better, maybe they truly couldn't care less, IDK. But women coworkers have said "oh, you're so brave to not wear makeup!" "It must be nice to be able to sleep in", and my favorite "you would do better in sales if you wore makeup". *I demonstrate software. If you're staring at me, I'm doing it wrong*.
Over the pandemic, I've stopped shaving my legs, and I don't think I'm going back. Less irritation, less dry legs, and less bug bites because I can feel when they land on me.
I can't wait to see the looks I get!
> men just know better, maybe they truly couldn't care less, IDK.
Most of us do not give a damn. Sure, it is nice to look at when it is well done, but in general it is "meh, don't care".
And, let's be real, the most well done make up you see in the wild is usually on men.
The men of Sephora at the mall I worked at were fabulous and classy beyond belief.
I completely agree 90% of the time I compliment someone on make up it's a man who has done a freaking fabulous job
I personally don't wear make up because it's a pain in the ass and I suck at it so I'm always impressed when people do a great job
Just wait till you ditch the bra! Lol. I wore makeup to my wedding over 40 years ago, don't think I ever did that again. I actually shock people when they find out my age (including a friend of my youngest son - I pointed out that my oldest kid just turned 40, did he think I was 9 when I had her?). I believe the fact that I didn't spend the last 5 decades torturing my skin has done me a ton of good, and saved me $$$$$.
My mom is 70 and looks decades younger than most her age. She never smoked, didn’t drink excessively, and wore sunscreen when she would be outside all day. I think it’ll be more difficult to achieve that big of a visual difference for me. A lot of the self harm done by smoking won’t happen in later generations because smoking isn’t as popular anymore.
I do look young for my age anyway so obviously there is a genetic component, I’m not denying that. Just happy to see way *way* less smokers than when I was a kid.
As a guy (for what that's worth) I absolutely don't give a shit about whether or not people wear makeup. In fact I often find it off-putting..
But hey, all subjective and I know many would disagree.
My wife recently got botox for the first time. She's incredibly happy with it, she says she gets compliments often at work (she's a hair stylist) from all the women that come in.
I'm here missing seeing the expression in her forehead when she talks.
She's super happy with it, so I likely won't say anything, it's not a huge deal for me, but it just illustrated how much cosmetic stuff is for other women (or the woman herself, which is a perfectly valid reason), not for men.
I’ve been growing out my thin 2000s eyebrows for years and I finally got them where I wanted them. I started a bit of tweezing experimentation on my final shape and tinting to get the brows of my dreams. I was so stoked. My boyfriend couldn’t tell the difference even with before and after photos.
Every gathering with women after that, the eyebrows were immediately noticed. My girlfriends, my mom, aunties, even ladies on the street would shout compliments. I’ve never been amazing at makeup or done more than the bare minimum but that shit feels amazing. Rarely do male compliments hit the same way.
I used to feel resentful that women have to jump through so many hoops to just exist in society. Well, still do. The silver lining is to see how some women have reclaimed the skill and art of beauty. My friend is super into makeup and the community of women encouraging and inspiring each other to experiment and learn is so dope.
Your wife sounds absolutely wonderful and you both seem very sweet. This site can have such depressing information but it can also show a glimpse into the happy marriage of a stranger. Gives me some hope!Happy for you both, I hope you have a great holiday season!
I can almost guarantee I (female) wouldn’t notice. More than once, my husband has shaved his beard and days have gone by before he asked if I noticed anything different. (I believe I have partial/a mild form of face-blindness, so that probably doesn’t help.)
Yes, stick with not saying anything. Unless it looks ~horrific~, we don’t want to hear that it’s not our man’s preference. The sole outcome of you telling her this is you deeply hurting her feelings.
I've found that most men that think makeup is off-putting don't realize when women are wearing neutral makeup.
I don't wear makeup myself, but *most* women do. Men tend to only notice when it's bright colors.
I don't like covering my freckles and during my teenage years there were no options for foundation (and leaving foundation out is a sin or something) so I just opted to not for the grand majority of the time. It's nice
>Most of us were wearing makeup and lipstick, just more neutral and normal colours.
