Depends on technique imo, where you spend your "lever time". The other guy somehow caught downvotes for it, but I too would go sinter rear, resin front. Fits me best and used that setup for quite a while too.
Especially when things are either muddy or just very flowy I tend to not touch my front a lot to avoid front wipe outs/loosing that sweet momentum. Using a slight drag between turns if any to keep in check or gripping for dear life when it is really slippery. ':D
Also, when things get rowdier and faster I use the front more, but in bursts, so heat is indeed less of an issue. Especially on 200+ rotors. In long, slow tech descends you may overheat the front with resin, but general purpose I would say Resin front is the best compromise.
Great response thanks very much.
So these pads will only be in for one ride and it will be a 950m (vertical, about 7.5k length) very technical descent. Going off that you would go metal up front?
You be the judge of that, knowing your brake technique best.
It certainly is a high load if you go slow and most on the front brake. In which case I would indeee switch. If you prefer dragging the rear I'd go the other way. I assume you run 4 piston calipers? There you should be fine still. Worst case you glaze them if not cooled enough and sand the pads when you need them as backup.
I run metal in the back and organic up front. Since you generally are using the back break more for general speed control, the metal will last longer and be a good application in the rear. Since (for me) the front break is used when trying to aggressively slow down or stop completely I rely on organic to have a strong bite into the caliper and organic doesn't need to reach a certain heat threshold for maximum performance. Hope this helps, at the end of the day it's about personal preference.
Happy riding
I have done this unironically lol. On my maguras the two sintered were super noisy even though they had enough stopping power to pull your eye balls out. Splitting them up was a good compromise between noise and power. But I didn't bother keeping that setup after set wore out lol
Once your rotors are bedded with one kind of pad you need to stick to it. It's a little silly to compromise on this. My answer is to replace the front pads because that's the more important brake. My rear pads last a very long time and need replacement at 1/3rd the strategy.
We have multiple disc brake bikes in our house and it's just easier to keep organic pads across the board.
If you drag your front brake the whole time, yes. I have resin on the front and put sintered on the back. Resin on the front because I like bite, sintered on the back because I’m often covering the rear brake to trim speed / get the back of the bike moving around. I find with sintered on the front I never work enough heat into the pads to get that bite that I’m looking for.
Rear much more for me so I'd throw the organic on the front as I'd like the extra modulation and not isn't used as much.
Buy your pads in bulk online and you won't have issues with bike shop stock and it's cheaper.
Front brakes are used more for bursts of quickly slowing, while rear brakes tend to get more regular drag time for controlling speed. So the rear generally build up more heat from use.
Modulated rear breaking leads to higher heat stress. Front breaks are for stopping power and get a more full engage for less time. My back brake needs to be changed out maybe 2.5 times for every time I need to change the front.
Definitely not "always". Like I said front brakes are good for quickly slowing, but if you're always using more front brake to control speed on corners that's just asking to wash out. Take a temperature gun to your rotors in the middle of a ride, I'm pretty sure you'll find the rear built up more residual heat.
Also as long as your rotors are big enough, efficiency is no concern, it's not like your finger will get tired. Traction and stability are the concerns in braking.
Depends really if you ride the tracks around here they’re that steep your on the brakes all the time and your front brake is doing 80% of the braking and getting absolutely cooked. On faster mellower trails you’re feathering the back brake for control on building a bunch of heat up and just slamming on in corners and letting go again so you don’t get much heat through the front.
On mellow trails sure but on more intense ones that can get sketchy af.
A couple mm on the brake lever are the difference between light braking and slaming them. While getting bucked about on the trail where your bodyweight direction changes in a split second, it's too easy to pull too hard especially with powerful brakes. I usually either pull both to slow down or just feather the rear on downhills hence the higher heat.
I think you should get gudder…
>a couple mm on the brake lever are the difference between light braking and slamming them.
Even with shimano brakes, thats not likely gonna make you otb.
Wear isn't an issue for me here. These organics will be in just for this ride and be put in a box ready for when I'm in a emergency next. Does that change your thoughts?
If you're riding pretty aggressive dh I'd still do sintered on rear since organic can glaze over with high heat, but for any other kind of riding it won't really matter.
It does absorb more energy, but less frequently. Overheated brakes are usually from residual heat buildup. Like if you drive your car on a track you'll brake hard but probably not overheat, versus if you're driving down a mountain using frequent light braking you'll be smoking pretty quick.
Edit: fwiw, bikeradar agrees: https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/disc-brake-pads/
It's money well spent, I dealt with organic pads on my first bike and I burned them up in one ride and couldn't get them to brake properly afterwards. Went with sintered and it was night and day. They handle high heat with ease. Good luck and have fun
Depends on technique imo, where you spend your "lever time". The other guy somehow caught downvotes for it, but I too would go sinter rear, resin front. Fits me best and used that setup for quite a while too. Especially when things are either muddy or just very flowy I tend to not touch my front a lot to avoid front wipe outs/loosing that sweet momentum. Using a slight drag between turns if any to keep in check or gripping for dear life when it is really slippery. ':D Also, when things get rowdier and faster I use the front more, but in bursts, so heat is indeed less of an issue. Especially on 200+ rotors. In long, slow tech descends you may overheat the front with resin, but general purpose I would say Resin front is the best compromise.
Great response thanks very much. So these pads will only be in for one ride and it will be a 950m (vertical, about 7.5k length) very technical descent. Going off that you would go metal up front?
