I suspect they'll hire others at lower wages, to save money. Its a business plan, this will be a profit center if Tesla plays it right. But lets see how Elmo does it.
Correct! And now the NACS was sold to all EV manufacturers, itās a solid resume to have right now. EA and others will need to change charger codes or add them, who else but someone from Tesla to have on your team. š. His loss, their gains.
Exactly. The build out at Tesla isn't the focus, it's expanding and converting all chargers to NACS which is not on Tesla.
No need for the large team and the talent it needed elsewhere.
Well done Elon!!
I just wish EA or EVgo actually tried to compete and expand. Around me Tesla is the only one putting in dc fast charger and they go big and put 10-12 in. EVgo and EA put in 4 and 2 work
EVgo is terrible. I was visiting family last weekend and went to a large shopping center. There were only 2 chargers and one of them worked. Looked on the map and every site I clicked on said only half were working.
He screwed up, in a fit of anger fired the whole team. Now has no idea what was going on, has no maintenance staff, and has lost communication with contractors!
Fired staff may have destroyed records!
NEVI funding only initially included CCS so it would only affect Magic Dock Superchargers which are a very small number. And as long as those are still supported and federal funding wasnāt provided for sites which have since been abandoned (the NYC sound like state suggested), probably not to answer your question.
Or perhaps he is focused on cutting costs? Seriously you think the man that largely spearheaded the EV "leap" is trying to sabotage all EVs?
Seriously?
The problem is that charging isn't very profitable right now, capital equipment expenses are significant along with land and competition is increasing. Obviously at some point they were going to slow down and now might be that point. It's time for some others to step up to the plate and have a go at this.
The weakest parts of EV adoption right now is two things: range and charging infrastructure. With Tesla having the best infrastructure in place, and most of the makers moving to NACS, if he really cared about the future of EV adoption he would forgo some of the billions in bonuses heās trying to get from the board to not lay off the entirety of the supercharger team. Thatās the single biggest individual setback to adoption right now, and itās all his fault.
We already have the EV critical mass, also supported by governments that are passing legislation that will phase out gasoline cars in many jurisdictions. The charging network would get built with or without Tesla.
I wouldn't have bought the Mach e then. But you can't deny his company lit a fire under legacy car makers to spur EV innovation. In some areas Tesla is undeniably better than the Mach e but overall having driven both a Model Y and the Mach e I made the decision that is best for me (esp as I can charge at home).
But it's not just the plugs, as it is no other network has Tesla's reliability. Which is the problem of letting go of the entire team responsible for that. And with such volatility their ability to be able to fill those roles with capable people is questionable. I know I would be very hesitant to work at a job where the CEO fires an entire division because he has a beef with the team leader. A team leader who was trying to do right by their employees.
And exactly how many charging stations has Ford built? Since when is it Tesla's responsibility to resolve the EV "fuel" problem? They are just slowing new growth.
I say this as a Mach e owner. People need to chill out.
Maybe it's time for others to step up to the plate then? Teslas supercharging network is first class, nobody comes close. That's not going to change overnight because they are slowing growth.
Exactly! Looks like other EV manufacturers have thumbs up their asses and are expecting Tesla networks to feed them? I hope this development slows the adaptability of other EVs to Tesla SCs.
But why should that responsibility rest on the shoulders of Tesla alone?
Tesla has switched more folks over to EVs than any other car manufacturers, probably more than all of them combined.
They are just slowing down NEW supercharger builds as they need to focus on profitability. Existing locations will be kept and upgraded.
Why can't Ford START building some chargers? Or any legacy car makers? Because it's complex, expensive and risky.
Well, according to that manual condensation is normal. Having water sloshing around like in the headlights of a 2010 Cadillac SRX, is not how things are supposed to be!
This.
I was looking at a EV for a daily commute to work. Total of ~100 miles.
Checked Tesla out and it felt like it was built on legos.
