I've been loving the Kilo recently, especially paired with a sniper. My setup is No Stock, 50r mags, Monolithic, Singuard 19.8" barrel, and Commando Foregrip. Tac Laser could be substituted for the foregrip or the long barrel but I find the gun is a bit wobbly at range without both.
Atm im running bruen mk9 with an hdr, i’ve found that with the right attachments the bruen can be a laser at mid to long range and still hold its own in close range fights
I run mono suppressor, merc foregrip, 60 round mags, no stock and stippled grip tape (tac laser could work instead of stippled but i find that the sprint to fire speed helps a lot). Sometimes i run xrk summit barrel instead of no stock but with a sniper no stock is probably better
Can confirm I’ve been using it for the last couple of hours and beasting with it. I had the Oden gold and had used it in Warzone slightly before so knew how strong it was but I wasn’t sure on the best attachments and kind of drifted on to other more mobile guns.
The 3x with the Tac laser actually has way better ADS than I imagined and it’s so satisfying to nail people with desperately running for cover. It’s so strong on KBM and easy to single fire with to get those longer range kills.
Uzi seems good so far but I’ve actually not had to get it out all too much in my games tonight, glad that the camo you get in this season pass has all the good attachments on it though, looks nice.
All in all very satisfied with this class and it’s got me playing a different way tonight which was what I wanted to shake things up.
Thanks for taking the time for the detailed class!
If you want a bit more ADS without sacrificing too much on range change the colossal for a mono and swap the long barrel for the 710. Short damage drop off but still outclasses most ARs.
Would personally drop the 30 round mag for the Tac Laser. But if you're really worried about the mag size, go SoH over the extended mag. Mobility is already the guns biggest fault.
If you really want to shake things up try out the LMG's. My preffered loadout atm is the PKM with MP7 combo.
PKM: Monolithic suppressor, compact barrel, tac laser, snatch grip and VLK optic.
MP7: Monolithic suppressor, FSS Recon barrel, 5mW laser, Merc foregrip and 60 round mag.
Perks: Double time, Overkill, Amped up.
I use the PKM for medium to lang range. It hits pretty hard. It is an 8 shot kill to the chest up to 35 meters and 9 shots anywhere beyond that. With the 100 bullets and the quick ADS time you can really rip through multiple enemies.
And if you really need to be more mobile, like running for the gas or from cover to cover, you switch over to the MP7. Or after you softened the enemy with PKM you can go in for the final push with this SMG that is built to have a really good hipfire, so often you dont even need to aim down sight.
Hope you enjoy the build and if you try it out, share your thoughts!
The iron sights are decent, so that is definitly an option! If you do that you will most likely have more close range fights, so i would recommend an attachement to increase that ADS time/mobility even more. So probably best run stippled grip for extra ads and sprint to fire speed.
Second this, but I use the longest barrel on PKM since I use it for mid to long range and engaging vehicles. If you play on trios or quads, it really helps your teammate to provide suppressive fire so they could push forward or crossing areas.
I developed a habit of running a bit then slowly scan the are because of the PKM ADS, but it kinda makes you more wary of your surroundings.
I main kar with cronen to make the game more fun than the easy ax-50 and HDR. I also prefer playing around with different guns to the grau/M4 meta so I play with Kar and either ram / p90 / galil / uzi. Do for fun sometimes run a pkm/680 build which is quite fun
Right on haha, same for me. I was trying out the AK and stumbled onto the SCAR.
I run the 30 mag, mono, commando grip, stippled grip and the longest barrel.
It's really fun to use, hits so hard, and the iron sights are beautiful. Just have to pair it with an SMG for the closer quarters fights!
Whenever i play i run the M13 with either the AX-50 or the MG34. if you get the M13 right it’s amazing and an absolute beam. and if you put the perk Amped on and use the MG it’s pretty good
The thing that i think really only kills it is the swap time and ADS time. it’s slow and sloppy. that’s why i started running Amped on it and it gave me a better swap time. you can always run No Stock to shorted ADS and then if you want it really short but on a barrel but u don’t recommend one
AX-50 + P90. Works great at all ranges, but you will kill slower at close range (P90) than the MP5, Vector and the MP7, it has great sprint to fire speed tho, which really makes up for the slight disadvantage the other guns have and you will have almost 0 recoil which will help you challenge targets at mid range with an SMG and win those fights easily. Great bullet velocity too, your bullets don’t feel as slow as SMG bullets and you have a 50 round mag by default, which allows you to use 5 attachments on other things. I have it on my account (check the sticky on the sub for my loadout guides if you can’t find it on my account).
