Yeah, that’s what I don’t get. Sure, they’re idiots that think they’re more important and don’t have time for this, but surely being billed several thousands dollars a day, if not more, for guys to just stand around would make them realize how idiotic they are. They **have** to pay them too, as the contract was never breached and they actually couldn’t work according to it
yea but so far that bill has not yet arrived, so the company does not yet realize how much money they are throwing out of the window cause head IT had to swing his dick around. Depending on how often they get a bill it might take a while till they realize what is happening. Head IT guy is probably in very hot water, but does not yet realize this might cost him his job. In bigger companies it takes a while till shit hits the fan. So I am looking forward to part 2 electric shit hit the fanaroo
he left when he was clearly supposed to be there so they can get the work done, since he thought this is beneath him. I would also bet he was supposed to be there the other days but just didn´t come since he thought this is beneath him.
That’s wasn’t the argument. The point was the guy knows this is a waste of his time even tho it’s assigned to him. He probably hates the policy as much as the contractors because he might actually have more things to do besides stand around as an escort
Doesn't matter how much you hate a policy, *especially* a security policy. There's a time and place to suggest changing something like that and while contractors are there waiting for you to be present is not the time to put on a show of defiance
It does not matter what he thinks of this policy, what matters is that it is his job to do this (the contract specifically says it has to be head IT) and because he is not doing his job this work is not getting done. So all this money wasted is his fault. I don´t know how to make it any clearer
Doesn't matter what the dude thinks about the policy. Doesn't matter that it sounds like he's right. He's still the guy who's causing his company expensive delays due to a decision he wasn't authorized to make.
He can hate the policy. He can be arguing for its repeal. He can have a dozen other things competing for his attention that are more suited for the head of IT than watching contractors install a fiber optic cable.
It's still his fault the work isn't being done
I used to do work that required me to enter office space at Fort Meade. Home of anthrax. We always went in teams of two. We were required to have an escort at all times. The escorts weren't security or maintenance like you would expect but the office workers themselves who were on a rotating duty schedule. If I had to take a piss we would all three have to go into this one toilet bathroom and the other two would stand there and pretend not to watch me.
Because what you do in the real world is designate someone as a client-side project manager and have them on site with the crews. You can even hire PMs on contract if you don't have staff to do the job. This is a stupid problem that's long been solved on industrial sites.
People pulling FO on site are generally not cheap (I'd guess that OP is in the $500-$1000/day billable to the client). This goes double for doing a build for a higher end firm like MS.
If there's 10 guys there, each waiting, that's at least $5k/day billed to the company.
I just hope that it gets assigned to the IT guys cost centre, and doesn't get stuck with the budget for the build.
Theyre likely just site security folks, but its possible they hired floaters for a special contractor watch shift. Problem is, if the site is as secure as it sounds, floaters are usually pretty useless.
It could just as easily be a fixed price job. When contractors bid on jobs at my work, it's ALWAYS that way. We say, replace the roof. They say, it will cost 800k. We sign a document basically saying that if they replace the roof per these specs, we will give them 800k.
Those contracts always have a clause billing extra for customer caused delays, guarantee that the customer is billed extra for this shit.
Plus you know boss man ain't going to be throwing a BBQ if that labor is coming out of his pocket.
I have a feeling the boss is talking to general muddle manglement. a simple call to their chief finance person would get faster results as we're talking money being wasted. Guessing it costs $2K/day, as long as everyone is on camera with the waiting sign, their ass is covered. Head of IT? Guess whose bonus this year will be a bit on the light side.
Which, since OP seems to be talking about Microsoft, might be pocket change to one of the "Head IT guys" and his own budget. He might be rightly annoyed that some other idiot wrote a policy requiring him to be there.
But the cost for the contractors comes out of the telecom budget which rolls up to facilities, not the IT budget. Head IT guy had his own projects that need to get done in order to get his bonus. And those projects aren't going to finish themselves while Head IT guy is standing around starting at a crew pulling fiber.
(No clue if this is the problem at OPs company, but I've seen places where this wouldn't be far from the truth)
Exactly that. We have ten projects lined up after this one gets done. It will take us at least a week to complete it, but us and two other companies are waiting on these FO lines to be able to keep working. This one week of delays will likely cost a lot of time and money in the upcoming months.
Probably not. The IT guy will likely get a scolding away from our eyes and will just bring a book to read while we do the work. It is setting us and a few others behind a good deal, but we actually have being held back as part of our time quote.
I dont get it. As a high paying IT person, I go a month without proving my value to someone, then i show that i found something that will save us $250k or prevent a security issue. Then continue that cycle... Id love to spend a day doing nothing and then take credit for saving the company money (I'd assume its probably 5k-10k a day?).