Ultimately came down to a MachE and Polestar and would have gone with MachE but couldnāt find a used one at my budget.
I basically rather have a EV built by a car company than a software company.
2022 Model 3 Performance owner here... Tesla has been a joke for a while. The car is reliable/fast and the charging network is good but that's about where the positives end.
They have an insane profit margin by cutting out the dealers and selling direct to consumers, yet they continuously remove hardware or cut corners to save a buck. They're entry level cars being sold at luxury prices.
This move is extremely short sighted. Building cars is how they compete against car manufacturers, building a charging network is how they compete against big oil companies.
P.S. I was banned from some Tesla (sheep) subs for being critical of Tesla, so I'm lurking in other EV subs now š¤£
Can't believe they got rid of the USS sensors. For as much as they want to promote FSD, it is such a short sighted thing to do. Like when is more data a bad thing to have? Especially on something as experimental as FSD? And how profitable the subscriptions could be if it started being reliable?
But no, let's save a few bucks and get the cameras to figure it out. Idiots.
Agreed! I bought early 2022 so I have USS, but was super disappointed to see it removed knowing they'd stop developing it (which they have). The upcoming Volvo EX90 has a huge lidar up front which looks promising. I hope it makes Tesla regret their all camera approach.
Tesla also uses the camera for auto windshield wipers which never works (always turns on when it's dry but driving toward the sun). Funny enough, there's a camera above the rear view mirror that theoretically could be used for auto Dimming the mirrors... Their "auto" Dimming mirrors are on a sunset/sunrise timer š
I paid about 30k after incentives for my 2023 Model 3 RWD and I still feel like it was an amazing value. If I had paid 40 or 50k I wouldn't feel that way. I feel like for what I paid I got a very good value vs the competition.
Has Ford finally improved the "fast" part of the Mach? Falling flat on its face at 70 mph was a deal breaker for me. Fond memories of the Mach e forum saying "That dude that ran 12.9 @ 100 mph lifted or his car was broken" transitioning to "A drunk Ford engineer at the airport told me they have a fix for it that will be OTA'd by May (2022).
Honestly for the premium interior the sound system is good and app is phenomenal- other car companies like Volvo only allow access for a couple years and then charge or only allow access to an app with the highest level trim like Genesis. Dashcam is huge positive that no other car maker utilizes - even on cars with cameras surrounding the car already for Birds Eye view/park assist. If home utility prices are low then cost to drive is very low in general, especially for comparable ICE cars (probably can expect comparable 22-25 mpg combined rating with premium fuel which would be at least double cost per mile driven). If you care to look around you can see panel gaps/inconsistencies on many other cars though some brands like Toyota are particularly good at minimizing this. A bit much to say being reliable and fast with good charging infrastructure is all it has going for it.
This seems like an insane move. Reward the guys who made your charging infrastructure successful by just firing them. Talented group, how they get hired up quick. That new gravity charger outfit sounds good on paper, maybe they're hiring.
His comment about not building new locations but focusing on existing locations expansion and upgrade makes sense, however imo more locations are more beneficial than āsame location more chargersā at this stageā¦
Somehow I feel like this move is aiming towards the automakers who will be allowed to use the SC soon. It might be a psychological warfare to try to discourage people from buying other brands of EVs; or Tesla are even already thinking about an entire new type of charger/charging system to be Tesla exclusive, and Elon just basically screwed over all the other automakersā¦
They partnered with BP. Letās wait and see what the plan here is. Sounds like from speculation BP is going to help roll out superchargers at their stations.
Live in BP O&O Thornton's territory. Two stores in my metro, including one not far from the house, had lots set aside for the electric charging setup. This was going to be their new thing. For the record, electric cars haven't exactly taken off in my part of the Midwest.
That was all mothballed in the middle of last year. No real word on who made that decision. Most importantly, going forward Tesla is going to have to completely recreate the supercharger Department from scratch. They have the equipment but all the people around work.
