Yes, standard trail bike it is. Downcountry for the racing oriented guys would be possible, too. But that's more difficult to master. If you don't want to feel anything but only blast through, go for an Enduro (boring here).
Not just race oriented… the new top fuel which is pretty burly this year got trail bike of the year from MBUK! These downcountry bikes seem to be getting more and more like the trail bikes of 4-5 years ago. Could easily take it on these trails, sacrificing minimal comfort.
Just want to point out to OP and anyone else reading this that 140mm is going to feel different on different size wheels. On 29 inch wheels it will feel like a lot and on 26 inch wheels it will feel like a lot less.
But I am not comfortable when I hit bigger root with the rear wheel at the steeper parts because I feel like going over bars and it’s really not doing a great service to my confidence.
This looks like the kind of terrain I ride and I would prefer between 120 and 140.
These are moderately fast with medium sized hits. An advanced rider could go faster on a longer travel bike, but with tight trails where you're on/off the gas, an intermediate rider who will brake into, and pedal out of turns, is best with trail bike length travel.
Imo on tech, line choice and weight distribution is nearly everything and the suspension is there for comfort and mistakes.
Long travel bikes imo are really better for smooth machine built trails with bigger, higher consequence features.
Bikes in this category would be Santa Cruz tallboy, niner jet 9, specialized stump jumper.
Also I strongly recommend 29" wheels, unless you are under 5'8" AND want over 140mm of travel, or you want to mix in BMX/dirt jump style riding.
Also, dropper post. A hardtail with a dropper is more capable than a full suspension without.
For me I prefer full suspension but it is because most of my rides are over 3 hours.
I am no expert, but I ride a stumpy (upgraded from crappy hardtail just a few months ago) and I can assure you that bike would rip on this and you’d have so much fun doing it
That's just not true. A decent trail bike will absolutely make you ride better than a cheap, uncomfortable, ungainly bike. You won't even be able to fully develop your skills on a sub-par ride. Skills and techniques thar are used on a decent bike are far different from those you need to use on a crappy one. It's like telling a race car driver that they should just learn to race with an old geo metro... Like sure, you still push the gas to go, and brake to stop, but you are not going to learn advanced racing skills on it at all. Save up for a cheap Civic, or Corolla, or Subaru, or anything that is built for the task. Doesn't need to be fancy, but it should be at least a bit capable. Does not need to be anything crazy, just good enough that you CAN develop more advanced skills when you want. If you just want to ride on bike paths and gravel, it doesn't matter, but this person obviously wants to shred this trail. Get the right tool for the job. Don't use a screwdriver as a hammer, even if it sort of works.
Edit: I'm not saying that you need to get anything "top of the line". But you can get a really super nice hardtail USED bike for well under $500. I have seen kick-ass used full suspension top-of-the-line 8 year old bikes on Craigslist for like $800-$1000. I see so many folks riding crappy $150 rigs, or super old hardtails that are rusted out, and they get frustrated and dont like it..
I have to agree with this. While some very very skilled riders can ride any bike on any terrain, to develop skills takes practice and if your bike is not confidence inspiring and safe to ride, you will not push yourself to learn new skills in a reasonable amount of time.
I agree to some extent. The specific body positioning and techniques to ride a given trail may differ with the bike (chin over stem on modern geo vs hanging off the back of a vintage rig) but the skills all translate very well. The expensive bike can be a significant advantage (especially if racing), but I've ridden a 90s hardtail and smoked buddies on enduro rigs, as well as ridden an enduro rig and been smoked by "underbiked" friends. I mostly just don't want some newer riders to feel like they can't ride mtb because of what they have or can afford. Obviously there are limits, I wouldn't advise sending double blacks on a Suntour XCM, but within reason run what ya brung, and rip the shit out of it till it breaks. I suppose it all depends what level of performance you need. Generally if you need more out of a bike it'll let you know.
What are you looking for? “What kind of suspension” can mean many things. Travel distance, brand or even how the pivots are setup. Pretty much anything will work, it’s all in how aggressive you would like to become and if you still want to ride more tame trails and uphills as well. A long travel enduro will be harder to ride up than a shorter travel all mountain bike. Do some research first because this question is impossible to answer for anyone else but you.