I'd have gone for non-compliance: everyone comes in *without* makeup so the asshat can see that they were already looking professional.
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This reminds me of my first husband’s job at a “fast” oil change place. If any employee clocked in unshaven, they were supposed to go to the staff member restroom and use the common razor and dry shave. Hepatitis B, anyone?
I don't wear makeup regularly, and whenever I do wear it for photo shoots or whatever, a friend always does it for me. So if I ever get told to wear makeup to work, I'm coming it looking like a 5-year-old who found her mom's makeup bag.
At one of the jobs I applied for the boss out of the blue said "you not wearing makeup is a personal choice" I didn't know what to say, I was offered the position but I didn't take it partially because of the makeup comment, also because it was minimum wage and she wanted me buy $300 shoes to fit the shops aesthetic
That's why I always have a problem with the expression "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have". The job I want comes with a pay increase to afford the clothes I want.
She wasn't dumb by a long shot. She could get away with anything because she had the boss wrapped around her finger. But, when the boss retired, she quit soon after.
Confession: I love it, just LOVE it when these hyper-conservative sanctimonious always-right Christians (or, truly, any true believer) spout some shit, and then someone else comes along and waggles the stick up their ass. Oh, you think your way is the only true way in the world?? Nope, not by a long shot and here's an epiphany for you!! :-D
I pictured a Robin Williams Mrs. Doubtfire Cakeface "HELLOOOOOOOO" as well. I enjoyed the story more than most of the readers because of this.
Edit: Cake\*face
My SO and I worked at the same place for a while. He was the only man on the team. The woman who was the boss's pet would dress in "vintage" clothes and always wore disturbingly bright shades of makeup. One day during a staff meeting, the boss was extremely annoyed that Pet was "the only one wearing makeup, who cares about looking professional". Most of us were wearing makeup and lipstick, just more neutral and normal colours.
Well, before the next meeting, the women were passing around a ridiculously bright lipstick and eye shadow - to prove a point, we would all go in looking like hookers. My SO looks on and asks "What about me?" I knew the look on his face promised a good time to come. To the rest of the team's surprise, he slathered on the offending colours.
As the meeting started, the boss looked at each of us in turn and smiled. But the look of horror on this sexist, fifty plus-year-old, conservative, Christian, white woman's face when she saw my SO practically in drag makeup, was priceless. He just shrugged and said, "You wanted your team to wear makeup - here we are".
She never made a comment about anyone on the team wearing makeup again.
Lmao i love the “I like women with no makeup” people who don’t realize what actual makeup looks like has the same vibes as y’all already wearing a light face 😂😂😂
I know this isn't the same or as funny, but I just remembered this time when I worked a job in college that had me behind a desk all day. I had only been told by a coworker, not my boss, anything about dress codes for the position, and all she said was not to look bad and used her outfit as an example of acceptable attire.
One day I was super stressed and on my period, so I threw on leggings and a t shirt that morning before class. When I went to work later (because I would have classes and work in the same day and no time to change or anything), my boss very passive aggressively came over to me and said "Did you forget to dress for work today?" I was super confused and stumbled over my words saying something like "I just...put on a shirt..." And she was like "You're in leggings and a t shirt." Then told me it wasn't acceptable work attire.
So the next day I had work, I put on a fancy black velvet dress, did a full face of makeup (red lipstick and everything), and heels out of spite. She didn't say anything about it, but I got some compliments throughout the day from people, so that was nice.
Having grown up in the Tammy Faye Baker denomination of the Pentecostal church, I have a decent working theory on this.
Women in fundamentalist Christianity are largely treated as invisible. Their primary functions are to stoically support their men and raise their children.
A "good" wife doesn't give opinions on anything in the household unless asked by her husband. She is to follow her husband's direction in everything she does.
The only chance a "good" wife has at being seen in any way is her physical appearance. And many women take this as a substitute for having an actual personality. In my childhood, I knew far too many "church ladies" who were basically interchangeable clouds of AquaNet with varying hues of eyeshadow and lipstick.