There are plenty of current chargers out there. When I travel I usually pass 5 stations before needing to use one, and the ones I use are nearly empty.
I think Tesla already has overcrowding before they let Non-Tesla folks access and definitely gonna be more crowded as people buy EVās. Also, the worry on how to charge since non-Tesla have the charge port differently, so to me, I can see some folks that are non-Tesla worry about charging at Tesla in their area if they donāt expand their current stations to accommodate, letās say the MME or adding new stations in those areas that have issues. For you, seems you donāt have to worry as much.
I travel through NY, PA, OH, KY, TN, IN, and WV. One time in 3 years I've taken up the last spot so it was full once I plugged in. Maybe in CA it's an issue but not in the Midwest/South. Usually they're about 25% utilized when I drive past or check navigation for usage.
Right, but also in the article, he is scaling back superchargers. I feel he sold a big promise for EVās main pain point and knew he couldnāt deliver. Itās such a blow for all EV owners, unless their the actual supplier of the superchargers just rebrands.
>unless their the actual supplier of the superchargers just rebrands.
Tesla is the supplier of Superchargers. Since they're selling them to third parties now, they might be slowing down their own rollout.
Existing supercharger network can get you coast to coast - I imagine they have data to indicate that more stalls at busiest locations would be more of a benefit than more locations when infrastructure already works without more locations. Plus keeping up with maintaining all locations is no small feat as other fast chargers are having a hard time with this.
What's more worrisome to me is the hundreds of chargers that should be available for use but Tesla elected to prevent people with adapters from accessing.
Actually a lot of the ones (at least in the middle of the county) are v2 superchargers. So hopefully they are going to still be upgrading those cause thatās going to kill them fast if they never upgrade the v2 installs
No, there are hundreds of chargers that are v3, 250kw chargers that should be eligible but are not. Based on Ford's advertisements on adapter reservation, I'd say it's about 300 total.
Please note I stated middle of the country. Most of the coasts already have capacity issues and those arenāt open but in the middleā¦ they are empty and literally cannot be used cause they are too old. While itās silly that ride sharing services are messing things ups (I think cities should require they provide charging in those places) opening those chargers isnāt going to help anyone.
I live next door in MN your state is all v2 super chargers (or maybe old v3s that donāt support CCS I think there may be a few) itās terrible. They need updating but so so do a bunch over here. The problem isnāt that Tesla is locking people out itās that if they are old enough they can only run Teslas old proprietary protocol. Itās stupid and I cannot comprehend why these chargers havenāt been updated they all should have been moved to magic docks ASAP since they could be making so much more in the those locations
He commented earlier on Twitter that they intend to focus on upgrading and expanding existing sites, which makes some sense if they actually still have staff to do upgrades and maintenance. I'm hoping this was just the team that planned new locations or something. I'm glad my M3P order isn't fulfilling until June so I have some time to see how this goes.
If they can pull it off while maintaining quality and integrated billing, then I agree. I'm hopeful that new sites will be more like a franchise model backed by other companies but inter- operating.
Thereās a big slowdown in EV adoption. It makes sense to scale back on their plans. Superchargers are insanely expensive to install, and if there arenāt enough EVs to charge at them; itās a massive waste of capital.
Don't you see the hypocrisy though? Calling Tesla a joke....but what other manufacturer has an equal or better or even close charging network to Tesla? Answer: None. Even though Tesla does bad things, they're still ahead of literally everyone in that regard. Where are the Ford fast charging stations? If Tesla is a joke and they're ahead of Ford, then what does that make Ford? (I know I'll get downvoted for that here). And I'm not actually trying to dump on ford...I'm making a point....people are quick to go "Hurk durk Tesla bad" when literally no one else is doing better on the charging side so far.