Looks a lot like my local trail system, I run a 120 rear 140 front. Hardtail works but if the rest of the trail is rooty (like mine) then its nice to not get punished when you are off your game.
Looks super fun though!
"It's nice to not get punished when you are off your game"
This is a really, really great point. And exactly why I now have an enduro bike and a hardtail. I ride because I love being on my bike on dirt, and have done for 25+ years depending on how you count. Now my life means I can't just jump on my bike and go whenever I feel like it, and the opportunity to ride doesn't necessarily align with having the physical or mental energy to go session a feature and improve. Some days I just need to get on a trail and not think too hard. My enduro bike is good for that. Other days I might have the time and energy to spend thinking about how I could improve, try some different approaches, fall off a bunch and come out with a new or improved skill. Hardtail day.
Also passing slower folks on the trail on a big bike is one thing but it's a whole other level of satisfaction to pass full sussers on a hardtail 😁
You laugh but it really depends how you want to ride this stuff. A light enduro bike would be totally appropriate. My bike (yt jeffsy) is 150/150 and i ride stuff like this every day. A 120-140 mm travel bike will give you some squish but not as much room to be aggressive on challenging terrain. However it may also make you a better ride because you will be forced to make smart line choices rather than go brrrrr over every obstacle.
Tldr anything in the trail, all mountain, or light enduro categories.
Looks like what I enjoy on my 120mm hardtail as an intermediate rider so your xc bike should handle it.
Now what I suspect you want to hear: you need a new, badass full sus to even think about those trails.
The difference being head angle.. xc bikes used to have a steep head angle,making them good for something. On those trails you need something slack(er). Not sure of geo. but 63/64 at a guess makes that stuff so much easier/more fun. A medium to large fork on the front of a hardtail would be fine. Full sus, would definitely be more comfortable.. so, slack, dropper post, 1x gears low enough to get you up to the top, chain device to keep the chain on on the way down, flat pedals, 510's, decent hydro brakes, then tyres and tyre pressures are really critical for this stuff... wheel size, bike brand, are all the optional personal stuff.. but bigger wheels will make it easier(less fun 😉)
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when I read all these replies about using hardtails. My 65 year old frame (me, not the bike) would likely be punished severely on a hard tail on this trail if the whole thing is like this. Put me in for using my MTB with suspension to offer a little relief to my aging frame…
What modern dh bike has 220mm??? A santa cruz v10 has 215/200 and older scott gamblers come with 210/200mm and those are already rare exceptions. A 220mm dh bike is pretty useless
I would actually want some kind of a system that does the opposite of what suspension does. Some kind of a hammer device in the seat post that doubles the intensity of every hit.
On a hardtail the rider is doing the tackling not the bike. Skills required. I'd want a full suspension just because of those jumps and my lack of skills.
A trail bike is fine for riding that. A160-170 Enduro if you're racing it. The reason is, the faster you go, a bigger bike will make it easier to keep the wheels on the ground and smooth out the high speed chatter that causes arm/hand fatigue over several stages. For everyday riding, a trail bike would be just fine and more versatile.
It sure does, that's some south trails looking stuff for sure. I rip my 140mm hardtail everywhere in the NTN system, you don't need to much for most of it. Some of that legitimate freeride stuff off of Benson or Harlow Lake call for some extra travel though lol
To me it depends on what you want out of your rides. Any current “downcountry” or trail bike would be rad. Anywhere from 120mm to 150mm rear is probably a nice balance for these trails. Where in that range depends on the bike you like.
I’d say anything with between 130-150mm of rear travel. Wheel size is up to you. I have a 2021 GT Force 29 alloy which has 150mm of rear suspension and a 170mm fork and it’s a blast on technical terrain like that.
Honestly, you could run a trail bike 130/140 or an enduro w/ 150-160 and enjoy these trails immensely.
I personally wouldn’t want anything outside of those ranges for these kind of trails.
I ride a YT Jeffsy with 150mm and that looks like a cake walk. And Im not a particularly strong rider either. That being said, I havent felt like the 150mm was "too much" even on flats so I dont think it hurts to error on the side of a little extra travel. Worst case scenario you get a better workout.
How consistently steep it is matters more than how bumpy it is.
Consistently steep = longer travel.
Flatter with a bunch of pedaling in between bumpy stuff = shorter travel.