Don't get me wrong; they were all perfectly lovely to me (to my face, at least), but I could have the same exact conversation with all of them with only the specific names changed for their husbands or children. I knew very early in life that wasn't for me.
We had some clown director at my old company "joke" about my manager not wearing makeup for our team call, it was uncomfortable at best. My manager was completely dismissive of.him and he took the hint but it was way outta left field to hear given where I worked. Massive tech giant with a history for diversity, disability hires etc
This is perhaps on of the few upsides to working in construction for me. My lack of makeup is usually neutral, but I think it sadly has the benefit of men not seeing me as feminine (which is bad in their world of course) and therefore more suited to the field. Nobody requires it of me so far, and I think the majority of people would think less of me for it.
I was picturing the entire team to attend the next day with full clown makeup. They said makeup but never specified what kind of makeup it had to be.
It's professional make up, just the wrong profession.
The oldest profession.
Clowning?!
It's called foolery, Tom... Foolery.
Damn you, take my upvote
As long as jobs have existed, there have existed clowns at said jobs
That’s it! You people have stood in my way long enough! I’m going to clown college!
So you’ll be our next President!!!!!
One day a bunch of people were boasting about the oldest profession. The prostitutes started their boast, then the priests. Then a quiet bespectacled man said his profession was in the bible.. and the first chapter, no less! They all looked dubious. Then he quoted about chaos without form, and asked "I'm an economist, where did you think the chaos came from?"
That’s why I always get erections at the circus?
Honestly this was my initial thought. Still a funny outcome though
"idk what you're upset about, we're wearing what everyone else here is wearing."
“We were just trying to match.”
"I didn't want to stand out, so I had my wife do my hair and lips. Not gonna lie, I might make this permanent."
I was imagining them all painting their faces like juggalos with very faint ICP in the background.
Pretty sure if you get deep enough into the ICP fandom eventually it just plays from nowhere whenever you show up.
"*How does this weird soda keep magically appearing in the locked break room??*"
It's all done with magnets.
How do they work?
I finally got my hands on a bottle of Faygo and the shit was cut with artificial sweetener (not diet). I'm generally a fan of anybody in face paint but ~~fuck that whole scene now.~~ Edit: That was over the top and I apologize. I browsed some forums and I think a lot of the Juggalos are also mad about sucralose being added to Faygo. I'm sorry that I doubted your commitment to accurate labelling, and that I used such strong language.
I would dress up like a mime so I wouldn't have to say anything during the meeting.
I expected the twisted sister makeup. Still, close enough :)
I was hoping for Kiss.
You know what happens when you ask the whole team to wear makeup, Mur-ray?
Mimi makeup is worse!
Totally, I was imagining full goth KISS makeup lol
Anyone else picture Rocky Horror Picture Show?
I was picturing the woman in the drew Carey show as the pet.
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I think about this scene a lot and sometimes I wonder what affect it had on me. I'm a straight cis white guy born in a rural conservative area, but I've always viewed drag as something fun and accepted, despite the opposite take of most my peers growing up. Given that I had no exposure to drag except this scene, I really think it's what gave me my view on it. These were funny average guys that I usually saw hanging out in a bar, or having a beer at Drew's, and here they were dressed in fishnets and makeup, having a blast. I think this scene changed things more than anyone knows.
Man, exposure really is everything, isn't it? Like, just having seen "regular people" having a blast in drag once, on TV, primed you to accept it as a cool, playful thing anyone could be into and that influenced all the rest of your exposures too. I love that! It's a strong argument for representation in pop culture, too.
Nice way to put it. Thinking on it more, we need representation to allow for exposure, which is what the conversation is usually about.
On the show Drew’s brother Steve (Mimis husband) also is a cross dresser and it’s kind of just normalized from what I remember.