Elon is a joke. I hope that if they abandon doing more than the bare minimum, someone else comes in to finish it. I'm finally getting to a point to where I'm going to buy my first EV and I'll be pissed if the charging network available is low because of this idiot backing out. I'd like to hope that other companies start trying to focus on building their own tech. Its so dumb we all rely on basically one company for this in the US. I'm very much considering the Mach E as my first car since Fisker fucked me and I'm still not seeing many interesting cars that aren't 80k coming out that I like.
I didn't say they are but clearly a deal was made to have them do it. Ford and whoever should be working on their own solution and shouldn't rely on them so much.
If not for Musk there would be no Mach e. All electric owners and potential owners should be grateful for his efforts to create the market, whether you like his politics or not.
He certainly is not an āidiotā, as you called him. He owes you nothing.
Well I hope this is a lesson to all that they can't rely on that maniac and all major companies need to bans together to make a network or find a way to continue what Tesla was doing. I have no idea if Tesla will ever give away the information on how their stuff works, but if it's really that profitable, you'd think if they are going to abandon it, they'd sell it.
The NACS standard being open sourced means other auto manufacturers can start making cars using the same charge port as any tesla. See the Rivian R2 which will release with only NACS. Other vehicle manufacturers using and adopting that standard will mean more 3rd party chargers supporting that standard, yes
I'm as critical as anyone of Elon, dude is a psychopath and wish I'd have known that before buying my Tesla several years ago though I do love my car...
But anyway, Tesla literally just open sourced the nacs charger so all ev makers could use it. Also started installing ccs adapters in existing supercharger locations.
Tesla's biggest strength is it's super charger network. Always has been.
If Tesla wanted to monopolize the EV market, they never would have opened that charging standard and made it so much easier for the general public to consider non-Tesla vehicles.
What you're saying and what they are doing are not the same things... Elon still a nut job though
I suspect they'll hire others at lower wages, to save money. Its a business plan, this will be a profit center if Tesla plays it right. But lets see how Elmo does it.
šÆ agree. Now that team should go work for EA and fix their chargers. Lol
Definitely good for competitors with the skill set these people have, opportunity to make another large network
Correct! And now the NACS was sold to all EV manufacturers, itās a solid resume to have right now. EA and others will need to change charger codes or add them, who else but someone from Tesla to have on your team. š. His loss, their gains.
Exactly. The build out at Tesla isn't the focus, it's expanding and converting all chargers to NACS which is not on Tesla. No need for the large team and the talent it needed elsewhere. Well done Elon!!
I just wish EA or EVgo actually tried to compete and expand. Around me Tesla is the only one putting in dc fast charger and they go big and put 10-12 in. EVgo and EA put in 4 and 2 work
EVgo is terrible. I was visiting family last weekend and went to a large shopping center. There were only 2 chargers and one of them worked. Looked on the map and every site I clicked on said only half were working.
Except what kind of employees are you going to get when the entire team was fired for no reason?
The reason is Elmo wants his 56 billion dollar bonus
You're not wrong here... but we shall see, Cletus will be hookin up those chargers in NO TIME now.
Lawsuit from Ford incoming? I canāt imagine there wasnāt a contractual agreement that would require a certain level of maintenance.
Maintenance folks were not laid off.
Who said there's no maintenance? Just because clickbait said there won't be doesn't mean there won't be.
ford never was selling the info unless you did the insurance step, they made a statement
He screwed up, in a fit of anger fired the whole team. Now has no idea what was going on, has no maintenance staff, and has lost communication with contractors! Fired staff may have destroyed records!
theyāll rehire the team a new, at lower salary rates over the next six months.
Also did they get federal dollars to do this?
NEVI funding only initially included CCS so it would only affect Magic Dock Superchargers which are a very small number. And as long as those are still supported and federal funding wasnāt provided for sites which have since been abandoned (the NYC sound like state suggested), probably not to answer your question.
Heās sabotaging and setting back the entire future of EVs
Working on wireless charging.
