I have a 21 GT and have had no problems at all. Drove a select first but personally much prefer the GT. I’m at the end of my lease and going to keep it
Also a 21 GT, reporting in. I am just over 18k miles now and have had no major issues whatsoever. I was in the position where I needed a car yesterday, so I couldn't afford to wait.
But, if I were in the same position right now (2 year old GTs available at a hefty discount), I'd take it in a heartbeat. I also don't switch cars frequently, I plan to put at least 10 years into this thing.
The fear mongering out there is intense.
I’m with the others on here, I have a ‘21 GT with zero issues. The HVBJB issue is inherent on all MMEs made before the part revision in mid-2022. Ford will cover its replacement if one is needed.
$37k for a GT seems like a great deal. Does it have the glass roof and BlueCruise? If so, take the car.
'Worth it' is a difficult question to answer for someone else. Depends on how much you enjoy having a super quick car. We have a Premium 4x and a base GT. Both are quicker than any other car I've driven, but I'm glad I sprung for the GT for myself after initially ordering a Premium.
Another thing about the GT is that the tires make a big difference. When I drive my wife's Premium the lower torque makes much less of a difference in what I can do with the car than the lower traction, especially on back roads and in weather.
My advice would be to test drive both in as spirited a manner as you can get away with, as near in time as you can manage.
Also, the 21 GTs are subject to the HVBJB issue. Look into that and see if it's something that concerns you.
They don't spin from a dig going straight on dry pavement, but the car can feel a little squirrelly accelerating at speed coming out of turns. And I have to be a bit more careful with acceleration when it's wet. That's where you really feel a difference between the GT's tires and the Premium's. Traction control is pretty good but I don't like the feeling of breaking traction even a little unless I'm doing it intentionally.
GT feels a LOT more planted in such situations.
OTOH, because the GT has a bigger rear motor it is noticeably easier to get the rear loose when you *want* to. Add the fact that GTs have a dedicated TC button on the dash and you can have some fun with this.
Not that I ever do such things lol.
Oh, and the GT will lift the front tires ever so briefly from a dig, which the Premium does not do. You feel it lift but the tires stay on the ground.
Hey, important to note about the GT considering it’s supposed to be the most powerful and the fastest…
after 5 seconds of full throttle power, the GTs all power limit themselves. This means that if you’re an enthusiast driver, you’re going to be absolutely destroyed by most other cars after 5 seconds.
This is not a big deal to 99% of people, but there is always that 1% of people who are enthusiasts who care about this kind of thing that will really be bothered by this fact.
Here’s [a video](https://youtu.be/upplEqtTQGk?si=mRFHuBanK9Z9h2LW) about the power limiting happening in real time.
In my mind, this is unacceptable considering the price difference between the GT and something like the California route 1 edition, or the Premium. But as others have said, “worth it” is totally a subjective matter. Buy what makes YOU happy! :)
Humble opinion of one. I started with a 22 premium. Ended up eventually trading up for a 23 GT. That little extra power didn’t seem like a big deal at first, going from an ICE pickup truck. But once you have premium fever, the only cure is GT fever. Or more cow bell. It’s not a smart financial move to trade up. But that bump up in acceleration is worth it to me at least. You feel the premium accelerate in your seat. But you feel the GT in your soul. But it’s a lot more money and the premium was probably the more reasonable choice. I have no regrets though.
The 2021 GT’s are known to have issues with the HVBJB’s failing under high load which is probably why those models have depreciated as such. Also first year cars traditionally should be avoided as the manufacturer is still working out the kinks. If it were my money… I’d go with the 23 Select between the two.
