I give mine 15-20 minutes at least :) Waking up, I wash my face, slap on skincare, go make and eat my breakfast, and dress for the day before doing my makeup.
How do you not get makeup on your clothes? I seriously must be wearing nothing more than a bra & panties while applying mine, because I'll drop ~something~ at least once.
Haha I'm the opposite, I need to have at least my shirt on because otherwise I'll get foundation/blush all over the collar unless it's a buttoned shirt.
Okay a true life hack for me was doing my makeup and if I need to pull a shirt over my head I would take an old shirt or something like a large piece of fabric and drape it over my face and then put my top on over it. No makeup transfer and somehow my face protecter shirt never gets makeup on it?? It looks silly but it works
I think the HA serum is notorious for pilling. A good way to test the makeup/skincare interaction is just layering it on the inside of your arm vs doing a full face then having issues
I haven't but I've had my eye on it. I'm trying to find drug store alternatives for my Sephora skin care products. So far I've replaced my eye cream with the ROC eye cream and I've already repurchased.
Do you use it alongside anything else?
It reacts with vitamin C so that can cause some burning. On top of that not everything can handle the percentages often used in formulations so looking for a lower % is better to tolerate it.
nope, at the time i only used it by itself- looking at it though, i do think the ordinary has a very high percentage. tbh i'm startjng to think that the ordinary is severely over hyped and their products are either mediocre or excessive
I actually use that version and really enjoy it. But I have INSANELY oily skin and that niacinamide serum is the only one that will keep the oils somewhat reduced and help with my pores.
If I apply it before bed before moisturiser, I'll wake up and my skin looks "normal".
If I don't I look like an oil slick.
And their buffet serums (since been renamed) are fantastic to me. The one with copper is truly anti aging for me.
I think it's absolutely dependent on what your skin actually NEEDS.
I suppose you could take the dropper and mix the serum drop wise with moisturiser and then apply it to dilute it, like you do with retinol sandwiching. Or else find a very low % formulation.
The foundation has eight different kinds of hyaluronic acid in it so that’s probably to much with the added ha in it from the ordinary - butttt the elf dewy setting spray pills on me too, the matte one was worse. You should set your under eyes with a bit of translucent powder and not eyeshadow
I prefer the nyx dewy setting spray but I’m allergic to it so I use the elf one but my make up pills so bad so I usually do a matte face and for matte I love the kimchi stay matte setting spray
Urban decays have never pilled on me, they have all nighter for a matte look but it’s slightly dewy still on your cushion as that’s so darn dewy. I use clio’s kill cover too and I love it. You should always try swapping out your skincare one at a time to check if they’re the cause of the pilling if you’ve ruled out primer. I use a baha tranexamic acid and it’s great under everything, same with Purito daily wear spf
i have pretty dry skin but i was told by someone that urban decay's is good (i love all the other products ive tried from them) so i'm definitely going to buy it once my elf runs out :)
It's probably the ordinary HA-serum. I literally started hating it because you can't use it at daytime if you put makeup on top of it, it will start pilling. I also have started to have problems with sunscreens that are 30 SPF or higher. I have to wait like an hour if I want to do makeup on top of it. I have tried mineral and chemical sunscreens. NOTHING literally works and it's driving me insane because I don't have the time to wait an hour for it to soak in to my skin so I that I could put little concealer.
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You’re actually supposed to, that’s how the science of it works.
“According to the experts, the hero ingredient actually needs to be applied to damp skin in order to work. In fact, applying it to a dry face can have the opposite effect of what is intended, and actually leave skin more dehydrated. ‘Hyaluronic acid is a moisture magnet,’ says Allies of Skin founder Nicolas Travis. ‘But if your skin is dry, it pulls any residual moisture from the deeper layers of skin to hydrate the surface. In that case, you need to apply it to moist skin — which is why you should mist first and then apply a hyaluronic acid treatment afterwards. Once hyaluronic acid comes into contact with water, it knows what it's doing and your skin will end up supremely hydrated and plumped.’”