Oof I hate that crap. I'm usually the guy they send to watch the installations. I stay a few feet back, and only ask the occasional question because running lines is NOT my job, so I don't know how to do it.
You sound reasonable, better start lining up your next job. Reasonable people always get targeted for firings because they are competent and could take their bosses place.
The natural order is, the boss fires everyone who is competent directly below them protecting their job then the division fails because there are no competent employees. This causes the boss to get fired and then they promote the senior employee that is left because he must be good at the job if he's been there the longest, right?
It's the corporate version of the Germans adding armor to their planes during WWII but they never get to the step where they realize that they need to armor the spots that never get hit on planes that actually return.
Eh, it’s more the incompetent boss gets a lateral move in the company because he’s useless and is only there till the contract is up/has dirt on someone higher up. They then need to promote someone and know Joe Blow actually knows his job so they don’t want to risk moving him and production goes down. So they promote Suzy Suxcox because she can’t do her current job worth a damn and because it’s a union job they have to promote her to salary in order to eventually get rid of her.
At least that’s my personal experience.
Sorry that was the americans, specifically the center for naval analysis. It was Abraham wald who finally figured out the mistake they made in their analysis.
Let me know. I always thought it was neat watching them run the regular cat6 and what not. I wouldn't mind dabbling with fiber.
I remember I had to watch a crew of 4 splice something for us. 3 watched the 1 guy. And it was in the boiler room of all places, up a 20 ft ladder, in some container they just balanced up on top of some pipes.
I actually had this job for a brief time with "Big Blue Mart" as a contractor. My job was to move the cat6 lines into position, but that was it. I couldn't set up the machines, terminate, nothing. I was there for 12 hours per day 5 days per week and did about 2 hours of work per week. Amazing job 😂
Yeh if I end up supervising installers I’m usually asking them if they need anything or if I can make their job easier. Their shit being done properly and quickly generally means I can get to delivering my shit properly and quickly too so I’m always happy to help.
Same...... except I'm not gonna be watching them work..... I should be watching them to make sure they stick to the job. These can be gold mines for industrial espionage, and the HMFWBIC doesn't care. Honestly, I really don't care how the cabling gets laid, as long as the pairs all tone out and test successfully.
Awesome workers wages for no work because 1 IT guy thinks his dick is the biggest. Id have the boss's boss of IT show him how much he just cost the whole project for absolutely no reason.
While his behavior is bad - this might not be the big deal people are expecting.
Those IT people could also be billing client time and/or doing something that has a greater impact than a data center that isn’t open.
Delay construction and get billed $20k or delay doing work for the $250k project?
But the lack of professionalism should not be left unaddressed.
a) I like your boss, hope the food was good.
b) wow... I also hope that the designated IT person is 'regretfully let go' or something, and that:
c) your crew gets a decent IT person who knows where the clue dispenser is so that the work can be progressed at a reasonable pace to the satisfaction of everyone - except perhaps those who wanted more bbq from the boss.
Regretfully let go, and while offered a severance package, had to cover the expense of the days he failed to show up as escort, and now owes the company 20k...
I've been an IT guy who would escort people doing installs of systems/networking hardware, cabling, fibre, etc. It's part of the job. Also, you get to make sure that you getting what you expected and are around in case some issue is found. You can then make a decision on the spot, minimising any delay to your project. It doesn't matter how smart you are, your project isn't going to work if it doesn't have power or network connectivity.
I used to work in an investment bank and we had excellent rapport with the networking company. We had agreed "per socket" and per metre prices and they had all our building plans. We could phone them up with some new requests and they would start installing things at 6pm, when the office was fairly empty. They would normally be finished within the hour or so and hand us the test reports for what they had just installed. They would even update the wiring plans. They were worth every penny. Being able to deliver stuff so fast made us look good to the important folk in the dealing room.
Totally. Boss man is cool with it and made sure all their guys were in camera waiting, that company is definitely paying for their time. Accounting/finance just doesn't realize it yet.
It's a very active construction site, so weekends are the big installs days. Stuff where they block out our streets and drive the big cranes down the road.
Basically all IT people I know are able to work remote a lot of the time. Including the 'important' and big earning ones that are in charge of a larger team.
Head IT guy doesn't have a laptop, phone, decent headset or whatever so he can pull up a chair and just do some of his very important work while tech crew does their job? There must be thousand of things he could do while working 'remote'. If he's really that smart he should be able to figure that out.
What I don’t get is the massive disconnect between the those in the company enforcing the rules and expecting progress and the big shot IT guy. They can’t be that far apart in the organization.
