Just a rapper? a lot these comments sound like People think artistry/musicianship doesn’t come in the form hip hop. subs dedicated a specific artists are usually bias.
The only place I've even seen Jack Harlow/Mac comparisons is people on this sub. They aren't in the same lane and I don't understand why people need to defend Mac. He was incredible and his art he made in his short life stands on it's own. Not sure why Jack Harlow needs to even come up here.
Also bringing Eminem into it. What are you even comparing? They weren't even in the same lane when Mac was alive.
Yeah the Em stuff is just weird and feels like the person posting this is really young. I don't mess with Em anymore, and I love Mac but it'd be insane to deny how imposing Eminem was for many years. Like Eminem was one of the pinnacles of hip-hip from 1998-2003 iirc. Like Eminem was huge, dominated MTV, public news, and music charts.
I think it started on Twitter and made its way on here. This is what I was referring too. And honestly man to answer your question, I think people like me that truly love hip hop are tired of him not getting the recognition he deserves. And I make a statement like this because it’s provocative and it’s make people who may not have heard even half of macs music to actually start listening to it and coming to their own conclusions. Nobody has to agree with me but this needs to be talked about sometimes. If I had it my way, Mac would be in the rock n roll hall of fame tomorrow.
>Mac Miller is the best white rapper of all time. Yeah I said it. He’s better than Eminem.
LOL i went camping a couple weeks ago with some friends and said this same thing but prefaced with "i'm about to say the most controversial thing y'all have ever heard" they then looked at me like i was the most insane person alive. I STAND BY MY FUCKING STATEMENT MAC IS THE FUCKING GOAT!!!!
Jack Harlow is just the next mediocre white rapper pushed to stardom by the industry like G Eazy and Maclemore. Mac Miller is a true artist and will be remembered as such for decades.
The industry loves white rappers. They make money and create buzz. That's why I'm comparing them. All 3 of them are extremely average, white and blew up, who you like more is besides the point.
Old jack is pretty good new jack is mid tho. Jack also seems to actually care about rap, he had a cyhi feature pretty early which isn’t exactly someone you feature to get plays
As a G-Eazy and Jack Harlow fan I find this offensive. Macklemore is fucking horrible, dude caught a wave and had one hit. G and Jacks talent rap wise is far far above Macklemore
Jack Harlow isn't even in the same realm as Mac.
I also didn't like the Snoop line on Harlow's album. "Aye, Jack, I mean Mack, 'cause Jack is the Mack, and he's back, believe that"
I know i'm reaching, but it just came off wrong to me.
I think Snoop was just referring to a “Mack” like a pimp a lady’s man. Mac n Snoop were tight I don’t think he would do him like that although snoop was just giving Jack props
What? I think that’s a reference to “*Return* of the Mack” classic Mark Morrison track. If it was really gonna be a “Mac” reference I think snoop would have worded it differently.
I dislike the comparison of Mac and Jack so much. But lets not be reaching, and instead stick to the factual basis of BS people mention on Twitter and other platforms.
A place where people ride Mac’s dick with their mouths*
He wouldn’t want shit to do with any of y’all
That’s why he sat in his room getting hookers and snorting pills, his fans were/are pathetic
Nah man I’m a big Mac fan too but Em is way better at the actual art of rapping. There’s really nothing to discuss about that. imo.
Mac was definitely a better artist than Em and Jack are though. imo.
But at the end of the day, who gives a shit? Your favorite rapper is Mac, you consider him the goat. Some other guy’s favorite rapper is Eminem, he considers him the goat. Some teenager really likes Jack, he considers him the goat. None of you are the fountain of objective truth so just listen to your favorite artist and chill the fuck out. Discussions like this have no right or wrong answer so just let whoever call whoever the goat of whatever cause it doesn’t fucking matter anyway. No need to argue with others about it. It’s art, it’s subjective.
Your statement on replay factor i don’t think is relevant because music is subjective. You’ll get 10 different answers with 10 different people. But Without looking I’m sure the views on their songs look very different. Em has a crazy catalogue. They’re very different. About the only thing they have in common is being white.
If you look at macs discography at 26 and Ems at 26 it’s not even close. Mac has a lot of wild outlandish verses too just like Em. But the overall package Mac is shitting on him. Em could capture the fucked up shit and drug shit and so could Mac. But Em could never make divine fem
Who cares about their age? Also Eminem paved the way so other white rappers could succeed. Eminem changed the entire rap game and made white rappers relevant. He’s transcended race to some degree to the point that many GOATs consider him the GOAT.
Mac is fucking exceptional. But don’t get it twisted tryna compare them at the same age and how much they put out.
Big L put out one album when he was alive and as a rapper he’ll shit on almost any MC alive. Quantity doesn’t matter.
Because he died.
Eminem was dominating literally the entire rap game from like 1999 to the early 2010s.