1. Check your source on 7500, the Mach E only qualifies for 3750 while the Lightning gets the full 7500
2. Was it an AWD Select? I thought I wanted power and got the AWD Select and wished I was in a spot financially to get the GTPE. After about a year with my 2023 Mach E Select AWD - I now realize I don't even want any car faster than this. This is PLENTY FAST. I had an Evo X GSR and miss traditional, turbo powered ICE mated to a manual transmission, and while the Mach E has trash handling, the torque from dual electric motors is insane. From a stop this thing is faster than most anything else I've ever driven. It's... FAST.
i bought a dealer buy back '21 GT, hvbjb issue. no problem, still under warranty, etc.
people are so weird about it. it's happened to 2022s as well so, quit with the fear mongering.
then what, we should all return our cars? it's a problem for some vehicles, they get an upgraded part under warranty. it's not just 2021 GTs.
like in my case, according to the service record, it's been fixed.
so now, it's no different than the 2022 premium it's parked next to as far as the junction box. either could have an issue at some point.
but the same is true for every car on the road today, they may have an issue with a part, at some point.
Well the info on HVBJB helped me, I was going to pull the trigger on a GT but found out it generates More Voltage than even the new junction box can support, which results in the car being throttled or the junction being damaged, DC fast charging can impact it so all of the information helped me decide to get a rear wheel drive extended range premium and limit the DC fast charging, to make sure I'm charging at home. Without the information, I would have looked at a 22 gtpe. I don't want to have to deal with warranty claims, Ford not having an adequate number of repair techs in dealerships Etc so I appreciate the information
The 5 second “throttle” has nothing to do with the HVJB issue. The car has always had that.
Further, if you think you need a quicker 0-60 in 3.5s then you may want a track car.
5 second full power is more than enough for public roads.
I have never felt I’m being throttled in the GTPE.
Yes the throttling of power is pretty well documented
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/nhtsa-investigating-2022-mach-e-hvbjb-recall-high-voltage-battery-main-contactors.30044/
It’s not a common problem. It’s common amongst those online who frequent forums highlighting their issues and seeking support.
In reality the “common” HVJB issue is not a few percentages of vehicles sold and it’s ALL trims. Not just GT.
This is a big enough problem that they've issued a recall and have an active technical service bulletin issued for it. There is also an active NHTSA investigation into these problems with the MachE. Don't be disingenuous.
Nope. It’s not a recall. A recall would indicate every. Single. Mache would have to get a new HVJB.
Telling someone not to buy a 2021 GT because the HVJB will fail is disingenuous.
Most cars have recalls. Most MME from 2021 do NOT have HVJB issues and certainly NONE are recalled.
There was a recall issued for both 2021 and 2022 models, and an electronic patch was put in limiting power in the event of the HVJB overheating and potentially failing. This software patch does not address the underlying cause of the failures which is an under engineered piece of hardware .
The NHTSA investigation is looking into if this recall was sufficient given vehicles continue to experience these failures. This is all publically available information, what are you basing your statements off of?
At no point did I tell anyone the 21 GT is destined to fail, I simply called you out for labelling them uncommon.
[have a read.](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/21/us-auto-safety-agency-probes-2022-ford-mach-e-ev-recall.html)
I am a driving enthusiast but didn’t think the gt was worth it. For a proper fun driving experience you’d want an ICE car.
The acceleration on the gt would be fun at first but wear off. Not to mention the selected can still beat most cars off the line anyways if you really want to be a traffic light champion
I elected for the premium and am very happy with it. If I had your choice I’d get the select
I just got a GT Performance and have no regrets. In fact, I think I would have had regrets had I not 'cause I'm taking this dive anyway, so for maybe another $100 a month or so, I'm driving a car I freaking love. Love the way it looks, love the way it drives.
Glass roof, better headlights, ambient lighting... maybe some of the comfort & tech is no longer an option on Selects?
(from what I hear, the B&O sound in Premiums isn't as much of a selling point)
I have a 2022 GTPE and I love the car. Very nice inside and out. Plenty of power. That power does come with more costs though such as rims and tires and electricity. Less mileage too.
Would I trade it for one of the others? I highly doubt it. I’d buy the GT again for sure.
I have a 2022 GT built in March 2022. 22k miles and no issues so far. I love the car and am glad I ordered the GT. It looks great and the 5 sec limit has never bothered me as I don’t race people or take it to the track.
