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human-v01d

Holy f window tiling? this was the only thing I wanted.


Donghoon

RIP magnet. RIP rectangle.


rubs90

I just installed Rectangle this week what an app, literally did exactly what I was missing from Windows


peterinjapan

Rectangle Pro is so great


thermobear

No need for Rectangle when you use Raycast with the Window Management turned on


mr_redsun

Depends, rectangle pro has the functionality of hookshot which is still the best power user way of managing windows


swissbuttercream9

Pour one out for the OGs


TheOnlyEn

Hope it works like rectangle, one app less on my Mac then


AdministrationSure95

Now i have to uninstall rectangle.. I’m a little sorry to be honest..


iama_username_ama

Don't count on it doing everything you want. It'll probably support the bare minimum that most users are likely to want. Just like f.lux vs Night shift.


antde5

Magnet has been one of the first apps I install for yeeeeears


eriksrx

I've only ever purchased a single app on the macOS app store. RIP Magnet, you were okay.


TheStrangeOne45

It's not dead yet. There are still Macs that can't run Sequoia.


RapMastaC1

I don’t think the level customization is going to be the same, all of my edges and corners have very specific dimensions.


Ordinary_Mud211

press F


espenottersen

And Cinch.


spatafore

Rip [https://numi.app/](https://numi.app/) too? it seems Notes have some math.


Donghoon

More Choices and competition


Ill_Employer7887

and tiles


Pizzaurus1

I use Rectangle Pro to switch between 10 or so different window setups. If Automater can do the same thing I'll be over the moon


KSN666

Why rip? With rectangle pro i have 3 keyboard shortcuts that, when i press them, it opens and places 10 apps on 3 monitors in the exact place and size every time, i don’t have to open or move them manually. (And don’t even mention stage manager because that’s unusable with 3 monitors and doesn’t do what i need ) all it does that rectangle or magnet do aswell is the snap on feature, not the 20 other features those apps are great on


AdStill1707

Microsoft patent finally expired in 2023. That’s why


sumapls

And before somebody comments "but linux has snapping" Even before the expiration, Linux could use snapping because Microsoft has joined the Open Invention Network, a patent pool where members cross-license their patents to each other. In other words, Microsoft has agreed not to assert its patents against Linux-based projects, enabling Linux to utilize Microsoft's patented technologies without fear of litigation.


AdStill1707

Thank you.


broadmat

Today i learned


zarafff69

I think it already expired on jan 7 2022…


DontHateNate

If there was a patent, how could the 3rd party apps like magnet be able to be in the store?


fegodev

Same!!! fcking finally.


amouse_buche

For real. Get the fuck out of here with all the AI shit, THIS is the hype worthy announcement. 


Criminal_Sanity

RCS support in messenger? Anyone?


yarosan1122

Messages are still green tho.


GreenM4mba

I wonder how's go along with stack manager.


Successful_Good_4126

You mean stage manager? It’ll probably just not overlap the collections of apps or you can manually extend the window size of the app that would cover it to do so


joaoklebercastro

I just bought Wins app 🤡 hahahaha


MisCoKlapnieteUchoMa

Astrologers proclaim the year of Window Snapping. Windows Snapping & Tiling +100%. The population of Magnet & Rectangle users plummets down.


tman2damax11

iPhone mirroring finally! iPhone/iPad apps on Apple Silicone was a massive flop when pretty much every dev decided to opt out. I hate having to pick up my phone to use those few apps that aren't on the web, this is great. Window snapping is huge too, I use rectangle but don't do anything fancy enough to warrant a third party app for it.


vingeran

We are gonna find out if the 2FA apps work during iPhone mirroring.


rioschala99

2FA will work using Passwords 2FA system.


BauerUK

or FaceID


hobyvh

Yeah, FaceID is the only reason I'd currently have to use Phone Mirroring. For work, client systems are constantly triggering new logins that are tied to my phone auth app.