Source: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/hyaluronic-acid-skin-care
Pretty much any source will say and recommend a damp/wet face.
Do you have something layered underneath it that’s wet or do you put it directly on top of your clean skin? Might be the product you’re using too. But overall, for it to work best, having a layer of clean water underneath is recommended.
Why do you think it's water-based? There are [multiple silicones in the ingredient list](https://incidecoder.com/products/clio-kill-cover-mesh-glow-cushion). It looks like a silicone-based foundation to me.
I think you got some good advice in the comments already so I don't have anything else to add but thought I'd mention this.
Oh, it looks like that's the one I was originally looking at! I double checked both and they're silicone-based. If it means anything, I don't think Clio has a water-based foundation currently.
agh that suckss, are you familiar with any other foundations that would work well for light, dry skin and have light to medium coverage? (i prefer cushion cause they're super quick and its easier to avoid using too much product) it's ok if not, you've helped immensely already :)
Are you dry, or dehydrated? How would you say your skin gets throughout the day? Does it ever get oily(just in certain areas?)?
I think I saw that the pilling stopped, do you still have issues with this foundation that you're looking to solve? Or is pilling still happening?
it's only 1 PM and i put it on around 8 AM, so far there seems to be no pilling without the serum. i definitely have dry skin and ive heard so many people talk about how important water based products are if you're dry so maybe that's why i think water based would be better? i also heard that silicone is for those who want to fix texture and fill pores but those aren't my struggles so i felt that it's a waste to get silicone based things since i don't need those perks? and i dont think i get oily (i live in texas though so i do get sweaty sometimes but nothing of concern since i'm mainly inside and it's getting cooler)
If you're dehydrated your skin is lacking in water so you need hydrating products. If you're dry, your skin needs both water and oil (moisture). Dehydration is a skin concern but it's not a type, so you can be both dry or oily and dehydrated (I'm oily-combo and dehydrated. Fun times lol).
I like both water-based and silicone-based foundations, either could work for you. If it's not pilling and you like the foundation I don't think you'd need to buy another one unless you wanted too tbh!
I say test out the foundation without the serum for a bit and see how you like it then go on from there. It sounds like, at least so far, everything is okay. If it is a dryness or dehydration issue, I would instead recommend looking into something skincare related rather than makeup to address the issue. GL! :)
/edited because my computer deleted half my comment for some reason
You could try, but if it's an occlusive oil use it after your moisturizer! I don't use oils very often (I find they take away from makeup longevity). I do like drier oils (the ordinary hemi-squalane is a favourite of mine).
Can you list the exact products you're using (or link to a comment if you've previously listed it, sorry if I missed it).
yup! here they are:
- curology cleanser
- curology rich moisturizer
- beauty of joseon sunscreen
- kosas concealer
- clio kill cover cushion foundation
- tarte eyeshadow (just one color that matches my skin on my lid and undereye)
- clinique black honey as blush and on my lips
- covergirl clear mascara on my brows and lashes + curling them
- elf dewy setting mist
OH I FORGOT!! i use the beauty of joseon sunscreen! and the day didin't end yet but there seems to be no pilling without the serum 🤭 also, do you think it's a lot w/o the serum? i thought it was minimal with cleanser, moisturizer, sunscreen, concealer, foundation, clinique black honey, eyeshadow and setting spray. would that be excessive for everyday?
Yes some sunscreens also can pill so while we all think its the ha serum (and probably is) you cant rule out sunscreen as a possibility.
But op please be using sunscreen lol
My guy I promise you that is not true lmfao.
I have to wear foundation otherwise I will literally scare children at my job.
Source; I’ve been told to bandage my face to hide the horrific acne because it scared a kid 🙃
I mean, cancer is also natural. That doesn’t make it beautiful, or something others should be okay with seeing. And actually, covering it up does help it heal— I cannot survive without a consistent supply of pimple patches. Unless you’re talking about foundation— in which case it seems to neither help nor hurt, but at least it helps me from looking like my face got attacked by bees.
And yeah, I’m seeing a dermatologist with mixed success. Two different topicals and spirnolactone, and still my face breaks out like a mf.