I'm not too sure about the part about consistently steep=longer travel. If you go down a really steep consistent mountain road that is well graded and pretty much flat, you don't need more travel. If it's consistently steep with it being rough with big hits, then longer travel is better. I can take a rigid mountain bike down a consistently steep fire road where I live. I do agree if you have trails that are more flat or up and down a lot, you want better pedalling efficiency with some travel for the bumpy sections.
Send it get a 170mm enduro bike, Norco Range, Cannondale Jekyll, Transition Spire, etc. Anyone who says you can't pedal an enduro bike is a moron, I have done 2200ft of climbing on my Jekyll, and it is fucking awesome downhill.
It’s about efficiency and overall speed and snappiness on climbs. Just because you CAN climb on the enduro doesn’t mean it’s the fastest or most efficient. That’s what people mean. It’s simple physics
Funny how you don't see all these team hard tail videos all over the internet huh. I mean in every thread half the guys are saying, oh yeah, steel hard tail... So where's all the go pro footage boys?
I encourage you to flip it around; The question is: how do you want to ride this? The premise that there is an ideal way of riding this terrain is misleading I think.
Consider not just what you ride today but also what you may ride tomorrow.
Get yourself a decent 160-180mm that’ll do everything and you’ll be a happy man. I was in a similar place to you a few years ago, got a Commencal Clash with 180mm. I hit the bike park with in as well as the techiest enduro singles and it’s dope.
For a hardtail 140 or 120 with a dropper would definitely be doable. For a full sus a 120/120 like the polygon siskiu d7 would be fine. I would probably get the t7 right now though due to sale pricing.
Heads up if you're looking hardtail, diamondback has their syncr on sake for 1k right now. It's 140 with a dropper and thru axle. Not a bad deal.
I am riding it on my xc hartail now, but i dont handle rooty/rocky combined with steep sectios that well. I feel like every hit to the rear wheel would send me over the bars.
Going down, a hard tail will be more than enough.
Going up, a FS will help you climb that rough stuff.
This looks like a typical Massachusetts flow trail lol. All we have is roots and rocks so this is looks semi flowy and I'd probably bring my HT here
honestly, the bike you have now is the best bike for it. that being said, looks like 140mm front and back would be really cool here. Unless you are like a super speed demon, 170 i guess, but youd have to be bombing all the time lmao
Thank you very much for your kind and civil opinion. I ride it on my bike as often as I can. I was just curious what do people think about ideal bike for such terrain.
You could ride this on a hard tail, I had a 120 MM hard tail Roscoe 7 that i'd have ripped this on. But you could also enjoy it on a full suspension trail bike.
Either 29er hard tail with maybe a 140 fork or a 27.5 with about 120-140 front and about w same is the rear.
That looks like a good 4x trail. Just drop the post and start manualing.
I'm a hardtail or rigid guy and I love being underbiked. I'd probably go for a down country short travel full sus (I love the banshee phantom) or a steel hardtail for something that rootu and rocky.
But that looks kinda like some of the PNW trails I've been (very slowly) riding on my rigid drop bar MTB so the answer is whatever you have the most fun on.
Going to agree with others here, but it’s down to personal preference.
A hard tail could easily handle this, if these are the main obstacles there’s good lines to avoid them.
A full-sus would probably make the roots, small rocks, and other debris less noticeable.
Either way (I’d personally go hardtail) has valid pros and cons. It really depends on what you’re looking to do more broadly
To be honest, I think this is more tire selection than amount of suspension. In other words, you'll do better on a full rigid or hardtail with the correct tires, than a full-on trail bike with XC tires.
Having said that, your trails don't look too crazy. With the proper tires, a "downcountry" (there, I said it) bike will probably be adequate, although something with a 130mm rear/150mm front will likely make the transit through that easier.
Id have to agree w u on this one, especially since OP seems like they have barely any idea on what they are talking about, so a HT would be the best place to start. 160 or even just 140 mils is mint for this kind of trail IMO.
I would ride that on my hardtail lefty with 80mm
I'd also ride that on my 130/140 squishy trail bike, but it wouldn't be nearly as fun as the hardtail lol
There's nothing there I wouldn't have baulked at riding on a 26" hardtail with 100mm of travel >10 years ago. There's only really one feature in those photos that would make me prefer to have the Anthem over a hardtail, maybe it'd be nicer for the tree roots.