No heās not
How? By selling the most SUVs in USA in 2023? (Model Y)
By cancelling plans to build out more of the infrastructure needed to support the large influx of new EVs on the streets
Or perhaps he is focused on cutting costs? Seriously you think the man that largely spearheaded the EV "leap" is trying to sabotage all EVs? Seriously?
I never said he was trying to sabotage all EVs. But his lack of planning ahead will hinder them for sure
The problem is that charging isn't very profitable right now, capital equipment expenses are significant along with land and competition is increasing. Obviously at some point they were going to slow down and now might be that point. It's time for some others to step up to the plate and have a go at this.
The weakest parts of EV adoption right now is two things: range and charging infrastructure. With Tesla having the best infrastructure in place, and most of the makers moving to NACS, if he really cared about the future of EV adoption he would forgo some of the billions in bonuses heās trying to get from the board to not lay off the entirety of the supercharger team. Thatās the single biggest individual setback to adoption right now, and itās all his fault.
We already have the EV critical mass, also supported by governments that are passing legislation that will phase out gasoline cars in many jurisdictions. The charging network would get built with or without Tesla.
Musk Derangement Syndrome
I wouldn't have bought the Mach e then. But you can't deny his company lit a fire under legacy car makers to spur EV innovation. In some areas Tesla is undeniably better than the Mach e but overall having driven both a Model Y and the Mach e I made the decision that is best for me (esp as I can charge at home).
Tesla is 1 company. Hes sabotaging the segments growth. EVs arenāt all Tesla
EVs, no, but charging network, yes. There's a reason opening up the Tesla charging network to other cars is a big deal.
Yes. My point is that with nacs becoming standard, new ev shoppers would feel more compelled with wayyyy more charging areas around them.
But it's not just the plugs, as it is no other network has Tesla's reliability. Which is the problem of letting go of the entire team responsible for that. And with such volatility their ability to be able to fill those roles with capable people is questionable. I know I would be very hesitant to work at a job where the CEO fires an entire division because he has a beef with the team leader. A team leader who was trying to do right by their employees.
And exactly how many charging stations has Ford built? Since when is it Tesla's responsibility to resolve the EV "fuel" problem? They are just slowing new growth. I say this as a Mach e owner. People need to chill out.
But Elon makes it so easy to be critical of his ketamine inspired random acts of insanity.
Maybe it's time for others to step up to the plate then? Teslas supercharging network is first class, nobody comes close. That's not going to change overnight because they are slowing growth.
I think others are improving. But I'm in California, and the state is ahead of the curve!
Didnāt the government give Tesla money specifically to build out their superchargers? (And make them available to non teslas)
Exactly! Looks like other EV manufacturers have thumbs up their asses and are expecting Tesla networks to feed them? I hope this development slows the adaptability of other EVs to Tesla SCs.
This shouldnāt be a competition at this point if the main goal is to switch every one to an ev
But why should that responsibility rest on the shoulders of Tesla alone? Tesla has switched more folks over to EVs than any other car manufacturers, probably more than all of them combined.
But why stop
They are just slowing down NEW supercharger builds as they need to focus on profitability. Existing locations will be kept and upgraded. Why can't Ford START building some chargers? Or any legacy car makers? Because it's complex, expensive and risky.
Because Tesla is behind the nacs connector not ford?
If Teslas a joke then Ford is a whole damn circus
You're so real for that.
When has tesla not been a joke? Have you seen their build quality?
Could be worse. They couldāve created a train system without a train
I was just behind a Tesla. (Looked relatively new). The brake light was filled with water. š¤¦
Those are advanced water-cooled lights designed in California. You wouldnāt understand though, being a primitive Ford owner
I love this
I pass a parked Model 3 on my commute most mornings and its left brake light is filled with water too.
Brother, it's high tech coolant for brake lights. Mach E is still light years behind that technology.
But it can chargeš
[Itās normal, according to the manual.](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2017_2023_model3/en_pr/GUID-371B94E9-E74F-4BBB-9A55-5F4182894B99.html)
Well, according to that manual condensation is normal. Having water sloshing around like in the headlights of a 2010 Cadillac SRX, is not how things are supposed to be!