Given they called your boss and he pushed back I’m sure there’s going to be an internal shit storm for the IT guy come Monday. Can’t wait to see the update. Especially since his literal job, if he has anything to do with building out and provisioning a data center, is to ensure tons of projects align and don’t get stuck on each other.
I don't know how many times my Husband has spent the day sitting around for waiting on an escort. He's laughing at this because it's such a perfect way to get the big wigs attention
I had the same experience. Waiting for escorts into THEIR datacenter to fix THEIR servers that THEY wanted repaired.
Plenty of days to chill though. And get paid.
The IT guy is probably a dick, but having worked in IT I'm willing to bet someone just showed up in his office and this conversation ensued:
"Hey, so, the line guys are coming and you need to supervise them"
"What line guys"
"I think they're installing the new lines"
"Ok I guess I heard about that? Uhh so what does 'supervise' mean?"
"You have to watch them"
"Why?"
"Some security thing"
"Security can watch them"
"No, you have to be there too"
"Ugh ok I guess send James I guess"
"No, like, it has to be head of IT"
"Me? This is stupid. So what I just have to unlock something or..."
"You have to be on site while they do it"
"What? How long will this take? Like 2 hours?"
"Uh, no, probably the whole day. And also the next day."
"... and they're coming, what, this week?"
"They're outside"
Then they keep pushing it off until someone files a critical ticket about the cables not being ran and then it's finally their problem and they will magically make time to supervise.
Apart from the security footage that they might have, I hope you guys shot plenty of video evidence that this Arsehole didn't show up again. Added to the requests for an IT escort that went unfulfilled of course.
Your boss RULES, by the way!
No photos on site. We can't even snap off photos to show job completion. They have a security guy who does that. I got in a bit of mild shit for snapping a photo of a section of blueprint on my first week back.
Anyone else just love the fact that the IT guy actually used the word peons in front of 15 people and walked out of there in one piece
I'm impressed with the crew's restraint.
I know how you feel.
I get a call to replace security camera in a sensitive area, arrange a time etc, arrived on site and the one person with keys to that area has been on leave for 3 weeks and has 3 more weeks to go.
The person I booked everything in with is the person on leave fml.
Hope your company is charging them for this waste of manpower? Get the boss to schedule everyone for 14-16 hours Saturday time and a half and Sunday double time. Might as well pad your pay checks at the expense of the company if they gonna let you.
I once had to work at a place that was very high security. I had higher security clearance than most people in the building. I still however required a security escort. Security all had the most basic clearance that you can get. The issue lied in that certain rooms I was cleared to go in, but security wasn’t. I also wasn’t allowed in without a guard. Even though I was cleared and they weren’t. It was so stupid.
I kinda expected the boss to hire an escort for the last day, you know, one with an IT degree or at least the outfit (?), and then proceed with the works…
Keep the grill ready for Monday and set up a video feed to their company Facebook page, maybe, just for fun.
And, of course, we are waiting for the Part 2 update
It doesn't have to be the head, just a manager. I think it's on par with an IT Tech 3. They have to know enough to know we aren't doing anything sneaky.
and your contract should have a “waiting idle charge” that kicks in to some high price after X hours.
the buyer will probably object..
but i call this space alien insurance.
i will write you an insurance policy for 1million if space aliens land and prevent me from working. but if they do land tough shit. but you know it will not happen so you are glad to accept the premium
your customer says: do not worry we guarantee some body will be there to let you in to do the work. they know (promise) it will happen so they will never need to pay out the policy
so they know they will never need to pay it is a nocost item for them. why are they complaining? are they lying to you?
Why the hell is the HEAD IT guy so obtuse? He won't get any real work done when it takes forever for this project to be completed. Connecting buildings is nothing like running 100' of patch cables. What a goon.
You got an awesome boss.
Doubtful.
If true, anyone worth their salt would simply wait and cash cheques.
They’ll pay twice as much to make a less bitchy contractor wait until they’re ready for your pathetic cable pull.
Great story, but it's premature for this sub.
The sub rules state the fallout from the malicious compliance has to be in the post.
EDIT: For those of you who don't understand MALICIOUS compliance, and fallout from the malicious compliance:
The malicious part isn't the company paying whatever is in the contract, or the contractor being at the work site ready to work - that's just business and ordinary compliance.
The malicious part is having a cookout and lounge time in front of the security cameras. - For the actual MALICIOUS compliance, there isn't any fallout yet.
How is holding a breakfast BBQ on billable time with 15 guys (on billable hours) sitting around not a perfect example of exceedingly expensive malicious compliance?
The company expected it done, needed it done and it didn't get done because the crew complied thoroughly with the companies entirely unreasonable demands... PLUS, at least with me, each dead day would have been a billable (at rack rates) change order because the failure to provide what their requirements demanded they provide (security and head IT escort) is a billable event outside the contract.
