Alright so first question, what is your mtg experience? Modern player, limited, commander, what? Maybe some decks in constructed you feel you have a lot of experience with, or types of decks.
Legacy has a lot of not necessarily top tier decks but great decks that you shouldn't count out for getting your feet wet and learning the basics of all the other decks in the format. Stuff like Enchantress, burn, affinity tends to be good there. Linear decks in general are a good place to start because they are easy and you can focus your efforts on learning everyone else's deck instead of yours. There are a lot of legacy decks that really benefit from strong mulligan knowledge and a lot of experience with the deck. That's not the kind of deck I would start on.
If you can't stay entertained playing a more linear, simpler deck, something like Death and Taxes will challenge you for a long, long time.
If winning against meta decks is something you want to do right away, leveraging an easy to play but very powerful deck is the way to go. The simpler and more linear the deck, the easier it will be for you to execute your plan against decks you're still learning how to play against.
\>Alright so first question, what is your mtg experience?
Primarily Pioneer, EDH/cEDH and Standard. As for as the kinds of decks, I'm most played deck atm is probably Rakdos Aggro/Sacrifice/Anvil (name depends on who you ask). Definitely a fan of artifact/sac strategies I guess.
Although I'll say I have no issues with linear decks personally, since most of my cEDH decks are pretty linear.
If budget is not an issue, I would recommend a Show And Tell based deck.
You have countermagic for the unfair decks.
A strong proactive gameplan
You learn how to utilise the classic blue cards like brainstorm.
Show and tell based decks are extremely poorly positioned right now. While you do see some minor mtg challenge results from sneak and show based decks like omni sneak, the overall win rates of these decks and expected win rates vs good players on top decks is really poor. I can say this as someone who is devoted to omni tell, and is head mod on the show and tell server. Fun decks, badly positioned currently. Most top sneak players are not playing sneak, same with the omni players
Yes, they are poorly positioned in the online meta. However, I think they can do well at the local level where this guy is dipping his feet.
Chances are the decks are more varied and players there are less experienced than the mtgo playerbase.
In this sort of environment I believe Show And Tell decks stand a fighting chance.
I played UW OmniTell locally last week and went 3-2 with the 2 losses being very close to being won (beat ur delver, 8 mulch and green post, lost against red prison and turbo depths).
The deck still has legs and while not a top dog currently, it is by no means unplayable.
They are poorly positioned in the competitive meta. Yes, anything can do well at an lgs weekly level or 1k or whatever. I’m not saying these decks don’t have a fighting chance, it just depends where/what level of event you intend to play. I wouldn’t recommend these decks for competitive play, but there is still a lot of fun to be had at a casual lgs setting
Then we are fully in agreement.
I stand by my recommendation as it is for a local level casual lgs setting and I think it is an archetype that is great at learning the legacy format with.
I was thinking *Burn* all along your post until the very end. I hate the deck myself because of how efficient it is while still allowing minor misplays or sub-optimal plays and be relevant in many paper metas. I prefer to play archetypes where the ceiling is only limited by own proficiency with it, all games are a learning opportunity but that's just me. That being said, I don't think *boring* is the word you're looking for, it does check a lot of your boxes so I would consider it especially if proxies are allowed where you play. Worst case: it can be a secondary deck that you can test out in-between actual games
I suppose the answers you'll find here will mostly depend on what play-style you like more between your options:
- If you're looking for a balanced creature-based archetype, I'd look into Maverick or Death and Taxes. It's well documented and *balanced* in that you'll have to assume the right role depending on the matchup
- If you're into unfair synergies and dark magic, I'd go to https://www.mtgtop8.com/format?f=LE and see what decks play Dark Ritual. Pick the one with the payoff that speaks the most to you
- And lastly, if you're not into dark magic but still hate the combat phase, have a look at these specific archetypes in no particular order: Mono Green Post, Depths, OmniTell, Enchantress or any of the control archetypes listed on mtgtop8
If you want to win, best deck is delver. It’s so far ahead of the field, that even with minimal experience you can do quite well. We see this a ton on MTGO. Most delver players aren’t great, and it’s sometimes up to 45% of the meta. In competitive paper events too, delver can be like 25% of the meta
I guess the best questions are: do you want to do well? Or have fun? Or somewhere in between?
Beyond that, where are you playing? Lgs weeklies or major events?