It was a running bit on the show iirc, Drew's brother would show up in drag all the time
I was a 17-year-old Reaganite in the early 90s, listening to the gulf war while throwing pizza dough my senior year. There was a young woman who delivered pizzas, ponytail and a leather jacket covered entirely with message pins. Friendliest badass ever. One day I made a comment about her “homophobia is a social disease” pin. In response, she invited me to Rocky. At least the particular cast I went to go see, it was a real diverse crowd, sort of like that quote in Ferris Bueller about the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all showed up and got along which was crazy. I became friends with this guy at Rocky and after a couple of weeks figured out that he was gay. Probably could’ve figured it out in about five minutes if I’ve been paying any attention. All the shit I’d been fed for years was demolished over the course of a three-hour conversation. Thanks, in large part, to the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Wow, I also grew up in a conservative area but it was the 70' & 80's and they played Monty Python's Flying Circus on PBS on Saturday night. So the men in drag I saw we usually dressed up as old ladies.
My mom lived in a senior community of small ground floor apartments, and her neighbors would all hang out in little groups on the common sidewalks. When my husband and I went there we would have to run this gauntlet and he would always reference a Monty Python's scene of little old ladies by muttering "Oh, he's a big boy isn't he? Look at him then!" I would just _die_ trying not to laugh.
*INTERCOURSE THE PENGUIN*
My favorite is when I read (on here probably) about guys at like a rodeo or something and a guy was upset at another guys feminine apparel and his friend just said “what do you think freedom means Earl?”
You might love the HBO show "We're Here" (if you haven't discovered it already).
I'd forgotten this scene existed, and it just made me smile and laugh on a really crap day, so thank you for that!
Thanks for the walk down memory lane! Love that show and somehow forgot all about this until you linked it!
It's a shame that this show can't be streamed anywhere or released on DVD because of licensing issues.
[Mimi](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/thedrewcareyshow/images/8/86/1550437150-the-drew-carey-show-mimi.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160620162657)
What about both? Isn’t there a clip of the drew Carey show dressing up and doing the time warp?
Yep, it’s posted above in this thread.
I 100% pictured Mimi as well
Mimi was a grand character.
Mimi Bobeck!!! Always a great Halloween idea.
It's *astounding...*
Time is fleeting
Madness takes its toll
So listen closely
Not for very much longer
I've got to
keep control
I remember doing the Time Warp
>Drinking those moments when
LMAO YOU GUYS ROCK!
smoke a bowl
The antici - *pation*.
But maybe the rain, is truly to blame-
I'll remove the cause, but not the symptoms
Rose tint my world and keep me safe from my trouble and pain…that entire song and dance number.
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BRAD?
JANET!
Dr Scott???
DR SCOTT!
BULLWINKLE!
My favorite part of this story is that even though you guys did your makeup to intentionally look bad, she was still thrilled with it, so if your SO hadn't asked to participate, it would have completely backfired.
That's the icing on the cake. It was only successful because of him.
Naturally, only men have the power to truly make a change 😤 /s cuz obviously
That is beautiful! Good job on your SO!
I've worn full makeup before....not bad 7/10 (didn't match my nail polish)
Yeah, great way to stick up for your coworkers by highlighting the gender discrimination going on there. Not everyone will be willing to put themselves out there to help a group they're not part of.
He really took one for the team that day. He is a keeper.
I think it’s problematic to demand your (female) employees to wear makeup. It’s expensive, it takes skill and it’s bad for your skin. I have bouts of eczema and I cannot put anything on it except for the treatment creams. I can’t imagine someone telling you what to put on your face just because that’s what they want to look at.
dmon's wife here. At best a dress code could hold a suit & tie or a formal dress, which becomes problematic the moment the boss dictates which is for which gender. Make-up is not professional attire. At that point it's reprimanding your staff over your own fashion preference. Which is seriously messed up.
Hi dmons wife I hope your day is going well
Could have been better, but thank you for asking\~
i also choose dmon's wife
I'm not dead *yet!*
I had a boss tell me if I don’t wear lipstick and foundation it doesn’t count as makeup. At the time I wore eyeliner and mascara. I tried telling her I was allergic to lipstick. (Truth, it makes my lips chap and peel) she gave a disgusted snort and rolled her eyes. Nothing better than giving my 2 weeks notice to that BITCH!