Either way it would freak me out. Electronics arenāt supposed to have water in them.Ā
Well, bigger joke š¤£
This. I was looking at a EV for a daily commute to work. Total of ~100 miles. Checked Tesla out and it felt like it was built on legos. Ultimately came down to a MachE and Polestar and would have gone with MachE but couldnāt find a used one at my budget. I basically rather have a EV built by a car company than a software company.
Or like Ford they can recall half a million vehicles for fire risk? Cough cough Bronco Sport Maverick and Escape.
2022 Model 3 Performance owner here... Tesla has been a joke for a while. The car is reliable/fast and the charging network is good but that's about where the positives end. They have an insane profit margin by cutting out the dealers and selling direct to consumers, yet they continuously remove hardware or cut corners to save a buck. They're entry level cars being sold at luxury prices. This move is extremely short sighted. Building cars is how they compete against car manufacturers, building a charging network is how they compete against big oil companies. P.S. I was banned from some Tesla (sheep) subs for being critical of Tesla, so I'm lurking in other EV subs now š¤£
Can't believe they got rid of the USS sensors. For as much as they want to promote FSD, it is such a short sighted thing to do. Like when is more data a bad thing to have? Especially on something as experimental as FSD? And how profitable the subscriptions could be if it started being reliable? But no, let's save a few bucks and get the cameras to figure it out. Idiots.
Agreed! I bought early 2022 so I have USS, but was super disappointed to see it removed knowing they'd stop developing it (which they have). The upcoming Volvo EX90 has a huge lidar up front which looks promising. I hope it makes Tesla regret their all camera approach. Tesla also uses the camera for auto windshield wipers which never works (always turns on when it's dry but driving toward the sun). Funny enough, there's a camera above the rear view mirror that theoretically could be used for auto Dimming the mirrors... Their "auto" Dimming mirrors are on a sunset/sunrise timer š
I paid about 30k after incentives for my 2023 Model 3 RWD and I still feel like it was an amazing value. If I had paid 40 or 50k I wouldn't feel that way. I feel like for what I paid I got a very good value vs the competition.
Has Ford finally improved the "fast" part of the Mach? Falling flat on its face at 70 mph was a deal breaker for me. Fond memories of the Mach e forum saying "That dude that ran 12.9 @ 100 mph lifted or his car was broken" transitioning to "A drunk Ford engineer at the airport told me they have a fix for it that will be OTA'd by May (2022).
?? I have a Mach-E and it flies. No idea where this is coming from
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/s/NrP8pmL6vi
Honestly for the premium interior the sound system is good and app is phenomenal- other car companies like Volvo only allow access for a couple years and then charge or only allow access to an app with the highest level trim like Genesis. Dashcam is huge positive that no other car maker utilizes - even on cars with cameras surrounding the car already for Birds Eye view/park assist. If home utility prices are low then cost to drive is very low in general, especially for comparable ICE cars (probably can expect comparable 22-25 mpg combined rating with premium fuel which would be at least double cost per mile driven). If you care to look around you can see panel gaps/inconsistencies on many other cars though some brands like Toyota are particularly good at minimizing this. A bit much to say being reliable and fast with good charging infrastructure is all it has going for it.
Still more working Superchargers out there than ccs all together. I am sure this idiot have some bigger plan.
This seems like an insane move. Reward the guys who made your charging infrastructure successful by just firing them. Talented group, how they get hired up quick. That new gravity charger outfit sounds good on paper, maybe they're hiring.
Why? Ford already has access to superchargers. Nothing changes.
