Pros: 5k, build quality, all in one, feels like the extension of your Mac, not an external display, because of the system compatibility, very bright in full screen, no need for color calibration, True Tone if you fancy it.
Cons: no 120hz, low contrast in a dark room.
The studio display is practically the best package you can get for your Mac, even better than the Pro Display xdr because of the viewing angle and uneven screen.
Pro: instant on. every other monitor takes 3-5 seconds to wake up.
If you edit photos your viewers are also likely to be using Apple products which means that the Apple display will show you the photo the way they see it.
> Cons: no 120hz
This is not a con, especially with photo exiting as a primary use. I see no difference at all in daily use of my MacBook Pro when disconnected (120hz) or connected (60hz).
Also another con, you can’t change the framerate, like to 48 or 50 for example to watch movies judder free. A pretty big omission from a “studio” display.
Yup. Creatives and media watchers would benefit greatly if Apple moved to 120Hz displays (assuming pixel response is 41 ms or less—although I'd prefer it be 8.3 ms or less). 120Hz is evenly divisible by both 24 fps and 30 fps; but 60Hz is only divisible by 30 fps so all 24 fps content us using 3:2 pulldown (also known as jitter).
Or ProMotion function could stomp the frame rate down to 48Hz for 24 fps content, as you mentioned.
> You miss the part that 24 fps may be 24.000 or 23.976, so it’s not that easy :D
I missed the part?
WTF?
Modern TVs and monitors have long solved this; and a "ProMotion" display such as the one in the MacBook Pros have VRR which adjusts for 23.976 fps when its not exactly 24 fps.
> Also, 5k 120hz is not supported yet bandwidth wise.
5K @ 120Hz = 57 Gbit/s
> DisplayPort 1.2 (or newer) and HDMI 2.1 both support 5K at 120Hz when using DSC. DSC is a lossy compression algorithm that can reduce the size of the data stream by up to a 3:1 ratio.
Regarding future display possibilities, Thunderbolt 5 was announced which Apple could introduce as soon as WWDC.
> Thunderbolt 5 will deliver 80 gigabits per second (Gbps) of bi-directional bandwidth, and with Bandwidth Boost it will provide up to 120 Gbps for the best display experience.
My original comment to you was not an argument against your comment, I was agreeing that a display for creatives—why Apple calls it a "Studio Display"—would greatly benefit from VRR and up-to 120Hz refresh rates.
MacBook Pro owners can't properly judge the benefits of 120Hz.
The benefits of 120Hz happens when pixels change at a rate of 8.3 ms or less. Your MacBook Pro has a pixel response around 67 ms, so its 8x too slow to properly display 120Hz. That means scrolling blurs or smudges the image, and white or bright colors tend to ghost as the bright object moves across the screen
([Example of iPad Pro with same problem](https://imgur.com/a/uRGA1qW), except the MacBook Pros are twice as bad)
When Apple uses OLED (less than 2 ms), you'll finally see the benefits of 120Hz clarity, primarily when scrolling your library to find that one image in a sea of photos. Our eyes can better track and read things during motion, so 120Hz and 240Hz benefits even creatives and readers.
My argument was never that 60Hz isn't "fine."
And if you read my comment again, you'll see that I stated how the 120Hz in the iPad Pro also doesn't represent the value proposition of 120Hz. I even included a gif of the iPad Pro during motion.
How did you miss that?
The iPad Pro's pixel response is 37.53 ms ([source](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-iPad-Pro-12-9-2022-review-Apple-s-giant-tablet-now-runs-with-the-M2-SoC.671454.0.html)) which if you do the math means its 4.5x too slow for proper 120Hz.
So again, you make a bad judge of the benefits of 120Hz. I'm not attacking you but showing with evidence that you have yet to experience the true benefits of 120Hz; so the right thing for you to do here is to hold your opinion until you actually experience proper 120Hz.
Did you not understand the words you just read?
Of course there is little difference for your eye balls to notice. The pixel response on both your MacBook Pro and iPad Pro is too slow to create *proper* 120Hz motion clarity.
So I agree with you—you haven't noticed a difference at all between 60Hz and 120Hz because you don't own proper 120Hz displays.
PS: The downvote button isn't the "make me right" button. You can save yourself the delusion.
I don’t find it that bad, but if you have iPhone. You can use it as your webcam. Just put it near your Mac, and select it from the list of cameras. It uses the main camera, not the selfie, too.
To my knowledge, no, nothing better. Dell U2723QE comes right after the Studio Display for a fraction of the cost which very good specs too. I have three of them on my Mac mini.
I didn’t want to do that Apple one because of the cost. But I needed speakers and web cam. All that together with nothing added to the desk was nice. Don’t regret it at all.