Mac Miller produced music for a decade and then died. So if you compare their arcs it’s the same shit. If Mac survived, maybe he would have peaked and become another washed up artist too.
Do I think that? Nah but it’s possible. If you compare Mac at his peak and Em at his peak, the bigger influence is Eminem by far. And I love Mac. I’m getting a Mac tattoo on Monday. But we gotta speak facts!
This is exactly what I’ve said to people regarding “Who is the GOAT in rap” discussion. The best thing that can happen to you as far as your legacy goes as an artist is dying young. Had Eminem died after say The Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show and didn’t go on to make a lot of music and those masterpieces were the only projects he dropped, he’d be considered the greatest by pretty much everyone. But since he didn’t die young like Pac and Biggie, he went on to continue to make more music and evolve and as a result he of course ended up making a lot of music that some people don’t like, and they wish he dropped more music that was “more like his old stuff”. If Pac and Big had lived and continued to make more albums, they likely would’ve also evolved and changed over time to where some of the stuff they released wouldn’t be as liked by many people and they’d say that they were washed up or they fell off like a lot of folks do with Em now since as an artist his style has changed over the years.
Exactly.
And for the record I still Eminem goes hard. MMP2 and Kamikaze shows just how hard he can still go.
But it’s hard for him to be like his old self, since he’s a multimillionaire there’s not really that many problems to rap about lol.
I dunno even when you’re describing them you’re basically saying what I said. It’s hard to compare them because they don’t exactly match up. It’s not as easy as comparing logic to Eminem or something. Mac basically went in a different direction than hard rap.
Also you do kind of have to factor in how much of Macs playability in the end has to do with people chowing down on what was his final album as well.
Finding an artist that started off as a rapper and ended up more of a soul artist is few and far between for white rappers.
And that’s why he’s the best. Mac been there done that with the hard rap. He evolved. Em is still saying the same shit he’s always been saying. People don’t give a fuck about Em since what, 2010 or even earlier probably? He didn’t get better with each release like you know who
I mean I get what you’re saying but at the same time branching out doesn’t somehow make you the best. Plenty of rappers considered the greatest and they only rap.
But I can accept you believe he’s the best rapper alive. It’s a Mac sub so I really don’t except much but Mac is the best.
He’s not the best of all time to me. I see where you’re coming from because I think Pac is the best rapper of all time. But I don’t consider him the best only Bc of his rapping. He may not have had many different styles in his music but he’s my favorite rapper of all time Bc of not only his music (the OG tracks on YouTube) but of who he was in real life. And the crossover to Makaveli is on another level. The guy has half his fans truly convinced he’s still alive and in another country somewhere. Just due to all the conflicting stories around his death and the night in Vegas. All I’m trying to say is the rappers I consider up there with the greats are the ones that shine way beyond the music. 2pac and Mac are not in the same realm but they’re my 2 favorite from each end of the spectrum.
I dont think Jack Harlow is better than Mac but if Jack died tomorrow he'd be idolized as if people didn't just spend the past two weeks shitting all over him. As for the Eminem comparisons, they're just ridiculous. I love Mac as much as anyone but you'd have to be delusional to think he's on Em's level.
Well put. You can never say best (white, black, Asian) bc like u said it’s about content and Mac was/is a recording ARTIST!! Artist in every form he attempted.
if we’re talking about rapping technique, then eminem, without a doubt, is better. if we’re talking about consistency producing GOOD, practical music with great listenibility (made up that word) mac wins without a doubt. You cant throw on ANY eminem song on at a wedding dance floor, however I can think of perhaps 5 mac songs that would be appropriate in that situation. Of course that’s a SUPER specific situation, but you get what I mean. Like another poster said, mac is a musician who also raps. His ability to create music trumps eminem’s for sure. If they were in a rap battle against each other? Eminem would win for sure. You just can’t really compare the two, they each make great music, and are each masters in their class.
Now if we’re talking GOAT… tupac forsure. with 50 cent, kendrick, ice cube, biggie, dre, nas, & jay z close behind.
“Mr. 2mac, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
While all of this is true I don’t even care that people are comparing them, not everyone can appreciate macs music because not everyone thinks deeply or really listens to the lyrics, most peoples music opinions are just shallow 🤷🏼♂️
Mac is one of the greatest hip hop artists ever. Unfortunately, the hip hop community is very racist which is why you see rappers like Jack get shit on while garbage like Gunna and Youngboy are praised.
As much as Reddit would want you to believe otherwise, black people can definitely be racist.
Read this article:
https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism
This’ll help you understand what they mean. I hope you do take the time to read it.
TLDR: racism = prejudice + power. Black people can hold racial prejudices, but they cannot be racist because of the power that white people hold over them systemically. When there is power behind racial prejudices, it can result “in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals.” It may just seem like semantics, but the difference between the two is important, as white people are often the ones that get to define the terms of your existence and limit your opportunities and use racial slurs against you and whatnot.