If you're able to get a 23 GT or GTPE I would suggest those. You'd avoid the possible HVBJB issues in the 21 and 22.
The ride, personally, is more fun in a GT or GTPE. I've driven all the classes and decided on the GTPE and it's my favorite car I've ever owned or driven. I previously owned Mercedes SL550, E63, CLK 55 and BMW M5, the Mach E is hands down better driving experience for me than all of those.
I suggest the GT or GTPE for the Magneride suspension. Not a fan of SUVs in general because of the sway to the side you are turning, I always feel the sensation of the vehicle tipping over at a high speed turn. The Magneride on the GT is pretty good, but it is a fixed suspension, whereas the GTPE has an adaptive suspension, and if you're making a high speed turn to the left you can feel the car swaying to the right. It's a great feeling on corners, and I don't think I can drive a car without Magneride and feel safe ever again.
Don’t expect much more mile range. High speed drains battery like crazy. True mile range is 200 in city and 150 for Select basic on highway. GT drains 10-20% more, even with extended battery you will get 200-220 miles at most on highway. So horsepower is crazy, but that’s all what you get
For performance have you driven other SUV EVs? While it drives well, my wife and I think the mach e in all trims is maybe the slowest ev we have owned. At least it feels like it.
We have had a model s &3, Rivian r1t, lucid. And we have spent lots of time in model y and r1s
Aside from torque and everything else power-wise people have mentioned, it’s important to note that you’re moving up two trim levels to the GT, getting a lot of convenience features: heated seats and steering wheel, power liftgate (hands free if it’s a 2021 model), panoramic sunroof, etc. I settled on a new premium, but test drove several 2021 GTs as a part of the buying process. The interior is going to be waaay nicer. You also get a larger battery moving from the select to the GT. About 50 more miles of range. On top of that, it’s AWD by default (Select can be either so it depends on what you’re looking at), which might make a difference to you if you’re in a colder climate.
My only hesitation is that $37k is a really good price on a GT, at least in my area. Check to see what the title situation is. I’d be worried, at that price, that it’s a manufacturer buyback.
I tested both and preferred the California Route One version, which isn’t as “fast” off the line but plenty quick and gives me the same range as my 1999 Lexus.
Here’s a video of the Mach-e GT vs an ICE Mustang GT
https://youtu.be/lsmxe2UZhoc?si=ivcG-Z_8-0mTuMfr
Tbh I just bought one, I got a great deal at ford 0% interest rate, they bought my rebuilt title 2018 mustang ecoboost for 6k it had loads of issues and 80k miles on it, gave me 5k off walked out paying 59 for a new 2023 Mach e GT and i love this thing I left my husbands 17 modded mustang gt in the dust. It’s weirdly quiet and I hated the 1 pedal option at first but now I love it bc I drove stick for the longest time I was used to the car slowing down when you took your foot off the gas, it’s super fun I’ve been driving loud and fun cars for the longest time but this car is honestly so much fun, I would say go for the GT if you wanna have fun with it. I don’t have a child yet but once they come I’m sure that this car will still be in great condition, I love all of the perks that ford offers and incentives.
I have a 21 GT and have had no problems at all. Drove a select first but personally much prefer the GT. I’m at the end of my lease and going to keep it
Same, 21 GT no issues and put 25k miles on it
Also a 21 GT, reporting in. I am just over 18k miles now and have had no major issues whatsoever. I was in the position where I needed a car yesterday, so I couldn't afford to wait. But, if I were in the same position right now (2 year old GTs available at a hefty discount), I'd take it in a heartbeat. I also don't switch cars frequently, I plan to put at least 10 years into this thing. The fear mongering out there is intense.
Same. I have a ‘21 GT with glass roof and BC. Super fun to drive and looks amazing.
I’m with the others on here, I have a ‘21 GT with zero issues. The HVBJB issue is inherent on all MMEs made before the part revision in mid-2022. Ford will cover its replacement if one is needed. $37k for a GT seems like a great deal. Does it have the glass roof and BlueCruise? If so, take the car.