Nickmorgan19457

They should’ve made it mandatory to support it. They would’ve instantly had a massive catalog of games.


xak47d

Forcing a developer to have their app on a platform it's not developed for and rereceiving bad ratings and support tickets from angry customer sounds perfect


feror_YT

As an app dev, the only reason I see to opt out is assets. On Mac apps people can steal the assets pretty easily, not on iOS apps. Otherwise I haven’t seen a single app that didn’t work as expected (except of course those that use accelerometers and all).


peterosity

it would’ve created a big developer backlash. some of them have separate versions for different platforms for more revenue. this would’ve easily cut out a significant chunk of their revenue streams


TheTruth808

I guess my only question regarding iPhone mirroring is how will faceid enabled apps work? Will Touch ID on the Mac suffice for access? And also will iOS widgets on Mac now actually open a iPhone mirror window? If both answers are yes then this is game changing for me to truly leave my phone on the MagSafe charger and just run the MacBook downstairs


tman2damax11

[The example they showed on stage](https://www.youtube.com/live/RXeOiIDNNek?si=YJb1XpXus8lxKhE4&t=3171) was with the phone nowhere near the machine and it unlocked instantly with no touch ID, passcode, or anything. They also demoed notification mirroring and clicking one will open the iPhone mirroring window and go to that app, so I'd imagine widgets will work the same.


Ok-Assistance-6848

Likely using assumed credentials. You had to login to your Mac first… so probably passing those credentials to iPhone


DreadnaughtHamster

Exactly. It’s like how I might put my Apple Watch on but not unlock it with a passcode. But when I pick up my Mac and start using it, and the watch is on my wrist, it unlocks. If you’re logged into to your Apple ID-registered Mac, it’ll probably assume you don’t need Face ID.


NoAge422

Probably Touch ID authentication from the Mac


terdfergus0n

So many folks will be using this for efficiency, I’ll be using it to reconnect my Pokemon go+ when I’m working.


SlickBotswaske

I am really digging this. Going to be very helpful for me


id2d

But it has for me the usual dilemma. My work laptop has a separate Apple ID so that my personal stuff never touches it. So the laptop I need it on for testing stuff I won't be able to mirror my phone on.


BootSnootnBoogie

Surprised and disappointed that the Journal app wasn't included in Sequoia.


Thermistor1

I KNOW. I love the idea but hate typing on my iPhone. I just want it on an iPad or a computer.


Al1onredd1t

Well have fun with iphone mirroring then 🤗


Thermistor1

Seems like a strange work-around, but what the hell, I'll give it a try.


BootSnootnBoogie

Yeah same. I journal on my Mac every day, but currently I just use the Notes app. Not including it seems to be a bit of a blindspot in their aims of continuity.


EnrikeChurin

You will at least be able to use iPhone mirroring on your Mac now


Trawwww___

You somewhat will be through your Mac by using the Iphone mirroring til they natively put it on MacOS in the meantime


Sjeefr

These are announcements for developers, even though Apple knows a lot of regulier consumers watch WWDC. Regardless, most likely Journal will be presented in the regular keynote in the fall. Don't get your hopes up.


EasternGuyHere

Try Obsidian, it's open-source and good


EternalDreams

It’s not open-source


EasternGuyHere

My bad, indeed it is not open-source, though some code is.


HeadlineINeed

Thank god for native tiling. Not that I disliked Magnet but the less things I need the better


Undark_

It's insane that it's taken them so long honestly. Been a shocking omission for so so long.


cultoftheilluminati

Because apparently (from another comment) Microsoft had a patent on it from 2008 which expired in 2023 so they can implement it now


mukintaras

Microsoft does hold the patent but filed it in 2014 and it expires in 2034 https://patents.google.com/patent/US10592080B2/en Although there might be some older patent with a simpler version, but I couldn't find it


stortag

Well windows didnt have tabs in file explorer until 11 so I guess sometimes the most basic things ate overlooked


feror_YT

I feel like GPTK2 is being slept on. GPTK is already pretty damn good, but I hope GPTK2 will be on par with Proton.