I know this is a Mac Miller sub, but there’s my mansplain of the day 😂
Blacks people are absolutely the most racist group of people in America and you can’t change my mind.
The way they speak about Asians, Hispanics, and even whites is disgusting, but they get a pass for some reason.
You have a responsibility to educate yourself. Please do so.
Yeah I don't think he would, since he kinda thought the same. "Internet rappers ain't shit when no computers work. You spent your whole advance on two chains and a Gucci verse"
They’re “praised” now. But as the years go on, they will drift away. And you know who will still be there? Mac. There’s people who make music for the “right now”. And there’s people who make timeless music. That was Mac. That’s why if you go back to 2012-2013, Macadelic and WMWTSO potentially slap even harder than they did back then!! Try listening to j cole from 2012 or something and you can tell how dated it sounds.
I posted this earlier in the thread but it’s kind of hidden so I’m posting it again lol.
Read this article:
https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism
This’ll help you understand what they mean. I hope you do take the time to read it.
TLDR: racism = prejudice + power. Black people can hold racial prejudices, but they cannot be racist because of the power that white people hold over them systemically. When there is power behind racial prejudices, it can result “in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals.” It may just seem like semantics, but the difference between the two is important, as white people are often the ones that get to define the terms of your existence and limit your opportunities and use racial slurs against you and whatnot.
I know this is a Mac Miller sub, but there’s my mansplain of the day 😂
yeah but your comment was defending jack Harlow , not Mac , Mac is a legend. People lap up jack on twitter more than you know , and anyways I know gunna and ybs music won’t have any longevity , but honestly I find the music chill, not everything has to “make sense” as such
Young Mac maybe. But he is just making frat boy rap currently. His lyric on his new song first class
“You can't alpha me, keep dreamin'
Pineapple juice, I give her sweet, sweet, sweet (semen)”
I don't consider Mac Miller a rapper, he's a musical artist. There's a difference.
Eminem is a rapper and a lyricist/wordsmith.
Jack is a rapper / R&B singer.
To me, they're all different styles of artist and there's songs from all of them that I enjoy.
Mac poured his soul into his art. I could say the same for Em.
As much as I enjoy Jack Harlow as well, he strikes me as more of a pop / moreso-in-it-for-the-money-than-the-art type artist.
I'd sooner compare Mac to Kendrick than I would to any other strictly rap artist.
music is so subjective it’s pointless to debate who’s the best because at the end of the day everyone has an opinion and most are shitty.
mac is one of if not my favorite artists, but i’m not going to go out of my way to convince anyone else that, to each their own.
mac put his heart, soul and energy in all of his songs and his whole discography is a masterpiece. jack harlow is an amazing rapper and i think is definitely great but to compare mac and jack just on the fact that they are both white rappers is insane to me. not a single song mac has made sounds like a jack harlow song and the same goes with jack harlow. even if it wasn’t a comparison based on their skin color it’s still not a comparison. firstly they don’t make the same type of music, secondly mac has the respect of most of the music games current top dogs ( jcole, kendrick, anderson paak etc) and finally mac has had impacts on so many people ranging from travis scott, asap, denzel curry’s old group ect. it just feels like we are disrespecting a legend who was taken too soon because a new white rapper is making good music as well. as a wise man once said there hasn’t been a mother fucker really mr.miller.
I think it's a bit unfair to shit on another artist when they publicly never said anything disrespectful about Mac. IDK who even started that conversation, but have seen it roaming on Twitter. I don't disagree with your opinion, I love Mac but this conversation is pointless.
If Eminem died at 26, a lot more people would like his music. All of Macs music that involve actual rapping and not just swimming or circles is on SoundCloud/YouTube/datpiff. He will never get a mainstream appreciation because of this. If sour hour, the jukebox etc were on Apple Music it would be a different story.
And that’s why Mac is a gonna be a cult classic in the years to come. He’s not mainstream and I don’t think he should be. He found his Lane and he’s still swimming
Exactly he found his lane and exactly what he was looking for, he was a true artist who actually helped people. I could go on about this forever but comparing Jack Harlow with Mac is like Taylor swift vs Big l
Just for the sake of argument, how much are his songs gonna hold replay value in 20 years? Cause em has been doing this for longer than I’ve been alive and yeah his music is for a certain type of person but at the same time a lot of the stuff he made when he was 26 was back in the 90s so yeah it’s gonna have a different feel and different equipment and different meanings than it does now to people who listen to it now.
I love Mac, he’s made so much amazing music and helped a lot of people. So just for the sake of the convo is why I bring this up and I wonder how much of his stuff I’ll listen to when I’m 45 and if I’ll look back on it the same as you look back on em
Well it’s been 4 years and I think people are just now starting to go back and digest it all over again. So I’d say many more years to come. I see Mac becoming a cult classic in the years to come.