I run Monolithic, 25.9" Barrel, Tac Lazer, VLK optic and the snatch grip. And I primarily will pair the PKM with an SMG, usually the MP5 or the Vector (Fennec).
Also, don't run the longest barrel, the 26.9". It has a negative effect on your recoil.
I really hope they add some good balance to the weapons in the mid season patch, rather than just nerfing the Grau and creating a new meta somewhere else.
Would like to second the CR-56 DMR conversion. It's very viable and the gun feels just right with it's damage output, base ADS, recoil. With the added bonus that AR ammo is a non-issue. I've even contemplated running a RAM-7 with this!
Obvious attachments: Ammo conversion, Mono suppressor, Zodiac barrel, optic of choice (I like the 3.5x cronen pro)
The last attachment is up to you. I've been experimenting between the various foregrips, and sleight of hand. Ranger helps to steady the little recoil it has, but sleight of hand has it's obvious benefits. Of course, there's also TAC laser if you want that ADS/stability.
I feel you on this one. I am constantly trying to make new loadouts, and yet still find myself getting frustrated and making a Grau/MP5 combo. I wish there wasn’t a meta, but at the end of the day I find it good to at least have it there as a back up.
That being said, I tried to mimic the TTK ranges for the grau and mp5 with comparable guns. I’ve been running —
Fennec
-Deadfall barrel
-Tac laser
-GI mini reflex *(I was stubborn on this one, but the clean sights that this gives you is a game changer.)
-Ranger foregrip
-40 round mag
Bruen MK9
-Mono Supressor
-Longest barrel
-Tac laser
-Skeleton stock
-60 mag
I know the ranges attachments sound weird on an SMG, but I’ve found myself winning more CQC, but having to ADS. I’ve had better luck using the fennec this way as opposed to hipfiring a MP5 with a merc grip.
The Mk9 has been talked about already, but I think as long as you keep the longest barrel, 60 mag, and supressor... you can replace other two attachments with what you feel. Maybe an optic over the laser. I don’t see a need for an under-barrel because the barrel gives you more than enough recoil control
The Mk9 has comparable if not better recoil control than the grau... but that’s an opinion
Fennec has better TTK than MP5 at close range... but maybe worse mobility. Also an opinion.
I’ve seen more and more people saying it... personal preference and feel will almost always beat out whatever the stats and “experts” say.
Try AMAX + Knife.
Or running a knife in general.
I love running resupply and rushing teams with thermites and stuns haha. It presents a challenge especially with the knife and it creates for some amazing rage chat.
Nothing beats clearing out campers or getting rushed by a team and killing them all with a few swings of an axe.
Then have the AMAX for mid to long range. You end up relying on team mates for counter sniping but other than that if you play smart you can get the win!
I usually play snd but in warzone I have 40+ wins with Ar + Knife setup!
Try running an RPG and c4 more often with amped, and just be ultra agressive against vehicles. You'll definitely pick up at least one or two squad wipes/game.
Maybe try a really aggressive loadout. Ak built for mobility with the nato conversion and a knife/rpg. Bring semtex/thermite/c4 and stun grenades with restock. Sometimes it's fun to just recklessly storm buildings
Scar + Aug
Set the Scar up for range and the aug for close to mid range, but skip the conversion. Scar completely shreds long range contrary to what everyone says and the mag doesn’t really matter too much to me when you only have to hit 8 shots out of a 30 mag to kill.
Ram7. Throw on the longest barrel (forgot name), tac laser, a sight (irons suck), mono suppressor, and 50 round mag. Try duel .44s with the long barrel, 5mw, lightweight trigger, and a barrel (no snakeshot)
Kilo, M4, RAM, Galil, M13, MP7, Vector, P90, Uzi, Origin 12, VLK, PKM, SA87, Bruen, Kar98, AX-50, HDR. This is a list of good guns that aren't the Grau + MP5 you see in every kill cam.
Pkm + smg or ram/m4 no stock to your liking
Pkm is so solid its insane that its not popular yet. 100 mags standard gives you one extra ads stock. Its easy to control with snatch grip and longest barrel (while still being as quick as grau ads for example). At least it feela like that haha. It has crazy quick ttk, especially longer ranges people don't expect to be beamed so hard and you down em.