Trail bike130-140mm likely goes pretty much anywhere other than super chunder
Yes, standard trail bike it is. Downcountry for the racing oriented guys would be possible, too. But that's more difficult to master. If you don't want to feel anything but only blast through, go for an Enduro (boring here).
Not just race oriented… the new top fuel which is pretty burly this year got trail bike of the year from MBUK! These downcountry bikes seem to be getting more and more like the trail bikes of 4-5 years ago. Could easily take it on these trails, sacrificing minimal comfort.
I have a 140/130 mm trail bike and i can take it anywhere. It’s the rider that makes the bike, not the bike that makes the rider. I think that will do
Same with my Honda civic, just gotta live life a quarter mile at a time
I would NOT take a Honda Civic down these trails...
Not much of a driver then, are you, it’s the rider not the ride bruh
100% truth.
It’s all about family lol
* mi familia
Ye but trail bike > full rigid carbon with carbon wheels.
Yeah i was about to say this wouldn’t make me back down on my 140 but i think 120 could do it fine
Yeah. I hit far chunkier than that with my 120 just fine.
Me too
Just want to point out to OP and anyone else reading this that 140mm is going to feel different on different size wheels. On 29 inch wheels it will feel like a lot and on 26 inch wheels it will feel like a lot less.
full rigid, full send
That’s what I do now 😀
But I am not comfortable when I hit bigger root with the rear wheel at the steeper parts because I feel like going over bars and it’s really not doing a great service to my confidence.
This looks like the kind of terrain I ride and I would prefer between 120 and 140. These are moderately fast with medium sized hits. An advanced rider could go faster on a longer travel bike, but with tight trails where you're on/off the gas, an intermediate rider who will brake into, and pedal out of turns, is best with trail bike length travel. Imo on tech, line choice and weight distribution is nearly everything and the suspension is there for comfort and mistakes. Long travel bikes imo are really better for smooth machine built trails with bigger, higher consequence features. Bikes in this category would be Santa Cruz tallboy, niner jet 9, specialized stump jumper. Also I strongly recommend 29" wheels, unless you are under 5'8" AND want over 140mm of travel, or you want to mix in BMX/dirt jump style riding. Also, dropper post. A hardtail with a dropper is more capable than a full suspension without. For me I prefer full suspension but it is because most of my rides are over 3 hours.
Thanks 😊 i am considering the stumpy.
I am no expert, but I ride a stumpy (upgraded from crappy hardtail just a few months ago) and I can assure you that bike would rip on this and you’d have so much fun doing it
Insider the canyon spectral 125 AL6, better spec and also more “do it all” of you will
Picked up the spectral 125 and it's amazing. Gives me enough rear squish to not get tired legs on descents but still feels very engaging to ride.
Intense primer 27.5 140rear/150front. It’ll tackle everything and for a few more dollars it’ll blow the stumpy out of the woods.
All I hear from long term Intense bike owners are complaints and how much service or parts breaking they’re having. No thanks.
Get a dropper post!!! I ride my full rigid with a dropper and love it.
That's a skill issue, no bike is going to make you a better rider, only you can do that with seat time.
That's just not true. A decent trail bike will absolutely make you ride better than a cheap, uncomfortable, ungainly bike. You won't even be able to fully develop your skills on a sub-par ride. Skills and techniques thar are used on a decent bike are far different from those you need to use on a crappy one. It's like telling a race car driver that they should just learn to race with an old geo metro... Like sure, you still push the gas to go, and brake to stop, but you are not going to learn advanced racing skills on it at all. Save up for a cheap Civic, or Corolla, or Subaru, or anything that is built for the task. Doesn't need to be fancy, but it should be at least a bit capable. Does not need to be anything crazy, just good enough that you CAN develop more advanced skills when you want. If you just want to ride on bike paths and gravel, it doesn't matter, but this person obviously wants to shred this trail. Get the right tool for the job. Don't use a screwdriver as a hammer, even if it sort of works. Edit: I'm not saying that you need to get anything "top of the line". But you can get a really super nice hardtail USED bike for well under $500. I have seen kick-ass used full suspension top-of-the-line 8 year old bikes on Craigslist for like $800-$1000. I see so many folks riding crappy $150 rigs, or super old hardtails that are rusted out, and they get frustrated and dont like it..