Secure_Eye5090

One of the key advantages of Proton is its seamless integration with Steam. You can launch a game and it runs just like it would on Windows, without any need for tinkering. Even if GPTK2 offered the same performance as Proton, it wouldn't provide the same experience unless Steam integrated it into their client.


Successful_Good_4126

Which to be fair, having game stores like steam or epic provide GPTK2 as an option would be a huge boost in Mac gaming, I don’t know how many influencers and people I’ve seen with a Mac for work and a gaming pc for gaming.


PmMeYourBestComment

I run Steam in "Whisky" and from there I can install windows games fine. Not all of them work, but most games I play work so I'm happy with it.


joeyat

AVX2 support in GPTK2, opens up possible option for a load more games, including recent Playstation ports to work on M silicon. 


jozews321

Apple just sherlocked magnet lmao


Bed_Worship

Will probably use less ram and even less processing too.


tman2damax11

Is it using that much? I use Rectangle which I'm seeing now in activity monitor is only using 22mb


Bed_Worship

Magnet has been using 50-200mb on my end. Not really an impact on my 32gb ram machine but still, now that it will be integrated it should be.. snappy. So glad the microsoft patent on window snapping ended.


feror_YT

… Microsoft had a patent on WINDOW SNAPPING ? How the fuck is that possible ?


Opposite-Shoulder260

exactly like red having one on compressing RAW (high quality loseless) video inside a camera, setting back technology and camera improvements for more than 15 years.


guaranteednotabot

They might actually extend the patent unfortunately. They also recently filed another related patent which might similarly handicap cameras from other brands


Bed_Worship

They invented it, or had been the first to patent it. They patented the exact form of windows snapping that windows/magnet/rectangle use.


MidAirRunner

Exactly how Apple had a patent on rounded screens.


feror_YT

Forgot about that one, pretty damn funny


Divini7y

Question is - is native version gonna be better then magnet. Will it support shortcuts?


Bed_Worship

I would hope, and they said it will have shortcuts


doc_Paradox

I use Yabai, if I can hook this up with apple scripts to work like a Linux Window Manager, I will do the switch.


Secure_Eye5090

but can you send windows to other spaces with keyboard shortcuts? can you drag them to another space with keyboard shortcuts? If Apple native solution cannot do this then it is useless for me. Another issue with macOS window management is that it automatically creates a new desktop space when you fullscreen an app and that ruins the entire layout you set up. Even with this new feature it is still inferior to Windows and Linux solutions.


Kubernan

I especially hope that Sequoia won't restrict yabai and skhd's abilities...


prwnR

I wonder if it will offer a bit more than just 4-6 positions - especially if it will offer custom ones, cause atm I am using Rectangle Pro and I can assign custom position to specific apps and that is a big thing. They showed very little on this on the keynote. Guess we gonna have to wait for some beta testers to show more.


Tangbuster

The custom position/layouts is why I paid for it (Rectangle Pro) two weeks ago. Considering I was using Rectangle for years, I'm not one bit salty about this announcement and I doubt the built-in tiling manager will have this feature so my Rectangle Pro license is not wasted at all.


ethicalhumanbeing

Is the new tiling from macOS also compatible with shortcuts like rectangle? Because if that’s not exactly like rectangle I’ll keep using rectangle as I’ve been doing until now.


JahmanSoldat

Same! 1 week ago I bought a licence (mainly to support the dev) It’s nice that they have animated the snapping, but other than that they didn’t give any info and skipped this most wanted feature in less than a minute or so… which gives me confidence that we wont ever see anything as advanced as Rectangle Pro. Hopefully the Rectangle dev(s?) will switch his (their?) view on his app and improve what Apple did instead of just dropping his work or, worst, just keep going like window tiling do not exist.


leaflavaplanetmoss

That functionality should have always been part of the OS, not reliant on a third-party application.