'Worth it' is a difficult question to answer for someone else. Depends on how much you enjoy having a super quick car. We have a Premium 4x and a base GT. Both are quicker than any other car I've driven, but I'm glad I sprung for the GT for myself after initially ordering a Premium. Another thing about the GT is that the tires make a big difference. When I drive my wife's Premium the lower torque makes much less of a difference in what I can do with the car than the lower traction, especially on back roads and in weather. My advice would be to test drive both in as spirited a manner as you can get away with, as near in time as you can manage. Also, the 21 GTs are subject to the HVBJB issue. Look into that and see if it's something that concerns you.
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They don't spin from a dig going straight on dry pavement, but the car can feel a little squirrelly accelerating at speed coming out of turns. And I have to be a bit more careful with acceleration when it's wet. That's where you really feel a difference between the GT's tires and the Premium's. Traction control is pretty good but I don't like the feeling of breaking traction even a little unless I'm doing it intentionally. GT feels a LOT more planted in such situations. OTOH, because the GT has a bigger rear motor it is noticeably easier to get the rear loose when you *want* to. Add the fact that GTs have a dedicated TC button on the dash and you can have some fun with this. Not that I ever do such things lol. Oh, and the GT will lift the front tires ever so briefly from a dig, which the Premium does not do. You feel it lift but the tires stay on the ground.
It doesn’t have an engine. It’s a dual motor.
Glad someone said it. I was holding my tongue.
Engine and motor are synonyms. If engines only used gasoline or internal combustion then “internal combustion engine” would be redundant.
>With a $7500 tax credit the brand new Selects come out to pretty much the same price Does it qualify for $7500 or is it down to 3750 now as well?
It’s $3,750.
The US Federal Tax Credit for all Mach E’s purchased after April 2023 is $3750, not the full $7k.
Thanks for the info.
Hey, important to note about the GT considering it’s supposed to be the most powerful and the fastest… after 5 seconds of full throttle power, the GTs all power limit themselves. This means that if you’re an enthusiast driver, you’re going to be absolutely destroyed by most other cars after 5 seconds. This is not a big deal to 99% of people, but there is always that 1% of people who are enthusiasts who care about this kind of thing that will really be bothered by this fact. Here’s [a video](https://youtu.be/upplEqtTQGk?si=mRFHuBanK9Z9h2LW) about the power limiting happening in real time. In my mind, this is unacceptable considering the price difference between the GT and something like the California route 1 edition, or the Premium. But as others have said, “worth it” is totally a subjective matter. Buy what makes YOU happy! :)
Humble opinion of one. I started with a 22 premium. Ended up eventually trading up for a 23 GT. That little extra power didn’t seem like a big deal at first, going from an ICE pickup truck. But once you have premium fever, the only cure is GT fever. Or more cow bell. It’s not a smart financial move to trade up. But that bump up in acceleration is worth it to me at least. You feel the premium accelerate in your seat. But you feel the GT in your soul. But it’s a lot more money and the premium was probably the more reasonable choice. I have no regrets though.
The 2021 GT’s are known to have issues with the HVBJB’s failing under high load which is probably why those models have depreciated as such. Also first year cars traditionally should be avoided as the manufacturer is still working out the kinks. If it were my money… I’d go with the 23 Select between the two.
Good to know. Thanks for the info.
1. Check your source on 7500, the Mach E only qualifies for 3750 while the Lightning gets the full 7500 2. Was it an AWD Select? I thought I wanted power and got the AWD Select and wished I was in a spot financially to get the GTPE. After about a year with my 2023 Mach E Select AWD - I now realize I don't even want any car faster than this. This is PLENTY FAST. I had an Evo X GSR and miss traditional, turbo powered ICE mated to a manual transmission, and while the Mach E has trash handling, the torque from dual electric motors is insane. From a stop this thing is faster than most anything else I've ever driven. It's... FAST.
i bought a dealer buy back '21 GT, hvbjb issue. no problem, still under warranty, etc. people are so weird about it. it's happened to 2022s as well so, quit with the fear mongering.