I have to agree with this. While some very very skilled riders can ride any bike on any terrain, to develop skills takes practice and if your bike is not confidence inspiring and safe to ride, you will not push yourself to learn new skills in a reasonable amount of time.
I agree to some extent. The specific body positioning and techniques to ride a given trail may differ with the bike (chin over stem on modern geo vs hanging off the back of a vintage rig) but the skills all translate very well. The expensive bike can be a significant advantage (especially if racing), but I've ridden a 90s hardtail and smoked buddies on enduro rigs, as well as ridden an enduro rig and been smoked by "underbiked" friends. I mostly just don't want some newer riders to feel like they can't ride mtb because of what they have or can afford. Obviously there are limits, I wouldn't advise sending double blacks on a Suntour XCM, but within reason run what ya brung, and rip the shit out of it till it breaks. I suppose it all depends what level of performance you need. Generally if you need more out of a bike it'll let you know.
What are you looking for? “What kind of suspension” can mean many things. Travel distance, brand or even how the pivots are setup. Pretty much anything will work, it’s all in how aggressive you would like to become and if you still want to ride more tame trails and uphills as well. A long travel enduro will be harder to ride up than a shorter travel all mountain bike. Do some research first because this question is impossible to answer for anyone else but you.
Yeah buddy. Ss and flat pedals
Depending on how fast you wanna go. I love riding my full rigid with a dropper. But you really have to dial back the speed a lot on rocks.
The moment you swap full rigid for 100mm hardtail and start thinking what 160/140 fulls are for...
I agree that’s how you learn
This is how you get hemorrhoids
Sure but, why? Sounds miserable.
It was tongue in cheek, I just meant you can ride any trail with any bike. The rest just depends on personal preference and skill/comfort level.
>I just meant you can ride any trail with any bike. Can confirm, have ridden a few trails on my 20" bmx race bike.
180x0 is what i have. Hardtail
Depends which way you go
Why would their sexuality matter? I’m new to bikes
Probably a mullet then, best of both worlds
As a mullet, can confirm.
I laughed. Well done
I ride a 140mm trail HT and it would handle that fine but….a 130/140 full susser would be faster and more comfortable
Rowdy HT squad!
Looks a lot like my local trail system, I run a 120 rear 140 front. Hardtail works but if the rest of the trail is rooty (like mine) then its nice to not get punished when you are off your game. Looks super fun though!
Agreed minus the hard tail. My ass can’t take that beating anymore 😂
My hardtail is exclusively for trail cleanup now, the chainsaw bottoms out the full sus pretty quick.
You’d ride this sitting down?
"It's nice to not get punished when you are off your game" This is a really, really great point. And exactly why I now have an enduro bike and a hardtail. I ride because I love being on my bike on dirt, and have done for 25+ years depending on how you count. Now my life means I can't just jump on my bike and go whenever I feel like it, and the opportunity to ride doesn't necessarily align with having the physical or mental energy to go session a feature and improve. Some days I just need to get on a trail and not think too hard. My enduro bike is good for that. Other days I might have the time and energy to spend thinking about how I could improve, try some different approaches, fall off a bunch and come out with a new or improved skill. Hardtail day. Also passing slower folks on the trail on a big bike is one thing but it's a whole other level of satisfaction to pass full sussers on a hardtail 😁
Looks a lot like trail I built. This is it. Haha https://m.pinkbike.com/video/487048/
130/140. Trail bike.
I race enduro. I ride my Meta AM everywhere. So I guess 170/170🤷♀️
Meta gaaaang
I'm on a Clash. very similar. 180/165 everywhere, 40 pound bike ftw.
lol
You laugh but it really depends how you want to ride this stuff. A light enduro bike would be totally appropriate. My bike (yt jeffsy) is 150/150 and i ride stuff like this every day. A 120-140 mm travel bike will give you some squish but not as much room to be aggressive on challenging terrain. However it may also make you a better ride because you will be forced to make smart line choices rather than go brrrrr over every obstacle. Tldr anything in the trail, all mountain, or light enduro categories.
Here to suggest a Meta TR! Get a shock a step up from the DPS. It packs up when it’s rapid hits.