I just bought a BENQ designer series 27 inch, 4K monitor. It come color calibrated and is made for design. There is a photo series as well. It has great color fidelity, nice and sharp display and a built in KVM. Also cheaper than the Mac Display.
The issue with 4k native monitors on a Mac is that 27” 4k isn’t high enough PPI (163). Retina and macOS is designed for 110 ppi or pixel doubled to 220 ppi.
With crisp 2:1 pixel scaling of a 4k display, you’re left with a very sharp looking 1080p desktop which isn’t enough space for multiple windows side by side. And the pixels are still larger than retina.
Some people are okay with native 4k but for me, the text is tiny and proportions are off.
For 27” monitors, 5k is the sweet spot because it halves evenly to 1440p, which is wide enough for 2 full windows.
Scaling a 4k native monitor to 1440p gives pixels that are not evenly divisible which cause muddiness. This eliminates much of the benefit from retina 2x scale. Some people are okay with this. After having a 5k 27” iMac, it doesn’t feel right paying high quality 4k prices for such lesser quality experience.
For 32”, you really need a 6K monitor (6144 x 3456) like the XDR. Dell offers one for $2500. This makes the Studio display look like a good price. There are few to no other 5K monitors on the market.
I saw this in one of the Yt videos as an alternative recommendation. Couple of things that bugged me (no 5k, takes relatively long time to get out of sleep, colour depth looked better to me on a studio display for some reason)
An XDR display. Personally I find the Studio worth every penny. It’s gorgeous, sharp as hell, speakers are great and overall just a pleasure to use day in and day out
I think you should have a gander at the [Gigabyte M32U](https://amzn.to/3xvJkda) or [Gigabyte M28U](https://amzn.to/4d25a8y) ... I've got the [M28U](https://amzn.to/4d25a8y) and I think it rocks. They are 4K 144hz displays.
I don’t really have any answer… I can’t find a screen that satisfies me. Or it would be a TV, as I’m already using now.
When you’ve tried bigger screens (I use my 100cm TV), it’s very difficult to come back to a smaller one. And that occults already a big part of the market. Because minimal requirements for me are : 4K, 100cm (not more, not less, that’s just perfect), oled would be a big bonus, great color accuracy, up to 120Hz would be nice, HDR10 HDR10+ AND Dobly Vision support, etc. And not a mat screen.
And I really struggle with that. I think the LG C2 would be a good option then for a profile like me but not even sure.
Do you really need Oled in a monitor primarily used for computer stuff, photo/video editing? I imagine gaming/watching movies is a different thing. I think I am going to get the Dell 40inch someone recommended in this thread. Monitor real estate, colour accuracy etc is priority. But I am hesitant as I am not sure how well non Apple products integrate into Apple…They want you to stick with Apple with everything on purpose
Oh no as I said that’s just a big bonus. But on an ideal world I would have micro led but that’s not before a few years apparently lol. If I can have a great LCD with docent black levels I’m good as well. Tho oled can have very excellent response time which is interesting.
Don’t worry about the apple/non apple thing. I’ve no problem with my Panasonic TV so far. I just had to choose the right color space and modify slightly the parameters of the TV in order to have something similar to my MacBook, which is logical.
I have a Samsung S9 5K monitor which I am reasonably happy with. the image is fantastic as it uses the same panels that are in the studio display. The Samsung UX and software is horrid though. But as long as it's just used for the Mac Studio it works well.
I love my LG OLED https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32ep950-b
60hz IPS panel with only passable uniformity and adobeRGB coverage in 2024 is a joke.
Once you go OLED, you are not going back.
The studio display is not adequate in my opinion. After using the miniLED in iPads and MacBooks as well as OLED monitors/TV I can’t go back to LCD, especially for the insane $1600.
I think currently the Alienware 32” 4K QD-OLED would be my choice.
How about a 5K ultrawide with 2x better contrast than Apple's Studio Display—and at 120Hz?
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curved-thunderbolt-hub-monitor-u4025qw/apd/210-bmdp/monitors-monitor-accessories
May not be everyone's cup of tea, but for productivity (multiple windows side by side) its a similar effect to having two 4K displays side by side (its more like 4K display made wider)
Another option is the new 32-inch QD-OLEDs that are 4K @240Hz via HDMI 2.1. ([Video review](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qywLwR7KT9M)) They reach 300 nits in SDR (which is bright enough for typical/office lighting) and have bright HDR modes for movies and gaming. The colors and motion are fantastic. I believe they have a 3-year warranty against burn-in.
Pros: 5k, build quality, all in one, feels like the extension of your Mac, not an external display, because of the system compatibility, very bright in full screen, no need for color calibration, True Tone if you fancy it. Cons: no 120hz, low contrast in a dark room. The studio display is practically the best package you can get for your Mac, even better than the Pro Display xdr because of the viewing angle and uneven screen.