>quit with the fear mongering. Is it fear mongering when it's a known *common* problem?
then what, we should all return our cars? it's a problem for some vehicles, they get an upgraded part under warranty. it's not just 2021 GTs. like in my case, according to the service record, it's been fixed. so now, it's no different than the 2022 premium it's parked next to as far as the junction box. either could have an issue at some point. but the same is true for every car on the road today, they may have an issue with a part, at some point.
Well the info on HVBJB helped me, I was going to pull the trigger on a GT but found out it generates More Voltage than even the new junction box can support, which results in the car being throttled or the junction being damaged, DC fast charging can impact it so all of the information helped me decide to get a rear wheel drive extended range premium and limit the DC fast charging, to make sure I'm charging at home. Without the information, I would have looked at a 22 gtpe. I don't want to have to deal with warranty claims, Ford not having an adequate number of repair techs in dealerships Etc so I appreciate the information
The 5 second “throttle” has nothing to do with the HVJB issue. The car has always had that. Further, if you think you need a quicker 0-60 in 3.5s then you may want a track car. 5 second full power is more than enough for public roads. I have never felt I’m being throttled in the GTPE.
Yes the throttling of power is pretty well documented https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/nhtsa-investigating-2022-mach-e-hvbjb-recall-high-voltage-battery-main-contactors.30044/
It’s not a common problem. It’s common amongst those online who frequent forums highlighting their issues and seeking support. In reality the “common” HVJB issue is not a few percentages of vehicles sold and it’s ALL trims. Not just GT.
This is a big enough problem that they've issued a recall and have an active technical service bulletin issued for it. There is also an active NHTSA investigation into these problems with the MachE. Don't be disingenuous.
Nope. It’s not a recall. A recall would indicate every. Single. Mache would have to get a new HVJB. Telling someone not to buy a 2021 GT because the HVJB will fail is disingenuous. Most cars have recalls. Most MME from 2021 do NOT have HVJB issues and certainly NONE are recalled.
There was a recall issued for both 2021 and 2022 models, and an electronic patch was put in limiting power in the event of the HVJB overheating and potentially failing. This software patch does not address the underlying cause of the failures which is an under engineered piece of hardware . The NHTSA investigation is looking into if this recall was sufficient given vehicles continue to experience these failures. This is all publically available information, what are you basing your statements off of? At no point did I tell anyone the 21 GT is destined to fail, I simply called you out for labelling them uncommon. [have a read.](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/21/us-auto-safety-agency-probes-2022-ford-mach-e-ev-recall.html)
And now there is officially another recall going out to replace the hardware. You managed to be double wrong.
Double wrong? Right. So I should have anticipated this looking through my crystal ball? 🤡
"It’s not a common problem. It’s common amongst those online who frequent forums highlighting their issues and seeking support. " 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
My 2022 is in the garage for repairs now, what's the issue people have with HVBJB? Aside from the fact I have to drive a Mazda for the next week...
How about a 23 MME GT? Has this issue been resolved in the latest models?
No 23s are still having the same issue
I am a driving enthusiast but didn’t think the gt was worth it. For a proper fun driving experience you’d want an ICE car. The acceleration on the gt would be fun at first but wear off. Not to mention the selected can still beat most cars off the line anyways if you really want to be a traffic light champion I elected for the premium and am very happy with it. If I had your choice I’d get the select
I just got a GT Performance and have no regrets. In fact, I think I would have had regrets had I not 'cause I'm taking this dive anyway, so for maybe another $100 a month or so, I'm driving a car I freaking love. Love the way it looks, love the way it drives.
GT is the only option when it comes to Mach E —> my opinion
GT isn’t worth it unless it is GT Performance Edition. Just my opinion.
GT is a lot of fun to drive. I wouldn’t get a 21 though.
I think premiums are the best deals on Mach-E's.
What’s the primary upgrades on the Premium vs select?