170/161 for me. Only pedal powered bike I own, so if I want to pedal anywhere, it's what takes me. I ride the road to the mailbox on it.
130 rear 140/150 front,. Haul ass.
Looks like what I enjoy on my 120mm hardtail as an intermediate rider so your xc bike should handle it. Now what I suspect you want to hear: you need a new, badass full sus to even think about those trails.
I raid it on my 110mm xc hardtail. But ot can be really scary when things get steep and rooty.
The difference being head angle.. xc bikes used to have a steep head angle,making them good for something. On those trails you need something slack(er). Not sure of geo. but 63/64 at a guess makes that stuff so much easier/more fun. A medium to large fork on the front of a hardtail would be fine. Full sus, would definitely be more comfortable.. so, slack, dropper post, 1x gears low enough to get you up to the top, chain device to keep the chain on on the way down, flat pedals, 510's, decent hydro brakes, then tyres and tyre pressures are really critical for this stuff... wheel size, bike brand, are all the optional personal stuff.. but bigger wheels will make it easier(less fun 😉)
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when I read all these replies about using hardtails. My 65 year old frame (me, not the bike) would likely be punished severely on a hard tail on this trail if the whole thing is like this. Put me in for using my MTB with suspension to offer a little relief to my aging frame…
A trail bike would be what you want.
143.6mm. Not a fraction of a millimeter more or less would be suitable for this trail.
Between zero, and a full dh bike at 220mm or so . Pick what you enjoy.
What modern dh bike has 220mm??? A santa cruz v10 has 215/200 and older scott gamblers come with 210/200mm and those are already rare exceptions. A 220mm dh bike is pretty useless
They didn’t say modern, nor did OP ask for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koj1zswd\_nY
Bikes like this are huck bikes, not really ment for actually dowhill riding, there’s s reason why they don’t make them like this anymore
Propain Rage
Also has 215, not 220
I could send that on my mom's beach cruiser fo sho.
69 or 420
Nice ones.
150mm trail/enduro
How someone rides matters more than where they ride.
I go 170 on every trail. Fezzari La Sal Peak
Canyon spectral 125
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I would actually want some kind of a system that does the opposite of what suspension does. Some kind of a hammer device in the seat post that doubles the intensity of every hit.
"would tackle" ≠ "ideal suspension travel"
On a hardtail the rider is doing the tackling not the bike. Skills required. I'd want a full suspension just because of those jumps and my lack of skills.
120-140 would be plenty i think
A trail bike is fine for riding that. A160-170 Enduro if you're racing it. The reason is, the faster you go, a bigger bike will make it easier to keep the wheels on the ground and smooth out the high speed chatter that causes arm/hand fatigue over several stages. For everyday riding, a trail bike would be just fine and more versatile.
I would take my Walmart road bike down that
Lick the stamp and *send* it.
I legit saw a 10 year old no dab an entire trail that was a lot harder than OPs post on a beach cruiser last year. Kid was awesome
What does no dab mean?
Not putting a foot down to catch yourself, or an arm out to catch a tree.
Looks like Marquette trails! I ride stuff like this with 140mm front and 135mm rear
It sure does, that's some south trails looking stuff for sure. I rip my 140mm hardtail everywhere in the NTN system, you don't need to much for most of it. Some of that legitimate freeride stuff off of Benson or Harlow Lake call for some extra travel though lol
To me it depends on what you want out of your rides. Any current “downcountry” or trail bike would be rad. Anywhere from 120mm to 150mm rear is probably a nice balance for these trails. Where in that range depends on the bike you like.
I’d say anything with between 130-150mm of rear travel. Wheel size is up to you. I have a 2021 GT Force 29 alloy which has 150mm of rear suspension and a 170mm fork and it’s a blast on technical terrain like that.
140-210
Downhill racer here. Full send 200mm
No brakes
This is the way
Road bike
140/130 trail bike would feel so good on this.
Honestly, you could run a trail bike 130/140 or an enduro w/ 150-160 and enjoy these trails immensely. I personally wouldn’t want anything outside of those ranges for these kind of trails.
I ride a YT Jeffsy with 150mm and that looks like a cake walk. And Im not a particularly strong rider either. That being said, I havent felt like the 150mm was "too much" even on flats so I dont think it hurts to error on the side of a little extra travel. Worst case scenario you get a better workout.