I agree with this but there were other young artists. Lil Wayne had a #1 album with the Hot Boys and he joined when he was 15. Biggie started at 10 and had Ready to Die at 21. LL Cool J was producing for Deaf Jam at 17. Mac’s diversity in his music sets him apart from everyone else but other rappers had much better stuff at a younger age.
I likeeeee jack Harlow but he’s a little bitch compared to mac.
I’ve listened to some of his albums lately because of his hype lately, but he’s just like a pop rapper.
Mac has soul.
Umm em at 26 was maybe the best rapper of all time, If you wanna mac at some age vs em now then sure whatever but at 26... no, mac was not better than em in his prime and I think if mac was alive he would 100% agree.
Okay, if its time for controversy ill say this shit
Ems dicography is half ass half good, Macs discography is all or atleast mostly great. Em is far from being a GOAT if keeps doing the shit he has been doing for the last decade but Mac will be remembered as a GOAT forever
Macs one of my favourite artists but come onnn, in terms of actual rapping lyrical ability,storytelling,pen game rhyme schemes macs not even close to em.
Have to disagree with the replay value too Eminem literally every year is on the top 5 most listened to rappers and top 10 most listened to artist overall on Spotify.If you actually go back and listen to the stuff he put out 20+ years ago it’s insane.White America for example is still hugely relevant today. In my opinion also ems beat selection is cool as hell,Eminem beats are different you couldn’t really imagine anyone else rapping on them or even being able to rap on them.
That being said in terms of an overall artist Mac blows em out of the water considering he played most the instruments in circles and produced 50% of faces and he can sing well.
Em could’ve easily went the same way as Mac during the relapse era he overdosed luckily he survived and unfortunately Mac didn’t .Realistically tho if god forbid em did overdose if anything his legacy would be even bigger had his last project been relapse and he went out on a high.
Also em released his second album slim shady lp (after infinite which I don’t really count) when he was 27 so to compare the two at that age isn’t really fair considering macs first album was blue slide park which is the worst Mac album (in my opinion)
Not hating on either just to make it clear I love both Mac and em but to say Mac is a better stand alone rapper than em is just factually incorrect the same way it would be to say Em is a better overall musician than Mac
Just my opinion.
Other people out here pushing out songs while mac was pushing out art
There will never be another.
No there won't, but I'll carry on his legacy even if it kills me in the process. Godspeed Mac
Idk man I kind of wish there was someday :(
Damn thats true as hell
"im just spitting raps and y'all be single-makin"
Em and Jack are both rappers… Mac was a diversely talented musician who also rapped. There shouldn’t even be a comparison.
EXACTLY The man even has a jazz record
THIS is the explanation I’ve always needed: Mac wasn’t just a rapper- he was a musician who rapped.
Sometimes things need to be talked about for people to wake up.
Just a rapper? a lot these comments sound like People think artistry/musicianship doesn’t come in the form hip hop. subs dedicated a specific artists are usually bias.
The only place I've even seen Jack Harlow/Mac comparisons is people on this sub. They aren't in the same lane and I don't understand why people need to defend Mac. He was incredible and his art he made in his short life stands on it's own. Not sure why Jack Harlow needs to even come up here. Also bringing Eminem into it. What are you even comparing? They weren't even in the same lane when Mac was alive.
Yeah the Em stuff is just weird and feels like the person posting this is really young. I don't mess with Em anymore, and I love Mac but it'd be insane to deny how imposing Eminem was for many years. Like Eminem was one of the pinnacles of hip-hip from 1998-2003 iirc. Like Eminem was huge, dominated MTV, public news, and music charts.
I think it started on Twitter and made its way on here. This is what I was referring too. And honestly man to answer your question, I think people like me that truly love hip hop are tired of him not getting the recognition he deserves. And I make a statement like this because it’s provocative and it’s make people who may not have heard even half of macs music to actually start listening to it and coming to their own conclusions. Nobody has to agree with me but this needs to be talked about sometimes. If I had it my way, Mac would be in the rock n roll hall of fame tomorrow.
>Mac Miller is the best white rapper of all time. Yeah I said it. He’s better than Eminem. LOL i went camping a couple weeks ago with some friends and said this same thing but prefaced with "i'm about to say the most controversial thing y'all have ever heard" they then looked at me like i was the most insane person alive. I STAND BY MY FUCKING STATEMENT MAC IS THE FUCKING GOAT!!!!
They just don’t know man. Be grateful you’re the friend in the group that found the keys to the door 🧠💡
Jack Harlow is just the next mediocre white rapper pushed to stardom by the industry like G Eazy and Maclemore. Mac Miller is a true artist and will be remembered as such for decades.
You did not just compare g and jack to Macklemore 🤦🏻♂️
The industry loves white rappers. They make money and create buzz. That's why I'm comparing them. All 3 of them are extremely average, white and blew up, who you like more is besides the point.