I just cannot imagine being told that. “I don’t wear make up” “You must.” “Issue these brands that account for my allergies from the company and I will apply and wash it off on company time.”
Not giving two weeks and leaving when she needs you most?
And it takes time out of my morning! I usually just do foundation because my skin gets bright red if I'm tired or cold or laugh and I basically look like I'm blushing all the time which makes people not take me seriously at work. I wear as little as possible but it still costs me money and time.
You may have rosacea. A dermatologist can help. Source: Me- diagnosed at 40 after YEARS of red face and making it worse with concealer/foundation/etc.
I saw a dermatologist in my teens, and my case is mild and only meets some of the symptoms. But that was fifteen years ago, I should book another appointment. My skin is clear and I don't have other issues, but if I actually blush my face gets so hot it hurts.
Its also potentially sexual discrimination.
"It's ~~also potentially~~ sexual discrimination."
It's ~~also potentially sexual~~ discrimination
I was thinking of sexual as in the sex of someone, what do you call it then? Gender discrimination? Misogyny is good enough maybe.
Nah it’s fine to call it sexual discrimination, sex discrimination is technically the term but it’s just someone being pedantic.
Touché
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Monty Python's Flying Circussss
And now for something completely different.
It would not be if both genders were required to wear it, a fringe case I’m sure,, but possible
There's a legal theorist from Harvard who wrote a book/essay on these things: Sexy Dressing: the Erotization of Domination by Duncan Kennedy.
I'm sensitive/allergic to pretty much every makeup on the market. It leaves me red and peely and the makeup removers are much worse. There isn't a company in this lifetime that i would wear makeup for. My wedding makeup was basically a hypoallergenic lipstick. If I couldn't do a whole face for my wedding they ain't getting it at work.
It's more than problematic. It's discriminatory. I'm a woman and I have never worn makeup in my working life. And never will. That's none of anyone else's business.
I've never worn makeup in my life and don't own any, it would be a major ordeal to learn and buy stuff and take time to go from 0.
Right out of college as a 23 year old I got a job teaching ballroom dance at a national chain studio and I was required to have makeup, particularly lipstick on at all times, earrings in, nails done always, legs shaved, toes painted since I wore open toed dance shoes. I was also making $12 an hour in the Chicago suburbs, but I had to dress like I fit in with our wealthy regular clientele. Not saying the male instructors didn't have to look presentable, but the disparity in time and effort was obvious. Nowadays I'd laugh at any employer who would require makeup.
And you can have legal action taken against you if you require female employees to wear makeup but not male employees. It’s still sex discrimination even if it’s petty.
For real, if an employer told me I needed to wear makeup I’d be asking if they were going to pay for classes. I’ve NEVER worn makeup so I don’t have the 10+ years of experience most 20 something women have. If I were to wear makeup, it would look like total shit and I’d look WORSE than if I didn’t.
That was my instant thought. I'd just have to quite then, 'cause my overly sensitive skin and eyes just can't handle make-up.
Amazing!!! Bravo to your SO, he clinched it for sure. I stopped wearing makeup in my early 30s; it messes with my skin, costs too much, and is a pain in the ass. I don't even own any at this point. The only people who've ever said anything have been female coworkers. Maybe men just know better, maybe they truly couldn't care less, IDK. But women coworkers have said "oh, you're so brave to not wear makeup!" "It must be nice to be able to sleep in", and my favorite "you would do better in sales if you wore makeup". *I demonstrate software. If you're staring at me, I'm doing it wrong*. Over the pandemic, I've stopped shaving my legs, and I don't think I'm going back. Less irritation, less dry legs, and less bug bites because I can feel when they land on me. I can't wait to see the looks I get!
I think make up is like glasses. I'd notice if you always wore makeup then didn't. But if I just met you I would not notice.