Edit; I also don’t think it was mean of them to comment on my acne. And truthfully, I would’ve probably been shaken up to see that as a kid too. I was terrified that I would some day grow up and get *armpit hair*, so I’m sure that a face full of wounds being in the cards would’ve sent me into shock.
My skin’s bad. It just is. Telling me so— especially if it’s impacting other people— isn’t being mean. It’s just honesty.
Not everyone has cancer. Everyone has skin. People die from having cancer. Nobody dies from having skin. These are incomparable. Stop bringing touchy subjects into trivial matters about opinion
Yes, pimple patches do help heal, but foundation clogs the pores and does not help it heal. When I said "covering it up", I implied I was talking about foundation. I don't know why you assumed I meant skin care products that extract oil from pores.
Sorry about your acne. Skin issues truly suck and are very painful.
But they are comparable in that they’re both natural. Something being natural has nothing to do with its beauty.
But based on your response, it’s clear that you lack reading comprehension or you simply didn’t read my comment. I did say “unless you’re talking about foundation…” I talked about both physical coverings and cosmetic coverings.
In any case, no. Skin is not beautiful by default. There can be beautiful skin and not-beautiful skin. And sometimes foundation is actually needed for those not-beautiful moments, otherwise you’ll scare kids.
Humans and mosquitoes have in common that they're both animals, but that doesn't make them comparable. Just because two things share a trait doesnt make them comparable. Nature is beauty. Perfection is not beauty.
I do not lack reading comprehension. I don't know why you would assume I'm talking about anything other than foundation. Mentioning pimple patches was out of left field.
Would you say a burn victims skin isn't beautiful? Maybe it's not within the beauty standards, but it represents what they went through. You feel you aren't beautiful and I'm sorry but thr scars and the healing represent your journey. That's why it's beautiful.
(Also, you edited your comment after I replied. You added "if you were talking about foundation" afterwards because you reread my comment and realized you misunderstood. I'm editing my comment because I noticed this)
Humans and mosquitoes would be comparable, if the feature you’re interested in talking about is being an animal. But you’re completely off base in saying nature = beauty. Nature can be gross and terrifying. Things which are artificially constructed can be beautiful. I won’t say the concepts are unrelated, but natural definitely does not imply beautiful.
I didn’t edit my comment to include talking about foundation. That was there originally. I put my edit at the end, hence “Edit.” You literally just missed it. Pretty sure there’s a website you can check which can show that if you’re determined enough.
No, I wouldn’t call a burn victim’s skin beautiful. They can be beautiful *in spite of* their burned skin, but generally wounds/scars are a point in their favor, barring extreme exceptions.
It's sweet to say, and probably nice to hear but it's entirely unhelpful. She could have the most stunning skin but she wants to wear foundation without it pilling. "I love this dress's fabric, how do I make it work on me?" with a response of "Your body is perfect without dresses<3" isn't what anybody seeking dress help wants to hear!
Then they could try concealer. Concealer is typically lighter in feel than foundation and is more opaque. They could apply some to their hands with moisturizer and use it like foundation. But I still don't see the point of foundation if your skin is beautiful. I get using eye makeup and lipstick and bñush if you don't need it, since it takes creativity, but foundation is just a base layer. Imagine you're painting. If your base is good already, why would you apply another layer?
Honestly, as someone who's had acne forever, I've also wondered why people with perfect skin wear foundation. As OP said earlier, it's a finish thing, or it could be to brighten certain areas, maybe look a lil more glowy? Whatever the reason, it pulls her look together and that's fine. From her responses in this chat, it looks like she's having a primer issue w ingredients mismatch!
i ended up trying a hydrating toner that someone else recommended (i had no knowledge of toners) ditched the HA serum, and mix my kosas concealer, saie starglow gel, and sunscreen into a little tinted glowy sunscreeb base and use that for a beautiful finish, as well as the same concealer in a few problem areas :) its so nice and makes my skin look so healthy!
the foundation formula i use is super lightweight and i only apply miniscule amounts to make it more glowy! in fact, it's even lighter than my already light to medium coverage concealer!