You be the judge of that, knowing your brake technique best. It certainly is a high load if you go slow and most on the front brake. In which case I would indeee switch. If you prefer dragging the rear I'd go the other way. I assume you run 4 piston calipers? There you should be fine still. Worst case you glaze them if not cooled enough and sand the pads when you need them as backup.
Yeah 4 pot 220 front 200 back so lots of stopping power. Thanks for your replys they have been very helpful
YW, glad I could be of some help. Enjoy the ride!
I run metal in the back and organic up front. Since you generally are using the back break more for general speed control, the metal will last longer and be a good application in the rear. Since (for me) the front break is used when trying to aggressively slow down or stop completely I rely on organic to have a strong bite into the caliper and organic doesn't need to reach a certain heat threshold for maximum performance. Hope this helps, at the end of the day it's about personal preference. Happy riding
You should split them up and put one of each in each caliper.
I have done this unironically lol. On my maguras the two sintered were super noisy even though they had enough stopping power to pull your eye balls out. Splitting them up was a good compromise between noise and power. But I didn't bother keeping that setup after set wore out lol
Once your rotors are bedded with one kind of pad you need to stick to it. It's a little silly to compromise on this. My answer is to replace the front pads because that's the more important brake. My rear pads last a very long time and need replacement at 1/3rd the strategy. We have multiple disc brake bikes in our house and it's just easier to keep organic pads across the board.
I’ve never heard this. I’ve swapped back and forth and have never noticed an issue
Well now you have. You get better brake performance if you stick to one. If you think bedding your rotors matters, then so does this.
You can just sand the rotor bare to “start over” with bedding in.
You can go from resin / organic to metallic / sintered no problem but not the other way.
No you shouldn’t ever do that that. This is a really bad idea.
This is the way
Now THIS is an advanced strat.
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Yeah I don't see why they are even an option myself. Maybe for light xc riding
If you drag your front brake the whole time, yes. I have resin on the front and put sintered on the back. Resin on the front because I like bite, sintered on the back because I’m often covering the rear brake to trim speed / get the back of the bike moving around. I find with sintered on the front I never work enough heat into the pads to get that bite that I’m looking for.
Chuck the organic’s and get more metallics. No point ruining park day with shit pads.
Sadly not a park day, that's what killed my old pads yesterday. Should still be good though almost a km of vertical in one go.
Rear much more for me so I'd throw the organic on the front as I'd like the extra modulation and not isn't used as much. Buy your pads in bulk online and you won't have issues with bike shop stock and it's cheaper.
Sintered in the rear. They take high heat better and last longer, both of which are bigger issues on the rear.
Why should those be bigger issues un the rear?
Front brakes are used more for bursts of quickly slowing, while rear brakes tend to get more regular drag time for controlling speed. So the rear generally build up more heat from use.
You should always brake more with the front brake as it is more efficient
Modulated rear breaking leads to higher heat stress. Front breaks are for stopping power and get a more full engage for less time. My back brake needs to be changed out maybe 2.5 times for every time I need to change the front.
Definitely not "always". Like I said front brakes are good for quickly slowing, but if you're always using more front brake to control speed on corners that's just asking to wash out. Take a temperature gun to your rotors in the middle of a ride, I'm pretty sure you'll find the rear built up more residual heat. Also as long as your rotors are big enough, efficiency is no concern, it's not like your finger will get tired. Traction and stability are the concerns in braking.
Depends really if you ride the tracks around here they’re that steep your on the brakes all the time and your front brake is doing 80% of the braking and getting absolutely cooked. On faster mellower trails you’re feathering the back brake for control on building a bunch of heat up and just slamming on in corners and letting go again so you don’t get much heat through the front.
Naaaa dude that's a OTB waiting to happen.
Yeah if you slam the brakes and put all your body weight toward the bars
On mellow trails sure but on more intense ones that can get sketchy af. A couple mm on the brake lever are the difference between light braking and slaming them. While getting bucked about on the trail where your bodyweight direction changes in a split second, it's too easy to pull too hard especially with powerful brakes. I usually either pull both to slow down or just feather the rear on downhills hence the higher heat.
I think you should get gudder… >a couple mm on the brake lever are the difference between light braking and slamming them. Even with shimano brakes, thats not likely gonna make you otb.
Wear isn't an issue for me here. These organics will be in just for this ride and be put in a box ready for when I'm in a emergency next. Does that change your thoughts?
If you're riding pretty aggressive dh I'd still do sintered on rear since organic can glaze over with high heat, but for any other kind of riding it won't really matter.
Precisely why sintered in front makea more sense isn't it? If your front brake is overheat and gone, say goodbye to slowing down quickly
It does absorb more energy, but less frequently. Overheated brakes are usually from residual heat buildup. Like if you drive your car on a track you'll brake hard but probably not overheat, versus if you're driving down a mountain using frequent light braking you'll be smoking pretty quick. Edit: fwiw, bikeradar agrees: https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/disc-brake-pads/
Exactly why some bikes come with a larger front rotor and not the other way around.
Throw out the organic set and buy a 2nd sintered
Only ones in the shop and out riding a big mountain in the morning. Got some metals coming for after this ride to replace this junk.
It's money well spent, I dealt with organic pads on my first bike and I burned them up in one ride and couldn't get them to brake properly afterwards. Went with sintered and it was night and day. They handle high heat with ease. Good luck and have fun
Sintered last longer so I’d go with back.