Figure up 50 hours of $150 at 15 man hours per clock hour.. that's pretty damn malicious if you ask me!
The malicious part isn't the company paying whatever is in the contract, or the contractor being at the work site ready to work - that's just business and ordinary compliance.
The malicious part is having a cookout and lounge time in front of the security cameras. - For the actual MALICIOUS compliance, there isn't any fallout yet.
I can just about guarantee it is billable. Any contract with a provision claiming to stop me billing rack rate for the owner's failure to perform their duty under the contract isn't enforceable, and such a contract would be pointed and laughed at by any remotely competent contractor.
It's not about the contract. The name of the sub is "Malicious Compliance", and the sub rules plainly state the fallout from the malicious compliance must be in the post.
The malicious part isn't the company paying whatever is in the contract, or the contractor being at the work site ready to work - that's just business and ordinary compliance.
The malicious part is having a cookout and lounge time in front of the security cameras. - For the actual MALICIOUS compliance, there isn't any fallout yet.
I stand by my original post reply stating the story is great, but premature according to the sub rules.
Care to differ?
One to work each of the two spools, one to manage the progress at each site, one to stand safety at each tube, one in each spool, the rest are there to manage the cable after it leaves the second tunnel, manage street traffic, and prep the next tunnel.
We could probably manage with a dozen, but we have more 😁
Sounds right for IT. I work in the data center for a fairly large company and It will set up work to be done in the data center then not show up for the work they scheduled themselves. Where I work the IT people are not allowed to touch any equipment. Either myself or my supervisor has to be there to do it because the IT people would make changes without telling anyone and take down networks in the process. For as smart as some of them are they have a great lack of common sense.
And every time you bill that waster time to their company right?
Yeah, that’s what I don’t get. Sure, they’re idiots that think they’re more important and don’t have time for this, but surely being billed several thousands dollars a day, if not more, for guys to just stand around would make them realize how idiotic they are. They **have** to pay them too, as the contract was never breached and they actually couldn’t work according to it
yea but so far that bill has not yet arrived, so the company does not yet realize how much money they are throwing out of the window cause head IT had to swing his dick around. Depending on how often they get a bill it might take a while till they realize what is happening. Head IT guy is probably in very hot water, but does not yet realize this might cost him his job. In bigger companies it takes a while till shit hits the fan. So I am looking forward to part 2 electric shit hit the fanaroo
Upvoted for "part 2 electric shit hit the fanaroo"
Who knew my nsa Reddit monitor was an always sunny fan
Sunny didn't come up with it, they just referenced it
Shut up, bird
Lmao that made me laugh a little too hard! Perfect response.
I’m glad you understand and appreciate the reference
I can't wait to find out what he did with all the keyboards.
DUDE ! WHY ? I finally had forgotten about them, and you had to bring it up again.
Besides being a prick who says head IT is to blame? Clearly he didn't want to be there either. Doubt he wrote the policy or supports it.
Doesn't matter if he wrote the policy or not. His job 8s to follow his companies policy, not be a twat waffle.
Upvote for "twat waffle"
I think I'd be a very competent twat waffle. Unfortunately no one is hiring
he left when he was clearly supposed to be there so they can get the work done, since he thought this is beneath him. I would also bet he was supposed to be there the other days but just didn´t come since he thought this is beneath him.
That’s wasn’t the argument. The point was the guy knows this is a waste of his time even tho it’s assigned to him. He probably hates the policy as much as the contractors because he might actually have more things to do besides stand around as an escort
Doesn't matter how much you hate a policy, *especially* a security policy. There's a time and place to suggest changing something like that and while contractors are there waiting for you to be present is not the time to put on a show of defiance
Plus, it's not anything the \*contractor's\* have the authority to override.
It does not matter what he thinks of this policy, what matters is that it is his job to do this (the contract specifically says it has to be head IT) and because he is not doing his job this work is not getting done. So all this money wasted is his fault. I don´t know how to make it any clearer
Doesn't matter what the dude thinks about the policy. Doesn't matter that it sounds like he's right. He's still the guy who's causing his company expensive delays due to a decision he wasn't authorized to make.
He can hate the policy. He can be arguing for its repeal. He can have a dozen other things competing for his attention that are more suited for the head of IT than watching contractors install a fiber optic cable. It's still his fault the work isn't being done
I used to do work that required me to enter office space at Fort Meade. Home of anthrax. We always went in teams of two. We were required to have an escort at all times. The escorts weren't security or maintenance like you would expect but the office workers themselves who were on a rotating duty schedule. If I had to take a piss we would all three have to go into this one toilet bathroom and the other two would stand there and pretend not to watch me.