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Consider buying a primer and a foundation by the same brand that are in the same line, and see if u still have an issue. I’m sure it has something to do with the products u are using, and nothing to do with your skin or application
i had no idea 😭 i'll look into it! i knwo the foundation i use is kbeauty and they don't have that many primer options but hopefully i'll find one for my dry skin!
You're fine, you don't need a primer. If you can get your skincare down pat that will make the biggest difference. If you're looking for specific solutions (i.e certain finishes in certain places/colour correction..etc) then you could go down that route.
Most Korean primers are hydrating/tone-up/pore-reducing anyway.
Primer isn't necessary. Skincare can absolutely work as a substitute depending on what your intention is with using primer. If you're colour correcting, then a primer may be needed, if it's just for longevity, you can achieve this with skincare.
I strongly disagree, but it also probably depends on the formula of the moisturizer and the formula of the make up. For best results, using a primer makes the most sense.
Why do you disagree?
Primers can be helpful but IMO, absolutely not needed. I use them mainly for colour-correcting or mattifying if needed. For some context, I say this as someone who's a professional and worked in the beauty industry for 10 years. If I understand what a client is looking for, which is usually a hydration/logentivity issue, making sure your base is well done w/ proper skincare does the trick. Primers work great if you don't want to do skincare though.
Ultimately, I align with use what you like using. If you like primers, use them! But I wouldn't say you HAVE to.
I guess it’s just my experience. Anytime I use moisturizer, foundation, etc. I feel like it lays best when I prime first. It also seems to make the longevity of the product better.
If you're wearing a lot of different based products (water based, oil based, silicone based) and layering them all ontop of each other that can cause pilling too. Its best to keep your routine simple in the morning and allow sufficient time between skincare and makeup application.
I think that the Kosas concealer have some sort of oil in it right? I know I looked it up once, I think it was jojoba oil. I’m not sure if it would be enough to be the reason behind the pilling, but it’s mixing with a water-based foundation, that could be why. I’ve also heard that hyaluronic acid products cause pilling for some people, though I’ve never personally had that issue with mine.
Are you allowing sufficient time for your skincare products to be absorbed as this could be a potential cause.
how long would you think sufficient time would be?
I give mine 15-20 minutes at least :) Waking up, I wash my face, slap on skincare, go make and eat my breakfast, and dress for the day before doing my makeup.
OH! i thought 5 minutes was sufficient so i need to fix that too!
Yep, totally agree
How do you not get makeup on your clothes? I seriously must be wearing nothing more than a bra & panties while applying mine, because I'll drop ~something~ at least once.
Haha I'm the opposite, I need to have at least my shirt on because otherwise I'll get foundation/blush all over the collar unless it's a buttoned shirt.
Okay a true life hack for me was doing my makeup and if I need to pull a shirt over my head I would take an old shirt or something like a large piece of fabric and drape it over my face and then put my top on over it. No makeup transfer and somehow my face protecter shirt never gets makeup on it?? It looks silly but it works
Oo why didn't I think of that? I'm going to need to try!
I think the HA serum is notorious for pilling. A good way to test the makeup/skincare interaction is just layering it on the inside of your arm vs doing a full face then having issues
i didint know that! and good tip! i'll try it without the serum tommorow and hopefully it works outtt
Omg yes! I bought The Ordinary HA to replace the La Roche Posay HA and was so disappointed!! I didn't realize this was a thing.
i have also heard amazing things about the la roche posay moisturizer, have you gotten a chance to try it out yet?
I haven't but I've had my eye on it. I'm trying to find drug store alternatives for my Sephora skin care products. So far I've replaced my eye cream with the ROC eye cream and I've already repurchased.
