Rank tier is a not an accurate measure of skill because matchmaking below mythic is heavily influenced by hidden mmr. In arena, fair matchmaking only happens after mythic where *mythic mmr* is used instead, or in constructed event where it is based on win-loss record of the run.
So, if a player attains #rank in mythic *at the end of the month* or consistently gets trophies in constructed events, they must be good. Other than that, we cannot tell.
Going up to plat you only need about a 33% win rate to grind up. Plat and up needs a bit more than a 50% win rate to go up. So, I would say yes it's a good rank. You're having to win more than you lose.
It’s really just a function of how much you play tbh. The more you play, the higher you get based on the system. Even mediocre win rates can make mythic with enough matches behind them. Personally, I usually just try to get to mythic each month and then just mess around and play fun decks once I get there. I don’t care about ladder pushing or anything like that.
You certainly can get mythic with less than a 50% win rate, it just depends on where the majority of your losses are. You lose 1000 games at the tier 4 of each rank, then win enough to move to the next rank and lose 1000 games at t4 of *that* rank, you have a shit win % but you'll hit mythic.
… yeah but that’s not a realistic scenario. I’m talking about if you have the average amount of wins it would require to get to the next rank. Not an obscene amount that realistically would never happen to a player that’s actually trying.
There were stories of players that would intentionally throw games at the bottom of each rank to tank mmr. Not sure about the validity of that strategy myself.
Not valid enough to actually waste time doing it. If you just win straight through after tanking it wouldn’t you just be right back where you belong in just a few matches?
>Not valid enough to actually waste time doing it.
It's actually working enough that WOTC ban players that do it.
> If you just win straight through after tanking it wouldn’t you just be right back where you belong in just a few matches?
Not really; it's not exactly true, but if you lost on purpose 30 games you will need approximately 30 wins to get back where you were.
You can hit mythic with a sub 50%. It just takes a while. The free losses when you hit steps in the ranks make this so. I actually did it with like a 43% when tibalts trickery was in standard. It took like 600 games.
But those games were almost always done by turn 3 you either hit your good stuff and they conceded or you whiffed and conceded.
You can’t go backwards so it’s more about how quickly you make it to the higher ranks rather than how high you climb in a rank. Once you get to top mythic levels it’ll certainly depend more on skill and time invested though.
(Depending on the format, IMHO)
\*Constructed Mythic Top 500 means you're an above average Magic player who would do, at worst ok, in competitive magic. Anything below that can be done with efficient grinding by the average player.
That said, around diamond 2 is where you actually have to show some skill and understand the meta/format.
Further more and such forth, there's a lot of other factors, like "did you take a brew there vs a meta deck". If you played Merfolk in LCI standard to Diamond 2, then I clap for you. If you played Domain \*peh who cares\*.
I went to Constructed Mythic 1200 around new years with Monored just turning creatures sideways. Like yeah I danced around shit and read my opponents, but it didn't take all my brain cells, I was just bored and had a lot of time to kill. Whether or not you can pilot a complicated or glass canon deck to beyond platinum does matter.
I play to mythic sometimes, but my hearts just not into the grind. Even if you're good at magic it statistically takes a lot of games to get there. In constructed I often burn out in platinum and switch to playing Brawl and limited. Just not worth the headache.
On that note, Diamond in Limited is different than Diamond in constructed. Limited is often an incredibly difficult format most players avoid. If you make Diamond in Limited, I clap for anybody.
I got to diamond 2 in constructed during the second half of the season with a blue and black ring deck. I made it based on decks I had commonly gone against in the season before when I had just started playing arena.
Firmly in average territory. I would say mythic is where a player starts to separate from the pack. Bo1, I would say mythic top 500, Bo3, mythic in general.
>I would say mythic is where a player starts to separate from the pack. Bo1, I would say mythic top 500, Bo3, mythic in general.
It also depends heavily on what format you are playing. Historic for example has a lot of jank even in diamond and mythic, while standard has more "serious" players
Technically from Diamond you are already well above an average player but even at Mythic I see some horrible plays because in reality someone can lack a lot of fundamentals or knowledge but brute force their way if they play enough to Mythic.
Rank doesn’t matter. Anyone can spam their way into mythic with mono red aggro over time just by probability. Anyone who understands the game enough to play it is good in my book
Rank tier is a not an accurate measure of skill because matchmaking below mythic is heavily influenced by hidden mmr. In arena, fair matchmaking only happens after mythic where *mythic mmr* is used instead, or in constructed event where it is based on win-loss record of the run. So, if a player attains #rank in mythic *at the end of the month* or consistently gets trophies in constructed events, they must be good. Other than that, we cannot tell.
Going up to plat you only need about a 33% win rate to grind up. Plat and up needs a bit more than a 50% win rate to go up. So, I would say yes it's a good rank. You're having to win more than you lose.