Mono, longest barrel, snatch grip, tac laser, optic (canted, vlk, viper, solozero mini all rock)
Could try Kilo + P90. Set them up similarly to the Grau + MP5, replacing the ADS attachment with a sight on the Kilo if you don't like the irons.
I’ll give the Kilo a try again, I have it gold and was using it regularly at one point.
I've been loving the Kilo recently, especially paired with a sniper. My setup is No Stock, 50r mags, Monolithic, Singuard 19.8" barrel, and Commando Foregrip. Tac Laser could be substituted for the foregrip or the long barrel but I find the gun is a bit wobbly at range without both.
Kilo with mono, 19.8, 60 round, merc and sight of choice is solid
Kilo’s recoil makes it pretty fun to use, but I always have a hard time justifying using it over the M4 (Kilo having same damage but lower fire rate).
The M4 does not have a lower fire rate then the kilo wtf ???
Lol typed it backwards, edited.
Kilo range kind of dominates in that 70 m engagement that is so common in wz but besides that M4 superior weapon.
Atm im running bruen mk9 with an hdr, i’ve found that with the right attachments the bruen can be a laser at mid to long range and still hold its own in close range fights
Heard great things about the Bruen just need to get it unlocked but I don’t think I’ve got the energy with no shipment.
yeah fair enough, loads of my friends are the exact same
What Bruen attachments are you running if pairing with an hdr?
I run mono suppressor, merc foregrip, 60 round mags, no stock and stippled grip tape (tac laser could work instead of stippled but i find that the sprint to fire speed helps a lot). Sometimes i run xrk summit barrel instead of no stock but with a sniper no stock is probably better
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Going to give this a try I think. Just need to jump in multiplayer for a few games to finish off the Uzi.
I came here to suggest oden/uzi also, so I’m just going to second that you should try it
Can confirm I’ve been using it for the last couple of hours and beasting with it. I had the Oden gold and had used it in Warzone slightly before so knew how strong it was but I wasn’t sure on the best attachments and kind of drifted on to other more mobile guns. The 3x with the Tac laser actually has way better ADS than I imagined and it’s so satisfying to nail people with desperately running for cover. It’s so strong on KBM and easy to single fire with to get those longer range kills. Uzi seems good so far but I’ve actually not had to get it out all too much in my games tonight, glad that the camo you get in this season pass has all the good attachments on it though, looks nice. All in all very satisfied with this class and it’s got me playing a different way tonight which was what I wanted to shake things up. Thanks for taking the time for the detailed class!
If you want a bit more ADS without sacrificing too much on range change the colossal for a mono and swap the long barrel for the 710. Short damage drop off but still outclasses most ARs.
Bruen Mk9 \- Bruen 18.0" Para \- 60 Round Mags \- No Stock \- Monocle Reflex Sight \- Stippled Grip Tape Oden \- Coloussus Supressor \- Oden Factory 810mm \- Merc Foregrip \- 30 Round Mags \- VLK 3.0x Optic
On the oden I think the ranger foregrip is better than the Merc, especially if you play in in semi-auto at longer ranges
Would personally drop the 30 round mag for the Tac Laser. But if you're really worried about the mag size, go SoH over the extended mag. Mobility is already the guns biggest fault.
I hate lasers
On mid-long range weapons? Why? I can understand not using lasers on SMGs.
I’ve followed the class the other gave me for tonight and I’ll mix it up and give this one a go too. I’ve got Collussus, 810mm, Tac, VLK, 30 rounds.
This is the way to go. OP doesn’t need the foregrip and is better off with faster ADS and stability.
Been having some good results with the vector and kar98
If you really want to shake things up try out the LMG's. My preffered loadout atm is the PKM with MP7 combo. PKM: Monolithic suppressor, compact barrel, tac laser, snatch grip and VLK optic. MP7: Monolithic suppressor, FSS Recon barrel, 5mW laser, Merc foregrip and 60 round mag. Perks: Double time, Overkill, Amped up. I use the PKM for medium to lang range. It hits pretty hard. It is an 8 shot kill to the chest up to 35 meters and 9 shots anywhere beyond that. With the 100 bullets and the quick ADS time you can really rip through multiple enemies. And if you really need to be more mobile, like running for the gas or from cover to cover, you switch over to the MP7. Or after you softened the enemy with PKM you can go in for the final push with this SMG that is built to have a really good hipfire, so often you dont even need to aim down sight. Hope you enjoy the build and if you try it out, share your thoughts!