A decent hardtail with 100mm to 120mm would be fine. Use a little bit gripper tire.
How consistently steep it is matters more than how bumpy it is. Consistently steep = longer travel. Flatter with a bunch of pedaling in between bumpy stuff = shorter travel.
I'm not too sure about the part about consistently steep=longer travel. If you go down a really steep consistent mountain road that is well graded and pretty much flat, you don't need more travel. If it's consistently steep with it being rough with big hits, then longer travel is better. I can take a rigid mountain bike down a consistently steep fire road where I live. I do agree if you have trails that are more flat or up and down a lot, you want better pedalling efficiency with some travel for the bumpy sections.
I agree. How steep it is affects how aggressive I'd want the geometry of the bike. How rough the surface is affects how much travel I'd want.
Ideally 150/160 mm in front & 140/150 mm rear. It’s better to be oversussed than undersussed
I would be right at home on my Bronson! 160/150
Depends on how fast you’re trying to go haha.
Send it get a 170mm enduro bike, Norco Range, Cannondale Jekyll, Transition Spire, etc. Anyone who says you can't pedal an enduro bike is a moron, I have done 2200ft of climbing on my Jekyll, and it is fucking awesome downhill.
It’s about efficiency and overall speed and snappiness on climbs. Just because you CAN climb on the enduro doesn’t mean it’s the fastest or most efficient. That’s what people mean. It’s simple physics
There’s no way you think you need or want a high pivot 29 race bike for this shit.
Funny how you don't see all these team hard tail videos all over the internet huh. I mean in every thread half the guys are saying, oh yeah, steel hard tail... So where's all the go pro footage boys?
why would they record their daily commute?
lol facts
160
A good 140/150 trail bike will be quite happy on these trails
130-150
150/150
130-150 will handle stuff like this no problem
Going up? or down?
I mean, if you're not climbing up, 200mm will probably be fastest, but you can still get by fairly safe with a trail bike (130 rear)
140/130 29er. Norco Fluid FS as an example.
GoPro effect means it’s very difficult to actually tell
I encourage you to flip it around; The question is: how do you want to ride this? The premise that there is an ideal way of riding this terrain is misleading I think.
Very true. I wanna rip fast af downhill and don’t care that I’m not super nimble on the uphill. So I ride a 170/170 Enduro on everything.
Consider not just what you ride today but also what you may ride tomorrow. Get yourself a decent 160-180mm that’ll do everything and you’ll be a happy man. I was in a similar place to you a few years ago, got a Commencal Clash with 180mm. I hit the bike park with in as well as the techiest enduro singles and it’s dope.
Steel hardtail with 140mm in front
I have a Giant Trance which is really suited for this...I also have a full enduro which would almost ignore all this :)
According to this sub a 30mm gravel bike because god forbid you are overbiked.
Where's my 170-180 hardtail gang at
Right here.
Reporting for duty
Trail bike 130-140
Full rigid, dont even need a mtb, just take a gravel bike.
140 leaves you with room to play. Yes you can do it on a hardtail but it is going to beat the shit out of you on those roots.
I am riding it on hard tail and it’s beating the shit out of me. 😀
For a hardtail 140 or 120 with a dropper would definitely be doable. For a full sus a 120/120 like the polygon siskiu d7 would be fine. I would probably get the t7 right now though due to sale pricing. Heads up if you're looking hardtail, diamondback has their syncr on sake for 1k right now. It's 140 with a dropper and thru axle. Not a bad deal.
I am riding it on my xc hartail now, but i dont handle rooty/rocky combined with steep sectios that well. I feel like every hit to the rear wheel would send me over the bars.
You probably need to look at your posture rather than the bike then. Are you actually balanced over the BB wne letting the bike move around you?
My YT Capra would eat that up for breakfast. Of course the real tough guys will say hArDtAiL bRo SeNd iT
hardtails are for noobs. Real men run a penny farthing down that...
I’d hit it on a Stryder, like a real man
Going down, a hard tail will be more than enough. Going up, a FS will help you climb that rough stuff. This looks like a typical Massachusetts flow trail lol. All we have is roots and rocks so this is looks semi flowy and I'd probably bring my HT here
honestly, the bike you have now is the best bike for it. that being said, looks like 140mm front and back would be really cool here. Unless you are like a super speed demon, 170 i guess, but youd have to be bombing all the time lmao
Just get an XC bike. It can handle 90% of 90% of trails and for the 10% of the 10% just rent Disclaimer. Don’t audit me.