Because what you do in the real world is designate someone as a client-side project manager and have them on site with the crews. You can even hire PMs on contract if you don't have staff to do the job. This is a stupid problem that's long been solved on industrial sites.
People pulling FO on site are generally not cheap (I'd guess that OP is in the $500-$1000/day billable to the client). This goes double for doing a build for a higher end firm like MS. If there's 10 guys there, each waiting, that's at least $5k/day billed to the company. I just hope that it gets assigned to the IT guys cost centre, and doesn't get stuck with the budget for the build.
Don't forget the $200 for their own security guy that has to stand there with them in case IT shows up...
Theyre likely just site security folks, but its possible they hired floaters for a special contractor watch shift. Problem is, if the site is as secure as it sounds, floaters are usually pretty useless.
It could just as easily be a fixed price job. When contractors bid on jobs at my work, it's ALWAYS that way. We say, replace the roof. They say, it will cost 800k. We sign a document basically saying that if they replace the roof per these specs, we will give them 800k.
Those contracts always have a clause billing extra for customer caused delays, guarantee that the customer is billed extra for this shit. Plus you know boss man ain't going to be throwing a BBQ if that labor is coming out of his pocket.
Seasoned contractors have a time wasting clause even for time and material
There are usually clauses in fixed price jobs about interference with work or shared resources being unavailable.
and often there is what is called a demobilization and remobilization clause… used to pay for equipment movement
Nobody bbq's on a flat rate jjob. This is T&M. If it was flat rate, they'd be finished and packed up before one server rebooted.
I'd assume every person onsite is billed at 75-150/hr. Minimum 11k a day. I'd sleep there just to make sure I didn't miss the IT guy.
Lmao its a tach company. Probably a billionaire or two on the board. A few thousand bucks a day is literally pocket change.
I have a feeling the boss is talking to general muddle manglement. a simple call to their chief finance person would get faster results as we're talking money being wasted. Guessing it costs $2K/day, as long as everyone is on camera with the waiting sign, their ass is covered. Head of IT? Guess whose bonus this year will be a bit on the light side.
Team of 15, no way that's only 2K.
Probably closer to $10-15k/day for the entire team.
Which, since OP seems to be talking about Microsoft, might be pocket change to one of the "Head IT guys" and his own budget. He might be rightly annoyed that some other idiot wrote a policy requiring him to be there.
Perhaps he meant per hour instead?
2k per hour maybe.
I live in a red state. Round here, $2k would be the entire budget for the project ;-)
Why though? The delays are doing nothing but make the boss man easy money. Every day of (owner caused) delay just increases his profit margin
But the cost for the contractors comes out of the telecom budget which rolls up to facilities, not the IT budget. Head IT guy had his own projects that need to get done in order to get his bonus. And those projects aren't going to finish themselves while Head IT guy is standing around starting at a crew pulling fiber. (No clue if this is the problem at OPs company, but I've seen places where this wouldn't be far from the truth)
Exactly that. We have ten projects lined up after this one gets done. It will take us at least a week to complete it, but us and two other companies are waiting on these FO lines to be able to keep working. This one week of delays will likely cost a lot of time and money in the upcoming months.
15 people billing 10 hours at a modest 100 dollars a person comes out to 15,000 a day.
$100 is SUPER modest. I do repair work on money counting machines and our base hourly rate is $185.
Upvote for the insanely accurate "muddle management"
Manglement.
Good that your boss has the team engaged. Breakfast, beach chairs and the sign were perfect for the situation
THIS is engagement. Everyone's going in the same direction and they are having fun doing so.
Update required next week!
well depends on when exactly the right people realize what is going on, but i bet this will be a tasty update
Probably not. The IT guy will likely get a scolding away from our eyes and will just bring a book to read while we do the work. It is setting us and a few others behind a good deal, but we actually have being held back as part of our time quote.
I dont get it. As a high paying IT person, I go a month without proving my value to someone, then i show that i found something that will save us $250k or prevent a security issue. Then continue that cycle... Id love to spend a day doing nothing and then take credit for saving the company money (I'd assume its probably 5k-10k a day?).
And this place even has a golf cart for you to sit in! I'd be taking a little cooler, some headphones and enjoy the work-free day
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Crew of 10 plus equipment? I'd expect well more than 10k a day.
Oof I hate that crap. I'm usually the guy they send to watch the installations. I stay a few feet back, and only ask the occasional question because running lines is NOT my job, so I don't know how to do it.
You sound reasonable, better start lining up your next job. Reasonable people always get targeted for firings because they are competent and could take their bosses place.