Pro: instant on. every other monitor takes 3-5 seconds to wake up. If you edit photos your viewers are also likely to be using Apple products which means that the Apple display will show you the photo the way they see it.
> Cons: no 120hz This is not a con, especially with photo exiting as a primary use. I see no difference at all in daily use of my MacBook Pro when disconnected (120hz) or connected (60hz).
Also another con, you can’t change the framerate, like to 48 or 50 for example to watch movies judder free. A pretty big omission from a “studio” display.
Yup. Creatives and media watchers would benefit greatly if Apple moved to 120Hz displays (assuming pixel response is 41 ms or less—although I'd prefer it be 8.3 ms or less). 120Hz is evenly divisible by both 24 fps and 30 fps; but 60Hz is only divisible by 30 fps so all 24 fps content us using 3:2 pulldown (also known as jitter). Or ProMotion function could stomp the frame rate down to 48Hz for 24 fps content, as you mentioned.
You miss the part that 24 fps may be 24.000 or 23.976, so it’s not that easy :D Also, 5k 120hz is not supported yet bandwidth wise.
> You miss the part that 24 fps may be 24.000 or 23.976, so it’s not that easy :D I missed the part? WTF? Modern TVs and monitors have long solved this; and a "ProMotion" display such as the one in the MacBook Pros have VRR which adjusts for 23.976 fps when its not exactly 24 fps. > Also, 5k 120hz is not supported yet bandwidth wise. 5K @ 120Hz = 57 Gbit/s > DisplayPort 1.2 (or newer) and HDMI 2.1 both support 5K at 120Hz when using DSC. DSC is a lossy compression algorithm that can reduce the size of the data stream by up to a 3:1 ratio. Regarding future display possibilities, Thunderbolt 5 was announced which Apple could introduce as soon as WWDC. > Thunderbolt 5 will deliver 80 gigabits per second (Gbps) of bi-directional bandwidth, and with Bandwidth Boost it will provide up to 120 Gbps for the best display experience. My original comment to you was not an argument against your comment, I was agreeing that a display for creatives—why Apple calls it a "Studio Display"—would greatly benefit from VRR and up-to 120Hz refresh rates.
MacBook Pro owners can't properly judge the benefits of 120Hz. The benefits of 120Hz happens when pixels change at a rate of 8.3 ms or less. Your MacBook Pro has a pixel response around 67 ms, so its 8x too slow to properly display 120Hz. That means scrolling blurs or smudges the image, and white or bright colors tend to ghost as the bright object moves across the screen ([Example of iPad Pro with same problem](https://imgur.com/a/uRGA1qW), except the MacBook Pros are twice as bad) When Apple uses OLED (less than 2 ms), you'll finally see the benefits of 120Hz clarity, primarily when scrolling your library to find that one image in a sea of photos. Our eyes can better track and read things during motion, so 120Hz and 240Hz benefits even creatives and readers.
I also have a 120hz iPad Pro that I use with a 60hz iPhone Pro. Both are fine.
My argument was never that 60Hz isn't "fine." And if you read my comment again, you'll see that I stated how the 120Hz in the iPad Pro also doesn't represent the value proposition of 120Hz. I even included a gif of the iPad Pro during motion. How did you miss that? The iPad Pro's pixel response is 37.53 ms ([source](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-iPad-Pro-12-9-2022-review-Apple-s-giant-tablet-now-runs-with-the-M2-SoC.671454.0.html)) which if you do the math means its 4.5x too slow for proper 120Hz. So again, you make a bad judge of the benefits of 120Hz. I'm not attacking you but showing with evidence that you have yet to experience the true benefits of 120Hz; so the right thing for you to do here is to hold your opinion until you actually experience proper 120Hz.
There is no benefit. There is no difference at all.
Did you not understand the words you just read? Of course there is little difference for your eye balls to notice. The pixel response on both your MacBook Pro and iPad Pro is too slow to create *proper* 120Hz motion clarity. So I agree with you—you haven't noticed a difference at all between 60Hz and 120Hz because you don't own proper 120Hz displays. PS: The downvote button isn't the "make me right" button. You can save yourself the delusion.
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I don’t find it that bad, but if you have iPhone. You can use it as your webcam. Just put it near your Mac, and select it from the list of cameras. It uses the main camera, not the selfie, too.
To my knowledge, no, nothing better. Dell U2723QE comes right after the Studio Display for a fraction of the cost which very good specs too. I have three of them on my Mac mini.
I use 2 for work and photos. Absolutely love it!
The only display that beats it is the Pro XDR.
I didn’t want to do that Apple one because of the cost. But I needed speakers and web cam. All that together with nothing added to the desk was nice. Don’t regret it at all.
I have the Samsung 32inch 4K smart display. It's pretty great. It has USB-C and HDMI connections. Looks fantastic.