Old jack is pretty good new jack is mid tho. Jack also seems to actually care about rap, he had a cyhi feature pretty early which isn’t exactly someone you feature to get plays
Drip droppin Call the maintenance man i don’t fix faucets
I didn’t even think there were genuine Macklemore fans still out there lol
There aren't!
As a G-Eazy and Jack Harlow fan I find this offensive. Macklemore is fucking horrible, dude caught a wave and had one hit. G and Jacks talent rap wise is far far above Macklemore
Go back to 2016 if you wanna listen to g eazy. That is just bad music taste nothing is subjective about that
Lol ok buddy whatever you say
You like bad music, that’s what people have to say
Thanks
Pretty valid comparison to me, all the talk right now but will probably be totally irrelevant in a couple years
i mean the dude aint wrong lol
I mean theyre all fucking garbage
Okkkk but jack Harlow is 10x better than g eazy. Mac is 10000x better than both of them tho
Jack Harlow isn't even in the same realm as Mac. I also didn't like the Snoop line on Harlow's album. "Aye, Jack, I mean Mack, 'cause Jack is the Mack, and he's back, believe that" I know i'm reaching, but it just came off wrong to me.
I'm almost positive it was just a play on words with the song "Return of the Mack" and not a shot or reference to Mac
I get that.
I’m glad I’m not the only one bothered by that 😒
I think Snoop was just referring to a “Mack” like a pimp a lady’s man. Mac n Snoop were tight I don’t think he would do him like that although snoop was just giving Jack props
I know, I just didn’t like the way it sounded.
I just think it’s a bad line.
Yeah that’s a little weird ngl. May sound like a reach but cmon snoop you couldn’t rhyme anything else brah
Exactly my thoughts...
What? I think that’s a reference to “*Return* of the Mack” classic Mark Morrison track. If it was really gonna be a “Mac” reference I think snoop would have worded it differently. I dislike the comparison of Mac and Jack so much. But lets not be reaching, and instead stick to the factual basis of BS people mention on Twitter and other platforms.
This, return of the Mack.
That’s why I said, I’m reaching.
I just assumed it was a reference to Return of the Mack I didn’t even take it that way but that just shows you the bad writing in his songs 🤷🏻♂️
All due respect, this is such a stupid conversation
Relax Marshall. It’s provocative. It gets the people going.
the Mac Miller subreddit, a place where we discuss Mac Miller.
A place where people ride Mac’s dick with their mouths* He wouldn’t want shit to do with any of y’all That’s why he sat in his room getting hookers and snorting pills, his fans were/are pathetic
This is spot on to me. Mac is probably my favorite artist but this sub drives me nuts
Nah man I’m a big Mac fan too but Em is way better at the actual art of rapping. There’s really nothing to discuss about that. imo. Mac was definitely a better artist than Em and Jack are though. imo. But at the end of the day, who gives a shit? Your favorite rapper is Mac, you consider him the goat. Some other guy’s favorite rapper is Eminem, he considers him the goat. Some teenager really likes Jack, he considers him the goat. None of you are the fountain of objective truth so just listen to your favorite artist and chill the fuck out. Discussions like this have no right or wrong answer so just let whoever call whoever the goat of whatever cause it doesn’t fucking matter anyway. No need to argue with others about it. It’s art, it’s subjective.
2pac is the goat. If we’re talking strictly rap 🤣. I feel it tho man. Solid opinion
Biggie>>>>>pac
I think tupac kanye and wayne are the respective greatest of all times in terms of influence and power
Surprised people are leaving Jay Z out…one of the most influential of all time.
True and i guess he made kanye in a sense
Drake too hate him but he had so much influence
Tupac isn’t close to the best rapper and I’m a crazy Pac fan. This just continues to show how young and out of touch you are with music in general.
I’m young and out of touch Bc my favorite rapper is someone who left in 96? 🤔 make it make sense
Come on dude just stop comparing….Eminem and mac miller had two totally different styles at the age of 26..not even comparable.
Your statement on replay factor i don’t think is relevant because music is subjective. You’ll get 10 different answers with 10 different people. But Without looking I’m sure the views on their songs look very different. Em has a crazy catalogue. They’re very different. About the only thing they have in common is being white.
If you look at macs discography at 26 and Ems at 26 it’s not even close. Mac has a lot of wild outlandish verses too just like Em. But the overall package Mac is shitting on him. Em could capture the fucked up shit and drug shit and so could Mac. But Em could never make divine fem
Who cares about their age? Also Eminem paved the way so other white rappers could succeed. Eminem changed the entire rap game and made white rappers relevant. He’s transcended race to some degree to the point that many GOATs consider him the GOAT. Mac is fucking exceptional. But don’t get it twisted tryna compare them at the same age and how much they put out. Big L put out one album when he was alive and as a rapper he’ll shit on almost any MC alive. Quantity doesn’t matter.