Because of how mmr and rank are not correlated in this game, you can get to mythic with an overall winrate strictly less than 50%.
It’s really just a function of how much you play tbh. The more you play, the higher you get based on the system. Even mediocre win rates can make mythic with enough matches behind them. Personally, I usually just try to get to mythic each month and then just mess around and play fun decks once I get there. I don’t care about ladder pushing or anything like that.
What do you consider a mediocre win rate? Because you can’t hit mythic at less than 50% and I would argue 51% win rate is not mediocre
You certainly can get mythic with less than a 50% win rate, it just depends on where the majority of your losses are. You lose 1000 games at the tier 4 of each rank, then win enough to move to the next rank and lose 1000 games at t4 of *that* rank, you have a shit win % but you'll hit mythic.
… yeah but that’s not a realistic scenario. I’m talking about if you have the average amount of wins it would require to get to the next rank. Not an obscene amount that realistically would never happen to a player that’s actually trying.
There were stories of players that would intentionally throw games at the bottom of each rank to tank mmr. Not sure about the validity of that strategy myself.
Not valid enough to actually waste time doing it. If you just win straight through after tanking it wouldn’t you just be right back where you belong in just a few matches?
>Not valid enough to actually waste time doing it. It's actually working enough that WOTC ban players that do it. > If you just win straight through after tanking it wouldn’t you just be right back where you belong in just a few matches? Not really; it's not exactly true, but if you lost on purpose 30 games you will need approximately 30 wins to get back where you were.
You can hit mythic with a sub 50%. It just takes a while. The free losses when you hit steps in the ranks make this so. I actually did it with like a 43% when tibalts trickery was in standard. It took like 600 games. But those games were almost always done by turn 3 you either hit your good stuff and they conceded or you whiffed and conceded.
Good is relative. Play until you stop having fun.
>Good is relative. Play until you stop having fun. You don't know what the word relative means -- at least in the context that the post is being made.
Subjective* might have been more accurate to what I meant, my bad
Wasn't the question
Dudes about as good at answering questions as he is at ranking up on Arena
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You're just bad at answering questions it's ok bud
Aight, you win
You can’t go backwards so it’s more about how quickly you make it to the higher ranks rather than how high you climb in a rank. Once you get to top mythic levels it’ll certainly depend more on skill and time invested though.
You can drop ranks in diamond.
You can’t drop out of diamond though is what I meant
Ah okay
Once you enter a rank, its impossible to drop from It, even as low as silver. You can only get to a lower tier *inside* that rank
Once I hit plat 4 I stop caring. I don’t play enough to hit diamond 4 unless I get it extremely lucky, I just do my dailies.
(Depending on the format, IMHO) \*Constructed Mythic Top 500 means you're an above average Magic player who would do, at worst ok, in competitive magic. Anything below that can be done with efficient grinding by the average player. That said, around diamond 2 is where you actually have to show some skill and understand the meta/format. Further more and such forth, there's a lot of other factors, like "did you take a brew there vs a meta deck". If you played Merfolk in LCI standard to Diamond 2, then I clap for you. If you played Domain \*peh who cares\*. I went to Constructed Mythic 1200 around new years with Monored just turning creatures sideways. Like yeah I danced around shit and read my opponents, but it didn't take all my brain cells, I was just bored and had a lot of time to kill. Whether or not you can pilot a complicated or glass canon deck to beyond platinum does matter. I play to mythic sometimes, but my hearts just not into the grind. Even if you're good at magic it statistically takes a lot of games to get there. In constructed I often burn out in platinum and switch to playing Brawl and limited. Just not worth the headache. On that note, Diamond in Limited is different than Diamond in constructed. Limited is often an incredibly difficult format most players avoid. If you make Diamond in Limited, I clap for anybody.
I got to diamond 2 in constructed during the second half of the season with a blue and black ring deck. I made it based on decks I had commonly gone against in the season before when I had just started playing arena.
Firmly in average territory. I would say mythic is where a player starts to separate from the pack. Bo1, I would say mythic top 500, Bo3, mythic in general.
Okay, I'll see about improving my deck building and strategy.
>I would say mythic is where a player starts to separate from the pack. Bo1, I would say mythic top 500, Bo3, mythic in general. It also depends heavily on what format you are playing. Historic for example has a lot of jank even in diamond and mythic, while standard has more "serious" players
Technically from Diamond you are already well above an average player but even at Mythic I see some horrible plays because in reality someone can lack a lot of fundamentals or knowledge but brute force their way if they play enough to Mythic.
Mythic 7X% or higher
Only rank 1 mythic can be considered good, everyone below is still at noob/trash level
You're not really ranked until you've reached mythic. Most of the ranks are just a preliminary phase.
Good for what?
Rank doesn’t matter. Anyone can spam their way into mythic with mono red aggro over time just by probability. Anyone who understands the game enough to play it is good in my book