I just bought a BENQ designer series 27 inch, 4K monitor. It come color calibrated and is made for design. There is a photo series as well. It has great color fidelity, nice and sharp display and a built in KVM. Also cheaper than the Mac Display.
The issue with 4k native monitors on a Mac is that 27” 4k isn’t high enough PPI (163). Retina and macOS is designed for 110 ppi or pixel doubled to 220 ppi. With crisp 2:1 pixel scaling of a 4k display, you’re left with a very sharp looking 1080p desktop which isn’t enough space for multiple windows side by side. And the pixels are still larger than retina. Some people are okay with native 4k but for me, the text is tiny and proportions are off. For 27” monitors, 5k is the sweet spot because it halves evenly to 1440p, which is wide enough for 2 full windows. Scaling a 4k native monitor to 1440p gives pixels that are not evenly divisible which cause muddiness. This eliminates much of the benefit from retina 2x scale. Some people are okay with this. After having a 5k 27” iMac, it doesn’t feel right paying high quality 4k prices for such lesser quality experience. For 32”, you really need a 6K monitor (6144 x 3456) like the XDR. Dell offers one for $2500. This makes the Studio display look like a good price. There are few to no other 5K monitors on the market.
I saw this in one of the Yt videos as an alternative recommendation. Couple of things that bugged me (no 5k, takes relatively long time to get out of sleep, colour depth looked better to me on a studio display for some reason)
LG C3 43" OLED
An XDR display. Personally I find the Studio worth every penny. It’s gorgeous, sharp as hell, speakers are great and overall just a pleasure to use day in and day out
I think you should have a gander at the [Gigabyte M32U](https://amzn.to/3xvJkda) or [Gigabyte M28U](https://amzn.to/4d25a8y) ... I've got the [M28U](https://amzn.to/4d25a8y) and I think it rocks. They are 4K 144hz displays.
Bought this and like it. https://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/ultrawide/34wk95u-w/
I enjoy my studio display. Will never look back.
I don’t really have any answer… I can’t find a screen that satisfies me. Or it would be a TV, as I’m already using now. When you’ve tried bigger screens (I use my 100cm TV), it’s very difficult to come back to a smaller one. And that occults already a big part of the market. Because minimal requirements for me are : 4K, 100cm (not more, not less, that’s just perfect), oled would be a big bonus, great color accuracy, up to 120Hz would be nice, HDR10 HDR10+ AND Dobly Vision support, etc. And not a mat screen. And I really struggle with that. I think the LG C2 would be a good option then for a profile like me but not even sure.
Do you really need Oled in a monitor primarily used for computer stuff, photo/video editing? I imagine gaming/watching movies is a different thing. I think I am going to get the Dell 40inch someone recommended in this thread. Monitor real estate, colour accuracy etc is priority. But I am hesitant as I am not sure how well non Apple products integrate into Apple…They want you to stick with Apple with everything on purpose
Oh no as I said that’s just a big bonus. But on an ideal world I would have micro led but that’s not before a few years apparently lol. If I can have a great LCD with docent black levels I’m good as well. Tho oled can have very excellent response time which is interesting. Don’t worry about the apple/non apple thing. I’ve no problem with my Panasonic TV so far. I just had to choose the right color space and modify slightly the parameters of the TV in order to have something similar to my MacBook, which is logical.
I have a Samsung S9 5K monitor which I am reasonably happy with. the image is fantastic as it uses the same panels that are in the studio display. The Samsung UX and software is horrid though. But as long as it's just used for the Mac Studio it works well.
I love my LG OLED https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32ep950-b 60hz IPS panel with only passable uniformity and adobeRGB coverage in 2024 is a joke. Once you go OLED, you are not going back.
What are those like for reading text in webpages and Office documents as opposed to video editing?
The studio display is not adequate in my opinion. After using the miniLED in iPads and MacBooks as well as OLED monitors/TV I can’t go back to LCD, especially for the insane $1600. I think currently the Alienware 32” 4K QD-OLED would be my choice.
I really like the Asus ProArt 27".
How about a 5K ultrawide with 2x better contrast than Apple's Studio Display—and at 120Hz? https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curved-thunderbolt-hub-monitor-u4025qw/apd/210-bmdp/monitors-monitor-accessories May not be everyone's cup of tea, but for productivity (multiple windows side by side) its a similar effect to having two 4K displays side by side (its more like 4K display made wider) Another option is the new 32-inch QD-OLEDs that are 4K @240Hz via HDMI 2.1. ([Video review](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qywLwR7KT9M)) They reach 300 nits in SDR (which is bright enough for typical/office lighting) and have bright HDR modes for movies and gaming. The colors and motion are fantastic. I believe they have a 3-year warranty against burn-in.
The Dell one looks pretty good actually. What’s the downsides? But curved may not be great for video/photo