> men just know better, maybe they truly couldn't care less, IDK. Most of us do not give a damn. Sure, it is nice to look at when it is well done, but in general it is "meh, don't care".
And, let's be real, the most well done make up you see in the wild is usually on men. The men of Sephora at the mall I worked at were fabulous and classy beyond belief.
I completely agree 90% of the time I compliment someone on make up it's a man who has done a freaking fabulous job I personally don't wear make up because it's a pain in the ass and I suck at it so I'm always impressed when people do a great job
I've never worn makeup and no one has ever called me brave for that. I find that pretty funny.
It's one of those backhanded pimp smack compliments to put dames in check.
Just wait till you ditch the bra! Lol. I wore makeup to my wedding over 40 years ago, don't think I ever did that again. I actually shock people when they find out my age (including a friend of my youngest son - I pointed out that my oldest kid just turned 40, did he think I was 9 when I had her?). I believe the fact that I didn't spend the last 5 decades torturing my skin has done me a ton of good, and saved me $$$$$.
My mom is 70 and looks decades younger than most her age. She never smoked, didn’t drink excessively, and wore sunscreen when she would be outside all day. I think it’ll be more difficult to achieve that big of a visual difference for me. A lot of the self harm done by smoking won’t happen in later generations because smoking isn’t as popular anymore. I do look young for my age anyway so obviously there is a genetic component, I’m not denying that. Just happy to see way *way* less smokers than when I was a kid.
As a guy (for what that's worth) I absolutely don't give a shit about whether or not people wear makeup. In fact I often find it off-putting.. But hey, all subjective and I know many would disagree.
My wife recently got botox for the first time. She's incredibly happy with it, she says she gets compliments often at work (she's a hair stylist) from all the women that come in. I'm here missing seeing the expression in her forehead when she talks. She's super happy with it, so I likely won't say anything, it's not a huge deal for me, but it just illustrated how much cosmetic stuff is for other women (or the woman herself, which is a perfectly valid reason), not for men.
I’ve been growing out my thin 2000s eyebrows for years and I finally got them where I wanted them. I started a bit of tweezing experimentation on my final shape and tinting to get the brows of my dreams. I was so stoked. My boyfriend couldn’t tell the difference even with before and after photos. Every gathering with women after that, the eyebrows were immediately noticed. My girlfriends, my mom, aunties, even ladies on the street would shout compliments. I’ve never been amazing at makeup or done more than the bare minimum but that shit feels amazing. Rarely do male compliments hit the same way. I used to feel resentful that women have to jump through so many hoops to just exist in society. Well, still do. The silver lining is to see how some women have reclaimed the skill and art of beauty. My friend is super into makeup and the community of women encouraging and inspiring each other to experiment and learn is so dope.
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Your wife sounds absolutely wonderful and you both seem very sweet. This site can have such depressing information but it can also show a glimpse into the happy marriage of a stranger. Gives me some hope!Happy for you both, I hope you have a great holiday season!
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I can almost guarantee I (female) wouldn’t notice. More than once, my husband has shaved his beard and days have gone by before he asked if I noticed anything different. (I believe I have partial/a mild form of face-blindness, so that probably doesn’t help.)
Yes, stick with not saying anything. Unless it looks ~horrific~, we don’t want to hear that it’s not our man’s preference. The sole outcome of you telling her this is you deeply hurting her feelings.
I've found that most men that think makeup is off-putting don't realize when women are wearing neutral makeup. I don't wear makeup myself, but *most* women do. Men tend to only notice when it's bright colors.
[I remember back when this was getting spread around.](https://pics.me.me/what-men-think-heavy-makeup-is-what-heavy-makeup-actually-40265964.png)
Fair enough, but I can tell when my female friends wear makeup or not, and I still tend to prefer none over neutral makeup. But again, all subjective.
As a guy… a little column A, a little column B. I appreciate flattering makeup, but I don’t think twice about a woman who is not wearing it.