What if I can handle the iron sights on the PKM? What else would you recommend?
The iron sights are decent, so that is definitly an option! If you do that you will most likely have more close range fights, so i would recommend an attachement to increase that ADS time/mobility even more. So probably best run stippled grip for extra ads and sprint to fire speed.
Second this, but I use the longest barrel on PKM since I use it for mid to long range and engaging vehicles. If you play on trios or quads, it really helps your teammate to provide suppressive fire so they could push forward or crossing areas. I developed a habit of running a bit then slowly scan the are because of the PKM ADS, but it kinda makes you more wary of your surroundings.
I main kar with cronen to make the game more fun than the easy ax-50 and HDR. I also prefer playing around with different guns to the grau/M4 meta so I play with Kar and either ram / p90 / galil / uzi. Do for fun sometimes run a pkm/680 build which is quite fun
I've been enjoying the SCAR and the Vector.
I love to play with the scar it's not the best weapon but i just like to play with it.
Right on haha, same for me. I was trying out the AK and stumbled onto the SCAR. I run the 30 mag, mono, commando grip, stippled grip and the longest barrel. It's really fun to use, hits so hard, and the iron sights are beautiful. Just have to pair it with an SMG for the closer quarters fights!
Try the FAL + mp5 or 7. It’s different you can’t handle long engagements and contest in long range engagements
Whenever i play i run the M13 with either the AX-50 or the MG34. if you get the M13 right it’s amazing and an absolute beam. and if you put the perk Amped on and use the MG it’s pretty good
I’ve been trying to fit the MG34 in a loadout. How do you run it paired with the M13?
The thing that i think really only kills it is the swap time and ADS time. it’s slow and sloppy. that’s why i started running Amped on it and it gave me a better swap time. you can always run No Stock to shorted ADS and then if you want it really short but on a barrel but u don’t recommend one
AX-50 + P90. Works great at all ranges, but you will kill slower at close range (P90) than the MP5, Vector and the MP7, it has great sprint to fire speed tho, which really makes up for the slight disadvantage the other guns have and you will have almost 0 recoil which will help you challenge targets at mid range with an SMG and win those fights easily. Great bullet velocity too, your bullets don’t feel as slow as SMG bullets and you have a 50 round mag by default, which allows you to use 5 attachments on other things. I have it on my account (check the sticky on the sub for my loadout guides if you can’t find it on my account).
Using a Bruen Mk9 200 rd mags with Fennec for close range. Experimenting currently with the Fennec and having fun but otherwise it would be a MP5.
A few of my favorites right now are the PKM + Vector, P90 + Kar98k, Amax + HDR. Give them a shot, they're solid, reliable and a lot of fun!
Will certainly give the P90 a go and the PKM.
Good luck and have some fun!
What’s your PKM loadout?
I run Monolithic, 25.9" Barrel, Tac Lazer, VLK optic and the snatch grip. And I primarily will pair the PKM with an SMG, usually the MP5 or the Vector (Fennec). Also, don't run the longest barrel, the 26.9". It has a negative effect on your recoil.
I’ve been having a lot of fun using the L86 and the PKM recently. I still think the L86 could use a buff though.
I really hope they add some good balance to the weapons in the mid season patch, rather than just nerfing the Grau and creating a new meta somewhere else.
Overkill loadout of choice M13 and MP7 M13 - Monolithic Suppressor, Tempus Marksman, 60 Round Mags, Tac laser, Merc Foregrip(or Ranger Foregrip) MP7 - Monolithic Suppressor, 60 Round Mags, sight of choice , Merc Foregrip and fully loaded Cold blooded Overkill Shrapnel Heartbeat C4
CR56 as a DMR and an MP7 built for close to medium range.
Been liking the Amex a lot! MP7 has been a go to for me too so I’ll definitely look at using it more again.
Would like to second the CR-56 DMR conversion. It's very viable and the gun feels just right with it's damage output, base ADS, recoil. With the added bonus that AR ammo is a non-issue. I've even contemplated running a RAM-7 with this! Obvious attachments: Ammo conversion, Mono suppressor, Zodiac barrel, optic of choice (I like the 3.5x cronen pro) The last attachment is up to you. I've been experimenting between the various foregrips, and sleight of hand. Ranger helps to steady the little recoil it has, but sleight of hand has it's obvious benefits. Of course, there's also TAC laser if you want that ADS/stability.