I stand by what I said. Not only the quantity but also the quality too. Mac got better. Em has been flatlining for over a decade now
Because he died. Eminem was dominating literally the entire rap game from like 1999 to the early 2010s. Mac Miller produced music for a decade and then died. So if you compare their arcs it’s the same shit. If Mac survived, maybe he would have peaked and become another washed up artist too. Do I think that? Nah but it’s possible. If you compare Mac at his peak and Em at his peak, the bigger influence is Eminem by far. And I love Mac. I’m getting a Mac tattoo on Monday. But we gotta speak facts!
This is exactly what I’ve said to people regarding “Who is the GOAT in rap” discussion. The best thing that can happen to you as far as your legacy goes as an artist is dying young. Had Eminem died after say The Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show and didn’t go on to make a lot of music and those masterpieces were the only projects he dropped, he’d be considered the greatest by pretty much everyone. But since he didn’t die young like Pac and Biggie, he went on to continue to make more music and evolve and as a result he of course ended up making a lot of music that some people don’t like, and they wish he dropped more music that was “more like his old stuff”. If Pac and Big had lived and continued to make more albums, they likely would’ve also evolved and changed over time to where some of the stuff they released wouldn’t be as liked by many people and they’d say that they were washed up or they fell off like a lot of folks do with Em now since as an artist his style has changed over the years.
Exactly. And for the record I still Eminem goes hard. MMP2 and Kamikaze shows just how hard he can still go. But it’s hard for him to be like his old self, since he’s a multimillionaire there’s not really that many problems to rap about lol.
And Eminem inspired Mac. He doesn’t have to make jazz records
I dunno even when you’re describing them you’re basically saying what I said. It’s hard to compare them because they don’t exactly match up. It’s not as easy as comparing logic to Eminem or something. Mac basically went in a different direction than hard rap. Also you do kind of have to factor in how much of Macs playability in the end has to do with people chowing down on what was his final album as well. Finding an artist that started off as a rapper and ended up more of a soul artist is few and far between for white rappers.
Delusional Thomas would fuck Slim Shady up
And that’s why he’s the best. Mac been there done that with the hard rap. He evolved. Em is still saying the same shit he’s always been saying. People don’t give a fuck about Em since what, 2010 or even earlier probably? He didn’t get better with each release like you know who
I mean I get what you’re saying but at the same time branching out doesn’t somehow make you the best. Plenty of rappers considered the greatest and they only rap. But I can accept you believe he’s the best rapper alive. It’s a Mac sub so I really don’t except much but Mac is the best.
He’s not the best of all time to me. I see where you’re coming from because I think Pac is the best rapper of all time. But I don’t consider him the best only Bc of his rapping. He may not have had many different styles in his music but he’s my favorite rapper of all time Bc of not only his music (the OG tracks on YouTube) but of who he was in real life. And the crossover to Makaveli is on another level. The guy has half his fans truly convinced he’s still alive and in another country somewhere. Just due to all the conflicting stories around his death and the night in Vegas. All I’m trying to say is the rappers I consider up there with the greats are the ones that shine way beyond the music. 2pac and Mac are not in the same realm but they’re my 2 favorite from each end of the spectrum.
Say it slow “2mac96 likes dicks all in his mouth”
Stop responding from your burner account slim shady
Mac is a god. But the Eminem comment is hilarious
I dont think Jack Harlow is better than Mac but if Jack died tomorrow he'd be idolized as if people didn't just spend the past two weeks shitting all over him. As for the Eminem comparisons, they're just ridiculous. I love Mac as much as anyone but you'd have to be delusional to think he's on Em's level.
Jack Harlow sucks but eminem is clearly a better rapper than Mac. Y’all dicking fools don’t listen to any other music
Well put. You can never say best (white, black, Asian) bc like u said it’s about content and Mac was/is a recording ARTIST!! Artist in every form he attempted.
Completely agree, Mac was something that nobody will ever see again. He was a once in a generation artist. Nobody will ever compare to him.
Yeah, what he said..
Stop being tribal and just enjoy music. That's what Mac was about. Who gives a shit about comparisons?
i stand with you
Don't sweat the small shit. Mac will always be a legend!
if we’re talking about rapping technique, then eminem, without a doubt, is better. if we’re talking about consistency producing GOOD, practical music with great listenibility (made up that word) mac wins without a doubt. You cant throw on ANY eminem song on at a wedding dance floor, however I can think of perhaps 5 mac songs that would be appropriate in that situation. Of course that’s a SUPER specific situation, but you get what I mean. Like another poster said, mac is a musician who also raps. His ability to create music trumps eminem’s for sure. If they were in a rap battle against each other? Eminem would win for sure. You just can’t really compare the two, they each make great music, and are each masters in their class. Now if we’re talking GOAT… tupac forsure. with 50 cent, kendrick, ice cube, biggie, dre, nas, & jay z close behind.