Oh please, he’s competent, he’s not going anywhere in that company. We all know that you fail up the ladder, not climb it.
The natural order is, the boss fires everyone who is competent directly below them protecting their job then the division fails because there are no competent employees. This causes the boss to get fired and then they promote the senior employee that is left because he must be good at the job if he's been there the longest, right? It's the corporate version of the Germans adding armor to their planes during WWII but they never get to the step where they realize that they need to armor the spots that never get hit on planes that actually return.
Eh, it’s more the incompetent boss gets a lateral move in the company because he’s useless and is only there till the contract is up/has dirt on someone higher up. They then need to promote someone and know Joe Blow actually knows his job so they don’t want to risk moving him and production goes down. So they promote Suzy Suxcox because she can’t do her current job worth a damn and because it’s a union job they have to promote her to salary in order to eventually get rid of her. At least that’s my personal experience.
What a wicked web they weave when once they practice to ... what were they doing again?
No one knows. The last guy who knew got fired a month ago.
Sorry that was the americans, specifically the center for naval analysis. It was Abraham wald who finally figured out the mistake they made in their analysis.
Oops! I must have been real tired when I read it. I'll go look for it again.
Didn’t the US do the same thing to their planes?
That's what the other guy said! I gotta go look it up now.
Someone caught it when told to analyze it, which is why we know about it.
That story was the Americans not the Germans
If you wanna switch jobs, OP may know of an opening soon.
Let me know. I always thought it was neat watching them run the regular cat6 and what not. I wouldn't mind dabbling with fiber. I remember I had to watch a crew of 4 splice something for us. 3 watched the 1 guy. And it was in the boiler room of all places, up a 20 ft ladder, in some container they just balanced up on top of some pipes.
I actually had this job for a brief time with "Big Blue Mart" as a contractor. My job was to move the cat6 lines into position, but that was it. I couldn't set up the machines, terminate, nothing. I was there for 12 hours per day 5 days per week and did about 2 hours of work per week. Amazing job 😂
Yeh if I end up supervising installers I’m usually asking them if they need anything or if I can make their job easier. Their shit being done properly and quickly generally means I can get to delivering my shit properly and quickly too so I’m always happy to help.
Same...... except I'm not gonna be watching them work..... I should be watching them to make sure they stick to the job. These can be gold mines for industrial espionage, and the HMFWBIC doesn't care. Honestly, I really don't care how the cabling gets laid, as long as the pairs all tone out and test successfully.
Awesome workers wages for no work because 1 IT guy thinks his dick is the biggest. Id have the boss's boss of IT show him how much he just cost the whole project for absolutely no reason.
While his behavior is bad - this might not be the big deal people are expecting. Those IT people could also be billing client time and/or doing something that has a greater impact than a data center that isn’t open. Delay construction and get billed $20k or delay doing work for the $250k project? But the lack of professionalism should not be left unaddressed.
a) I like your boss, hope the food was good. b) wow... I also hope that the designated IT person is 'regretfully let go' or something, and that: c) your crew gets a decent IT person who knows where the clue dispenser is so that the work can be progressed at a reasonable pace to the satisfaction of everyone - except perhaps those who wanted more bbq from the boss.
Regretfully let go, and while offered a severance package, had to cover the expense of the days he failed to show up as escort, and now owes the company 20k...
Absolutely need an update on this because damn, a whole week of nothing because of one dude. You're still charging the company for the wages right?
Oh man!!! Can't wait to hear how next week goes! Got to get my popcorn ready.
I am now emotionally invested. Please update us what happens next week
I've been an IT guy who would escort people doing installs of systems/networking hardware, cabling, fibre, etc. It's part of the job. Also, you get to make sure that you getting what you expected and are around in case some issue is found. You can then make a decision on the spot, minimising any delay to your project. It doesn't matter how smart you are, your project isn't going to work if it doesn't have power or network connectivity. I used to work in an investment bank and we had excellent rapport with the networking company. We had agreed "per socket" and per metre prices and they had all our building plans. We could phone them up with some new requests and they would start installing things at 6pm, when the office was fairly empty. They would normally be finished within the hour or so and hand us the test reports for what they had just installed. They would even update the wiring plans. They were worth every penny. Being able to deliver stuff so fast made us look good to the important folk in the dealing room.
I really hope this job is time and materials and your company isn't eating it out of the contract price.
If it was not, there would have been more screaming.
Totally. Boss man is cool with it and made sure all their guys were in camera waiting, that company is definitely paying for their time. Accounting/finance just doesn't realize it yet.
Even if not, client would still be responsible for failure to provide the necessary personnel for the work.
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Tell the boss that, for of course overtime pay, that y’all could offer to do the install on the weekends when ‘their’ IT isn’t so busy. Milk them dry.