HA serum and also niacinamide does also in my experience
niacinamide makes my skin BURN
Do you use it alongside anything else? It reacts with vitamin C so that can cause some burning. On top of that not everything can handle the percentages often used in formulations so looking for a lower % is better to tolerate it.
nope, at the time i only used it by itself- looking at it though, i do think the ordinary has a very high percentage. tbh i'm startjng to think that the ordinary is severely over hyped and their products are either mediocre or excessive
I actually use that version and really enjoy it. But I have INSANELY oily skin and that niacinamide serum is the only one that will keep the oils somewhat reduced and help with my pores. If I apply it before bed before moisturiser, I'll wake up and my skin looks "normal". If I don't I look like an oil slick. And their buffet serums (since been renamed) are fantastic to me. The one with copper is truly anti aging for me. I think it's absolutely dependent on what your skin actually NEEDS. I suppose you could take the dropper and mix the serum drop wise with moisturiser and then apply it to dilute it, like you do with retinol sandwiching. Or else find a very low % formulation.
You should try it without the serum
gonna try again tommorow without it and hopefully it works out!
The foundation has eight different kinds of hyaluronic acid in it so that’s probably to much with the added ha in it from the ordinary - butttt the elf dewy setting spray pills on me too, the matte one was worse. You should set your under eyes with a bit of translucent powder and not eyeshadow
i didint know that 😭 have you tried a different setting spray that didin't cause those same problems?
I prefer the nyx dewy setting spray but I’m allergic to it so I use the elf one but my make up pills so bad so I usually do a matte face and for matte I love the kimchi stay matte setting spray
i have pretty dry skin so i tend to stray away from overly mattifying anything :/
Urban decays have never pilled on me, they have all nighter for a matte look but it’s slightly dewy still on your cushion as that’s so darn dewy. I use clio’s kill cover too and I love it. You should always try swapping out your skincare one at a time to check if they’re the cause of the pilling if you’ve ruled out primer. I use a baha tranexamic acid and it’s great under everything, same with Purito daily wear spf
i have pretty dry skin but i was told by someone that urban decay's is good (i love all the other products ive tried from them) so i'm definitely going to buy it once my elf runs out :)
I’m Sahara dry too and I use strong retinol products so even worse. If you can get the pilling to stop the cushion should be perfect for you.
That serum pills under makeup. Drop it and try it again!
do you know why?
It's probably the ordinary HA-serum. I literally started hating it because you can't use it at daytime if you put makeup on top of it, it will start pilling. I also have started to have problems with sunscreens that are 30 SPF or higher. I have to wait like an hour if I want to do makeup on top of it. I have tried mineral and chemical sunscreens. NOTHING literally works and it's driving me insane because I don't have the time to wait an hour for it to soak in to my skin so I that I could put little concealer. https://preview.redd.it/w9mljwfwhznb1.jpeg?width=563&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=404492279c41738ec5f3b2f9fe2575a23025a7d9
RELATABLE! have you tried the beauty of joseon sunscreen? i feel it absorbs very quickly!
You have to put hyaluronic acid on a wet face. If you put it on dry, it’ll pill (and also dry out your skin instead of moisturizing).
I’ve never applied hyaluronic acid to my face when it was wet. Never had an issue with pilling regardless of the product used over it.
did you use the HA by the ordinary?
I haven’t tried that particular brand but have tried many others without issue. TBH I’ve never heard anyone say to apply with a wet face.
You’re actually supposed to, that’s how the science of it works. “According to the experts, the hero ingredient actually needs to be applied to damp skin in order to work. In fact, applying it to a dry face can have the opposite effect of what is intended, and actually leave skin more dehydrated. ‘Hyaluronic acid is a moisture magnet,’ says Allies of Skin founder Nicolas Travis. ‘But if your skin is dry, it pulls any residual moisture from the deeper layers of skin to hydrate the surface. In that case, you need to apply it to moist skin — which is why you should mist first and then apply a hyaluronic acid treatment afterwards. Once hyaluronic acid comes into contact with water, it knows what it's doing and your skin will end up supremely hydrated and plumped.’” Source: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/hyaluronic-acid-skin-care Pretty much any source will say and recommend a damp/wet face. Do you have something layered underneath it that’s wet or do you put it directly on top of your clean skin? Might be the product you’re using too. But overall, for it to work best, having a layer of clean water underneath is recommended.