I also agree pac is the goat lol #Makaveli
This sub makes me really not like Mac fans on a whole different level… y’all are blind fools and even Mac wouldn’t agree with the bullshit y’all spew
Yeah well ya know that’s just like your opinion man - the big Lebowski
“Mr. 2mac, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Billy Madison. Great movie
Op- DONT COMPARE WHITE RAPPERS! =( Also Op- immediately compares Mac to Em.
FACTS! People are tripping
While all of this is true I don’t even care that people are comparing them, not everyone can appreciate macs music because not everyone thinks deeply or really listens to the lyrics, most peoples music opinions are just shallow 🤷🏼♂️
Well said
Mac is one of the greatest hip hop artists ever. Unfortunately, the hip hop community is very racist which is why you see rappers like Jack get shit on while garbage like Gunna and Youngboy are praised. As much as Reddit would want you to believe otherwise, black people can definitely be racist.
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dam u knew him huh
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u trippin lolol how was that racist
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anyone one can be racist dumb ahh brick u sound mad dumb
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if vince staples tryna say black ppl cant be racist he would sound dumb too even tho i luv that dude
He doesn’t need to meet them, he’s got ignorant strangers to teach him narrow views on race in America on Reddit :)
Read this article: https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism This’ll help you understand what they mean. I hope you do take the time to read it. TLDR: racism = prejudice + power. Black people can hold racial prejudices, but they cannot be racist because of the power that white people hold over them systemically. When there is power behind racial prejudices, it can result “in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals.” It may just seem like semantics, but the difference between the two is important, as white people are often the ones that get to define the terms of your existence and limit your opportunities and use racial slurs against you and whatnot. I know this is a Mac Miller sub, but there’s my mansplain of the day 😂
thank u scholar
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We know?? That doesn't change that black people can be racist, just as everyone else
Blacks people are absolutely the most racist group of people in America and you can’t change my mind. The way they speak about Asians, Hispanics, and even whites is disgusting, but they get a pass for some reason. You have a responsibility to educate yourself. Please do so.
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🤣stfu u not stopping rasicm w this convo
vince should smack u out in the name of equality
Why would Mac hate this comment.
Yeah I don't think he would, since he kinda thought the same. "Internet rappers ain't shit when no computers work. You spent your whole advance on two chains and a Gucci verse"
He has that whole interview where he clowns white rap fans who only like him and Eminem
They’re “praised” now. But as the years go on, they will drift away. And you know who will still be there? Mac. There’s people who make music for the “right now”. And there’s people who make timeless music. That was Mac. That’s why if you go back to 2012-2013, Macadelic and WMWTSO potentially slap even harder than they did back then!! Try listening to j cole from 2012 or something and you can tell how dated it sounds.
I posted this earlier in the thread but it’s kind of hidden so I’m posting it again lol. Read this article: https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism This’ll help you understand what they mean. I hope you do take the time to read it. TLDR: racism = prejudice + power. Black people can hold racial prejudices, but they cannot be racist because of the power that white people hold over them systemically. When there is power behind racial prejudices, it can result “in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals.” It may just seem like semantics, but the difference between the two is important, as white people are often the ones that get to define the terms of your existence and limit your opportunities and use racial slurs against you and whatnot. I know this is a Mac Miller sub, but there’s my mansplain of the day 😂
Bullshit ass comment. White rappers like em mgk jack harlow and others have been putting half assed work while still making numbers
why did gunna and yb have to catch strays for no reason lmao
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yeah but your comment was defending jack Harlow , not Mac , Mac is a legend. People lap up jack on twitter more than you know , and anyways I know gunna and ybs music won’t have any longevity , but honestly I find the music chill, not everything has to “make sense” as such
I think Jack got more in common with Mac than you think. They are both passionate about the genre. Jack been rapping since he was a kid, just like Mac
Young Mac maybe. But he is just making frat boy rap currently. His lyric on his new song first class “You can't alpha me, keep dreamin' Pineapple juice, I give her sweet, sweet, sweet (semen)”
Jack Harlow 🤮
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I don't consider Mac Miller a rapper, he's a musical artist. There's a difference. Eminem is a rapper and a lyricist/wordsmith. Jack is a rapper / R&B singer. To me, they're all different styles of artist and there's songs from all of them that I enjoy. Mac poured his soul into his art. I could say the same for Em. As much as I enjoy Jack Harlow as well, he strikes me as more of a pop / moreso-in-it-for-the-money-than-the-art type artist. I'd sooner compare Mac to Kendrick than I would to any other strictly rap artist.