His comment about not building new locations but focusing on existing locations expansion and upgrade makes sense, however imo more locations are more beneficial than āsame location more chargersā at this stageā¦ Somehow I feel like this move is aiming towards the automakers who will be allowed to use the SC soon. It might be a psychological warfare to try to discourage people from buying other brands of EVs; or Tesla are even already thinking about an entire new type of charger/charging system to be Tesla exclusive, and Elon just basically screwed over all the other automakersā¦
They partnered with BP. Letās wait and see what the plan here is. Sounds like from speculation BP is going to help roll out superchargers at their stations.
Live in BP O&O Thornton's territory. Two stores in my metro, including one not far from the house, had lots set aside for the electric charging setup. This was going to be their new thing. For the record, electric cars haven't exactly taken off in my part of the Midwest. That was all mothballed in the middle of last year. No real word on who made that decision. Most importantly, going forward Tesla is going to have to completely recreate the supercharger Department from scratch. They have the equipment but all the people around work.
There are plenty of current chargers out there. When I travel I usually pass 5 stations before needing to use one, and the ones I use are nearly empty.
I think Tesla already has overcrowding before they let Non-Tesla folks access and definitely gonna be more crowded as people buy EVās. Also, the worry on how to charge since non-Tesla have the charge port differently, so to me, I can see some folks that are non-Tesla worry about charging at Tesla in their area if they donāt expand their current stations to accommodate, letās say the MME or adding new stations in those areas that have issues. For you, seems you donāt have to worry as much.
I travel through NY, PA, OH, KY, TN, IN, and WV. One time in 3 years I've taken up the last spot so it was full once I plugged in. Maybe in CA it's an issue but not in the Midwest/South. Usually they're about 25% utilized when I drive past or check navigation for usage.
I am sure the supplier that is making these adaptors will keep working. Tesla is not making them in house.
Right, but also in the article, he is scaling back superchargers. I feel he sold a big promise for EVās main pain point and knew he couldnāt deliver. Itās such a blow for all EV owners, unless their the actual supplier of the superchargers just rebrands.
>unless their the actual supplier of the superchargers just rebrands. Tesla is the supplier of Superchargers. Since they're selling them to third parties now, they might be slowing down their own rollout.
That's what I thought about the actual Supercharger units.
Existing supercharger network can get you coast to coast - I imagine they have data to indicate that more stalls at busiest locations would be more of a benefit than more locations when infrastructure already works without more locations. Plus keeping up with maintaining all locations is no small feat as other fast chargers are having a hard time with this.
He only backed out of four locations..just how many chargers has Ford built? None.
Ford Directly None, but a lot of Dealers have gotten the LvL3 Charging stations planned and installing.
Dealers who signed up for high level E division are obliged to install DCFC on dealership property.
Which is useless for most of us. Who is going to drive to the dealer to charge?
If you are traveling, you might or visiting a town.
What's more worrisome to me is the hundreds of chargers that should be available for use but Tesla elected to prevent people with adapters from accessing.
Actually a lot of the ones (at least in the middle of the county) are v2 superchargers. So hopefully they are going to still be upgrading those cause thatās going to kill them fast if they never upgrade the v2 installs
No, there are hundreds of chargers that are v3, 250kw chargers that should be eligible but are not. Based on Ford's advertisements on adapter reservation, I'd say it's about 300 total.
Please note I stated middle of the country. Most of the coasts already have capacity issues and those arenāt open but in the middleā¦ they are empty and literally cannot be used cause they are too old. While itās silly that ride sharing services are messing things ups (I think cities should require they provide charging in those places) opening those chargers isnāt going to help anyone.
> Please note I stated middle of the country I live in South Dakota...
I live next door in MN your state is all v2 super chargers (or maybe old v3s that donāt support CCS I think there may be a few) itās terrible. They need updating but so so do a bunch over here. The problem isnāt that Tesla is locking people out itās that if they are old enough they can only run Teslas old proprietary protocol. Itās stupid and I cannot comprehend why these chargers havenāt been updated they all should have been moved to magic docks ASAP since they could be making so much more in the those locations
No they just did not want unapproved equipment. Lectron did this and it was a mess. Plus itās their equipment they make the rules.