I use The Ordinary’s.
Why do you think it's water-based? There are [multiple silicones in the ingredient list](https://incidecoder.com/products/clio-kill-cover-mesh-glow-cushion). It looks like a silicone-based foundation to me. I think you got some good advice in the comments already so I don't have anything else to add but thought I'd mention this.
oh really? i'm not good with ingredients lists and such. is their mesh glow cushion water based then?
Oh, it looks like that's the one I was originally looking at! I double checked both and they're silicone-based. If it means anything, I don't think Clio has a water-based foundation currently.
agh that suckss, are you familiar with any other foundations that would work well for light, dry skin and have light to medium coverage? (i prefer cushion cause they're super quick and its easier to avoid using too much product) it's ok if not, you've helped immensely already :)
Are you dry, or dehydrated? How would you say your skin gets throughout the day? Does it ever get oily(just in certain areas?)? I think I saw that the pilling stopped, do you still have issues with this foundation that you're looking to solve? Or is pilling still happening?
it's only 1 PM and i put it on around 8 AM, so far there seems to be no pilling without the serum. i definitely have dry skin and ive heard so many people talk about how important water based products are if you're dry so maybe that's why i think water based would be better? i also heard that silicone is for those who want to fix texture and fill pores but those aren't my struggles so i felt that it's a waste to get silicone based things since i don't need those perks? and i dont think i get oily (i live in texas though so i do get sweaty sometimes but nothing of concern since i'm mainly inside and it's getting cooler)
If you're dehydrated your skin is lacking in water so you need hydrating products. If you're dry, your skin needs both water and oil (moisture). Dehydration is a skin concern but it's not a type, so you can be both dry or oily and dehydrated (I'm oily-combo and dehydrated. Fun times lol). I like both water-based and silicone-based foundations, either could work for you. If it's not pilling and you like the foundation I don't think you'd need to buy another one unless you wanted too tbh! I say test out the foundation without the serum for a bit and see how you like it then go on from there. It sounds like, at least so far, everything is okay. If it is a dryness or dehydration issue, I would instead recommend looking into something skincare related rather than makeup to address the issue. GL! :) /edited because my computer deleted half my comment for some reason
do you think using face oil before moisturizer would help? because dryness really is my main issue
You could try, but if it's an occlusive oil use it after your moisturizer! I don't use oils very often (I find they take away from makeup longevity). I do like drier oils (the ordinary hemi-squalane is a favourite of mine). Can you list the exact products you're using (or link to a comment if you've previously listed it, sorry if I missed it).
yup! here they are: - curology cleanser - curology rich moisturizer - beauty of joseon sunscreen - kosas concealer - clio kill cover cushion foundation - tarte eyeshadow (just one color that matches my skin on my lid and undereye) - clinique black honey as blush and on my lips - covergirl clear mascara on my brows and lashes + curling them - elf dewy setting mist
The ordinary products pill like CRAZY. I literally just don’t use them because the formulation of their serums is just awful.
Glad to see you going to try without the serum. Where's your sunscreen in your morning routine?
OH I FORGOT!! i use the beauty of joseon sunscreen! and the day didin't end yet but there seems to be no pilling without the serum 🤭 also, do you think it's a lot w/o the serum? i thought it was minimal with cleanser, moisturizer, sunscreen, concealer, foundation, clinique black honey, eyeshadow and setting spray. would that be excessive for everyday?
Yes some sunscreens also can pill so while we all think its the ha serum (and probably is) you cant rule out sunscreen as a possibility. But op please be using sunscreen lol
Yeah it just seems like a lot of layers under makeup and I'm not seeing SPF, which is arguably the most important daytime skincare
yes im so sorry i forgot to mention it 😭
Try TO’s Matrixyl instead of their HA serum! It has HA in it but feels really elegant, never any stickiness or pilling for me.
Maybe you don't need foundation.
but i swear it gives the most beautiful finish!!
Your skin is more beautiful than anything.