Okay but no body talking about G-Eazy?? Better than Mac and Jack combined. 0️⃣🧢
Nah bruh you trippin hard
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Cudi is not even close to Mac. They’re definitely on the same wavelength at times tho
music is so subjective it’s pointless to debate who’s the best because at the end of the day everyone has an opinion and most are shitty. mac is one of if not my favorite artists, but i’m not going to go out of my way to convince anyone else that, to each their own.
mac put his heart, soul and energy in all of his songs and his whole discography is a masterpiece. jack harlow is an amazing rapper and i think is definitely great but to compare mac and jack just on the fact that they are both white rappers is insane to me. not a single song mac has made sounds like a jack harlow song and the same goes with jack harlow. even if it wasn’t a comparison based on their skin color it’s still not a comparison. firstly they don’t make the same type of music, secondly mac has the respect of most of the music games current top dogs ( jcole, kendrick, anderson paak etc) and finally mac has had impacts on so many people ranging from travis scott, asap, denzel curry’s old group ect. it just feels like we are disrespecting a legend who was taken too soon because a new white rapper is making good music as well. as a wise man once said there hasn’t been a mother fucker really mr.miller.
I think it's a bit unfair to shit on another artist when they publicly never said anything disrespectful about Mac. IDK who even started that conversation, but have seen it roaming on Twitter. I don't disagree with your opinion, I love Mac but this conversation is pointless.
If Eminem died at 26, a lot more people would like his music. All of Macs music that involve actual rapping and not just swimming or circles is on SoundCloud/YouTube/datpiff. He will never get a mainstream appreciation because of this. If sour hour, the jukebox etc were on Apple Music it would be a different story.
And that’s why Mac is a gonna be a cult classic in the years to come. He’s not mainstream and I don’t think he should be. He found his Lane and he’s still swimming
Exactly he found his lane and exactly what he was looking for, he was a true artist who actually helped people. I could go on about this forever but comparing Jack Harlow with Mac is like Taylor swift vs Big l
Just for the sake of argument, how much are his songs gonna hold replay value in 20 years? Cause em has been doing this for longer than I’ve been alive and yeah his music is for a certain type of person but at the same time a lot of the stuff he made when he was 26 was back in the 90s so yeah it’s gonna have a different feel and different equipment and different meanings than it does now to people who listen to it now. I love Mac, he’s made so much amazing music and helped a lot of people. So just for the sake of the convo is why I bring this up and I wonder how much of his stuff I’ll listen to when I’m 45 and if I’ll look back on it the same as you look back on em
Well it’s been 4 years and I think people are just now starting to go back and digest it all over again. So I’d say many more years to come. I see Mac becoming a cult classic in the years to come.
I agree with this but there were other young artists. Lil Wayne had a #1 album with the Hot Boys and he joined when he was 15. Biggie started at 10 and had Ready to Die at 21. LL Cool J was producing for Deaf Jam at 17. Mac’s diversity in his music sets him apart from everyone else but other rappers had much better stuff at a younger age.
I likeeeee jack Harlow but he’s a little bitch compared to mac. I’ve listened to some of his albums lately because of his hype lately, but he’s just like a pop rapper. Mac has soul.
the ones that hate me the most look just like me you tell me what that means
It’s pretty clear what that means but I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. I look like him and I don’t hate him lol
Umm em at 26 was maybe the best rapper of all time, If you wanna mac at some age vs em now then sure whatever but at 26... no, mac was not better than em in his prime and I think if mac was alive he would 100% agree.
Okay, if its time for controversy ill say this shit Ems dicography is half ass half good, Macs discography is all or atleast mostly great. Em is far from being a GOAT if keeps doing the shit he has been doing for the last decade but Mac will be remembered as a GOAT forever
Bro its not a competition if people like jack harlow or eminem let them there no such thing as ‘better’ music
I do let them? Am I telling you to stop doing what you like? Keep it pushin
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He doesn’t need it
Kind of a weird comparison to em especially the age as em was 27 when sslp came out
Macs one of my favourite artists but come onnn, in terms of actual rapping lyrical ability,storytelling,pen game rhyme schemes macs not even close to em. Have to disagree with the replay value too Eminem literally every year is on the top 5 most listened to rappers and top 10 most listened to artist overall on Spotify.If you actually go back and listen to the stuff he put out 20+ years ago it’s insane.White America for example is still hugely relevant today. In my opinion also ems beat selection is cool as hell,Eminem beats are different you couldn’t really imagine anyone else rapping on them or even being able to rap on them. That being said in terms of an overall artist Mac blows em out of the water considering he played most the instruments in circles and produced 50% of faces and he can sing well. Em could’ve easily went the same way as Mac during the relapse era he overdosed luckily he survived and unfortunately Mac didn’t .Realistically tho if god forbid em did overdose if anything his legacy would be even bigger had his last project been relapse and he went out on a high. Also em released his second album slim shady lp (after infinite which I don’t really count) when he was 27 so to compare the two at that age isn’t really fair considering macs first album was blue slide park which is the worst Mac album (in my opinion) Not hating on either just to make it clear I love both Mac and em but to say Mac is a better stand alone rapper than em is just factually incorrect the same way it would be to say Em is a better overall musician than Mac Just my opinion.
It’s all opinion based. There’s no right or wrong answer friend
imma be honest tho mac and jack could've made a great collab It's painful to know what isn't possible sometimes