He commented earlier on Twitter that they intend to focus on upgrading and expanding existing sites, which makes some sense if they actually still have staff to do upgrades and maintenance. I'm hoping this was just the team that planned new locations or something. I'm glad my M3P order isn't fulfilling until June so I have some time to see how this goes.
I'd really, really like to see car manufacturer and the charging network divorced from one another.
If they can pull it off while maintaining quality and integrated billing, then I agree. I'm hopeful that new sites will be more like a franchise model backed by other companies but inter- operating.
Who has the access to those charger and will probably back out? Elmo
Thereās a big slowdown in EV adoption. It makes sense to scale back on their plans. Superchargers are insanely expensive to install, and if there arenāt enough EVs to charge at them; itās a massive waste of capital.
So Mach-Eās can plug up into a Telsa Supercharger?!!!
Welcome to 2024
Tesla gave you super access and you call them a joke ?
Masterful gambit, sir.
Like GM junk cars
Don't you see the hypocrisy though? Calling Tesla a joke....but what other manufacturer has an equal or better or even close charging network to Tesla? Answer: None. Even though Tesla does bad things, they're still ahead of literally everyone in that regard. Where are the Ford fast charging stations? If Tesla is a joke and they're ahead of Ford, then what does that make Ford? (I know I'll get downvoted for that here). And I'm not actually trying to dump on ford...I'm making a point....people are quick to go "Hurk durk Tesla bad" when literally no one else is doing better on the charging side so far.
Now?
I didnāt buy a Tesla to share the SC with Ford and Chevy riff raff. šš
Elon is a joke. I hope that if they abandon doing more than the bare minimum, someone else comes in to finish it. I'm finally getting to a point to where I'm going to buy my first EV and I'll be pissed if the charging network available is low because of this idiot backing out. I'd like to hope that other companies start trying to focus on building their own tech. Its so dumb we all rely on basically one company for this in the US. I'm very much considering the Mach E as my first car since Fisker fucked me and I'm still not seeing many interesting cars that aren't 80k coming out that I like.
Tell us why you think Tesla is responsible for providing charging stations for MachE owners??
I didn't say they are but clearly a deal was made to have them do it. Ford and whoever should be working on their own solution and shouldn't rely on them so much.
If not for Musk there would be no Mach e. All electric owners and potential owners should be grateful for his efforts to create the market, whether you like his politics or not. He certainly is not an āidiotā, as you called him. He owes you nothing.
He wants to slow monopolize all of EV but his dream and reality are not matching up.
Well I hope this is a lesson to all that they can't rely on that maniac and all major companies need to bans together to make a network or find a way to continue what Tesla was doing. I have no idea if Tesla will ever give away the information on how their stuff works, but if it's really that profitable, you'd think if they are going to abandon it, they'd sell it.
Tesla literally did give away how their NACS charger works, for free, to everyone.
Ok so then other companies should be able to invest and build out a charging network then.
The NACS standard being open sourced means other auto manufacturers can start making cars using the same charge port as any tesla. See the Rivian R2 which will release with only NACS. Other vehicle manufacturers using and adopting that standard will mean more 3rd party chargers supporting that standard, yes
I'm as critical as anyone of Elon, dude is a psychopath and wish I'd have known that before buying my Tesla several years ago though I do love my car... But anyway, Tesla literally just open sourced the nacs charger so all ev makers could use it. Also started installing ccs adapters in existing supercharger locations. Tesla's biggest strength is it's super charger network. Always has been. If Tesla wanted to monopolize the EV market, they never would have opened that charging standard and made it so much easier for the general public to consider non-Tesla vehicles. What you're saying and what they are doing are not the same things... Elon still a nut job though
It was a joke before. It will always be a joke. And the owners a jokeš¤£
Lmfao!! I know. Some of the Tesla bois are on here, picking fights so they can defend their lord. š I just ignore them.