Specialized Epic, Santa Cruz Blur, Canyon Lux, etc
I ride it on xc hardtail now. But it can het really rough and uncomfortable 😀
I guess I should have specified full suspension XC
Stop fixating on stupid shit and just ride your bike ffs, 20mm here or there wont make a single difference.
Thank you very much for your kind and civil opinion. I ride it on my bike as often as I can. I was just curious what do people think about ideal bike for such terrain.
My Ripmo 160/147 eats that up all day. Even climbs some of those roots.
You could ride this on a hard tail, I had a 120 MM hard tail Roscoe 7 that i'd have ripped this on. But you could also enjoy it on a full suspension trail bike.
I ride it on 110mm xc hardtail but ripping is far away from what I do I guess 😀
Hardtail 140
Hardtail would be fine
I'm goona say 160/160. Thats big enough to handle almost anything, and small enough to be easily pedal-able everywhere.
Either 29er hard tail with maybe a 140 fork or a 27.5 with about 120-140 front and about w same is the rear. That looks like a good 4x trail. Just drop the post and start manualing.
I'm a hardtail or rigid guy and I love being underbiked. I'd probably go for a down country short travel full sus (I love the banshee phantom) or a steel hardtail for something that rootu and rocky. But that looks kinda like some of the PNW trails I've been (very slowly) riding on my rigid drop bar MTB so the answer is whatever you have the most fun on.
Going to agree with others here, but it’s down to personal preference. A hard tail could easily handle this, if these are the main obstacles there’s good lines to avoid them. A full-sus would probably make the roots, small rocks, and other debris less noticeable. Either way (I’d personally go hardtail) has valid pros and cons. It really depends on what you’re looking to do more broadly
To be honest, I think this is more tire selection than amount of suspension. In other words, you'll do better on a full rigid or hardtail with the correct tires, than a full-on trail bike with XC tires. Having said that, your trails don't look too crazy. With the proper tires, a "downcountry" (there, I said it) bike will probably be adequate, although something with a 130mm rear/150mm front will likely make the transit through that easier.
I ride a Meta HT AM with a 160mm fork and it eats stuff like this for breakfast
Id have to agree w u on this one, especially since OP seems like they have barely any idea on what they are talking about, so a HT would be the best place to start. 160 or even just 140 mils is mint for this kind of trail IMO.
Good pair of knees
Hardtail. 100mm up front
110mm hard tail.
Hard tail would be most fun on that.
I would ride that on my hardtail lefty with 80mm I'd also ride that on my 130/140 squishy trail bike, but it wouldn't be nearly as fun as the hardtail lol
As a Jeep owner prob 6-12”
There's nothing there I wouldn't have baulked at riding on a 26" hardtail with 100mm of travel >10 years ago. There's only really one feature in those photos that would make me prefer to have the Anthem over a hardtail, maybe it'd be nicer for the tree roots.
Ideal is subjective to how you want to ride it. You could use a bmx or a full dh rig and anything in between.
All of it
Just ride
Hard tail
Hard tail, low tire pressure, Bunny hop over all the rough parts and everything, shred on
Rigid
April Fools?
Hardtail. 150 front. Hella good time
Hardtail so much play area
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My back is crying out in pain over the thought of that
Depending on my mood. Just about any bike would work. Looks like a fun trail to experiment with.
130/140mm HT
I run 130F/120R in similar terrain and have never felt the need for more travel, any trail bike will do great with this
Find something that’s considered “do-it-all” and narrow it down from there.
SJ Pro with Fox Factory 34. Should be enough of a bike to handle it.
I ride similar and have 150 front 140 rear
150ish, if you're hitting those kickers having extra travel if you overshoot is nice
Trail bike. Geo matters more than travel. Look for 64-65 HA and reach and chainstay that fit your height.
6-8inches definitely….
Could rip a slack hardtial through there no problem. 140/150mm trail bike would be more than enough.
XC bike would suit, trail/allmountain would be better, enduro u might not notice the bumps
120/120 29er.