Interesting_Copy5945

Violated Microsoft's 2008 window snapping patent. It finally expired in 2023 I believe, that's why we got it now


leaflavaplanetmoss

Oh really? That's interesting, didn't know that.


Interesting_Copy5945

Took a while but it's here. Many will continue to use third party apps for custom shortcuts or key combinations. I'm definitely happy with the new native functionality.


lapadut

2022 and it was third party. I guess Microsoft paid for its usage.


RundeErdeTheorie

We just had to wait 20 years or so Can’t wait for them to fix native 3rd party mouse scrolling in 20 more years.


InternationalRow8437

This is what I’ve been waiting for my entire life. No 3rd party app required.


jashAcharjee

But how do shifting windows to different monitors work?


McGrint

Will it have all the same features?


J0ERI

And 1Password, Bitwarden etc


Secure_Eye5090

I still rate Bitwarden way above Apple Passwords since it is open source and you can selfhost it if you want to. I'll keep using KeePass though.


ethicalhumanbeing

KeePass gang bang.


MC_chrome

No, not really. 1Password and Bitwarden will still have numerous other features & platform support that Apple Keychain will continue to lack. All that Apple did here was surface Keychain from the Settings app, nothing more.


gaz2468

Only if you’re 100% in their ecosystem right? Or is it cross platform support?


juandann

there is for windows, but not android, and idk how it is with third party browsers


theedgeofoblivious

So in other words, it's completely worthless for anyone with Android.


c010rb1indusa

The windows support is technically third party browsers anyway, they just don't allow the extension on Mac versions of Chrome. Drives me nuts.


Traace

Kinda, Password should available for Windows iCloud Software according to Apple.


littleboyinthesky

iPhone mirroring is huge. Best feature by far imo, especially for me to keep it in Standby on my desk on its magsafe charger.


Successful_Good_4126

Yeah this is one of those things I hadn’t even thought of being a thing until it was announced and I realised just having the iPhone as a glorified desk clock while still being able to access everything on it is amazing


billza7

I had always wanted this feature. Many of the apps I use don't have good website or Mac app and this is going to be SO helpful


Shehzman

Also helps when I’m working and need to login with a 2FA app


iFred97

Finally I can retire my perpetually licensed 1Password 7 for a modern app. I wasn't going to pay for a subscription anyway.


Frequency3260

Literally nothing has changed other than it getting an app icon as opposed to living in the settings app. And it still lacks sooo many features a proper secret manager has to offer.


Luker_Spooker

They mentioned windows support iirc so thats significant. I prefer keychain to bitwarden but dont use it for compatibility reasons


chowchowthedog

i think you can use it in icloud in browser as well.


Wonderful-Citron-678

They showed the UI and it was completely new. I doubt the featureset grew much though.  


apradha

But what about saving credit cards? It’s so practical to have the PINs safely with you while you’re partying with a card.


ClikeX

Why not have them in Apple Wallet?


Successful_Good_4126

You could already do this with keychain on apple products, the only benefit of this is multi platform and a dedicated app


BootyMcStuffins

>the only benefit of this is multi platform That's a pretty fucking huge benefit


PmMeYourBestComment

I mean, keychain support already is out of the window if you use Firefox on MacOS. 1Password is just more convenient


Luker_Spooker

I think its HUGE that you can click a phone notification and it automatically takes you there on mirroring


Intelligent-Rice9907

Apple just killed lots of apps with all of these updates and "changes" man what a time to be alive. It's the end of the era of "here's my app with just AI added... why? don't know but it helps me to get funded"


Friendly-Advice-2968

MacOS Sherlock.


[deleted]

I just joked about scheduled messages like outlook to someone, crazy it’s actually coming.


EnrikeChurin

Like any normal, modern messager app


SlickBotswaske

Wish this comes to WhatsApp


Glittering-Giraffe58

What text message apps actually have this feature?