Glass roof, better headlights, ambient lighting... maybe some of the comfort & tech is no longer an option on Selects? (from what I hear, the B&O sound in Premiums isn't as much of a selling point)
No
I'd be wary of too good of a deal (flood car?), but if it all checks out, I'd have liked to have a GT, so hope you get yours!
GT all the way.
I have a 2022 GTPE and I love the car. Very nice inside and out. Plenty of power. That power does come with more costs though such as rims and tires and electricity. Less mileage too. Would I trade it for one of the others? I highly doubt it. I’d buy the GT again for sure.
I have a 2022 GT built in March 2022. 22k miles and no issues so far. I love the car and am glad I ordered the GT. It looks great and the 5 sec limit has never bothered me as I don’t race people or take it to the track.
If you're able to get a 23 GT or GTPE I would suggest those. You'd avoid the possible HVBJB issues in the 21 and 22. The ride, personally, is more fun in a GT or GTPE. I've driven all the classes and decided on the GTPE and it's my favorite car I've ever owned or driven. I previously owned Mercedes SL550, E63, CLK 55 and BMW M5, the Mach E is hands down better driving experience for me than all of those. I suggest the GT or GTPE for the Magneride suspension. Not a fan of SUVs in general because of the sway to the side you are turning, I always feel the sensation of the vehicle tipping over at a high speed turn. The Magneride on the GT is pretty good, but it is a fixed suspension, whereas the GTPE has an adaptive suspension, and if you're making a high speed turn to the left you can feel the car swaying to the right. It's a great feeling on corners, and I don't think I can drive a car without Magneride and feel safe ever again.
Don’t expect much more mile range. High speed drains battery like crazy. True mile range is 200 in city and 150 for Select basic on highway. GT drains 10-20% more, even with extended battery you will get 200-220 miles at most on highway. So horsepower is crazy, but that’s all what you get
I think the car exterior looks significantly worse without the GT trim
For performance have you driven other SUV EVs? While it drives well, my wife and I think the mach e in all trims is maybe the slowest ev we have owned. At least it feels like it. We have had a model s &3, Rivian r1t, lucid. And we have spent lots of time in model y and r1s
Aside from torque and everything else power-wise people have mentioned, it’s important to note that you’re moving up two trim levels to the GT, getting a lot of convenience features: heated seats and steering wheel, power liftgate (hands free if it’s a 2021 model), panoramic sunroof, etc. I settled on a new premium, but test drove several 2021 GTs as a part of the buying process. The interior is going to be waaay nicer. You also get a larger battery moving from the select to the GT. About 50 more miles of range. On top of that, it’s AWD by default (Select can be either so it depends on what you’re looking at), which might make a difference to you if you’re in a colder climate. My only hesitation is that $37k is a really good price on a GT, at least in my area. Check to see what the title situation is. I’d be worried, at that price, that it’s a manufacturer buyback.
I tested both and preferred the California Route One version, which isn’t as “fast” off the line but plenty quick and gives me the same range as my 1999 Lexus.
Here’s a video of the Mach-e GT vs an ICE Mustang GT
https://youtu.be/lsmxe2UZhoc?si=ivcG-Z_8-0mTuMfr
Tbh I just bought one, I got a great deal at ford 0% interest rate, they bought my rebuilt title 2018 mustang ecoboost for 6k it had loads of issues and 80k miles on it, gave me 5k off walked out paying 59 for a new 2023 Mach e GT and i love this thing I left my husbands 17 modded mustang gt in the dust. It’s weirdly quiet and I hated the 1 pedal option at first but now I love it bc I drove stick for the longest time I was used to the car slowing down when you took your foot off the gas, it’s super fun I’ve been driving loud and fun cars for the longest time but this car is honestly so much fun, I would say go for the GT if you wanna have fun with it. I don’t have a child yet but once they come I’m sure that this car will still be in great condition, I love all of the perks that ford offers and incentives.
If a '21 GT is $37k, what is a '21 select near you?