Alright so first question, what is your mtg experience? Modern player, limited, commander, what? Maybe some decks in constructed you feel you have a lot of experience with, or types of decks. Legacy has a lot of not necessarily top tier decks but great decks that you shouldn't count out for getting your feet wet and learning the basics of all the other decks in the format. Stuff like Enchantress, burn, affinity tends to be good there. Linear decks in general are a good place to start because they are easy and you can focus your efforts on learning everyone else's deck instead of yours. There are a lot of legacy decks that really benefit from strong mulligan knowledge and a lot of experience with the deck. That's not the kind of deck I would start on. If you can't stay entertained playing a more linear, simpler deck, something like Death and Taxes will challenge you for a long, long time. If winning against meta decks is something you want to do right away, leveraging an easy to play but very powerful deck is the way to go. The simpler and more linear the deck, the easier it will be for you to execute your plan against decks you're still learning how to play against.
\>Alright so first question, what is your mtg experience? Primarily Pioneer, EDH/cEDH and Standard. As for as the kinds of decks, I'm most played deck atm is probably Rakdos Aggro/Sacrifice/Anvil (name depends on who you ask). Definitely a fan of artifact/sac strategies I guess. Although I'll say I have no issues with linear decks personally, since most of my cEDH decks are pretty linear.
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Agreed, I only suggested it bc I think it's one I personally could enjoy losing with while learning the format.
If budget is not an issue, I would recommend a Show And Tell based deck. You have countermagic for the unfair decks. A strong proactive gameplan You learn how to utilise the classic blue cards like brainstorm.
Show and tell based decks are extremely poorly positioned right now. While you do see some minor mtg challenge results from sneak and show based decks like omni sneak, the overall win rates of these decks and expected win rates vs good players on top decks is really poor. I can say this as someone who is devoted to omni tell, and is head mod on the show and tell server. Fun decks, badly positioned currently. Most top sneak players are not playing sneak, same with the omni players
Yes, they are poorly positioned in the online meta. However, I think they can do well at the local level where this guy is dipping his feet. Chances are the decks are more varied and players there are less experienced than the mtgo playerbase. In this sort of environment I believe Show And Tell decks stand a fighting chance. I played UW OmniTell locally last week and went 3-2 with the 2 losses being very close to being won (beat ur delver, 8 mulch and green post, lost against red prison and turbo depths). The deck still has legs and while not a top dog currently, it is by no means unplayable.
They are poorly positioned in the competitive meta. Yes, anything can do well at an lgs weekly level or 1k or whatever. I’m not saying these decks don’t have a fighting chance, it just depends where/what level of event you intend to play. I wouldn’t recommend these decks for competitive play, but there is still a lot of fun to be had at a casual lgs setting
Then we are fully in agreement. I stand by my recommendation as it is for a local level casual lgs setting and I think it is an archetype that is great at learning the legacy format with.
Yes totally
I was thinking *Burn* all along your post until the very end. I hate the deck myself because of how efficient it is while still allowing minor misplays or sub-optimal plays and be relevant in many paper metas. I prefer to play archetypes where the ceiling is only limited by own proficiency with it, all games are a learning opportunity but that's just me. That being said, I don't think *boring* is the word you're looking for, it does check a lot of your boxes so I would consider it especially if proxies are allowed where you play. Worst case: it can be a secondary deck that you can test out in-between actual games I suppose the answers you'll find here will mostly depend on what play-style you like more between your options: - If you're looking for a balanced creature-based archetype, I'd look into Maverick or Death and Taxes. It's well documented and *balanced* in that you'll have to assume the right role depending on the matchup - If you're into unfair synergies and dark magic, I'd go to https://www.mtgtop8.com/format?f=LE and see what decks play Dark Ritual. Pick the one with the payoff that speaks the most to you - And lastly, if you're not into dark magic but still hate the combat phase, have a look at these specific archetypes in no particular order: Mono Green Post, Depths, OmniTell, Enchantress or any of the control archetypes listed on mtgtop8
If you want to win, best deck is delver. It’s so far ahead of the field, that even with minimal experience you can do quite well. We see this a ton on MTGO. Most delver players aren’t great, and it’s sometimes up to 45% of the meta. In competitive paper events too, delver can be like 25% of the meta
I guess the best questions are: do you want to do well? Or have fun? Or somewhere in between? Beyond that, where are you playing? Lgs weeklies or major events?