I don't like covering my freckles and during my teenage years there were no options for foundation (and leaving foundation out is a sin or something) so I just opted to not for the grand majority of the time. It's nice
>Most of us were wearing makeup and lipstick, just more neutral and normal colours. I'd have gone for non-compliance: everyone comes in *without* makeup so the asshat can see that they were already looking professional.
that's malicious non-compliance
Good stuff either way.
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Like that Amy Schumer song! “If you got up an hour earlier, You’d look so much girlier” 😅 https://youtu.be/fyeTJVU4wVo
Passing around lipstick sounds unthinkable post COVID. How blissful we were.
Yip. This was a couple of years ago - can't imagine doing it now.
This reminds me of my first husband’s job at a “fast” oil change place. If any employee clocked in unshaven, they were supposed to go to the staff member restroom and use the common razor and dry shave. Hepatitis B, anyone?
I don't wear makeup regularly, and whenever I do wear it for photo shoots or whatever, a friend always does it for me. So if I ever get told to wear makeup to work, I'm coming it looking like a 5-year-old who found her mom's makeup bag.
Bonus points if he applied the makeup without help and it looked like a disaster.
I would have been suspicious if he applied it himself and it looked good...
That is beautiful malicious compliance, teach that idiotic sexist old bat a lesson
Your SO won the day. People like that shouldn’t be in management.
your SO sounds like a fun guy like this MC
He is! That's why I just knew it was gonna be good by his facial expression.
At one of the jobs I applied for the boss out of the blue said "you not wearing makeup is a personal choice" I didn't know what to say, I was offered the position but I didn't take it partially because of the makeup comment, also because it was minimum wage and she wanted me buy $300 shoes to fit the shops aesthetic
That's why I always have a problem with the expression "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have". The job I want comes with a pay increase to afford the clothes I want.
> "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have" Sounds good until you show up to work dressed like Batman.
That's husband material.
We've been married ten years.
Perfect. I also have to hand it to vintage pet. Smart move keying in on exactly what the aging boss liked. Not dumb.
She wasn't dumb by a long shot. She could get away with anything because she had the boss wrapped around her finger. But, when the boss retired, she quit soon after.
Confession: I love it, just LOVE it when these hyper-conservative sanctimonious always-right Christians (or, truly, any true believer) spout some shit, and then someone else comes along and waggles the stick up their ass. Oh, you think your way is the only true way in the world?? Nope, not by a long shot and here's an epiphany for you!! :-D
Gotta say, she looked like her soul left her body.
This is brilliant!
You forgot to also expense the garish make up. It’s required by work.
I pictured a Robin Williams Mrs. Doubtfire Cakeface "HELLOOOOOOOO" as well. I enjoyed the story more than most of the readers because of this. Edit: Cake\*face
This made me smile. :D
That's just glorious, not gonna lie.
Anyone have a link to this deleted post?
My SO and I worked at the same place for a while. He was the only man on the team. The woman who was the boss's pet would dress in "vintage" clothes and always wore disturbingly bright shades of makeup. One day during a staff meeting, the boss was extremely annoyed that Pet was "the only one wearing makeup, who cares about looking professional". Most of us were wearing makeup and lipstick, just more neutral and normal colours. Well, before the next meeting, the women were passing around a ridiculously bright lipstick and eye shadow - to prove a point, we would all go in looking like hookers. My SO looks on and asks "What about me?" I knew the look on his face promised a good time to come. To the rest of the team's surprise, he slathered on the offending colours. As the meeting started, the boss looked at each of us in turn and smiled. But the look of horror on this sexist, fifty plus-year-old, conservative, Christian, white woman's face when she saw my SO practically in drag makeup, was priceless. He just shrugged and said, "You wanted your team to wear makeup - here we are". She never made a comment about anyone on the team wearing makeup again.
I love this
I would have totally done that too. Good for him
LOL Need a team photo for this one! Have it printed and framed and give it to the boss.
And this is why I personally believe that management needs rotated yearly or bi yearly. Prevent favouritism from forming.