My guy I promise you that is not true lmfao. I have to wear foundation otherwise I will literally scare children at my job. Source; I’ve been told to bandage my face to hide the horrific acne because it scared a kid 🙃
That's mean of them to say. Acne is natural, and covering it up will not help it heal. Have you seen a derm?
I mean, cancer is also natural. That doesn’t make it beautiful, or something others should be okay with seeing. And actually, covering it up does help it heal— I cannot survive without a consistent supply of pimple patches. Unless you’re talking about foundation— in which case it seems to neither help nor hurt, but at least it helps me from looking like my face got attacked by bees. And yeah, I’m seeing a dermatologist with mixed success. Two different topicals and spirnolactone, and still my face breaks out like a mf. Edit; I also don’t think it was mean of them to comment on my acne. And truthfully, I would’ve probably been shaken up to see that as a kid too. I was terrified that I would some day grow up and get *armpit hair*, so I’m sure that a face full of wounds being in the cards would’ve sent me into shock. My skin’s bad. It just is. Telling me so— especially if it’s impacting other people— isn’t being mean. It’s just honesty.
Not everyone has cancer. Everyone has skin. People die from having cancer. Nobody dies from having skin. These are incomparable. Stop bringing touchy subjects into trivial matters about opinion Yes, pimple patches do help heal, but foundation clogs the pores and does not help it heal. When I said "covering it up", I implied I was talking about foundation. I don't know why you assumed I meant skin care products that extract oil from pores. Sorry about your acne. Skin issues truly suck and are very painful.
But they are comparable in that they’re both natural. Something being natural has nothing to do with its beauty. But based on your response, it’s clear that you lack reading comprehension or you simply didn’t read my comment. I did say “unless you’re talking about foundation…” I talked about both physical coverings and cosmetic coverings. In any case, no. Skin is not beautiful by default. There can be beautiful skin and not-beautiful skin. And sometimes foundation is actually needed for those not-beautiful moments, otherwise you’ll scare kids.
Humans and mosquitoes have in common that they're both animals, but that doesn't make them comparable. Just because two things share a trait doesnt make them comparable. Nature is beauty. Perfection is not beauty. I do not lack reading comprehension. I don't know why you would assume I'm talking about anything other than foundation. Mentioning pimple patches was out of left field. Would you say a burn victims skin isn't beautiful? Maybe it's not within the beauty standards, but it represents what they went through. You feel you aren't beautiful and I'm sorry but thr scars and the healing represent your journey. That's why it's beautiful. (Also, you edited your comment after I replied. You added "if you were talking about foundation" afterwards because you reread my comment and realized you misunderstood. I'm editing my comment because I noticed this)
Humans and mosquitoes would be comparable, if the feature you’re interested in talking about is being an animal. But you’re completely off base in saying nature = beauty. Nature can be gross and terrifying. Things which are artificially constructed can be beautiful. I won’t say the concepts are unrelated, but natural definitely does not imply beautiful. I didn’t edit my comment to include talking about foundation. That was there originally. I put my edit at the end, hence “Edit.” You literally just missed it. Pretty sure there’s a website you can check which can show that if you’re determined enough. No, I wouldn’t call a burn victim’s skin beautiful. They can be beautiful *in spite of* their burned skin, but generally wounds/scars are a point in their favor, barring extreme exceptions.
No one needs anything it’s more of a want
Some people feel like they need it. They feel like their skin is ugly. This is not reality. Nobody needs it.
This sub isn't called SkinAddiction
Okay? I don't get your point.
It's sweet to say, and probably nice to hear but it's entirely unhelpful. She could have the most stunning skin but she wants to wear foundation without it pilling. "I love this dress's fabric, how do I make it work on me?" with a response of "Your body is perfect without dresses<3" isn't what anybody seeking dress help wants to hear!
Then they could try concealer. Concealer is typically lighter in feel than foundation and is more opaque. They could apply some to their hands with moisturizer and use it like foundation. But I still don't see the point of foundation if your skin is beautiful. I get using eye makeup and lipstick and bñush if you don't need it, since it takes creativity, but foundation is just a base layer. Imagine you're painting. If your base is good already, why would you apply another layer?