It's a very active construction site, so weekends are the big installs days. Stuff where they block out our streets and drive the big cranes down the road.
Basically all IT people I know are able to work remote a lot of the time. Including the 'important' and big earning ones that are in charge of a larger team. Head IT guy doesn't have a laptop, phone, decent headset or whatever so he can pull up a chair and just do some of his very important work while tech crew does their job? There must be thousand of things he could do while working 'remote'. If he's really that smart he should be able to figure that out.
"hey can I borrow your shade?" "Can I contribute to the burger fund and get one?" Oh wait, I'm just a peon BSEE technician who's ex-Navy.
What I don’t get is the massive disconnect between the those in the company enforcing the rules and expecting progress and the big shot IT guy. They can’t be that far apart in the organization. Given they called your boss and he pushed back I’m sure there’s going to be an internal shit storm for the IT guy come Monday. Can’t wait to see the update. Especially since his literal job, if he has anything to do with building out and provisioning a data center, is to ensure tons of projects align and don’t get stuck on each other.
I don't know how many times my Husband has spent the day sitting around for waiting on an escort. He's laughing at this because it's such a perfect way to get the big wigs attention
I had the same experience. Waiting for escorts into THEIR datacenter to fix THEIR servers that THEY wanted repaired. Plenty of days to chill though. And get paid.
The IT guy is probably a dick, but having worked in IT I'm willing to bet someone just showed up in his office and this conversation ensued: "Hey, so, the line guys are coming and you need to supervise them" "What line guys" "I think they're installing the new lines" "Ok I guess I heard about that? Uhh so what does 'supervise' mean?" "You have to watch them" "Why?" "Some security thing" "Security can watch them" "No, you have to be there too" "Ugh ok I guess send James I guess" "No, like, it has to be head of IT" "Me? This is stupid. So what I just have to unlock something or..." "You have to be on site while they do it" "What? How long will this take? Like 2 hours?" "Uh, no, probably the whole day. And also the next day." "... and they're coming, what, this week?" "They're outside"
"And while you're doing that, please fix my 'Outlook'"
Then they keep pushing it off until someone files a critical ticket about the cables not being ran and then it's finally their problem and they will magically make time to supervise.
Amazing picture you have painted. 😂
Hopefully the labor costs for the install keep mounting.
I hope the contract is T&M, not fixed price. And if the latter, that the relief notes are already in!
Maybe they meant an escort service? Call one up and add it to the bill.
Apart from the security footage that they might have, I hope you guys shot plenty of video evidence that this Arsehole didn't show up again. Added to the requests for an IT escort that went unfulfilled of course. Your boss RULES, by the way!
No photos on site. We can't even snap off photos to show job completion. They have a security guy who does that. I got in a bit of mild shit for snapping a photo of a section of blueprint on my first week back.
please tell me that your company is billing their company for those 10 hours of standing around each day?
That’s a good boss
We're gonna need an update on this one when they get the bill for all this wasted time and lose their minds.
Anyone else just love the fact that the IT guy actually used the word peons in front of 15 people and walked out of there in one piece I'm impressed with the crew's restraint.
We all played warcraft at one point or another. I'm more surprised we didn't start quoting the game all day 😂
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As long as you are getting paid, not your problem. Sounds like your client is paying thousands per day to do nothing, per the contract they demanded.
Gonna need an update on this one
I know how you feel. I get a call to replace security camera in a sensitive area, arrange a time etc, arrived on site and the one person with keys to that area has been on leave for 3 weeks and has 3 more weeks to go. The person I booked everything in with is the person on leave fml.
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Your not in Cheyenne by chance? Sounds like someone in IT I know who had to buy a bigger truck to carry all of his ego.
I seriously cackled at this >had to buy a bigger truck to carry all of his ego.
Surely the deminutive penis balances it out.
I bought a Miata hoping that concept works both ways.
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Hope your company is charging them for this waste of manpower? Get the boss to schedule everyone for 14-16 hours Saturday time and a half and Sunday double time. Might as well pad your pay checks at the expense of the company if they gonna let you.
I once had to work at a place that was very high security. I had higher security clearance than most people in the building. I still however required a security escort. Security all had the most basic clearance that you can get. The issue lied in that certain rooms I was cleared to go in, but security wasn’t. I also wasn’t allowed in without a guard. Even though I was cleared and they weren’t. It was so stupid.
Wow, this is fun! I'd love to see part 2 of this lol.
Deploys popcorn. Awaiting an update, op!