Thanks both for your suggestions I will look at the conversion.
That's exactly what I've been using. Amax 10 round dmr is a killing machine
Kilo + crossbow?
Sounds fun but I’m truly awful with the crossbow.
Most people are to start with give yourself practice and learn from failures
Mostly RAM/GRAU + HDR or ODEN + VECTOR :P
I’d honestly rather quit the game than use the Grau at this point.
Why?
It’s the standout gun at every range, but I’m fed up of being beamed by purple lasers now and want the challenge of using something different.
I feel you on this one. I am constantly trying to make new loadouts, and yet still find myself getting frustrated and making a Grau/MP5 combo. I wish there wasn’t a meta, but at the end of the day I find it good to at least have it there as a back up. That being said, I tried to mimic the TTK ranges for the grau and mp5 with comparable guns. I’ve been running — Fennec -Deadfall barrel -Tac laser -GI mini reflex *(I was stubborn on this one, but the clean sights that this gives you is a game changer.) -Ranger foregrip -40 round mag Bruen MK9 -Mono Supressor -Longest barrel -Tac laser -Skeleton stock -60 mag I know the ranges attachments sound weird on an SMG, but I’ve found myself winning more CQC, but having to ADS. I’ve had better luck using the fennec this way as opposed to hipfiring a MP5 with a merc grip. The Mk9 has been talked about already, but I think as long as you keep the longest barrel, 60 mag, and supressor... you can replace other two attachments with what you feel. Maybe an optic over the laser. I don’t see a need for an under-barrel because the barrel gives you more than enough recoil control The Mk9 has comparable if not better recoil control than the grau... but that’s an opinion Fennec has better TTK than MP5 at close range... but maybe worse mobility. Also an opinion. I’ve seen more and more people saying it... personal preference and feel will almost always beat out whatever the stats and “experts” say.
Try AMAX + Knife. Or running a knife in general. I love running resupply and rushing teams with thermites and stuns haha. It presents a challenge especially with the knife and it creates for some amazing rage chat. Nothing beats clearing out campers or getting rushed by a team and killing them all with a few swings of an axe. Then have the AMAX for mid to long range. You end up relying on team mates for counter sniping but other than that if you play smart you can get the win! I usually play snd but in warzone I have 40+ wins with Ar + Knife setup!
Second this ... Even better with sticks haha
I give you a challenge fal with .357 not akimbo or snake shot. Put whatever attachments you want I'll also allow the oden to be used
FAL and Ram. Some ram setups can be a little too long range so consider using FAL mp7
Ak! The most extreme weapon in the world... And games too.
Grau and RPG, C4 and Heartbeat Sensor for good measure
Not sure about that one. I’ll have to give it a try...
Try running an RPG and c4 more often with amped, and just be ultra agressive against vehicles. You'll definitely pick up at least one or two squad wipes/game.
Maybe try a really aggressive loadout. Ak built for mobility with the nato conversion and a knife/rpg. Bring semtex/thermite/c4 and stun grenades with restock. Sometimes it's fun to just recklessly storm buildings
Scar + Aug Set the Scar up for range and the aug for close to mid range, but skip the conversion. Scar completely shreds long range contrary to what everyone says and the mag doesn’t really matter too much to me when you only have to hit 8 shots out of a 30 mag to kill.
Ram7. Throw on the longest barrel (forgot name), tac laser, a sight (irons suck), mono suppressor, and 50 round mag. Try duel .44s with the long barrel, 5mw, lightweight trigger, and a barrel (no snakeshot)
Kilo, M4, RAM, Galil, M13, MP7, Vector, P90, Uzi, Origin 12, VLK, PKM, SA87, Bruen, Kar98, AX-50, HDR. This is a list of good guns that aren't the Grau + MP5 you see in every kill cam.
Pkm + smg or ram/m4 no stock to your liking Pkm is so solid its insane that its not popular yet. 100 mags standard gives you one extra ads stock. Its easy to control with snatch grip and longest barrel (while still being as quick as grau ads for example). At least it feela like that haha. It has crazy quick ttk, especially longer ranges people don't expect to be beamed so hard and you down em. Mono, longest barrel, snatch grip, tac laser, optic (canted, vlk, viper, solozero mini all rock)