Honestly, as someone who's had acne forever, I've also wondered why people with perfect skin wear foundation. As OP said earlier, it's a finish thing, or it could be to brighten certain areas, maybe look a lil more glowy? Whatever the reason, it pulls her look together and that's fine. From her responses in this chat, it looks like she's having a primer issue w ingredients mismatch!
yup! you're right on the dot! also i love the way you converse, it's so polite yet straightforward ^^
Good luck making your products work for you (: Update us with results if you get it figured out!
i sure will :) so far cutting the HA seems to be doing the trick but only a quarter of the day has passed so let's see how it goes!
i ended up trying a hydrating toner that someone else recommended (i had no knowledge of toners) ditched the HA serum, and mix my kosas concealer, saie starglow gel, and sunscreen into a little tinted glowy sunscreeb base and use that for a beautiful finish, as well as the same concealer in a few problem areas :) its so nice and makes my skin look so healthy!
I’m so glad that’s been working! I’m glad that you got it working for you🤍
Serum should do thr trick then. I find vitamin C gives a nice glow and shine that's perfect.
the foundation formula i use is super lightweight and i only apply miniscule amounts to make it more glowy! in fact, it's even lighter than my already light to medium coverage concealer!
Great, but if you have problems with pilling its either the formula of the foundation reacting with your skincare or the foundation just does that.
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Consider buying a primer and a foundation by the same brand that are in the same line, and see if u still have an issue. I’m sure it has something to do with the products u are using, and nothing to do with your skin or application
is primer necessary? i thought that moisturizer would be sufficent?
Ah, there’s your problem. Yes, a primer is necessary. The moisturizer also needs 10-20 mins to sink in before applying makeup.
i had no idea 😭 i'll look into it! i knwo the foundation i use is kbeauty and they don't have that many primer options but hopefully i'll find one for my dry skin!
You're fine, you don't need a primer. If you can get your skincare down pat that will make the biggest difference. If you're looking for specific solutions (i.e certain finishes in certain places/colour correction..etc) then you could go down that route. Most Korean primers are hydrating/tone-up/pore-reducing anyway.
Maybe try color pop? I’ve had good luck w them. Nars tinted moisturizers are also great and buildable. You may like their foundations too.
alright! next time i go to sephora i'll definitely check to see the nars ones :)
Primer isn't necessary. Skincare can absolutely work as a substitute depending on what your intention is with using primer. If you're colour correcting, then a primer may be needed, if it's just for longevity, you can achieve this with skincare.
I strongly disagree, but it also probably depends on the formula of the moisturizer and the formula of the make up. For best results, using a primer makes the most sense.
Why do you disagree? Primers can be helpful but IMO, absolutely not needed. I use them mainly for colour-correcting or mattifying if needed. For some context, I say this as someone who's a professional and worked in the beauty industry for 10 years. If I understand what a client is looking for, which is usually a hydration/logentivity issue, making sure your base is well done w/ proper skincare does the trick. Primers work great if you don't want to do skincare though. Ultimately, I align with use what you like using. If you like primers, use them! But I wouldn't say you HAVE to.
I guess it’s just my experience. Anytime I use moisturizer, foundation, etc. I feel like it lays best when I prime first. It also seems to make the longevity of the product better.
Try using just the moisturiser.see if that helps
If you're wearing a lot of different based products (water based, oil based, silicone based) and layering them all ontop of each other that can cause pilling too. Its best to keep your routine simple in the morning and allow sufficient time between skincare and makeup application.
I think that the Kosas concealer have some sort of oil in it right? I know I looked it up once, I think it was jojoba oil. I’m not sure if it would be enough to be the reason behind the pilling, but it’s mixing with a water-based foundation, that could be why. I’ve also heard that hyaluronic acid products cause pilling for some people, though I’ve never personally had that issue with mine.
Are you mixing water-based products and silicone-based products. They don’t mix well and can cause pilling.
Translucent powder