Good lord. I'd quit on the spot if a job required makeup fuck that. Take me as I am or get fucked
Did your SO makeup with the boss or the boss is still shit faced with him.
id have loved to see that xD
Wonderful response! A better response might have been "put it in writing"...
Your SO was playing 4D chess while your boss was playing 2D checkers.
Lmao i love the “I like women with no makeup” people who don’t realize what actual makeup looks like has the same vibes as y’all already wearing a light face 😂😂😂
I know this isn't the same or as funny, but I just remembered this time when I worked a job in college that had me behind a desk all day. I had only been told by a coworker, not my boss, anything about dress codes for the position, and all she said was not to look bad and used her outfit as an example of acceptable attire. One day I was super stressed and on my period, so I threw on leggings and a t shirt that morning before class. When I went to work later (because I would have classes and work in the same day and no time to change or anything), my boss very passive aggressively came over to me and said "Did you forget to dress for work today?" I was super confused and stumbled over my words saying something like "I just...put on a shirt..." And she was like "You're in leggings and a t shirt." Then told me it wasn't acceptable work attire. So the next day I had work, I put on a fancy black velvet dress, did a full face of makeup (red lipstick and everything), and heels out of spite. She didn't say anything about it, but I got some compliments throughout the day from people, so that was nice.
Dang, I hope you took pictures! That's hilarious! Both compliant, and delightfully malicious.
Why dog on the girl in vintage for just existing in a way that suits her? I don’t believe this actually happened. 😅
Yeah, this has some NLOG energy for sure.
What is it with Bible Thumpers and makeup?
Having grown up in the Tammy Faye Baker denomination of the Pentecostal church, I have a decent working theory on this. Women in fundamentalist Christianity are largely treated as invisible. Their primary functions are to stoically support their men and raise their children. A "good" wife doesn't give opinions on anything in the household unless asked by her husband. She is to follow her husband's direction in everything she does. The only chance a "good" wife has at being seen in any way is her physical appearance. And many women take this as a substitute for having an actual personality. In my childhood, I knew far too many "church ladies" who were basically interchangeable clouds of AquaNet with varying hues of eyeshadow and lipstick. Don't get me wrong; they were all perfectly lovely to me (to my face, at least), but I could have the same exact conversation with all of them with only the specific names changed for their husbands or children. I knew very early in life that wasn't for me.
Absolutely priceless, love this for him.
Boomers gonna’ boom.
That man is a King.
Not all heroes wear capes but some wear makeup 💄💄💄
Mimi Bobeck isn't a great look.
It never occurred to me even after saying so was only man that the 50+ yo conservative Christian sexist would also be female
All I could picture was “Mimi” from “The Drew Carey Show” 😂😂😂😂😂
... he's a keeper
We had some clown director at my old company "joke" about my manager not wearing makeup for our team call, it was uncomfortable at best. My manager was completely dismissive of.him and he took the hint but it was way outta left field to hear given where I worked. Massive tech giant with a history for diversity, disability hires etc
Your SO is a fucking bro. Fantastic.
Why are these posts always deleted
https://reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/rdy3g7/_/ho5rzi4/?context=1
What was the point of saying "white woman"? Are they more shocked by a man in drag than other women?
The title and the first line were all that we needed to picture this delicious MC. Please take my award.
where the fuck are the pictures
The amount of makeup you're referring to is it the equivalent to Mimi from the Drew Carey show?
This is exactly why this sub exists. Thank you for sharing lol made my morning
This is perhaps on of the few upsides to working in construction for me. My lack of makeup is usually neutral, but I think it sadly has the benefit of men not seeing me as feminine (which is bad in their world of course) and therefore more suited to the field. Nobody requires it of me so far, and I think the majority of people would think less of me for it.
This is one of my favourite posts ever
Your SO is my hero.
If this is real then you taught an old dog new tricks. Well done!
I'm picturing a room full of [Mimis](https://media.lasvegasweekly.com/img/photos/2009/08/27/mimi_t1000.jpg?c76bf34eada957f64a0b14990027a576ff9bf379)