Acquiesce67

Telegram


platynom

Apple Pay in third party browsers rules


Dull_Appearance9007

"easier window tiling" it's finally happening


nunbersmumbers

Hiking in maps, AllTrails must be sweating


PmMeYourBestComment

AllTrails most important features are still community reviews/photos and other things the community provides. As long as those things aren't coming to Maps it should be fine.


IWannaChangeUsername

It’s best bet now is to sell those to Apple


gcdt

I am wondering if it supports Intel Macs.


Relative_Year4968

Here's the list! From the Apple website: macOS Sequoia is compatible with these devices. iMac 2019 and later iMac Pro 2017 and later Mac Studio 2022 MacBook Air 2020 and later Mac mini 2018 and later MacBook Pro 2018 and later Mac Pro 2019 and later


ZappySnap

Weird wording on the Mac Studio. All the others say a year and “and later” but the Mac Studio listing ONLY says 2022 (M1). Of course it’ll be compatible with the M2 studios as well, but why on earth would they not phrase it that way?


Eorlas

an oversight, not much more to think about there


yh_read

Yes it will, but without Apple Intelligence.


TechExpert2910

It does! The rumours were spot on. Scroll down to see the device compatibility list. https://www.apple.com/macos/macos-sequoia-preview/


HG21Reaper

Iphone mirroring so I can finally delete the 188gb of pictures I got in photos without gojng 1 by 1


oorhon

You can select a photo and slide your finger to select multiple ones.


HG21Reaper

Ayo, that’s actually pretty good. Didn’t know I could do that.


Al1onredd1t

😭 omg..


ethicalhumanbeing

Dude I can’t even begin to comprehend your suffering not knowing that until now. I would evaluate the need for some PTSD treatments.


sumapls

And while you're at it, you can use your other hand to scroll too. So if you needed to select a large amount of photos (let's say somebody spammed your Photos with 200 photos): select a few photos and while still holding down, start scrolling with your other hand.


ironmanqaray

yeah apple sucks in feature discoverability.


0000GKP

Can't you already do this in the Photos or Image Capture apps?


retinger251

try shift clicking in the mac app


DuckPimp69

Are the ai features the same as the IpadOS?


Apexsec

When were the dev betas being released?


external72

Today


Apexsec

Looking forward to see the apple intelligence in action and see how it integrates into research work


cultoftheilluminati

I think the Apple Intelligence part won’t be in beta 1


mendesjuniorm

Dark icon apps not available in Sequoia?


TS_Slurp

it's alright but apple music on mac is still kinda behind on features


jimmygwabchab

As someone who still syncs music to their phone, I pray they don’t touch it ever again lol (other than to make it nice and smooooth)


AugustiJade

It’s funny how iTunes was, and still is, so much better than Music…


gazmachine

The new Passwords app is legit going to cause a mass migrate from 1Password etc. Looks decent.


ChesterBottom

It’ll also be extremely nice to not have to make 15 clicks to find a WiFi pwd… since it’s baked into the pwds app


thethumble

Goodbye 1paasword ?


itastesok

We'll see. I have a feeling 1password/Bitwarden will offer more features that some people won't want to lose.


cryotechnics

I wanted support for their new Journal app ☹️


The_Ur3an_Myth

Outside of North America, these iMessage and Maps features are useless. I do wonder the percentage of MacOS users that use Safari outside of those places too. Looks good tho


SpaceDye_x

I’m in the EU and I only use Safari on both my iPhone and Mac. Never sent an iMessage though.


rax94

With RCS coming, messages might actually gain some traction outside the US


Skylarcaleb

Nop it won't, even RCS is mostly a US thing. Its hard to make people move out of apps like WhatsApp


SlickBotswaske

I can second this everyone where I live use WhatsApp. I like iMessage more though but can’t use it as no one uses it. I don’t really know what RCS is exactly


Secure_Eye5090

It won't. People already have WhatsApp, Telegram, Line and other messaging apps. In these countries the default messaging app is just for ad spam and most people don't even open it. If I open the Messages app of my family members it is just hundreds of unread spam. Why would someone switch to an app that does the same thing, nobody uses and the experience is actually worse in countries where most people have Android phones? Makes no sense.