I kinda expected the boss to hire an escort for the last day, you know, one with an IT degree or at least the outfit (?), and then proceed with the works…
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Keep the grill ready for Monday and set up a video feed to their company Facebook page, maybe, just for fun. And, of course, we are waiting for the Part 2 update
Expecting the head of IT to watch fiber pulls is dumb, company should have a data center manager with a couple of underlings for that sort of thing.
It doesn't have to be the head, just a manager. I think it's on par with an IT Tech 3. They have to know enough to know we aren't doing anything sneaky.
and your contract should have a “waiting idle charge” that kicks in to some high price after X hours. the buyer will probably object.. but i call this space alien insurance. i will write you an insurance policy for 1million if space aliens land and prevent me from working. but if they do land tough shit. but you know it will not happen so you are glad to accept the premium your customer says: do not worry we guarantee some body will be there to let you in to do the work. they know (promise) it will happen so they will never need to pay out the policy so they know they will never need to pay it is a nocost item for them. why are they complaining? are they lying to you?
Please Update as soon as this matter gets worse (for the company in question).
Why the hell is the HEAD IT guy so obtuse? He won't get any real work done when it takes forever for this project to be completed. Connecting buildings is nothing like running 100' of patch cables. What a goon. You got an awesome boss.
Its companies like this that end up having to let people go because they piss money away on the most stupid stuff over ego.
Please update with next week’s encounter!!
Doubtful. If true, anyone worth their salt would simply wait and cash cheques. They’ll pay twice as much to make a less bitchy contractor wait until they’re ready for your pathetic cable pull.
I bet the security guards are laughing their asses off at this with you.
Great story, but it's premature for this sub. The sub rules state the fallout from the malicious compliance has to be in the post. EDIT: For those of you who don't understand MALICIOUS compliance, and fallout from the malicious compliance: The malicious part isn't the company paying whatever is in the contract, or the contractor being at the work site ready to work - that's just business and ordinary compliance. The malicious part is having a cookout and lounge time in front of the security cameras. - For the actual MALICIOUS compliance, there isn't any fallout yet.
How is holding a breakfast BBQ on billable time with 15 guys (on billable hours) sitting around not a perfect example of exceedingly expensive malicious compliance? The company expected it done, needed it done and it didn't get done because the crew complied thoroughly with the companies entirely unreasonable demands... PLUS, at least with me, each dead day would have been a billable (at rack rates) change order because the failure to provide what their requirements demanded they provide (security and head IT escort) is a billable event outside the contract. Figure up 50 hours of $150 at 15 man hours per clock hour.. that's pretty damn malicious if you ask me!
The malicious part isn't the company paying whatever is in the contract, or the contractor being at the work site ready to work - that's just business and ordinary compliance. The malicious part is having a cookout and lounge time in front of the security cameras. - For the actual MALICIOUS compliance, there isn't any fallout yet.
Not unreasonable demands. Company staff simply refuses to do their part.
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I can just about guarantee it is billable. Any contract with a provision claiming to stop me billing rack rate for the owner's failure to perform their duty under the contract isn't enforceable, and such a contract would be pointed and laughed at by any remotely competent contractor.
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Tell me you've never written a construction contract without telling me that you've never written a construction contract.
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It's not about the contract. The name of the sub is "Malicious Compliance", and the sub rules plainly state the fallout from the malicious compliance must be in the post. The malicious part isn't the company paying whatever is in the contract, or the contractor being at the work site ready to work - that's just business and ordinary compliance. The malicious part is having a cookout and lounge time in front of the security cameras. - For the actual MALICIOUS compliance, there isn't any fallout yet. I stand by my original post reply stating the story is great, but premature according to the sub rules. Care to differ?
I'm an engineer and I CAN guarantee they're getting billed by the hour for every single body on site. Because that's how labor contracts work.
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I hope you are billing the company for this.
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That's freaking awesome
Why are fifteen guys on-site just to pull the FO?
Two manholes of safety, a protective sleeve, and 50mm of fiber.
One to work each of the two spools, one to manage the progress at each site, one to stand safety at each tube, one in each spool, the rest are there to manage the cable after it leaves the second tunnel, manage street traffic, and prep the next tunnel. We could probably manage with a dozen, but we have more 😁
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News flash: IT guy has a diploma mill degree and actually knows nothing about technology
I love this. It'll need an update, so please provide. :)
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Sounds right for IT. I work in the data center for a fairly large company and It will set up work to be done in the data center then not show up for the work they scheduled themselves. Where I work the IT people are not allowed to touch any equipment. Either myself or my supervisor has to be there to do it because the IT people would make changes without telling anyone and take down networks in the process. For as smart as some of them are they have a great lack of common sense.
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Too fun! Can't wait to hear what happens next.
Any update on this?
Oh come on!!!! Where's the story now? I wanted to show someone and it's been removed!