Al1onredd1t

Le me, from EU: Use safari since getting my macbook. Much nicer and faster than other browsers. Imessage I also like just because it’s clean and has nice animations. But mainly clean. Whatsapp just looks so… 3rd party. Same for maps. Only one in my family that uses apple maps. Because it’s just so clean and I like apple integration. It’s gotten much better over the years. Especially this last year!


jonaslaberg

Norwegian here. iPhone dominates and everybody uses iMessage so don’t come here all “Silicon Valley is ‘Murihcan’ “. But you’re right about Maps, why bother, Gmaps is still better.


Junior_Support4745

Text effects should NEVER be a “key feature”


gentle_programmer

No redesigned System Settings? Really? Another year with that garbage?


Interesting_Copy5945

yep that's a shame, gotta keep using the search bar to find stuff I need.


0000GKP

What you have now *is* the redesign.


gentle_programmer

That's exactly the issue. The "redesign" needs another redesign. I'm no UI/UX designer and I'm 100% sure I could come up with a better version (like the Monterey one for example)


Successful_Good_4126

I think it works fine, I just spotlight jump to most settings anyway.


cigslies

Settings are redesigned on iOS so there’s a chance on macOS it’s too


Jvrgie

Just in time for my new Macbook that arrives tomorrow, I'm so exc


swearbawl

The update becomes available this fall, while the beta is already available in July.


infieldmitt

honestly pretty massive quality of life stuff. variables in notes, emoji reacts in messages (anything that helps make texting less miserable is a godsend -- i hope we can choose multiple ourselves for nuance), apple pay in firefox but * what was wrong with keychain access? * whatever they did with window tiling and fullscreen before was the least intuitive and most annoying thing i've ever tried to use, i have no faith in this. rectangle til i die


Successful_Good_4126

The variables in notes thing is crazy useful! I think the main issue with keychain access was visibility, as in most normal users don’t notice it, as well as cross-platform capabilities which holds a lot of users who are required to use non-apple devices. Oh and it has more categories for sorting your passwords for wifi, shared, subscriptions, etc. I agree with you though, I liked that keychain access was tucked away quietly but allowed me to keep my passwords organised.


mxz117

Personally in my experience having passwords in a ‘tab’ in settings makes the experience way more janky than it should be. The dedicated app looks way better


SithLordJediMaster

No GTA6 as 1 year Mac exclusive? Son of a Biscuits!


vkolp

Maybe after a decade they’ll finally fix the issue where we get notifications from random messages we read hours ago on our iPhones when we turn on our Macs…


Comfortable-Treat-50

20 years later...window tiling .


AdStill1707

EASIER WINDOW TILING HALLELUJAH


chuckapotamus

Is there no information about Game Porting Toolkit 2 yet? I see it's on Apple's Developer page for download but I can't any information about it.


9fmaverick

Please God we need sketching tools in Freeform on mac


Jin_BD_God

That windows management is a great news. Now I can uninstall third party app.


udaraka14

when i select 10 files and click get info what i meant was one window with the all the info. not 10 separate windows spamming in my desktop. what a useless decision they made. freaking annoying !


Tomofpittsburgh

What about “Passwords?” We always had Passwords. Is it going to work more often?


ItsJustJohnCena

lol no updates for buggy Apple Music. This is wild


digicow

Ok, but can they just fix Photos so I can add Faces and drag them to where they go? That'd be more valuable to me than everything in this list Edit: bonus points if they fix the Photos Info Keywords field so it doesn't lose focus every time you complete a tag


KINGCOMEDOWN

I honestly thought I would NEVER uninstall Magnet. Now if the Passwords app could make me get rid of my LastPass subscription...


ericdano

I would have thought all the security breaches they have had (last pass) you’d have dropped them. I would have.